I’m a doctor and we suffer from the same disease as lawyers- I’m a great doctor/lawyer therefore I’m a great pilot”- it just don’t work that way unfortunately

Always a pleasure to watch and listen to your analysis. Sad accident. Hopefully something to learn from it. Thanks, Juan.

This happened only 50 miles from where I live. The local news covered it immediately as it happened. I learned more from you from across the country then we will ever learn from the local news. Thank you for the service you provide.

In reference to Bobby Garcia ......... I highly recommend that any attorney or doctor group that needs an aircraft for business, hire a professional pilot to fly your aircraft. If you can afford a multi million dollar aircraft, pay $50 to $100K per year for a pilot to get you to and from home safely. Even if you want to fly your own plane, great. Just hire a safety pilot to fly in the right seat as an insurance policy.

I so much appreciate having found both your and Victor’s channel - almost at the same time, about a year ago - because between the two of you one gets the best information, delivered in the best and professional way possible, and with heart too. So glad to see two such great channels collaborating (or at least that you Juan is using Victor’s great content while giving us the explanations for what’s happening and/or your thoughts on it). Thank you, you really are one of the best channels on YT.

When KZfaq demonetises a video I really hope they stop all adverts on that post as well.

VASAviation and your annotations make for a really insightful video - again. Thanks to both of you.

Great reporting Juan, Thank You. When this lawyer crashed he had issues.

VAS aviation is awesome, I enjoy listening to his channel too. Thank you Juan, your coverage is always right to the point and accurate.

Thank you Juan, I've been hoping you'd provide a video on this accident. I read an article in the Buffalo News earlier where Richard Barnes, the dad to the passenger Elizabeth and brother to the pilot talks about his grief after learning from others in their law firm that his brothers plane went down and he had to tell those people that his daughter was also onboard. Thanks again for your reporting. Thoughts and prayers to all the family members friends connected to this accident.

This is getting crazy all the accidents going home for the last couple of months, thanks for the report Juan. God bless you.

I always enjoy your videos and with this one hitting close to home, thank you ! From someone who doesn't know much about planes, you have explained it so that us common folk can understand.

Thank you Juan. Good point about the lawyers! Great report!

Thanks Juan, Great Update. Sounds like a true accident where a pilot was operating well outside his skills and knowledge, thanks

Thank you for all the good info you put out.

You make the information so simple to understand thank you Juan once again

Really appreciating the info.

"Stop your decent, level your wings, maintain any altitude" OMG, that's haunting. The controller knew.

Thanks Juan! Always look forward to your insightful post!

The more I learn the more complicated it seems. Pilots have a so many responsibilities that they are required to calmly do almost automatically without errors. Just AMAZING!!!!! Great reporting as usual JB

This is great info, thank you Juan!

BTW, love the channel and good to hear you’re healthy!

Juan, I just wanted to drop you a note of thanks for these clear and informative videos. I'm not a pilot or even a wannabe, but just interested in aviation, flight protocols, the science and engineering, human factors, etc. Your explanations and insights are a righteous, edifying antidote for my technical ignorance. In this sometimes complicated world, it's a real pleasure to better understand a subject that might ordinarily be out of my reach. Even when you shine a light on darker subjects--perhaps especially when the consequences are so tragic--I feel I've learned something valuable and important. Thank you.

Sad day for all. Thanks Juan for the report.

7:27 the speed is spiky because it's calculated by multilateration (not ADS-B). Note the text "FlightAware MLAT" near the cursor.

