Yeah I think this will be killer for that kind of work! Indies, music videos, some corporate work would be great on this. I wouldn't be surprised if it was picked up by film school as a low cost learning camera too.

You are absolutely correct. It’s a disservice to view something in the wrong circumstance and then fault its shortcomings. I have a very nice chefs knife at home. It works wonders as a chefs knife. As a pocket knife it’s terrible.

@@half-cockedproductions1350 Well put

Still, with no SDI or HDMI out. How are you going to work with a focus puller, to sit next to you all the time?

@@LTULOfficial it has an SDI out. You run that into your teradek. Then out of the teradek into your monitor. I’m not seeing the issue.

Obviously this camera is not for this guy who is speaking in this video. I know its not a red komodo obviously 13stops but its very cheap. So all in all its fine. Ill take it the pyxies! Ill add it to my blackmagic collections hahaha

Exactly. The Pyxis is $3K and it's Full Frame! Add all the features described in this video and you're back to $6K along with the FX6 and Komodo (which also doesn't have internal ND.)

@@OzReel the issue with people saying it’s designated for productions with lower budgets like indie films. You would still need to add nd filters, possibly a matte box, etc in order to shoot. Those are expensive and it would be cheaper and more efficient to have an internal nd system. Even their lower priced p6k series has this. Thats the confusing part. They remove features that would greatly affect a budget conscious indie shooter yet put it in lower tier products.

@@davidmorefieldThe reason to lack of ND filters would be due to the L mount (short flange distance), so it's like an eye for an eye here (the same applies to the BMC6K). Although, I won't mind if they increase the price to add an electronic ND filter. Plus, how is a mattebox + filter more expensive than an internal ND filter that can jump up to $1K price difference...?

@@simplyheen1150are you saying that all L-mount cameras wouldn’t ever be able to have an internal ND system? I know nothing about L mount so I’m curious, seems like a design flaw

Yeah specially this person on the video complaints a lot. I bet he is not really a bmd guy. This guy is maybe a full sony guy.

I own a production house that shoots exclusively on BMD cameras currently and I agree with his critique of the release. Price isn’t the issue. I’d happily purchase this camera at $5500-$6500 if it had built in NDs, an articulating side screen like the Ursa Mini, and even just 1 full size XLR. Price isn’t what is limiting professionals from purchasing this camera, features are. A lot of people are looking for the perfect middle ground between the Ursa Mini/Cine (too bulky for our daily operation) and the pocket camera which have terrible ergos and lots of limitations for professional use. We just want BMD to build a fx6/C300 Mk iii direct competitor. Because it would be a great camera and we’d be willing to fork up double the cost of this camera to get it.

@@Gazerbricks that made that exact camera you're asking for, but you can't afford it.

@@bmefilms6879 except they didn’t. The Ursa cine is not a doc camera. It’s not a corporate production camera. I don’t mind the price point of that camera either. I actually think it’s priced extremely well. But it’s not the Swiss Army knife cine camera the industry wants from BMD. It’s designed for large crew productions in controlled environments. Which is a great product. But not the product most people are looking to buy as their daily A cam.

@@Gazerbricks makes sense

Nobody cares how cheap it is lol

$3k in the USA , in Australia, where blackmagic is from , they sting us $4905 for the camera.

I’m not saying it’s an incapable camera. They left a lot on the table when they could’ve dominated the market.

@@davidmorefield The energy from Reds boys club has left the building. Nobody is delivering what blackmagic just delivered. the ursa cine is an insane camera for $15000. 10G's less than the Burano. The resolve 19 release is absolutely nuts. They have sucked all the air out of the room. I was so impressed that blackmagic said, we threw everything at the Ursa cine, money was no option. But, he didnt do that for the Pyxis, its not perfect but its so affordable, I might get 2.

True, nothing can beat that at 3000

@@castielvargastv7931A Panasonic Lumix DC-S5IIX with a Video Assist 12G for BRAW support should be able to beat that at the same price point.

