This video would make no sense at all without your comments as an experienced pilot. My respect for your knowledge has increased, as I can confirm your explanation of single shaft turboprop vs free turbine turboprop is completely accurate. I am a cranky old man who builds jet engines, and you know I have a low tolerance for misunderstanding. I am very impressed with your handling of the subject! With every video you make, I learn more about the work pilots do.
@AzTrailRider572 жыл бұрын
AgentJay Umm you're not old yet. LOL
@Bolivar2012able2 жыл бұрын
Was'nt just Technical Failure Jay Z. There's a Whole Lotta stuff that JUST BLEW UP IN THE PILOTS FACE, AND HE WAS OVERWHELMED WITH TASK SATURATION. Yes engine failure is the Primary Cause of the Accident, but as I've said about operating a Heavy Goods Vehicle, just a tiny flick on the wheel could put a wagon on it's side, killing and injuring all those around it. Same applies here.
@AgentJayZ2 жыл бұрын
@@Bolivar2012able I agree with you. My comment was on the outstanding ability and knowledge of our favorite source for aviation analysis...
@blancolirio2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jay!
@chupacabra17652 жыл бұрын
HaHa Your intolerance for misunderstanding and armchair expert comments is one of your leading trademarks.
@BillMetter2 жыл бұрын
So sad, a young man working hard to build his hours to go to an airline. Rest In Peace my friend.
@tomdchi122 жыл бұрын
Regarding the ATC recordings - I clearly hear engine sound on the earlier transmissions. I don't hear any distinct tone from engines on the transmission where he says "engine failure." I ran the audio from the VAS Aviation channel through audio software (Izotope RX9) for the audio spectrum display. There are clear bands of the "engine buzz" in the earlier transmissions, and those bands are totally absent in the "engine failure" transmission, so based just on that audio, it looks/sounds like dual engine failure! (That said, particularly being run through KZfaq's processing, the audio I am hearing/looking at has been through the wringer so it will be less reliable than what NTSB investigators will check.)
@blancolirio2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Thanks Thomas.
@tomdchi122 жыл бұрын
@@blancolirio I should say it may sound fancy, but many audio programs can display the frequency spectrum. Audition (part of the Adobe Creative suite) does this, and Audacity is a free audio program that also includes a spectrogram view. Constant tones like vibrations from engines running at a particular rpm show up on the spectrogram as bands at frequencies related to that rpm.
@geoffreyarnold72922 жыл бұрын
Wow is right! I think you and Thomas nailed it. Both engine flame out on final. Sad. The most relevant observation is that the FAA is currently "behind the aircraft." I'm a CPA and I see it is worse at the IRS where employees aren't back in the office due to Covid policies. The IRS computer marches on but it is impossible to talk to any real person on the phone to resolve issues. The IRS is currently very dysfunctional. It seems like the whole thing could crash. You're saying that the FAA is suffering similar inefficiencies. But in your case the beurocratic blundering can cost lives. Thanks for your observation! May the young pilot RIP 🙏.
@shenandoahhills72632 жыл бұрын
I flew Metros back in the late 70's. As I remember the engine anti-ice had to be on prior to entering icing conditions, as placing it on too late would cause chunks of ice to be ingested. The NTS (negative torque sensing) was critical, and was a no-go item. On test flights where we turned the NTS off the aircraft would veer violently into the dead engine. Going into LAX, in VFR conditions, the Metro could hold 248 knots (VNE) to the marker and still slow down and configure while maintaining the glide slope. None of the jet aircraft could keep up on the parallel approaches, some even had to go around while trying to match the pace. It was truly a high performance aircraft. Pushing the props up to high rpm was hardly noticeable to the passengers due to the single shaft design of the Garret TPE 331, unlike the PT6. This allowed the aircraft to slow down while still descending on the glide path.
@detroitgarage94302 жыл бұрын
I concur, I flew a cargo metro 2 in the early 90's and routinely ran VNE to the outer marker and still configure for landing on the glideslope. In icing it was a great aircraft and as you mentioned was critical to have the engine icing on prior to entering icing conditions. If you forgot to put the engine anti ice on in icing, (If I remember correctly), you were to put the ignition on and select engine anti icing on one engine, wait and then the other engine. This prevented a dual engine failure from occurring.
@Cheeseatingjunglista2 жыл бұрын
@@arcanondrum6543 This has nothing to with the topic, but I read your avatar name and I my head it came out as Are Canons Drums? - very poetic if you intended it, just cool otherwise
@cheatham7772 жыл бұрын
@@arcanondrum6543 what a conundrum you presented
@Cheeseatingjunglista2 жыл бұрын
@@arcanondrum6543 Wow, now thats a cool conundrum🙂
@Castle9212 жыл бұрын
Blanc thanks for doing this video. Manny was my best friend and I talked to him on the 9th just before he went down. I just got done with his funeral and talked with his coworkers who think it may have been bad fuel icing that brought him down.
@darrellhay2 жыл бұрын
SO SORRY! UGH
@techsolutions82372 жыл бұрын
Oh man...I wish you strength and comfort during this time of loss..
@jelinek12 жыл бұрын
Condolences to you for the loss of your friend. Unfortunately in this business there will be friends lost. I’ve been flying for 45 years now and have seen my share. I currently fly the Metro 23, 5000 hours in them. Although I am single pilot typed, we always fly with a crew of two.
@Castle9212 жыл бұрын
He was the kind of friend to me that you could almost mistake for being yourself but slightly different, like a twin sibling you never had. He was also the best pilot I’ve ever known. The whole reason I got into flying was because of him and when he was asked what he wanted to do with his pilot career all he told me was “become a legend”. Never another like him
@Castle9212 жыл бұрын
It was company policy apparently for them not to put the deicer in the fuel of the merlins because they had a fuel heating system using the engine oil. But when he descended his oil cooled and the fuel if it was bad would have started to slush up behind the heater. So when he went to throttle up it pushed the slush straight through the oil heater and killed the engines. At least that’s what his friends think happened
@f3nd13y2 жыл бұрын
I just left the single pilot 135 cargo life. Definitely saw a degradation in safety from both company and the FAA. Flying for a medical company during covid was tough as we knew the importance of getting the job done. Eventually it was became apparent that it’s a “when” not “if” something happens. I had to get out, I’ve since switched to 121 and wouldn’t change a thing.
@KutWrite2 жыл бұрын
Good luck with your career, esp. if they make you take the jab.
@MattOGormanSmith2 жыл бұрын
@@KutWrite Anyone with proper concern for their own safety will have had the jab already.
@LIamaLlama5542 жыл бұрын
@@KutWrite if everyone had gotten the jab when they could, this gd pandemic would be over.
@haphartmann33942 жыл бұрын
@@KutWrite Are you aware that you and people like are the reason this Covid Pandemic continues to literally kill people.
@KutWrite2 жыл бұрын
@@LIamaLlama554 How do you know?
@ronaldscott7812 жыл бұрын
Thank you Juan for bringing this check ride craziness to the forefront. Prayers for the pilot’s family and friends.
@carlwilliams69772 жыл бұрын
How is it that millions of grocery clerks, flight attendants (as just a few examples) can be exposed to thousands of people a day, but the NTSB can't be bothered to go out and do their job?
@NicolaW722 жыл бұрын
@@carlwilliams6977 The FAA in this case.