There was nothing wrong with his radios...he missed a previous handoff from center then flew out of range from the one he had been talking to. This happens 50 times a day every day all over America. He had enough sense to check in with BUF approach so he wasn't hypoxic, he had to look up that freq and find it and dial it in, and he did that. I don't hear anything slurred and there is no suspicion of hypoxia in this scenario that I can see. The "error" is in ATC clearing him from FL280 down to 8,000 feet - which is an absurdly unorthodox clearance...and "that" clearance involved a phone call and controllers initials to get done. Now Mr. Barnes realizes how close he is and the 8,000 foot clearance is viewed as a crossing clearance, like somehow he has to be at 8,000 feet by the time he gets to BUF or else he will be in trouble. He didn't have enough experience to understand the ATC guy (that was being very helpful) where he said he would just box him around. This is by far the BEST help that ATC could have ever offered, and given to a seasoned pilot, would have been welcome words. ATC was saying "Hey no big deal, we will give you plenty of real estate inside BUF approach lateral confines to get you down and a nice vector for the ILS eventually, but lets get you down first." If you look at the Reno P-51 pics, you can see the failed elev trim leaving the plane and the subsequent roll and dive. This TBM airplane was VFR, and it exceeded VNE (never exceed speed) in the rush to obey ATC and with power on and nose down it will walk right through Vne and then just like the Atlas 767ER, its kinda hard to recover from that. Mr. famous lawyer did try to arrest the speed/high ROD scenario but something failed on the TBM at that point, causing the right turn and increased ROD. I'm sorry but this one is (again) pure pilot error by a rich lawyer who should have NEVER been PIC in this plane. FAA will not do anything about this category but insurance brokers have been, and are involved in going to NO QUOTE on turbine owner flown categories. BlancoLirio is 100% correct that there will be lawsuits and TBM, ATC, the FBO, PW, and everybody will all be defendants where a jury of sympathetic peers will award $25M to the family for pain and suffering and insurance will write the check. PI attorneys make a living out of making something out of nothing, they operate on fee contingent basis, and they encourage citizens to fabricate injury, damage, events so that the insurance company will settle. There is no down side to a PI firm for losing a fee contingent case. They roll the dice every time gambling their time and effort for that all important 40% of award day...which is how he got the TBM in the first place. Remember that there are four tests at work in this crooked world of ours: FAA, Insurance, Darwin, and Bernoulli. Bernoulli decides and rules instantly. Darwin may take some time to sift but is pretty consistent. Insurance responds slowly but on their own without much government guidance. FAA takes forever and will make the wrong action, make it cost more, and the action selected will have nothing to do with the problem.

It does give a better explanation ie listening to VAS aviation first and then your detailed video. Merci!

Juan, very interesting analysis of the progression of events. I learned a lot of pilot stuff here. Pilot duty is very structured and for good cause. There are a lot of rules to follow because there is a lot of risk to manage. The rules are based on logical actions to keep everyone safe. When I was much younger I always thought piloting would be really cool because I love the visual perspective from the air. It wasn't so much about idea of being a pilot per se, but more about my love for the outdoors and the view of landscape with all its attributes. When I saw how much time and money to get a license, I never pursued it. I realized it would be a sustained major commitment of time to qualify and retain the pilot privilege... I spent my free time and money biking instead. It's so nice to have you review all this stuff, since it's your profession and post it for me to understand the intricacies of piloting and disasters. Thanks!

Like your new glasses Juan, they look good on you. They will look even better in that 777 cockpit. Thank you for all the effort you put into your informative videos.

4:17 "Yes sir, everything's fine; TBM 965DM" Oh how those words would very quickly come back to bite him.

Thanks Juan for a great explanation...very sad incident...

The music on this channel always makes me want to be up in an airplane going on an adventure. Love it! ♥️

Ty Juan Browne I share your videos with my grandson who will be 14 in 2 months. Much appreciated.❤ PS give a high five to Pete for me 🤗

Go Juan, faithful Patreon supporter!

I live in Manchester and I took a pic of this plane before..Rip to both. Juan thanks for the content

Thanks Juan

Thanks Juan. Tragic sequence of events. You do have to wonder what was going on in the background that caused the pilot to lose and have difficulty re-establishing comms with ATC. Physiological, pressurization or just distraction? The pilot sounded reasonably aware when he talked to ATC. Things clearly unraveled quickly once he started the descent from FL280. If I had to speculate, it would be that when the controller advised the pilot to continue direct to the airport (rather than a vector as he requested) he may not have understood what the controller had in mind and felt like he had to expedite the descent due to how close he was to the airport by that point. I can see a scenario where he disconnected the autopilot as a fast way to initiate the descent or it accidentally tripped off. The TBM is a slippery airplane and it may have gotten away from him quickly once the nose was pointed down. Obviously there could be other scenarios. Regardless, It will be interesting to see how much time he had in the TBM and how current he was. I highly suspect proficiency (in this class of high performance aircraft) will be a contributing factor. I hate to see these kinds of accidents. Keep up the great reporting and I hope your back to work flow is going well.