They already sell an unreliable football shaped camera with built in ND's for $2500. I'm not defending anyone here, but the design choices are unfathomably bizarre. Throw in rolling shutter, and its a tough sell. Maybe the "pro" version of this will be the one. A few tweaks and i'd be thrilled to drop $5 or $6k on one.

I agree it’s not for me. That’s what I said in the video. But I can see how it would be a great B Cam. Thanks for the insight.

Honestly I don't get people getting so defensive whenever Blackmagic is involved. Is not a religion and we pay for our equipment, not the way around, so I think as professionals we have all the rights to point out issues and aspects of ANY cameras that would go against our workflow. And unfortunately what BM did with this (otherwise great) Pyxis is cutting edges for product segmentation that took off much of the final usability of the camera itself. Limitations moreover that have nothing to do with cutting costs.

@@twowheelslife5611 that’s how I see it. Just seems like they could’ve captured more of the market base with a few more standard features. It’s not like I’m asking for ibis and 8k 120. Just simple xlr and nd.

Hes right. Maybe for a production it makes sense but then price dont make sense. Usually even small productions can afford something more high end so i dont really see why would they choose this camera now. We need to be clear here A LOT of people buy only one camera because thats what they can afford and the life of filmmaker not easy so it makes more sense to buy a camera that can do it all like FX3 for example to be able to do all types of jobs to afford living simply. I dont really see the problem with MP4 eaither. Great light codec for long interviews why bother with RAW when you can not to with other cameras. RAW is simply overrated format and for many people its more of a durden not a feature. Just add prores hq like in you lower budget camera models

​@@davidmorefieldyou can tell the people who didn't pay attention until the end. U said it wasn't for you and asked who is it for?

Braw is great!... Only for serious film makers

You lost me when you said the fx6 doesn’t have shutter angle… the fx3 gets it this winter

Not a cinema camera but they shot an $80 million movie with the FX3… So I guess there are people in Hollywood that don’t agree with you.

Yeah, I think this comment fits a lot of the sentiments I have when it comes to people's perception of wanting to have Blackmagic level sensor and quality but in a camera that fits in a Sony FX or Canon C-line of cameras. Unfortunately, Blackmagic has made it very clear they aren't interested in making those type of tools and would rather cater to that type of market, folks who are video shooters who NEED smaller codec deliverables, internal NDs, full XLR audio inputs, etc. Blackmagic just sorta does their own thing, and are more interested in the indie cinema market with their cameras they've produced, which can be annoying for somebody who sees BM releasing new cameras and they aren't looking to make a true FX6 or C300 killer that they probably could do, in reality. As someone who does a lot of AC work, and shoots with an OG Pocket 6K, the design of the camera makes a lot of sense to me, as it can be as compact or as big as I need it to be for any job. The screen placement I'm mixed on, as I see the pros and cons of where it is, especially for gimbal work, but the fact that it's so big and on the Operators side is a plus. I'm not super fussed about a lack of internal NDs as that's a limitation of the L-Mounts capabilities and the tech to pull it off isn't there yet, your best remedy is to get a EF/PL to L mount with a built in Vari ND filter, if one exists. I too, am also annoyed that they've been taking out ProRes/other codecs out and sticking to JUST BRAW, as it makes handling footage sometimes a pain in the ass, especially when working with clients. The fact that it's just the same sensor as the Cinema 6K they just released makes me think they bergrudgingly made this version to calm criticisms of those who complained that it was in another DSLR like body. In a way, I feel like Blackmagic needs to gain more feedback from their customer base who's been asking for all of these things, and constantly disappointing old or potential customers. Sometimes it feels like the cameras are made by engineers first and filmmakers second. With that said, their new URSA Cine cameras seem really intriguing, with some tech and features that I'm really impressed by (Having lens focus and iris mapping for all kinds of stills and cinema glass is really intriguing to see, and the second screen on the AC side is just brilliant), and the 65mm sensor I'm excited to see develop more -- but companies need to start producing more Medium format glass to come out for to justify it's surgance. But to me, it doesn't make sense for video shooters to get a Blackmagic. If you shoot a lot of events, corporate, or doc stuff, a Sony fits that workflow way better than literally any other option, and it's easier to use as a solo shooter. Even I am tired of using my big pocket cam for jobs and I wish to sell it and get an FX3 someday to replace it. Every camera is made and used for a different reason, and the camera should fit the workflow you require, not you forcing the camera to fit your workflow.