@carlwilliams69772 жыл бұрын
@@NicolaW72 Yeah you're right, I was thinking of the crash investigations, which is even more ridiculous, as they are outside. In any case, my point stands for both "organizations". Like cops, their goal should be serving and protecting. Seems the only people they're interested in protecting are themselves! Hell, courts ate even back in session. Most do a dog and pony show, where they they take their masks on and off, but they're back in session!
@katiekane52472 жыл бұрын
@@carlwilliams6977 so many mandates, for our health, turn out to cause harm. Why are folks still tolerating this bull 💩?
@77thTrombone2 жыл бұрын
@@carlwilliams6977 _Fred the FAA Clerk reminds everyone: _*_Flight Safety is Paramount!_*_ FAA clerk safety is more paramounter._
@megadavis53772 жыл бұрын
Juan, I retired from your airline last year and am now flying these short and long Merlins. I greatly enjoy them and would never, ever voluntarily return to the 121 flying at Dallas, but these Merlins are demanding, as you said. One must respect them and their weaknesses.
@greyjay92022 жыл бұрын
Wow, that Bullhead City radio chatter is intense. If the Manchester pilot, flying alone, experienced a dual engine failure at night, in icing conditions, there is no way he could have pulled a rabbit out of the hat. Too much to do, and not enough time or altitude to do it.
@LWDavis582 жыл бұрын
The most unpleasant time ever to lose power.
@fazole2 жыл бұрын
Very few twins have a glide slope much better than a falling safe if both engines fail. Maybe the U2.
@NicolaW722 жыл бұрын
@@LWDavis58 Indeed.
@NicolaW722 жыл бұрын
Exactly - unfortunately.
@jerryeinstandig79962 жыл бұрын
the comments on juan's videos are often just as informative as his presentation.
@rexmyers9912 жыл бұрын
Jeez, Juan! I flew the Metroliner years ago. My good friend’s son flies for Castle and knew the deceased (he was 23). I had counseled my friend’s son to get off the Metro (at Castle) ASAP. Fortunately, he transferred over to the Saab 340 (which is a two man crew) five weeks ago. I told him flying the Metro single pilot was not safe. And, you’re right the TPE 331:engine is VERY susceptible to icing. R I P.
@baomao72432 жыл бұрын
You do a really good job of teleporting us into the cockpit with your emphasis and accelerating pace of reading. I close my eyes and feel Ike I am on the flight crew racing against the clock (altitude) to work the issue. The crashes bring me no joy. But each one of your play-by-play analyses makes me a safer pilot. Thank you, Juan,
@dogrokket2 жыл бұрын
I flew the Dog Rocket for several years single pilot at night in all kinds of weather conditions. What I will say, is that she flew like a champ, as long as everything was working fine. It didn’t take much to get the workload through the roof. This period in my aviation career definitely strengthened my relationship with God. Just sayin'.
@rkflin2 жыл бұрын
The fact that you realize this puts you in rarified air, sir. But by the grace of God go I.
@dogrokket2 жыл бұрын
@@rkflin No doubt Kevin. My most rarified trick was when I was flying a Beech 1900C between Greensboro, NC and Kinston, NC. It was before dawn and back in that day, all we had was DUATS, and it looked pretty good when I launched at 0600, but I ended up battling a band from tropical storm Hortense. The young military controller from Goldsboro GCA kept asking me if I saw a hook echo on my radar. I didn't, because, when you're in it, you can't see it. You just experience it. It just plain sucked. When you're young and you fly freight, you take some stupid chances... And I did.
@TheCaptmjr2 жыл бұрын
Amen the Metro is always trying to kill you.
@scottallen21902 жыл бұрын
Never heard it called the Dog Rocket before. 😬
@techsolutions82372 жыл бұрын
@@dogrokket DUATS... forgot all about that....then again, I have forgotten about RDF too, and it was on my written....Yikes...
@National7572 жыл бұрын
I have several thousand hours in the SA227 Merlin IV Expediter single pilot. The airplane can be a handful but more so during a V1 or a V2 cut. A SE approach should not be that big of a deal. Unless maybe the NTS system failed? As for icing, I used to see flame outs in cruise frequently in icing conditions. Ice will build up on the prop dome and often go through the engine and cause a momentary loss of thrust. But with ignition on the thrust would almost immediately come back. Essentially just making the airplane yaw, getting your attention. And then go right back to normal. I had a loss of oil pressure once on the left engine, had to shut it down in flight. It was an empty ferry flight from Burbank to Ontario. Pretty much a non event with an empty airplane. At max weight with a failed engine? A different story. When I did my type rating in the Metro I already had several Jet type ratings, including in airliners. I took the Metro job because I was on furlough from an airline. The single pilot Metro rating was by far the hardest type rating I ever did. The airplane fly's much like a jet. But with out jet power!
@rob7377002 жыл бұрын
I flew the SF-340 back in the day and it also suffered from flame outs after ingesting built up ice from the intake or engine splitter lips. We called them rollbacks. As in your case they relit pretty quickly on their own but it sure got your attention. I was happy to later get hired into the 737 and leave all of these icing troubles behind.
@Miles321Neo2 жыл бұрын
@@rob737700 Rob, I remember the SF340 ignition was left in auto, at least on our Eagle B models. You are correct. A change in airflow resulting in flameout, get a yaw, pop, relight and nothing to see here. Worked great. I also flew Eagle’s SA226 & SA227. In those turboprops, ignition had to be manually selected on when conditions warranted, and it ran continuously, thus wear. I believe Juan’s message here is that training is possibly suffering during Covid. I flew the Metroliner in regional 135 ops, FO included by regs. SA227 Type Rating doesn’t require 2nd in command, however, flying this aircraft without an A/P single pilot is the recipe for a disaster. We didn’t have an A/P on our American Eagle Metroliners in the mid 1980’s thru 1990. I accumulated 1,870 hours approximately over a couple of years, mostly in left seat. Point being, these 19 seat, high performance turboprops where profitable for the airlines during the 80’s. They are a high performance aircraft & a challenge to fly.
@rob7377002 жыл бұрын
@@Miles321Neo I fully agree, Steve...even after many decades of airline experience I would not want to try out one of these planes by myself. And it's scary to think that pilots with just a fraction of our experience are doing this. I remember when the Metroliner was a popular commuter and I rode on them more than a few times (usually on Mohawk Airlines). I briefly did the 19 seater thing myself (BE-1900) until they fell out of favor with the public in the mid 90s after several accidents in a row. My airline then got rid of them and it was back to the right seat on the Saab for me and the other junior captains. We may have been coworkers....I came over to Eagle from the BEX merger and left in 2002 for my current airline.
@B1900pilot2 жыл бұрын
@@Miles321Neo Yep...The "snowball" from the "bird-catcher"
@jamesroddy82382 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this quick and detailed response Juan. I’m the person who asked you to look into this earlier this week. I’m a member of a local volunteer emergency response team and I always have my radios on. Ironically my first info on this came from a Twitter tweet from a local resident stating…wow!!! Something just exploded behind my house, fire everywhere. Moments later my radios lit up. While not dispatched to this one I know a lot the people who were staged for it. It’s ironic I get such detailed info from a very knowledgeable person 3000 miles away from me before I hear anything from my local contacts. MHT built a beautiful passenger terminal about 20 years ago but nearly all its revenue is from freight. Constant air traffic in the vicinity of my home. I’m just to the east of the flight path for runway 35 and see frequent cargo aircraft coming and going. A sad tragedy that is more clearly understood. May the young man Rest In Peace. Thank you again Juan. Fly safe.
