bron

Bron . draymond green explained it perfectly.

MJ

Bron stars MJ plummers

@@torianowilliams7276 plummer Shaq dominated the 00s

MJ played the 80s 90s n 00s

@Topjunkie true but lebron evoled league

@@travonteoatis-henderson240 nah that’s Curry

@@qdontae6 there weren't athletic point forwards in 80s 90s

@@travonteoatis-henderson240 Bird n Pippen was the original

People forget it’s a team game. But lebron plays basketball better than jordan

@@adammckennen5252 facts

No 😂🤣..... Mj is categorically and empirically far superior than lebron 😂. The eye test, individual/team accolades, and deep metric analytics prove mj was significantly better all-round 🎯...

Draymond just called Curry the GOAT over both MJ and Lebron. Uh oh. Your biased hypocrisy is about to be exposed.

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

@@kingtrawal get a life

@@clinical_caliber Am i lying? Don't cry, Bronsexual.

@@kingtrawalMJ wouldn’t have won against the warriors with KD

@@michaelmurphy-downey6952 Loser, most people think the 96 Bulls would beat the '17 Warriors. Google it. Learn how to read, Bronsexual LOLLLLL

The thing is we also saw mj at lebrons age range currently and we saw the drop off also considering the years of rest he had bron has never taken a break

Funny thing is he was not the greatest player in 2014-2023 2014 is durant 2015-16 is curry 17 Westbrook 18 harden 19-20 giannis nicola on 21-22 joel in 23 i dont see lebron on 14 to 23. What the hell are they saying that lebron is the best till 2020's he is not even the best player in his team now.

@@seigi007lol u need to stfu u make no sense🤣

@@seigi007bron beat them all in those years

You got that ass backwards bud. The league is full of soft young players afraid to trade elbows. There's no way you were born before 1990

Lakers? Trail Blazers? Sonics? Suns? Jazz? They weren’t good? These teams were stacked goof ball

@@knathanknathan They were past their primes when Jordan beat them. It's a fact that players are faster and stronger on average. The keyword is "average", meaning across the league. If you want to dispute this point, prove your case with data and science! I challenge you. Goofball!

@@ScottRachelson777 Yes and ppl say Lebron era was soft. But it wasnt soft for Lebron the way players were able to just grab on him bc he was so big. Not to mention i feel like this Era is bc of the Jordan rules anyways.

@@pmontyjaaaymes488 I find it hard to believe that if players were allowed to get away with haymakers the way they were in Jordan's day, and LeBon was playing then, he wouldn't have given them a few hay rides down a starry lane that would change the course of their careers.

​@@xgnofearzthe10thgenlegend82 Your response shows me two things. One, you are just a fan of the game, not a student. Two, it shows me your hater driven history lesson excludes that Bill is not only respected by all hall of fame players. He was an olympic level athlete, not just for basketball. Also, he played while American racism was widely accepted behavior, in Boston of all places, which in still one of the more racist cities to this day. He did what he did for his city, yet was not loved by his own fans. Ungrateful is what you bring to the table. Get it? This is you, projected onto an athletic art form. Shameful. You are likely a young teen ager that has a lot to learn about life. No one will ever win more than 11 rings. This I guarantee.

​@@xgnofearzthe10thgenlegend82 Wow, it gets worse, you're over 60 years old and project on others what your mother or father referred to you as a child perhaps? Your lack of growth as a human is extremely uninspiring. You are disrespectful, that is the point to my response. Lack of education, stopped learning at an early age, settled for a job that paid the bills, and gave up on doing anything substantial, and resentful to everyone for it, including yourself. Im I getting through? It's humorous yet sad how people think they are tough, but in reality simply are eking their way through life to understand its meaning, while living underneath a comfy blanket of trauma. I actually played basketball at a high level before injury, so yes it's a different level of understanding one would have than watching the game from the cheap seats, season after season. It's simple to distinguish a player from a fan. Season tickets...please. Defer trying to impress me with your attempt at proving me out to be someone you always were...it's painfully embarrassing to experience. Now that Ive castrated you, I'll be the "mature" one and walk away.

The Goat of Losing in the finals 😂 but I can see why you think that, this is the era where winning isn’t everything. Most LeBron fans look at him carrying his teams to 2 finals losses as a win 😂 crazy

​@@tcmb3434 Appreciate what you see now, no disrespect to MJ, we can actually argue about whos the greatest when bron's career is over.