@@2424rocket And that same director shot his first feature on a 1080p video camera with a 35mm adapter, and probably could have done so again with The Creator if he'd wanted to. A very unorthodox production using a very unorthodox camera isn't the gottcha you think it is, and also doesn't deal with the fact you can't shoot with S35 glass on it.

​@@yusei151 Ahh, I wasn't aware that the FX6 did shutter angle, thought it was just the 9. Also, my S1H has had shutter angle support from day one, so, y'know. And idk, if you have to bodge in cinema features years after the fact, that would suggest to me that it wasn't really designed as a cinema camera.

Rigging up a cam for every shoot is a headache I don’t want to have. There’s other cameras that natively are constructed with the form factor I like. Fx6 isnt perfect but it’s close

@@davidmorefield Ok that's good to know 😅

@@davidmorefield A lot of fanboy reviews coming out for this camera right now. Nice to hear a more critical review.

@@davidmorefield Agreed, have you found any other EVFs on the market for Fx6 that you considered adding on to your rig?

@@luker1ng I have not bc I’ve positioned my monitor to act similar as an evf except now I don’t need to connect my eye to it and lose peripheral vision. I like this setup. You can see it in my previous vlog kzfaq.info/get/bejne/n6iodKeqstHKp30.htmlsi=8Q0mSVM3EOimw60C

That’s a great way to put it. Except even the fx3 has dual full size xlr 😅

Sony doesn't shoot internal RAW. More like Z-Cam E2-F6 (a lot less popular), C70 (only 4K RAW), R5c (not FF 6K RAW). Honestly, it has no direct competition at this price point.

@@frankfeng2701Well they seem to shoot something similar like RAW in camera, where it has more latitude and you can adjust ISO and Color temperature in post. That is more than good enough for most shooters

It gives you better image quality, dynamic range and codecs than an fx6 though, at a price that’s less than the FX3. Built in ND is really the only thing the FX6 has over the Pyxis, and that can easily be solved with a lens adapter w/ variable ND.

@@cfl4286 it also has sdi+hdmi, two full size xlr and about $3k more added to the price tag. For some people those features are worth it. I specifically get asked for fx6 sometimes too. I’m stoked to see a competitor to that cam for only $3k. I’m interested to see who picks it up and what they use it for.

Welcome aboard 🏴‍☠️

Doesn’t make sense to me!

This was nice to hear after reading all the negative comments 🙏🏻

They’ll add prores later. My BMPCC shoots prores which I never use. Their monitors can record to prores which you’ll want anyways.

​@@elissitdesignthey don't put ProRes in their cameras now. They have H.265 for proxy instead. If you want ProRes you can use a Blackmagic Video Assist.

I dont think there is a big discrepancy between the cost of bp’s and vmounts. Especially now.

V mount would make a lot of sense for their intended indie or cine scenarios

@@davidmorefield I think it's a minor oversight. Maybe, as you suggest, they will add a micro V Mount with a pro model. Some people will prefer being able to move the battery closer or further from the camera as a way to control the weight distribution. The sensor size and shape is a somewhat odd choice. It limits lens choice and it feels like it's too purposefully designed for anamorphic which doesn't fit every film and doesn't match the price point of the body. The issue of not having a second video output shouldn't be an issue. The Teradek transmitter I have includes SDI in and out, so you can just plug your on camera monitor into the output of the transmitter. The Pyrxis has 12G SDI which is overkill (3G is fine) though perhaps it provides some future proofing.

There probably will be. Just like with the Fx6 🤷‍♂ Making the Battery mount smaller makes sense for gimbal or drone work. Native Vmount would defeat that. You can always adapt to make it bigger.

L take

@@leviescamilla632nah w take

@@leviescamilla632 why he's right...Prores is a good point but pretty much everything else is negligible

Maybe, but I would argue those people wouldn't get this camera. It's in this weird space where I think most people would just get a Komodo or favor a more run and gun friendly camera.