@brandyf40882 жыл бұрын
Thank you James Roddy for being an emergency response team volunteer!! BrandyF from Texas.
@tomfoil55902 жыл бұрын
I work not far from where you are, at GE Aviation in Hooksett. I remember when this accident happened. I believe I first heard about it on Facebook. So sad for the young pilot involved.
@jamesroddy82382 жыл бұрын
@@tomfoil5590 I’ve backed into that dock many times over the years. Right there in the industrial park?
@tomfoil55902 жыл бұрын
@@jamesroddy8238 yup. Small world huh?
@Okie-00-Spool2 жыл бұрын
Man oh man, these CVRs, even the transcripts, get my blood-pressure up. I'm glad the '97 crew survived. I was surprised when you said that. Sorry for the loss in Manchester. Thanks for another great video, Juan.
@seandelaney17002 жыл бұрын
No kidding, the "15 seconds of terror" just gets you going, can hardly believe they made it...just.
@avistar96642 жыл бұрын
A SA226 is single pilot 135 approved. I was an operator and was strong on the similulator training and induced mulitple emergencies. I've had experienced pilots just get up from his seat and quit during a high stress training session on two occasions. That airplane is a HANDFUL without having an emergency. In this situation, I believe he was at power-lever-idle reducing airspeed descending into icing conditions. At the point of introducing power, the engines were not advancing in power as expected. The demand for engine accelerations was inhibited by ice buildup in the air intake not allowing enought air to advance power demand. My thought is he hit the ground with both power levers firewalled. The engines would flame under those conditions. The NTS is adjustable and some adjust for more flatter pitch for aircraft slowdown. If this were the case, it would have aggrivated the situatiion. I landed in Muskeegan one night with an opening in the air inlet on a 226 no larger than a baseball while running high power on approach.... I operated 6 of these airplanes and was glad to get rid of them....so sorry for that young fellow and his family!
@gordonrichardson29722 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your useful insights!
@peteyou23252 жыл бұрын
I think your analysis is spot on. For whatever reason, the pilot was in to much of a hurry.
@lbowsk2 жыл бұрын
If that's the case, why would you fly in icing conditions with ENG AI off? This makes zero sense. For those who don't know, the intakes on the Garrets are heated using hot bleed air to prevent ice from accumulating on the intakes. And the leading edges of the props are also heated using AC-powered electrical elements. Your second line of defense is running the engines with the Ignition on. I flew it in Mid-Atlantic winters for two years without issue. In icing conditions, you turn inlet heat on prior to entering icing conditions. Zero ice will accumulate on the intakes.
@77thTrombone2 жыл бұрын
Refer to a separate thread started by "RJS Three" (friend & colleague of pilot on this A/C) on this video.
@paulgilliland29922 жыл бұрын
This is absolutely shocking what your saying about the complete dereliction of duty from the FAA.
@tihspidtherekciltilc54692 жыл бұрын
If they're vaxxed and masked they shouldn't have anything to worry about or is that now wrong and that's a serious question as I gave up on keeping track.
@openphoto2 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt that mean you could "fail" the checkride multiple times and only submit video for one good flight??
@57Jimmy2 жыл бұрын
Actually, pictures have been circulating online about the new FAA office cubicles and dress code….. They look just like Ostrich’s with their heads in the sand 😂
@phillee28142 жыл бұрын
@@RRRIBEYE Along with most other "western" style governments.
@frmphxaz842 жыл бұрын
Pilots are dying, but hey, at least some fedboi wont catch a nasty cough...
@keithirtenkauf55632 жыл бұрын
Juan, I’m not a pilot, but your videos and your insights about aviating, as well as your technical and mechanical explanations are fascinating and very educational. I have a much greater appreciation for everything that pilots, crews, controllers deal with keeping all of us safe. Keep up the fantastic work! R.I.P. to this young pilot. Thoughts and prayers with his family and friends.
@m118lr2 жыл бұрын
…Amen
@alanmydland52102 жыл бұрын
thats why they majes the big bucks!!!! hahahaha
@jakejacobs75842 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan for another nice job. Item one, I am sorry for not being around anymore at AA to help out. I gave a 75/76 R-18 on 1/10/2020 and fully expected to be back the next day. Two and a half weeks later I left the hospital and haven't flown or been back to work since. Miss it. Item two. I flew F/O on the early metros for Commuter Airlines in Binghampton NY in the very late 70's early 80's. I think it was the model 1, short wings, small engines with jato assist. What a pig that thing was. It was a challenge to handle on one engine empty never mind with 19 pax, bags and freight. The old San Antonio Sewer pipe had a very high wing loading, 45/1 comes to mind. Our chief pilot got one to the ground gear up at Broome County airport in icing conditions stating that had he lowered the gear they wouldn't have made it to the airport. Back then they had big "Spade" doors on the back of the gear legs. We always thought the jatos were just to get you to the scene of the accident faster. Lastly one of your other viewers commented on how easy this thing was to slow down and that is so true. Watched my captain stay even with a concord on parallel approaches to 31L and R at Kennedy and still land on the numbers and on speed. The Jetstream was the same way (same engine) Have crossed the O/M at 5000 afl and had to add power to make the runway, in training of course... Thoughts and prayers for this young man's family and may we lose no more young men to such things...
@shenandoahhills72632 жыл бұрын
Commuter out of Binghamton was one of the first to get the Metro. The Metro 1 had round cabin windows while the 2 and later models had square ones. The Jato only provided about 300 lbs of thrust, so it was said that the "smoke trail" only marked the scene of the accident. The original Garret -3 engines had problems with degraded power, 10% was allowed, but often it was much greater than that due to excessive compressor stage wear. That problem was not corrected until they came out with the -10 and -13 engines with a revised compressor section. With the new engine variant, 248 kts indicated below 10,000 feet was easily available.
@jakejacobs75842 жыл бұрын
@@shenandoahhills7263 Yes, you had to bend at the waist to see out of the cabin seat windows and the noise level in the cockpit and cabin was horrendous.
@rkflin2 жыл бұрын
Jato assist? You did not fly the Merlin. You are a fake. Have you ever heard of COWI? If not get the F off this channel and quit being a pretender.
@shenandoahhills72632 жыл бұрын
@@rkflin The Metroliner was different than the Merlin. The Merlin was a shorter corporate aircraft while the Metroliner was a 19 seat commuter variant. Scenic Airlines out of Las Vegas ordered 5 Metro 2's all equipped with the Jato option. They were tail numbers 61SA, 62SA, 63SA, 64SA, 65SA. Three of those aircraft went to Sunaire out of Palm Spring where they joined 36M which was an early Metro 1. The Jato consisted of a single bottle mounted in the tail cone. I believe the option was later discontinued as it did little for single engine performance and added unnecessary weight to the aircraft.
@jakejacobs75842 жыл бұрын
@@rkflin Who were you referring to?
@turnerator212 жыл бұрын
I used to fly the Mitsubishi MU2 with the same engines. The Continuous Ignition system at the time had a duty cycle which limited its use to 5 minutes on and 5 minutes off. Therefore, when entering icing conditions, you would only have the system on for one engine at a time, which, at least in theory, would prevent both engines from flaming out at the same time. I remember one time having an engine flame out in icing conditions and it re-lit as soon as I turned the continuous ignition on (luckily). Never gave it a second thought until now. Thanks for the videos. I always find them to be very informative and a must-watch.