@@tcmb3434 it’s not just about winning correct. Now if you wanna make all about winning you already know what I’m gonna say. Robert horry is better than lebron, Kobe and Jordan. Now as for lebron carrying those two teams to the finals. Nobody in the history of the nba could ever come close to doing that. Now as for lebron losing in the finals. Besides than 2011 and and 2014 all I can say is basketball is a team sport and if Kevin Durant didn’t join the warriors best believe lebron would have 6 rings right now lol. 2017 and 2018 lol

@@Aurinna oh we can do it now I say lebron is better right now let’s argue.

@@QuavoGotFame Olajuwon and Dirk both carried their teams to Championships and won, so Lebron carrying his teams to finals losses gets canceled out. Lebron never won a chip without at least one Hall of Famer on his squad, and averaged 17 in a NBA finals vs Mavericks. He got too many L’s to be the goat.

Just Bc he stated facts it’s meat riding?

@@TrenchBaby13Bruh their friendship is fake as hell it’s so obvious 😭😭

He's known to latch on other's success. Curry and Bron.

@@TrenchBaby13 what facts? He ain’t surpass Kobe til he fell off

So he d riding because he telling the truth

Please not the Kobe argument. Sorry he was an incredible talent but him being Shaq’s sidekick disqualifies him.

MJ could have came out of HS too but the mindset of an athlete was different back then. Keep that in mind

@@JmedleyMusik yeah he could but he didn’t

@@JmedleyMusik 😂😂😂😂MJ didn’t make his HS team let alone could he come out in HS 😂😂😂😂😂

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

you can’t mention LeBron without DWade (top 3 SG ever) Kyrie (most skilled ever) Ray Allen (greatest shooter ever b4 Steph) i could keep going but this should do

@@nine3seven bosh

@@nine3seven but today’s society wants everything now. That’s why it’s okay to chase after something without putting time in and work with what you got. Jordan and Kobe stuck with their team through think and thin.

@@nine3sevenD Wade’s knees were shot most of that Miami run. That wasn’t ‘06 DWade he was playing with. And Scottie is probably the greatest wing defender ever. Phil the greatest coach ever. These are silly comparisons lol

@@nine3sevenwow lebron has teammates what a shocker lol unlike Jordan LeBron was the driving force unlike mj who got carried by the greatest coach for all time

It makes perfect sense because of what exactly? Bet ur girlfriend don’t d-ride as hard as dray does bron😂

The warriors was dealing with injuries plus lefraud james had help from refs & the NBA plus 👑 Stephen curry 👑 was injured😂😂😂

feels bad for Kyrie tho LeBron get all the credit when they comeback 3-1. Kyrie hit the clutch shot. avg 27 ppg while guarding the best player on the opposing team.

I have Lebron as 2nd all time, and it's crazy how his fanbase will be quick to call you a hater for giving him his flowers but not calling him the goat. Most people across all age demographics have MJ as the goat. I'll be honest, if Lebron had more rings, or even a three-peat, I'd probably be changing where I place them.

@@Vnx013 100% Kyrie was going CRAZY that Finals and he gets little to no recognition for it

Jason Terry and JJ Barea have receipts on LeBronze in the NBA Finals 🤣😂🤣

@@bainer3052 so you’re basically saying they’re incompetent players yet the team they assembled bounced every other team in their conference and made it to the finals for a reason… just say you don’t know basketball bro the mavs weren’t pushovers.

Lebron 1-2 against duncan Lebron 1-3 Curry so sad hahahaha

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

MJ wasn't drafted by a great franchise either though. They were literally one of the last place teams in the league when he joined and most his teammates were drug addicts who partied more than they practiced

The Cavs was favorite to beat the Mavs and LeBron melted. Jordan never melted in the biggest games, because he was the most ferocious competitor ever . Remember the Bulls weren't nothing before Jordan got there.

@@gabrieleaster yea but he had the front office willing to make Change and help where was that for bron ?

Didn’t cavs win 60+ plus games in 09 and 2010. With lebron back to back league MVP and COTY

@@judahmourneth3211 how u think they got 60 wins buddy ? 😂

Yea I respect the ones who don’t just Bring up a finals record because at the end of the day, winning a championship is a team effort not one person

Mj better

@@NegronAngel2828 No issue with that

That’s the same thing with Michael Jackson.