@@fd3871the Komodo is thousands of dollars more for features that aren’t needed for everyone. That price jump is not justifiable to a lot of people

Slog3, baked in color… whatever they ask for.

I AGREE!!!

Yes, a camera under 3k does pack this many features, and it’s literally their own full frame 6k cine camera that’s $500 cheaper

@@btconnergaming name?

@@wadfasfsdfdsfsf their full frame 6k pocket cine camera, it’s $2500

@@btconnergaming oh, so obvious lack of comprehension aside, you are saying that the 6k cine FF which has same sensor, has a more ergo body, better built aluminium body, sdi out, better battery option? or u are just deciding to be a digital d-bag?

@@wadfasfsdfdsfsf lol first of all, only one of us is acting like a total dick. You would think you worked for the company with how weirdly defensive you just got. Secondly, you’re paying $500 extra for a box shape and sdi out? The battery is pointless considering the vast majority of people will still go to v mount adapters. Not to mention you’re also losing the monitor, because now it’s fixed to the side as opposed to actually being usable. This camera is not, in any capacity, some technological jump. It’s awesome however that they’re giving the box shape to people, but to say no camera under $3k offers these features is incorrect. I mean heck, the fx30 shoots in better frame rates, same second level of dual native iso at 3200, 2 full sized xlr inputs, IBIS, etc. I’m not even hating on this camera, I’m simply saying that it’s not in some league of its own.

Whatever the client wants. Sometimes it’s 1080/8bit/rec709. Other times it’s 4k/xavc-i/slog3

We can only hope

This is just limiting. I personally like the tools on atomos and SmallHD, only having one monitor option because they took out a feature that existed before on their other cameras makes no sense. Not buying.

It sounds like it. But I think with a few more features it would’ve been popular among the masses.

V mount, dual xlr and ProRes all seem like logical choices. I don’t understand the decision to divert to less popular option.

@@davidmorefield 100%! Only 1 (mini) XLR is an absolute deal breaker for me

Black magic refusing to not do autofocus could hurt them in the long run. I know it’s a feature not everyone uses, but it’s a very convenient thing to have (especially with how good it’s gotten today). I don’t understand why they wouldn’t want to compete.

AF isn’t a requirement for a lot of operators I know but it is nice to have.

@@LeapingDogFilms same - why not compete? I think they’re hoping that no one else offers entry level cost option? That doesn’t seem like a great idea in dedicated box-style-must-rig cinema cameras… but I’m a “video” person so there’s bias for sure. Makes me a little sad that it’s impossible to recommend BlackMagic for almost any corporate, industrial, communications function.

@@LeapingDogFilms With tools like the new DJI Lidar AF system available under $1k, this is less of an issue than it might appear to be, I have AF and lousy AF cameras and even on my Canons with decent AF, it still gets fooled and does weird things sometimes, so I just click off the AF and manually focus. I came up shooting Betacams and then film cameras so AF has always been more of a convenience than a true issue for me if it's not that great. I prefer cinema lenses and manually focusing myself for anything creative, I only use AF in BTS or event type of shoots when I'm using still lenses instead of my cine primes.

There is a absolutely 0 excuse for not investing in to autofocus. We've got the CEO of Nvidia saying we're 5 year out from AGI but a leading company in cameras can't spare a few engineers to work on autofocus?

Thanks for sharing your insight

You and me both brother

This camera with a few tweaks would be great for ALOT of different videographers but the ommision of the features he stated seems strange because their cheaper cameras have it

It's not for working professionals, that's for sure.

@@PrisonJunkieSays who? 😂 Have you ever stepped foot on a feature film set? You might be surprised how many blackmagics are around as B or C cams, crash cams and gimbal cams to match to the A Cam Alexa. BM matches the closest by far right out of the box to ARRI.

@@cfl4286 Not in Atlanta or SC, don't see many Blackmagic unless it's a small (Less than 5) production, like a local food commercial or church shots. People around here DO NOT take Blackmagic seriously enough because they are unreliable on shoots.