Thank you a again.

Awesome work Juan.

It did help my understanding, thanks.

Commercial Helo and former military pilot here...sounds like a classic right handed graveyard spin. Go off auto pilot with slight turn and inner ear tells you that you are straight and level...when you are actually turning and descending. I had an instructor do that to me with an emergency panel (no Art. Horizon) and no comms. It is a scary feeling when you realize your in a bad descending turn and when you try and correct it, your brain and body scream at you that you are wrong...put it back the way it was! It can get out of control in 15 seconds. This is where the phrase, "Trust your instruments," comes from. They will probably find this guy had low time IFR experience and flying the Lamborghini model of a private aircraft. Very unfortunate. Hope some good can eventually come of this. Condolences to his family.

You will be on the national news one day because of your fine quality reporting

Very good point you made with respect to insurance. Especially in the current market where owner flown turbines are seeing 30+% increases.

Thank you.

Having had flying lessons that I had to quit due to divorce I came to the conclusion that flying is relatively straight forward if you understand how a plane flies. However navigation is a different ball game altogether! Not getting lost is very difficult! It ain't like a Sunday afternoon walk in the hills.Night flying has always fascinated me! Cheers.

Mr. Brown I’m in Southwest Florida I met a lady tonight from Paradise California she showed me the pictures I explain to her what you are for aviation and fire safety protocol hopefully you got a new fan tonight

Juan, Thanks for the 121.5 comment on comm 2. I fly single IFR all the time and nobody, including instructors has ever mentioned this. It makes sense.

Thanks for the video, it seems to be happening more often. So sad.

First of all, my thought go to the family. My respects. Having grown up in aviation industry, I fully understand the lawyer part. I remember my father explaining the decrease in Cessna, Piper, Beech etc sales with the lawsuits. They sue the manufacturer of the aircraft, the fuel, the oil. Everyone. Remember how the insurance costs "killed" GA.

Tragic.. I’m sure any ATC who last communicates with any stricken airplane has trouble sleeping that night. ‘...how do you read..’ those somber words said. They train for this scenario, but it never becomes routine. RIP the barrister and his niece.

Thanks for your wise comments!

Your summary statement soooo on the mark! Hear, hear!!

5:02 Just as an aside, I'm glad to see recommendations from the same channels... I love The History Guy. Have you seen the World War Two channel by TimeGhost History. They're doing a spectacular week-by-week breakdown of WW2; on 12/7 they're planning to recap the Pearl Harbor attack in real time, minute-by-minute.

The pilot was Stephen Barnes of Cellino & Barnes injury attorneys. Very reputable lawyer in the NY area. I can remember Their tv commercial jingle for 20 years now.

Retired ATC'er here, I started in a level II VFR tower, it didn't take long to learn that Doctors and Lawyers tend to be preoccupied, think they are infallible and operating a AC is a simple thing.

THANKS. JUAN.....WELL DONE BROTHER....WE WANT SAFE AIR.

i have said this before but I will say it again, this is a case of people with a lot of excess money and big egos buying expensive air planes that they don not have enough training and experience to safely fly but their egos tell them that they can. There is an old saying that goes like this, "what goes up must come down". As the person in control of the air plane once you get it into the air you must be prepared for it's eventual return to earth. The laws of gravity have not been repealed.

We had some really nasty weather roll through upstate NY yesterday

Like the new look! As always very interesting!

Interesting information JB. Thanks. Always learning from you. Nice haircut (by Jenny?). You clean up real good. Take care and fly safe. 🖖🏽🤟🏽

Well done. Sad to hear about this accident. Hope we can learn from it. Situational awareness is always paramount.

Sounds similar to TBM 700, N702H, unable to recover from a spin, which happened soon after starting decent into KMTJ, southwestern Colorado. 2014.

Smart channel! Thanks.

ty jb...lot of possibiities it seems, the loss of communication is weird, then why too hot, high, close to begin with

Juan, I like the new glasses.