None of those former legends have Jordan's overall resume. Bill Russell may be the only exception, but Russell doesn't have the individual numbers to compete with Jordan. He only beats him in team wins. Kareem is the other star who comes the closest. And Kareem has the edge over Jordan depending on how much emphasis one chooses to place on a players' success in college. But when it comes to the NBA, Jordan has THREE TIMES as many finals MVPs as Kareem does! That is the dividing line for me when it comes to MJ and anyone else you want to compare him to!

That don’t make you better 😂

@@cyber6sapien but since u are talking about individual success not just the team. Then having 6 championships isnt a thing to compare against lebron james then. Even Pippen has 6 rings too like jordan. But if its not counted for ur comparison then I guess Lebron James has a huge lead on MJ just with the individual success. The guy is on the way to becoming No. 1 in scoring, and 5th on Passing at the same year.

@@lavonnealexander6936 Pfft, Exactly. These mf's stay stuck in the sports world without realizing or forgetting that there's whole nother phenomenon out there

Cap

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

@@kingtrawal YES IN YOUR DREAM SON

@@Rob93WLR MJ with 10 straights scoring titles and 9 straight FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSE. LeChoke with Zero and Zero. MJ also 6 rings and. 6 FMVP. Drop your tears here 👇

@@kingtrawal I can't talk with peoples like you Lebron will prove again in a few matches that he has overtaken MJ a long time ago now, you can hate Lebron but you can't lying the whole world know the truth trust me.

Exactly because that 2009 Kobe season was so underrated, Kobe wasn’t going to be denied in 09 he was actually waiting on LeBron

It ain’t even about GSW. Jordan wouldn’t survive social media

@@therealjayz8036 MJ has the most media coverage on him...he'll survive it pretty well...man was a true professional unlike Lebum and these clowns today. Look at Steph he doing well.

MJ would mind-fuck Curry into sub-par 20-point performances while averaging 35, Pippen would easily hold his own against Thompson in every aspect of the game, Rodman would out-Draymond Draymond Green and Kerr learned to coach by being coached by Phil Jackson. MJ vs Lebron is a good argument, MJ's championship Bulls teams vs GSW, meh...not so much.

@@illiturit1151 cap who guarding Durant you forgot they had him too idiot jordan can’t guard Durant and Pippen and Rodman good luck Steph and Klay gone get 30 especially in they prime fool

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

Kobe was the best player until 2011. 2019 Kawhi was better than Lebron. Dwade was better than Lebron for a couple seasons. Giannis was back to back MVP 2018-2019.

@Topjunkie yeah I agree with that but Lebron is definitely not above MJ or Kobe haha

MJ better than Lebron at offense, and MJ better than Lebron at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

@@MyronZhaoKobe was more respected because he was an elder statesman. Everyone knew Kobe was all about himself and was incapable of making his teammates better.

@@kingtrawalJordan relied so heavily on Pippen and Phil (Rodman too) that he vowed to quit if they didn’t return. LeBron never had a teammate that could do what he was incapable of…Jordan needed Rodman because he was too small and short to do anything with Shaq, Mourning, and Malone. Heck, even Pippen was needed against a bigger and stronger Magic in 1991 finals.

Yeah. Real dumb!!

Yea in like the most easiest league ever 😂 come on bro lol everyone always forgets about Kobe lol

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

@Brutals I'll never forget about kobe bro...he was my guy growing up so when he passed away it hurt!!

@@kingtrawal 🤣🤣

See there. You are way to smart to be up in these comments hittin' bullseye's.

What does that have to do with anything? In 2013 bron was defensive player of the year candidate and was guarding positions 1-5

@@impacc4182 no won is talking about 'anything'. Ask a proper question. What does that have to do with...

@@KingsdaleNorth what’re you babbling about

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

The most weakest title ever since AI wont it with below league average shooting

in fairness Bron is a good scorer, arguably top 10 all time as a scorer. But the gap between MJ as a scorer and Bron, is much larger than the gap between them as passers

@@bobbyd1632 gap between them as scoring title holders is very large. Efficiency over longevity

@@SenpaiJoyBoy yep, like I said the gap between them as scorers is decent (best ever compared to maybe top 10), the gap between them as passers is actually quite close

Lebron has a higher fg and 3 pnt %. Nothing to do with longevity. Mathematically, he scored more with the same attempt. Jordan just took more attempts

@Topjunkie the league was soft back then

@@travonteoatis-henderson240 nah

@@NevaSellmySoul I remember that series against the New York Knicks MJ was getting all types of foul calls to help his team

And the Buffalo Bills went to the Super Bowl four years in a row but nobody cares about coming in second place 🤡

Put lebron in his prime against the 1988 pistons. The league is soft and young. Not nearly as competitive or athletic Anyone who says otherwise was born after 1990. Facts.