It’s $3000…800 less than an FX3 which also has all of those issues minus the screen placement, but for real just get a monitor for a couple hundred and boom fixed. Better image quality than anything else sub 10K as well.

@@cfl4286 Best AF & low light in the market, IBIS, more e mount lens availability, netflix approved, prores, better resale value &build quality......you gotta be kidding me!!

I used to have a ninja v but recording via hdmi introduced too many variables. I’d hate to corrupt a recording bc I accidentally pushed the hdmi cable and lost connection. I prefer internal recording as a safety measure.

basically this guy is beyond bmd's reach of bmds way he didnt even know what its for he is really funny

@@ginnodizon6551 I think the irony, is for the style of shooting it's good for the image quality is remarkable. Sure there are limitations in design, but for it's price, its full frame open gate raw internal recording. It's not an fx6 and thats ok.

Punctuation is important.

It has dual xlr?

@@davidmorefield the 7" does.

I agree

And their decisions seem arbitrary. If they are holding out for a pro version, that could make sense. Since it would be very easy to add these features in.

What I don’t understand is if this is intended for cinema work, whether high or low budget, you will have accessories that need to be powered. These productions universally use v mount or gold mount to power them so you would end up attaching that to the end of the camera anyways. A native v mount seems like it would be a better fit.

​@@davidmorefield The brick form factor doesn't really doesn't really dictate if it's used for cinema work or not. The reason V-mount is popular has more to due with it's age, openness and power potential more than anything else; however, its mount is also one of the most notorious for popping off if a part is warn or the two parts are at opposite tolerance extremes. That's one of the reasons gold mount exists, and ARRI just introduced the B-mount with the Alexa35. Honestly in many ways BPU is a better option than V-mount, particularly if the camera doesn't need 14.8v or 26v to power it; however, the reason most people like V-Mount is because a single battery can power the camera and all accessories. It's not out of the realm of possibilities that the BPU solution will be an excellent option for this camera, but only time will tell.

Never heard that issue on fx6. Only on Komodo’s and arris

Please type “lol” several more times. It makes you look really smart.

I think $3k is an insane price. I just imagine if they added another $1k of features, it would’ve dominated the market.

Guess half the price for half the features sounds right. I would have loved this camera, but really can't get my head around its quirks. :(

PS: vmount =no gimbal

And I think a pro version would make a lot of sense. I don’t think they are targeting this camera for gimbal use. I’ve put my vmounted fx6 setup on a gimbal. It works but not my preferred method. If you really need gimbal, getting the p6k would make more sense. This seems like more of an A cam for sticks or shoulder.

And honestly, from hearing your comments in the video, it's clear you aren't too familiar with BMD's business model or their previous cameras all too much.

Where is the evidence of this clear demographic… the comments? If so, that data was not available at the time of filming. You understand that right? I don’t think this camera is for me. I said that in the video. My qualm is that they could’ve made this a camera for the masses rather than a select few indie cinematographers. That would have made much more financial sense. So you are correct, I don’t not understand BM’s business model. They could take over. But they won’t with this type of feature segmentation. There’s not trolling, just assessing. I’m glad the camera works for you though.

Then why do their cheaper pocket cams have ProRes, ND and dual xlr?

These new Blackmagic cameras have H.265 proxy built in.

Yes

According to the comments, you are one of the few who agree 😂

I think that would sell like crazy.

Incorrect. BM has lower priced p6k cameras with multiple xlr ports and nd. Clearly cost is not the issue.

What did I miss?

@@davidmorefield the humming omg.

​@@davidmorefieldsorry bro

I think a lot of customers have the same mindset

I think we are somewhat on the same thought path. I’m confused bc I’m not sure who this cam is designed for. If it is just low budget indie films, it seems like an extremely small sector which wouldn’t yield much financial return. However, if they had included a few more features that wouldn’t affect cost greatly like ProRes and full dual xlr- it could’ve been adopted by many.

I agree. If there is a Pro version then all of my arguments are null. If there isn’t…. then BM keeps making the same mistakes 😅