First thing I was taught in ground school by a active duty Captain F14 jockey... Nothing can be fairer than to call it pilot error. He also took me ridge soaring.

Thanks again for the breakdown White Lilly.

After missing the last one before it got the ads pulled, I tried to watch this one as soon as I saw it. Several commercial breaks, hope that helps JB!

Judging by the 3 or 4 advertisements that interrupted this, I'd say KZfaq isn't demonetizing at all. They're just not giving you your fair share.

Juan... news flash.. It doesn't have to be an attorney involved in a bad crash. Any bad crash will draw out well established and experienced aviation plaintiff attorneys. Under the owners insurance policy, the liability rests with the owners insurance which will no doubt pay policy limits to the passenger. Then or in conjunction with the primary a/c policy, the attorneys will go after every entity they can think of for alleged culpability. This will drag on for years before this one runs it course. Insurance rates will continue rising anyway as those markets are recovering from a 10-15 year unseen soft market with historic lows in premiums. Granted, the last 2 years or so have not been favorable for insurors due to some bad and expensive losses. But that's not the only reason.

Great video @Blancolirio, just heard the audio yesterday from @vasaaviation! Next time you have a change to talk to the Aerial Firefighting folks please do a video on Helicopter Aerial Firefighting . Be nice to see what it takes to get into that part of the industry. Thanks in advance:)

Being a good pilot obviously requires numerous skills, and one of those skills is definitely good judgement.

Cellino and Barns was also well known injury Attorneys in the Greater Los Angeles Area and The San Francisco Bay Area for their TV commercials before the breakup of the law firm.

New beard, new haircut, new glasses...... off to work I go ;-)

Rochester is at a loss of a great pilot, we'll miss Steve. The weather coming off Lake Erie and Lake Ontario over the years has become bad and uneventful so I'll wait for the official findings. I've just recently started watching your channel to gain better information after the Canadian Snowbirds Aircraft went down in Kamloops, BC. Thanks

Scary and somewhat depressing stuff. Correct of course as always. Keep it up and thanks.

JB methinks a follow up is in order conferencing in Dan Gryder.

I get a kick out of the ex-military guys calling their radios "Victor 1" "Victor 2" etc, short for "VHF." Because they also use "Uniform" frequencies which are actually a bit below the UHF spectrum. Civillians tend to use terminology "Comm 1" "Comm 2" or maybe "HF 1" and "HF 2". NASA's astronauts have different words altogether: "Air to Ground 1" "Air to Ground 2" and "Teedriss" (TDRSS)... Doesn't really affect the content here, but is an interesting aspect of the aviation lexicon.

Thanks. I fly the TBM 850. So sad for the pilot and his niece.

Great report Mr Browne. So sad. Sounds like hypoxia. Poor folks. Aviation is not a forgiving arena 🙏🙏🙏

Very tragic what played out here. It’s painfully obvious he was not fully aware of what was going on. He failed to follow basic radio protocol by not acknowledging ATC instructions. Just his call sign back to them. Sounds like hypoxia or some other impairment. On TBM’s he would have simply updated autopilot with descend to altitude and heading...appears he turned off autopilot and lost control of the plane almost immediately. Truly sad.

There were actually commercials on this video when I watched it, Juan. Very surprising.

A very sad event condolences to the family.

when I retired 3 years a go, Centers were not monitoring 121.5 , Approaches do though and Flight Service monitors 24/7. 121.5 is also required to be monitored by aircraft in case of Military Intercept.

Thanks for the great analysis. I fly a TBM and the plane can descent at a high rate of speed, like 6000' per minute, safely as long as the engine is idle and the speed is properly monitored. The big prop acts as an airbrake. This and being unresponsive on radio, I suspect hypoxia was a factor. Apparently he did not read back properly when asked to descent maintain 8000 (unless this was cut during editing). If he was lacking oxygen, it is possible that he started the descent with cruise power. That would overspeed the airframe quickly.

Military Training...3 Cs- Confess, Climb, Communicate.