@Kevin_7472 жыл бұрын
I flew the Merlin early in my career. Very busy airplane in a single pilot scenario. I had an in flight shutdown due to a chip light. Lets just say I'm glad it was VFR wx and a nice long runway, they're a handful on a good night. I kept those 331's heated up. The wings had boots that sometimes worked. Sorry for the young pilots demise. These types of flying jobs are always going to be out there. Even for a company with a good reputation and well maintained aircraft it takes a pilot with a special kind of grit to survive. I spent four and a half years doing it before the airlines came calling. I consider myself lucky to have lasted that long, there were many accidents. Single pilot 135 night freight is as tough as it gets.
@davidschwartz51272 жыл бұрын
I don't understand, if these night flights are so dangerous to the pilots and plane they are equally dangerous to the people and property on the ground they fly over with the odds of a crush like you are suggesting why does the FAA and the plane life ensures let this continue.
@philipjamesparsons2 жыл бұрын
…..due to the FAA wearing two hats, regulating the industry and promoting it. Common sense is that wearing two hats does not work. Which hat do you think they wear most?
@Kevin_7472 жыл бұрын
@@philipjamesparsons Which hat? Neither one. They don't wear hats sitting in their cubicles.
@rowerwet2 жыл бұрын
@@davidschwartz5127 it's a small segment of the flying world. Not quite as accident prone as crop dusters, but one that operates on a narrow profit margin which has kept the freight market running old aircraft that are less expensive to acquire, but more expensive to keep airworthy. It's a job that runs mostly on the dark side of the clock, and is seen as a stepping stone or right of passage to build time and get on to a better job. You have older, less forgiving aircraft, often with glitchy issues that are never entirely solved by maintenance, and low time pilots. Also the mechanics tend to be guys just out of school. I worked for an operator like this for 14 years as a mechanic. In that time with a fairly large fleet we had only one fatal crash. They happen, but still at a low enough rate that insurers don't cut them off. We actually bought out an operator that had 6 crashes in 18 months, they ceased operations when their insurance cut them off.
@collinreesejones55252 жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTELY LOVE Juan, as I am a commercial pilot he is so much more impressive communicating than I could ever be! Keep up the great work and prayers for that awesome young man.... 😢
@RoseSharon77772 жыл бұрын
I dont have the mental capabilities to come close to being a pilot. I'd have a nervous breakdown on the taxi way. RIP to the young man. Very sad.
@martintheiss40382 жыл бұрын
I am always appreciative of Juan and his good descriptions of safe flying and safe procedures. I am also pleased he like his friend "Peter the Swede" that he does not take check flights lightly nor is disrespectful of basic flying proceedures.
@KevinW8BRY2 жыл бұрын
Very sad situation. I can't believe the part of the video when you are discussing the FAA and them having Pilot's video for their check ride. Thanks for sharing that one. This information is appalling. I realize this is a 135 operation different from my upcoming private pilot check ride but wow! Prayers to his family. Thanks as always for the high caliber content and discussion.
@stevenbeach7482 жыл бұрын
I fly 135 and never heard of that video checkride. I’m not saying it isn’t true but our FSDO doesn’t do it.
@philmaryamoore92512 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Juan; I was a Metro engineer for many years in New Zealand, freight flights at night but always TWO pilots as it was considered that there was too much for one pilot to do if there were any abnormals!
@meofnz23202 жыл бұрын
Aha! Except when we were repositioning them; I did a few single pilot. I remember during training getting a V1 cut at MTOW out of AKL one night; it actually performed quite well with the NTS nibbling away.
@RealRickCox2 жыл бұрын
My brother used to fly cargo in the Metro... these guys are usually just trying to build enough multi-engine / complex hours so they can get hired on at a regional airline. They're paid (barely) minimum wage and put in impossible conditions... something needs to be done to improve safety. Perhaps mandating a co-pilot would be a good start.
@fazole2 жыл бұрын
They operate under single pilot in PT 135, but some of these companies allowed pilots to PAY for right seat time in the past. I don't know about today. When airlines started hiring at 300 hrs, I thought the sketchy freight haulers would go out of business for good.
@RealRickCox2 жыл бұрын
@@fazole Wow. It's bad enough that they barely pay these pilots enough to cover food and gas - let alone rent in bigger cities. I've never heard of them CHARGING a pilot to fly right seat. These companies will stop at nothing to get better than free labor. Disgusting.
@stefaan7152 жыл бұрын
@@RealRickCox delivery for free. That's where it all starts. I guess we're all guilty.
@duanequam77092 жыл бұрын
Well there you go again, trying to make us understand what you could face on any given day. Just outstanding Juan. Your the perfect reason that I chose to be a passenger not a pilot. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and you family.
@57Jimmy2 жыл бұрын
Geeze Juan, you must have been a scoutmaster telling spooky stories around a campfire! Wow, you make it feel like we are right there with them! My jaw hit the floor when I heard how young this (qualified) pilot was and THEN a single pilot on this handful of aircraft when it all goes bad with no room and no time to save it. Truly a sad day for everyone…
@JohnSmith-bm3sl2 жыл бұрын
I worked at a commuter airline in the early 80’s. Short story. We had metro on final to St Louis in IFR conditions with icing. Both engines failed on short final after clearing the clouds and in warmer air. It was found that ice formed on the engine nose cones ( not heated) and broke off into the engine inlets blocking the airflow and caused both engines to flameout. Landed safely. Our aircraft were modified to have continuous ignition auto turn on if N1 dropped below 90%.
@toddfleury73242 жыл бұрын
I flew Metro 3’s and 23’s for a commuter in Canada from 99 to 04. Everything was two pilots and we were all pretty experienced back then. I’d much rather fly a 737 single pilot than the Metroliner! It was a fun airplane but pretty busy and the couple autopilot equipped tails we had were almost useless especially with an aft cg. Poor kid had the deck stacked against him there. What an industry.
@turbopropsandtailpipes76542 жыл бұрын
PAG or BLS?
@toddfleury73242 жыл бұрын
@@turbopropsandtailpipes7654 JV
@turbopropsandtailpipes76542 жыл бұрын
@@toddfleury7324 Good chance I was one of your regular pax between YFO-YQD-YWG during that time.
@toddfleury73242 жыл бұрын
@@turbopropsandtailpipes7654 cool I was yqt based so mostly went East. But did that Flin Flon run occasionally. Hope you kept most of your hearing if you were riding in the back on the regular. You remember that YRL JV wreck ?
@turbopropsandtailpipes76542 жыл бұрын
@@toddfleury7324 Hahaha I'm sure it's claimed some of my hearing. Also spent quite a bit of time around them and the MU-2 on the YQT ramp. I do remember the crash in YRL, knew the FO on that one, and was volunteering with NOASARA at the time.