People tend to forget that. On top of that I believe MJ switched to the point guards a lot which helped a lot for him winning all those defensive accolades.

@@kolelegge7860 exactly. He didn’t guard the best 3,4, or 5 positions

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

@@kingtrawal MJ was getting bounced in the first round and getting swept until Scottie and Phil Jackson came along 😂😂

@@InbredSpanishKing Phil Jackson with MJ: 6 rings no losses, Phil without MJ… 4 finals losses. Grow a brain, Bronsexual 🤡

Can't go wrong with either

@@blacktopbuckets he's definitely up there though.

It’s MJ

Watch "Jordan's historic Bulls mixtape" and "rare voyager", he's just different bruh, you might just change your mind lol

That's it right there

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

And Lebron has? 😂😂😂 he had more HOF than mj ever had I don’t get it

In 1998, Pippen was usless and injured. MJ won that ring all by himself. Grow a Brain. LeChoke is a loser. Losers can't be goat. looks bad for the sport.

​@@kevtaylor99582018 Cavaliers🤷‍♂️

that's because The Shop is LBJ's show ;)

That's because he's trying to be a Laker. Watch they won't extend. He can never be the leader of that team again. Not after curry took poole's side.

*a leader*

@@montanamountainmanalways excuses with you Jordan dik riders anytime they say brons the goat there’s some reasoning behind it

2 assists is min 4 points

N Michael Jordan played against high school teachers and grass cuters

He has more rings but made it to the finals less, and sure he averaged 3 less points than Jordan but you have to look at the longevity. You rather 30$ a day for 15 years or 27$ for over 20 years?

@@dreadheadj5558 dumb ass argument

Lbj is clearly the best

Let's put it this way, the Bulls never went to the NBA finals before MJ, They won 6 with MJ, and never went to the finals after he left.

Wades knees was gone Bosch had heart problems was carried by PIPPEN RODMAN KERR KUKOC GRANT HARPER LONGLY PAXSON BILL CARTWRIGHT BJ ARMSTRONG WILL PERDUE Charles Oakley AND Others. Mj never faced a team in the finals in their prime or more than one all star. Never faced a team the caliber of SPURS IN PRIME. BIG 4 Celtics. GSW WITH AND WITHOUT KD.

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

@@kingtrawal my bad big dawg your profile picture invalidates your opinion 😭 L troll

@@TJPhillips23 just like how LeCHOKEs resume invalidates his goat argument? 4 out of 10 for 40%. Dude loses nonstop.

That's the problem whenever I hear people make the argument for LeBron. Their argument is inconsistent. OK so LeBron is better because he beat the greatest team ever assembled which was the warriors right? Then why is Jordan ahead of Curry in his rankings? Why isn't Durant higher because Durant almost beat those same warriors that same year. James Harden needs to be top 10 because again James Harden nearly beat the Durant Warriors while LeBron's cavs got swept. Miami with three all stars losing to a team with one all star that's not in anyone's top ten list just didn't happen I guess

I don't get that either. Players today are supposedly better but all the all time stats are dominated by 80s and 90s players. It's a league where small guards can dominate, if that tells you anything about the defense of today's league.

He’s talking about the general pool of players. Take away Jordan and the superstars of the 90’s as well as the one’s from today the bench of today or the mid level players would be better than the bench or mid-levels players of back then. Which makes sense considering basketball was a hobby to those back than and now dudes are groomed in HS to be elite.

@@youtubewatcher4955 I find that hard to believe when I seen the 2013 Miami Heat play a 38-44 Milwaukee Bucks team in the first round of the playoffs. The players and teams of today are pampered, get to miss games to rest, and can make the playoffs when their mathematically out of it. Idk how much better the players of today would be if the league wasn’t candy coated.

It does in this instance. MJs bio is flawless both individually, team wise and impact on winning. 6-0 is shorthand for " you can't claim to be than perfection"

Team game

If LeBron had gone to college the career scoring wouldn’t be that high.