@n7565j2 жыл бұрын
My old instructor used to fly checks, (back in the 90's), at night in a Chieftan... 2KC, (Two Killer Chicken, I'll never foget it ;-) We flew into Rochester NY one night following a 737 and we were gaining on him on the glideslope!! They really push those a/c to the limit, (and beyond), they get every ounce of performance out of those a/c!!! The night controllers know how they operate, know they are REALLY good pilots, and they trust each other!! But, it only takes one serious issue to bring the whole system down... I heard of a Baron pilot who went to add flaps and only one side deployed!!! He said the controller cleared him to do anything he needed to do NOT to hit the tower he was headed for!!! He said he had a instructor tell him, " if something bad happens, immediately UNDO the last thing you did!!!" He said that advice saved his life!!!
@asteverino85692 жыл бұрын
Your illustration had me on the edge of my jump-seat. Rest in Peace lost pilot man.
@SI-lg2vp2 жыл бұрын
Merlin's have a big annunciator panel above the center panel. It includes deice equipment function. The engine ignitors can be heard over the pilots headsets. It's crazy to enter icing conditions without checking engine inlet heat, and ignitors with the Garrett 331 engine. Loss of an engine with full flaps and gear down the airplane is a rock. The flight controls is like steering a truck without power steering. True you had hold high speed to the outer marker and still slow enough to land but why do it flying at night in IMC conditions?
@tgmccoy15562 жыл бұрын
This is insane. flat insane. GOPRO? being an old freight ape, and flew in all kinds of weather, I cannot fathom this.. I have PT 6 experience. No Garretts. "Lord, guard and guide, those who fly in our great spaces in the sky, protect them always in the air in storm cloud deep or sunlight fair. "-one version of the Navy Hymn.
@lbowsk2 жыл бұрын
I started out in 1986 on the Fairchild Metro. Essentially a stretch Merlin designed to carry 19 Pax under 135. And I took early out last year as a B777 FO. The covid mess made the job a pain in the ass so I split. I miss it, but not that much. The Merlin was a pretty sweet T-Prop. The gear and flap speeds are very high. This allows you to fly at 250kts in level flight until about 5-6 miles out. Then close the throttles and push the SPEED levers to MAX and it slows from 250 to 200 in a hurry. First notch of flaps is 220 or so as I recall, the second notch is 200 and the gear speed is 186 (?). So while he may have been hauling ass, it's possible to scream in and still reach a reasonably stabilized state by 1000 AGL. The two calls to ATC regarding engine failure were a waste of his time and concentration. Once on final approach, ATC can't do a thing for you. The runway is already yours, and even if it's not, you're likely landing unless you've got everything going for you and decide to go around. But I can't see why you'd want to do that. Regarding NTS, it was something we ALWAYS tested because it was so essential. There is no disconnect between the gearbox and the gas generator as there is on a PT6. The first time you spin the prop by hand you'll realize just how much drag that engine is capable of producing if the NTS fails. Without it, you're in trouble, right now. Of course, it's possible that he lost ONE and pulled the wrong STOP AND FEATHER knob and sealed his fate. Who knows. Regarding IGN, the early Merlins/Metros had LOUSY IGN systems. They did NOT have constant duty ignition systems, they had duty limits. So you had to run one engine for a while, then both, then shut one down for cooling, etc. So, he may NOT have had both of them sparking. It was a terrible setup. The Garrett engine is also fairly intolerant of ingesting water and this makes the IGN very important. Some guys didn't like to use Bleed air ENG A/I because it took a small amount of power and reduced your speed. But his was a misnomer at low altitudes since what really limited you was the 250 knot (below 10K) restriction. So they'd ice up the engine on the descent and then flip on ENG ANTI ICE without FIRST turning on the sparks. The ice melts and goes into the engine.....poof, there goes your engine(s) just like that. Stupid. One crew parked a Metro in a farmer's field (at night) after they flamed 'em both out. Really stupid. This accident is a damn shame. RIP pilot guy, and peace to your family, when and if they can find it. Engine out at night SP must have been a handful.
@jrdepew2 жыл бұрын
Like wise. Did a stint of METRO III 135 scheduled pax service in mid 80’s. Was my first jet/turboprop experience. All training and qualifying took place in the plane late at night. No autopilot, tiny gauges. A heavy handed handful. Icing in the Pacific Northwest was always a concern. The wing was fast and highly loaded. A little ice was a big deal. Went on to 25 years with the 121 airlines retiring 2015 on B777 also. That airplane is more single pilot worthy than the Metro in my opinion. So sad. Just trying to live his dream.
@lbowsk2 жыл бұрын
@@jrdepew I agree with you 100 percent about the 777. The nice thing about the Metro is if you could fly it well, you could probably fly most anything. When I first flew the Metro guys who made it to the majors ahead of me used to tell me that it flew like a 727. Then when I flew the 727 I thought it was easier to fly than the Metro! ;)
@guitarhillbilly14822 жыл бұрын
AKA = "San Antonio Sewer Pipe"
@lbowsk2 жыл бұрын
@@guitarhillbilly1482 AKA "Death Dart"
@77thTrombone2 жыл бұрын
@@lbowsk thanks for the details. Makes grim sense.
@gmcjetpilot2 жыл бұрын
I have 1500 hrs in Fairchild Swearingen Metroliner SA227 in the early 90's, 2 crew Part 135 Passenger commuter. The SA226 is lowered powered short wing version from the last variation the SA227.
@magneticman20032 жыл бұрын
RIP, Juan your description of the metroliner's landing at the end, had me on the edge of my seat, nice work, cheers and Merry Xmas;-))
@darrens.43222 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Captain Juan Browne for very good coverage/early analysis of this tragic event. In Kathryn's Report, it seemed in the comments section some folks had nothing good to say about Castle Air, their culture and management style. This is not an anomaly, unfortunately, in the 135 business, especially freight. The Metroliner II is for sure a hot airplane and has to be flown. Not much wing area out there.
@PapaG6032 жыл бұрын
Thank JB..this happened about 5 miles from my house..sad RIP Mano
@rodneykjerstad2 жыл бұрын
I have thousands of hours in that series of airplanes and I can assure you under certain circumstances the airplane requires 2 well trained human brains to operate safely.
@viperdriver822 жыл бұрын
RIP young man ..... Good on those guys for making it out of that dual engine failure he kept flying, that's the most important thing never give up
@5695q2 жыл бұрын
No hum from the props, sounds like he was in glider mode when he called engine failure.
@SmittySmithsonite2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same.
@Honeybooboo19802 жыл бұрын
sounded that way to me also....out of speed, altitude, time & options sadly 😭
@bradhobbs61962 жыл бұрын
Former 208 here - per your request - on the first transmission, clear engine noise, however, on the final emergency call, no engine noises detected. . .just a whole lot of quiet other than the pilot's voice. I didn't hear either one of them running.
@chetmyers70412 жыл бұрын
After the pilot's voice did you hear just a hint of the "chirping sound" that might be the auto igniters? Happens around time 10:06 ? I think I hear a faint chirping around 10:10 Listening with headphones.
@ruftime2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Juan! 57 year old aircraft……….. All our infrastructure is OLD😱
@rowerwet2 жыл бұрын
Freight is where old aircraft end up when nobody else wants them. Operators buy them for pennies on the dollar and then run them for decades because they don't fly much of the day. Passenger airlines fly each hull almost 20 hours a day on duty, rotating crews as needed. Racking up thousands of hours in a year. Eventually the maintenance down time gets exspensive and more inspections are needed due to age. This is why most airlines run newer equipment and retire it after a decade or two in most cases. I was a freight dog mechanic at our fleet averaged 400 hours each a year, I expect some of those aircraft that are older than me to still be hauling freight after I retire. FedEx is the one company that has bought new light turboprop aircraft for freight, but even some of those aircraft are 25 years old now, and expected to run another 25.
@burkenator2582 жыл бұрын
I was an A&P mechanic for ten years on the SA227 metroliner and I can tell you that every pilot I worked with that flew it, hated being single pilot in it. If it wasn’t poor pressurization, it was fuel quantity issues, nose wheel steering or maybe SRL problems. My heart goes out to this pilot because I know exactly what he was dealing with when flying that aircraft.
@K5RNB2 жыл бұрын
I flew the Merlin III and it can be a handful. Thanks for the time spent on these incidents and your unfettered insight on the current state of aviation.
@tiredagain67222 жыл бұрын
The co pilot on the r4d was the son of a friend of mine. The pic was the company owner. I showed my friend your video and he told me he didn't realize just how close he was to losing his son.
@blancolirio2 жыл бұрын
He should move on to a different outfit....
@RealRickCox2 жыл бұрын
I'll go out on a limb here and say the pilot was aware of the icing conditions and flew faster and higher than normal to minimize the engine exposure to the icing. Ultimately, the engines both iced up and failed and there wasn't anything the pilot could do to make it to the runway. What will be interesting to know is if the pilot engaged the ignition override or if other anti-icing systems were engaged. Not sure if these airplanes have boots... but I'd bet this accident was caused by weather and/or pilot error in engaging the anti-ice systems.
@rowerwet2 жыл бұрын
They have boots, prop heat etc, and still collect ice, 14 year freight dog mechanic at MHT
@vwgolfer18732 жыл бұрын
ill never forget working at BWI GA side a young man that flew MU-2's at night for bank of America going up to Pennsylvania and back all night crashed on final approach on his last run as i watched it freaked me out for a long time to see that 200 feet in front of you and here its almost 20 yr later. those pilots who work for cargo and etc fly those routes back and forth all night in the most not so safe planes its always sad to see this stuff happen rip.
@moleisrich12 жыл бұрын
I used to fly out of BWI and I flew an mU2 as well. Nothing to do with that but yea that plane will get you if you are not on top of it. Peace
@rkflin2 жыл бұрын
You are so right. I was a Lear 35 guy for JetSpeed and Bankair around 1996. I have met so many pilots flying 310s and Mu-2s that have very bad icing encounters. I wanted them to come along with us to learn they didn't have to fly this BS. I'm tired of these pilots dying because of the DOLLAR. Tired of it! There are so many good kids coming up through the system that just need more experience. They don't need a QUICK ground school. They need experienced pilots to talk to them and give them the cues. As an experienced 121 Captain, I get cues, and when I get them, I get out of the situation in my over-powered airplane. Captains and experienced pilots...We have entered a period where we need to step up and help. All it takes is one major accident. Let's help wherever we can.
@johnfry90102 жыл бұрын
You reading that script was very scary , so glad they survived !
@johnmuth96672 жыл бұрын
I have had thousands of hours in the metro/ merlin and love the aircraft. Flying without an autopilot is a task, but when equipped with an a/p it is fast and everything happens. Flying down the length of Nevada at midnight single pilot no a/p was not fun. I have flown on a single engine before, but it was high noon.
@nealthompson28052 жыл бұрын
My gut says the high ground speed was as a result of the very large weather system that was driving very fast winds aloft from the southwest to northeast last weekend. I flew from Louisiana to NYC last Saturday morning and had 135kts on the tail. These winds stayed fairly high down to about 2,000 AGL, if memory serves.
@mpsangha2 жыл бұрын
Zero excuse for the FAA staying in their office due to the CV.... Hey, I work a job in a plant with thousands of workers, been going outside in the public almost everyday since May 2020. Let's all be real here, this is getting blown out of proportion, people need to go back to normal and anything that requires in person inspection or checks, should be done.
@fazole2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how many are even in the office, but are working from "home" on some beach.
@alanmydland5210 Жыл бұрын
Anything to not go-to work
@korrdavl2 жыл бұрын
@blancolirio Sorry to hear of the loss of another pilot, always respectfully and professionally reported. But man, I teared up you reading that CVR log thinking these are their final words only to hear "These guys survived".
@johnd86892 жыл бұрын
Beautifully and simply explained Juan. Thank you for your great work in aviation which will definitely save lives.
@kymw78332 жыл бұрын
Juan another sad outcome for aviation thank God there are guys like you in the industry evaluating these incidents ,it's very obvious that pilots need to be very clear thinkers especially when issue,s start unfolding ,I've learned so much from your posts I have the greatest respect for all pilots and the maintenance engineers that keep us all travelling safely . Well done WALSHY Adelaide
@ACEMAN692 жыл бұрын
I have about 1800 hrs on the SA226/7’s single and dual pilot ops, but 20 years ago, what I remember is that you,unlike the PT6, you cannot slam the power levers closed and always need positive torque on the garrets , somewhere around 10-12%, you slow down with configuration and it slows fast ( you could do 240kias to 5nm) . Slamming the levers closed with activate the NTS, you will have momentary flame out. Sad accident but a lovely plane to fly. I agree the last transmission is void of engine noise, those Garrets are loud.
@Kevlux862 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that reading, Juan. Chilling!
@weofnjieofing2 жыл бұрын
What a great review Juan! It now appears it was dusk engine by how fast the speed deteriorated. Merlin’s may be a handful but they are built like tanks and super fast. The Garrett’s are super efficient and as you mentioned have fantastic throttle response compared to the PT6. They also have a much longer TBO of 5000 hours v 3600 for pf6. I hope they find out what went wrong. Tragic to have this outcome.
@c1d2e2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this report. I flew Jetstream J31’s (same engines) for a west coast regional in the nineties and had a engine flame out descending into CIC for the ILS one dark stormy night. We’re picking up ice and suspect a chunk came off the spinner and was ingested into the left engine. The continuous ignition was on so it relight almost instantly but we both looked at each other with that look! A dual engine flameout is very hard to understand here, one thing is both engines were probably at flight idle for some time while he was trying to slow down. The intakes on the 331 are tiny, like the size of a softball, doesn’t take much to snuff it out.
@railroad90002 жыл бұрын
Once again, a clear concise report of what possibly happened, Juan. Us non aviation types appreciate your knowledge
@FlyBendy2 жыл бұрын
Tanks Juan, for another insightful video. Firstly my condolences to family and friends of the young pilot who perished. You asked about the background noise in the final radio transmission from the aircraft. I have 7 years and 2300 hours time operating the TPE331 (in my case they were installed on a C441) and i can confirm your suspicion that there was no engine noise evident in the background of the final call. You could clearly hear background engine noise in the previous calls - and I can personally vouch for the fact that if there are any TPE331s running in the vicinity, you will hear them!!! The NTS (Negative Torque Sensing) System does not actually feather the props, it simply drives the blades into a coarser position (to reduce drag) - This is NOT an auto feather system (as fitted to aircraft equipped with PT6 engines). So it becomes IMPERATIVE to actually feather the prop on a failed engine to achieve any glide performance at all. Early indications support your theory of both engines icing up and failing to respond when called upon after glideslope intercept.