Thank you for showing everyone you don’t know anything about basketball

MJ better than LeChoke at scoring, and MJ better than LeChoke at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

@@kingtrawal brahh look at the all time leading scorer list lebron about to past even the great Kareem

@@malsawmtluanga8249 being the career leading scorer, doesn’t make you the goat… Just ask Kareem. Losers can’t be goat… looks bad for the sport

@@kingtrawal oh yeah compare MJ's teammate with lebron. Just so you know Lebron is in 10 on every leading scorer, assist, 3 pointers made, steal and so on

Marcus smart and Gobert have won DPOY what are you talking about

LMAO Bird, Magic, KAJ, Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Drexler, Payton, Miller, Ewing, Zeke etc. DPOY in the 90s Mutumbo, Rodman, Hakeem, Robinson, Alonzo. LeBron lost DPOY to M.Gasol LMAO

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 exactly. If all the players of this era are so good, how come all the records still standing are by players from MJ's era?

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 he shouldve won that he got robbed not lost casual

Jordan played in an Era with Rodman, Ewing, Hakeem and you say he wouldn't have won a defensive MVP??? Lmfao!!!! Those are some of the greatest nba defenders of all time. LeBron losses defensive player the year awards to ummmm jokeem noah and Mark Gasol. Yall new nba fans are hilarious

Yup

KD warriors couldn't even threepeat once and he wants to call them the greatest team ever. Wild

@@gabrieleaster73-9 and the bulls are overrated they had the goat of all time

Warriors would have a 4 peat if it they didn't have to face Lebron

@@impacc4182 overrated? bulls? 😂 do you even know what overrated means? they won 3 peat twice. Have a 72-10 record with CHIP. Bulls are the best team back then both offensive and defensively.

@@Will-ib7ok you mean LeBron with Kyrie and Love. and what? 4 peat 🤣? really? 2015 finals without kyrie and Love? 2017 wcf Injured Kawhi? 2018 wcf CP3 hamstring injury? Warriors is not the greatest team. more like the luckiest team ever 😂

With better coaching and more skilled teammates.

@@mobetta2092 Bron never wanted to be coached and he had spoelstra and pat Riley and chose to leave. Jordan played with 1 other all-star in pippin. Bron literally created super teams with 3 All-stars and still losses.

@@at2130 LeBron left to deliver on a championship promise he made to Cleveland. Jordan’s GM created superteams including signing Dennis Rodman after realizing the Bulls had no chances against the dominant bigs of the 90s like Shaq, Olajuwon, and Malone. Bron never had a teammate who could do what he couldn’t. LeBron led in nearly every statistical category on his championship teams. Bulls would’ve never won a single chip if they required that outta Jordan.

True, but in a less talented league.

@@mobetta2092 what happened to winning "8" rings in Miami tho?

🤣🤣🤣

A guy who played for 20 years + and is still regarded as a top play will retire with damn near the top of all stats didnt have a better career then a guy who played 15 years and retired 3 times ans barely is number one at anything 🤣🤣 you hate lebron jus say that its easier

@@feliperosa1358 Jordan most finals mvps, most scoring titles, highest career ppg both playoffs & regular season. Highest career PER highest career box plus minus + - Most playoff 40 50 60 point games. Most points on a playoff game. Most career buzzer beaters. Most nba first defensive teams (tied).The most ppg in a finals series. Only player who won dpoy & scoring title the same season. Only player to win the scoring title, mvp, nba championship, finals MVP, named NBA All-Defensive 1st team, he Did It 4 Times In his career 🐐

@@omarharris4758 and he did all that in 13 seasons. Can this debate die now? Let's debate who's better between Garnett and Dirk or something

@@MikeBNumba6 100% accomplished more in less time with less help. I'll always stand on that argument, but it's a matter of opinion anyways. The ESPN poll already ended the debate in all age demographics. The arguments done.

This is true

Pippen has said he can play those positions easily and has. But he was asked to do one thing. Score. Get that ball in the bucket. And he did. He was able to groom his team. You cant be able to do that without knowing how to play the other positions. Thats not coming from me fool. You have to argue with NBA legends on that point.

@@vagabond4576 yea a lil bit capable but not as good as bron. this guy is so well rounded and u know it..