@leokimvideo Жыл бұрын
It makes you appreciate the amazing PT6 engine even more
@alanmydland5210 Жыл бұрын
Garrett's are great for the day, pt6s are later generation and still quit at times, don't get all warm and fuzzy🤣 turbine failure rate about 276,00 per failure I believe
@Craigjordan1217 ай бұрын
Not even a failure if it’s a flame out. Wonder if he put the ignitors on immediately could he have caught it….
@darrens.43222 жыл бұрын
Minor adjustment: NTS= Negative Torque Sensing and that is the system for sure.
@jackharris46972 жыл бұрын
On Thursday I was standing next to the left wing of an OLD MERLIN, and looking at the age and kind of shape the airplane was in and talking to the 2- 23 year old that where flying this Merlin , I felt so sad for them for being a crew on this Merlin aircraft.
@beaterstang08982 жыл бұрын
I’m currently flying the SA-227, 135 night freight. Sometimes I have an FO sometimes I don’t. Either way they are a handful, my sim training was the hardest thing I’ve done in aviation thus far, and had me questioning my choice to fly a Metro at times. In the last audio clip it sounded like a dual engine failure. These planes are very old, tired, and sometimes poorly maintained. RIP to my fellow freight dog.
@arnenelson44952 жыл бұрын
Wow that was intense! Thank you Juan, great reporting as usual.
@todddembsky83212 жыл бұрын
God Rest with you my brother. Prayers for the souls he left behind.
@matthewclark90122 жыл бұрын
Prayers for the family of this pilot. With your knowledge, expertise, and critical thinking skills, Juan you should be working at the NTSB, or FAA. Another great video!
@todddembsky83212 жыл бұрын
@@jerryeinstandig7996 You poor unfortunate soul. You poor unfortunate LOST soul. Merry Christmas Scrooge.
@blancolirio2 жыл бұрын
UPDATE 12/18 new home security cam footage: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rtShpaVyl5_Sipc.html
@yan41742 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this episode of aviation educational session. R.I.P to the pilot who lost his live in the accident. Enjoyed the moment of you reading the cockpit conversation record. It's like creating a mental film following your vivid reiterating of what happened in the other airplane that suffered dual engine failure.
@miker28592 жыл бұрын
I flew MU-2’s for years prior to my 121 career flying cancelled checks when that was a thing, way back in the day with the TPE331 in the late 90’s. The sound sounds like the NTS was starting to feather the prop, but the NTS only feathers it to about 80%. You have to beta follow up (push the power lever forward, not back like most failed engine procedures) the failed engine to fully feather it and quickly or things get nasty very quickly. Cowl heat and igniters are crucial prior to entering ANY icing conditions. TPE have such a cowl design that ice builds up quickly and any icing on the nose of the MU2 was also a concern as it had a tendency to fly into the inlet (so leave ignitors on even after leaving icing conditions was our procedure at that time). Not sure if the nose on the Merlin has the same issue. Some of the most rewarding flying I ever did, but lost a few friends in this type of flying. This was fun, challenging and constantly in the yellow type of flying, but I loved it. Best job I ever had.
@skipwood20592 жыл бұрын
Good narrative, Juan. So much data to be acquired on this for further discussion. The NTSB is good on equipment failure vs. crew issues. Initial engine ops will be out soon. Crew issues may take a while.
@TIO540S12 жыл бұрын
I fly a TPE331-10 equipped C441. NTS is actually “negative torque sensing. And yes, it’s called “ignition override“ and it isn’t automatic with engine anti-ice activation. NTS check is done in every preflight.
@InSearchOfReality2 жыл бұрын
The sound you hear in the background of the final radio call is the igniters. I would guess that (like the C441 I used to fly) the auto-ignition (if installed) would sometimes come on when the power levers were brought to flight idle, in flight, otherwise you can manually turn them on for flight in icing conditions, heavy rain or wet runway landings. Engine anti-ice & ignition would be turned on prior to entering icing conditions.
@hotttt282 жыл бұрын
Metroliners single ops scary in the best of times !
@dcxplant2 жыл бұрын
I flew a Merlin IIIb for a couple of years. To say it was a "handful" is an understatement. Garretts are unforgiving if you forget to put on anti-ice. I've had a Garrett NTS on me, but I experienced audio exclusion during the event. I identified the failed engine with a combination of rudder and engine gages. During my engine failure, the NTS'ing of the engine was very pronounced causing a mild dutch roll with a pronounced yaw oscillation. This was very different than in the simulator.
@surveyore72 жыл бұрын
Living inside of50NM of KMHT, Boston-Manchester Metro I was aware this 'accident' occurred. You mentioned how the FAA now 'hides in their cubicles'... I hadn't thought of that nor the seemingly useless 'Go-Pro' video for 'check rides'. I did think that a 23yo attempting a nighttime landing with an engine(s?) out would be difficult under daylight conditions, never mind 'icing' and nighttime. Seems that due to unnecessary implemented 'restrictions' another should've been added. This should've been a 2 Pilot operation, and actually one with a lot more familiarity with this aircraft. A young man died needlessly!
@hposnansky42222 жыл бұрын
This is the best compact teaching documentation to present to aspiring professional pilots: the fundamental differences in operating twins with the different turbine engines, as well as the special case of manually operating the engine controller on the PC 12 , some time ago. Thank you Juan !
@Jonnydeerhunter2 жыл бұрын
Castle is based at my home airport. I have Friends who have flown for them and acquaintances that currently do. This one hit home for sure when I heard about it last week. My prayers are still with the friends and Family of the lost pilot. We were close in age...
@peterdegroff73182 жыл бұрын
Caldwell was where JFK Jr. took off from that fateful flight in July 1999.
@domeniclafauci6242 жыл бұрын
Footage of this crash at the end of this comment: Drove down to the scene of this before work, but it was blocked. This one is tough, for multiple reasons. I flew single-pilot, twin-turbine for Wiggins (cargo) out of MHT for a year. The 99 was a good airplane, but any abnormalities increased your workload substantially. I knew of one Pilot who went to Ameriflight and mentioned that the Metro was a lot to handle, it seems like it’s built a reputation for difficult single-pilot operations when issues arise. Coming from flight instruction into the single-pilot turbine world, there always seemed to be plenty to learn, and you had to learn “it” quick. Looking at some photos that were sent to me from the crash-site (and after looking at this video,) there are signatures that would suggest that this was a Vmc/stall-spin type of accident. I always hate making any sort of accusation before an NTSB report is released, but so much of the information is out there now. After going through the DOT/FAA Accident Investigator Program, we were taught about crash signatures and what it could tell us. The fact that there was little debris when the fire crews arrived indicates that this was a high-speed crash (likely vertical speed.) The elevator was slightly up, and the rudder was deflected in the direction of the failed engine (signifying the roll towards the dead engine.) The Pilot also mentioning that there was an engine failure, while he was likely in a “dirty” configuration likely left him little time to react. I’ve also been told that Metroliner VMCs are somewhere upwards of 104 knots for VMC certification, for his possible configuration on short final, we can imagine it was higher than that. Also, I was up late that night when it happened, and recall light ice-like precipitation hitting my window. It wasn’t great weather that night, and it would be difficult to tell from the remaining debris of ice had accumulated on the wings, inlet, etc. during the approach. Here is the video: www.tiktok.com/@plane_dude/video/7041009043518901550?_d=secCgwIARCbDRjEFSACKAESPgo8UTdnFfglnNKOqppk8F6BRjwz5KmrrNNhECmIRR81G4kaShwqn4fR0kksz40UDp9h%2FZjPuGrFDT8IpGQ0GgA%3D&checksum=7b7e7bad30edcb30990d7668a412c5766d4a27ea54a7350fa668b53e34aab465&language=en&preview_pb=0&sec_user_id=MS4wLjABAAAAPHYNwUuJUQz72Nr0u8O-m61iwoKALGSkSc5gtw4F2tcVt5lrLQMCGWeGVa5Zs-8R&share_app_id=1233&share_item_id=7041009043518901550&share_link_id=687C5C6E-A991-4252-8945-E6BE6B8AEA54&source=h5_m×tamp=1639448762&tt_from=copy&u_code=2g31j108776c0&user_id=59201777044049920&_r=1
@billfraser97312 жыл бұрын
Since you are familiar with the airport , Could he of landed offsite on the Everett Turnpike? The only chance for a survivable outcome is an offsite landing is a north south highway (Everett Turnpike) 1-2 miles from the airport which he crossed at 400-500 feet but I think even Bob Hoover would find that almost impossible to pull off. Coming up short on runway 06 is not survivable.BTW, This problem happened when he was only 4 miles out, 2 minutes from landing.
@seriouscat22312 жыл бұрын
Video unavailable. Either I am doing something wrong or it expired.
@domeniclafauci6242 жыл бұрын
It was taken down this week
@schecter6l62 жыл бұрын
Young pilot in a twin engine turbo has his hands full! Anything goes south during takeoff and landings the workload becomes enormous in a short period of time. These accidents are some of the most violent here on the earth and could not imagine the horror this poor kid went through during his last remaining breadths. God Bless these brave Aviators!
@markg.42462 жыл бұрын
Before there was a pilot shortage, airfreight companies were flying "Metro's" single pilot. The company I worked for lost a young man, departing FWA, at night, single pilot. (2001?) The immediate reaction was to add an F.O. which increased overall safety. But...here we are AGAIN!
@gladiraider37502 жыл бұрын
Great reporting Juan love all your updates
@BrilliantDesignOnline2 жыл бұрын
"These guys survived" WOW! and,I had no idea about GoPro checkrides.
@speedlever2 жыл бұрын
This was also the first I heard of Go-Pro checkrides. Unbelievable.
@jetblast1412 жыл бұрын
Perhaps one of the most prominent examples of the the the Swearingen Merlin’s susceptibility to engine failure due to inlet icing is the crash of N500AK while on approach to Tri-Cities Regional Airport in Blountville Tennessee. This was the crash that killed 1992 NASCAR champion Alan Kulwicki. The investigation determined that probable cause of the accident was the pilot's failure to operate the engine inlet anti-ice system properly. Great video as always and thank you for all of the great insight and information.
@kruelunusual62422 жыл бұрын
I remember watching Alan Kulwicku win at Bristol in 92…1993 was a rough year in racing with drivers and aircraft…
@codylapoint2 жыл бұрын
Yes I was crushed when Davey Allison died. I was only 9 years old, but I watched him every Sunday for years before that happened.
@fly4doe22 жыл бұрын
Your most compelling video yet. The readback of the dual pilot crash transcript was riveting and informative with side comments.
@tscott68432 жыл бұрын
“Come on sweetheart, glide on in.” When you read that, your voice gave me chills. I felt connected more than if I was reading the transcript.
@todaylets25832 жыл бұрын
What a nightmare for this pilot. RIP young man.
@nancychace86192 жыл бұрын
Good discussion. I'm no expert, but I do know that sometimes it's more prudent to scrap a flight and wait for a better day, especially if icing involved. Sometimes discretion can be the better part of valor. Sorry for this loss. RIP.
@jameshayward85332 жыл бұрын
Yeah, not in the world of small operator night freight. Close friend of mine was flying night freight out of ATL many years ago in a SEL. During his company acceptance flight, the company chief pilot showed him the destination LAAP. The chief pilot then used a magic marker and crossed out the MAP and told my friend, we don't do those here! When your building time, it's tough and dangerous out there.
@chuckeberth43702 жыл бұрын
Another excellent and informative report Juan. Prayers to the pilots family.
@DouglasMD902 жыл бұрын
Excellent review and interpretation. Whatever the cause was, single pilot operations on such aircraft at night with all the operational pressure surrounding us is not were we should be. Thanks for your efforts in promiting safety.👍👍🏆
@cliffh84862 жыл бұрын
“Shortage” or shortage of “free cheap pilots” or better yet ones that will pay for hours in multi turbine? Like ameriflight did for a while?
@Happyheartmatt2 жыл бұрын
Juan! Great work thank you.
@davidcastleton17672 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy listening to your expert analysis of these events. You have a good idea of ‘the probable cause’ already. Keep up the good work. It’s hugely appreciated.
@philipjamesparsons2 жыл бұрын
Single pilot IFR at night in a Merlin or Metro is as tough as aviation gets. I've done night freight for 14 years. The company I used to fly for would push us to fly clean, 230kts to 4 miles, always. They did have a change of heart when they realised how fast things can go wrong when you are doing that kind of stuff. No manufacturer would suggest flying their product in such a way.
@billfraser97312 жыл бұрын
Ironically, if he flew 230 to 4 miles , he would of made the airport. Looks like he just came up 500 yards short and fell like a rock when both engines flamed out. He was at 222 @ 2200 at FAF and 30 seconds prior was at 264 kts, refer to the radar hits on Juan ads-b link. He radio'd "engine problem' when he was 4 miles out at 1700 going 196
@philipjamesparsons2 жыл бұрын
@@billfraser9731 Very interesting, good analysis. I wonder if flying a fast approach made it harder to deal with the engine failure? Certainly, idling the engines for such a long period seems to have caused it to happen in the first place.
@johngoscinski19952 жыл бұрын
I was just surmising that after pushing the speed he might have finished getting the plane dirtied up and actually needed to add power, and when he did, ice loosened by low level temps, or other conditions sucked in. Just seemed like it happened so fast, and no stretch to the glide, so probably all dirty by that point.
@billfraser97312 жыл бұрын
@@philipjamesparsons I agree that's exactly how he flew it. Initially, I was baffled how fast he flew it and decent. Some call it a slam dunk approach but that makes sense if he was trying to get down fast thru juicy icy clouds. The other thing (from your post) some recommend keeping speed as the plane slows down easy. He got it all set up and then added power to main desired airspeed and it wasn't there. One hero play, which only Bob Hoover the famed test pilot, could pull off was to put it down off site on a north / south highway which he crossed at 400 ft. This is be a big stretch , if he declared Mayday and the tower knowing the area, suggested it. Once he passed the highway, his fate was sealed
@heywoodjablowmeagain94272 жыл бұрын
I flew these single pilot, back in the ‘80’s. Had a buddy that lost an engine on short final, due to igniters not being on. Ended up in a snow bank. Wasn’t hurt. Lucky.
@nigelalderman91782 жыл бұрын
This video was too good. Shan't watch the accident investigations for a while. Very good video, you've reached a new level.
@r.p.31922 жыл бұрын
Stopped breathing whilst listening to your radio conversation read-back… stressed the living daylights out of me as I once experienced a dual engine out during a night approach whilst flying a smaller twin… Thank God I was able to solve the problem before buying the farm… man I was shaken.