Correct. LeChoke ain't even better than Kobe

Naw

Quit? Bro kobe literally lost the Lakers the finals in 04 cause he was being selfish...he broke the offense trying to get finals mvp over shaq

There was no one close to Middleton and Holliday on that 2010 cavs team lol

When did kobe faced 4 all stars by himself? Lmao he has pao to run with him, artest and odom and fisher. Bruh, lebron has no one playing against boston. Zbo?! Gibson?! FOH lmao

Quit? Cavs couldn’t give a decent supporting cast for like 8 years. Lebron left to better himself and his career. Cavs at the time were ruining him. Only reason why mj stayed on the bulls is cause the bulls gave him the best coach of all time and pippin by his side

What does that tell you? If you're the best player in the league and playing on a team with substantial talent, doesn't that suppose to make you the favorite? That proves MJ met those expectations. What about LeBron? Throughout the 2010s, he was unquestionably the best player in the NBA and played on superteams but he's the underdog? What does that tell you? He underperformed and underachieved.

Jazz and Sonics would have kicked brons ass

@@syzorst Lebron was favored to win in 2011 but...

That's a straight lie. Everyone expected Magic, James Worthy, and Vlade to beat Jordan. They were also not the favourites to win in 1998 against the Jazz. People thought the Bulls (oldest team in the league) were too old that time and would lose. They were the favourites the other times. But being an underdog doesn't mean you're the better player. Nor does being the "overdog". Winning means you're better, losing means you aren't. Just because people expect you to lose doesn't mean you are better than if people expect you to win.

@@syzorst he was schooled by Jason Terry

Saying blanket statements like that doesn't make it true.

@@dnice4145 but it does speak to the ratio of talent between Jordan and his competitors vs Lebron and his competitors. If you're leagues above your competition, it's easy to say things like this. But if Lebron is wanting to be the goat, then he has to proportionately be that much better than his competition, the way MJ was, but he isn't.

Boy you slow...How can he be average at all those things but be one of the most efficient in the history of the game lol.His size strength and speed was an advantage just like MJ in the 90s.Look at how he get to the rack and creates balance in his scoring.MJ did the same thing and added a post game later in his career.So did Bron.And Jordan never won anything without Pippen.Point blank period.

MJ wasn't surrounded by great shooters his entire career either. Lebron's been playing with current top 5, top 10 players his entire career since joining the Heat

@@doylefrye1547 Bron never won anything without another superstar either so what's your point?

@gabrieleaster Steve kerr,John paxon,bj Armstrong,Craig hodges,jud Buchler.All great 3 point shooters.Tex winters triangle offense was built to put shooters in the corners so the stars could have more room to iso and make easy reads.Phil Jackson knew exactly how to maximize mj and Scotties abilities.Look at the lakers.Fisher,Horry and Odom.Odom was nearly identical to kuckok.The other guys were sharp shooters.And you evidently must not remember how good Dennis and harper were.Great defensively.Longley was no scrub.Jordans teams were loaded

@gabrieleaster none of those guys lebron played with were great two way players (except for AD)Jordan never got out the east without Scottie.Bron made it out with scrubs before he was 22.Stop it!!

lol in 1989 the pace was insanely high, and he led the league in usage% that season. Thats not even MJ's peak...

2013 bron is arguably the best players ever. FMVP, mvp, 1 vote away from DPOY and beat the spurs dynasty

@@jalenkyle93 2018 was the complete player

It’s crazy cause when us bron fans bring up stats like all time points rebounds and assists y’all get mad and say we only use stats but you’re using a stat😂😂😂 bron the greatest that’s why you here trying to use that weak ass debate

@@jalenkyle93 thanks to Ray Allen

We dont care about mj's assist. Mj doesnt involve his teammates unlike lebron. Basketball is a teamsports.

Lebron averages like 11 assists in finals appearances

@@DeauxTheGreat1990 “Like 11” tells me you don’t know you’re just guessing, you’re way off btw lol.

@@jerico6731 Depends on the teammates, but if you don’t care about assists then it doesn’t matter lol.

@@georgeclooney6071yeah boobie gibson and cedi osman being the 2nd best player still reaching the finals

then you're not paying attention or maybe don't have the database of the games history, Dray's take has huge holes

MJ better than Lebron at offense, and MJ better than Lebron at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.

need superteams to beat superteams. Common sense ain't that hard kid

@@khoado123 he ain’t idiot don’t mind him

@@khoado123 Dirk would disagree.

@@nikosvault while Dirk didnt have a superteam, dont act like he had bums around him

@@khoado123 There was one bum around him during the NBA finals.

Mj never played 73-9 team

Because he was that team. MJ isn’t losing to Dirk and co.

@@KirikoSensie MJ better than Lebron at offense, and MJ better than Lebron at defense. That's the entire game right there, Bronsexual. No Cap. And we haven't even gotten to winning... LeChoke loses much more than he wins.