Experience: Boeing 787,777,767,757, 737, Airbus A320, Naval Flight School Grad, Navy T34 Flight Instructor, Coast Guard Falocn20, GA Aircraft, roughly 18K Flight Hours. Upon further review The crash site details now indicate that plane hit a swamp in a nose low attitude at an excessive rate of speed so much so, it was submerged 10 to 20 feet in the thick watery mud. Essentially, the plane decelerated from a radar airspeed readout of 440kts (>500mph) to 0 in roughly 20 feet. The occupants were, on impact, sandwiched between the massive engine coming at them from the front and the rear structure piling on top of them all in a nano second. The entire crash was then covered almost immediately with water and mud - hence no post crash fire. This reminds me of the AirTran accident back in the 1993. I was a Coast Guard Falcon 20 search and rescue pilot based in Miami. The AirTran DC9 went down in the Everglades while the Falcon and Dalphine Helicopter were performing for the Fort Lauderdale airshow. ATC notified the crew and they immediate dispatched to the scene with the Falcon arriving on scene within minutes. My fellow Falcon Pilots reported that they saw nothing. They were miffed. When the HH65 arrived on scene, they too saw nothing and then lowered their altitude to roughly 30 feet and began scouring the area for any signs. A crew member spotted a small area where the saw grass seem to part away and as they flew closer, there was a hint of steam and a few small pieces of debris. The Everglades swallowed the entire wreck. The thing to look at in this investigation is the ADS-B speed readout. It’s erratic. This could mean a couple of things. First, the aircraft was experiencing what we call an Airspeed Unreliable condition. This happens when either you have a failure of your Air Data Computer (ADC) or a failure of the inputs to your ADC. The second condition is the equipment that transmits or receives the data is faulty. The investigation will sort this out. If there were issues involving the accuracy of the airspeed information presented to the pilot, this could cause major issues for a professional pilot and prove deadly for a part time pilot. I speak from experience. We were flying a 767 from Moscow, Russia to Washington DC in day VFR conditions. We had entered the Track System and coasted out over the ocean. I was reading something when out of the corner of my eye, both throttles began moving forward uncommanded and the nose began to pitch up. I said "What’s happening"? The captain grabbed the controls, addded more power and increased the climb saying were were 400 feet low and 50 kts slow. I looked at my instruments and said we are 300 feet high and ready to overspeed the jet. We both immediately called out "standby" and referenced our standby altimeter and airspeed indicators. It was clear the captains instruments were wrong and my instruments were correct. I immediately took control, turned off the autopilot, leveled the wings, reduced power, lowered the nose getting back on course, altitude and airspeed. We called our maintenance personnel via satcom, switched the captains ADC source to my source which eventually cleared up the problem, and continued with the flight. Our experience, training, systems knowledge, etc. helped us deal with this problem in a professional safe manner. We were lucky too that this occurred during daylight hours where we could see the ground and sky. The situation would have been more complicated if we were flying at night or in the weather with no reference to the ground. The interesting thing was the left autopilot, which was in use, references the left pilots (captains) instruments. Once it sensed the captains airspeed and altitude were both low, it added power and began the climb uncommanded eve though everything was fine. Every accident has many links that form a chain. We are always taught to recognize the links as they are slowly built and break the chain before it breaks you. The bottom line is if Mr. Barnes experienced an airspeed unreliable condition, in the clouds, with no other pilot there to assist, with no tech support available, the links were being built. The high performance nature of the aircraft and his experience level to manage this performance are also links in the chain. Human factors must also be taken into account. Was he fatigued, did he have personal issues the morning before the flight, was he flustered, in a hurry, did he eat, etc. All these factors are considered when looking at the safety chain. The key is to recognize the links as they build the chain and have the wisdom to break the chain and prevent the accident. This only comes with time, humility, and experience. Rule number one when becoming a professional pilot ....... check your ego at the door. As the old saying goes, there are bold pilots and there are old pilots, but there are no old bold pilots. Fly safe and God Bless.

Thanks once again Mr. Brown, no thanks to KZfaq.

A friend of my family who flew F-14's in the Navy has the exact same plane. He told me once after flying it for couple of months that you couldn't let yourself fall behind the aircraft.

The V Tail Doctor killer has been replaced by TBMs.

My good friend that's a flight surgeon in the Air Force and instructor for many years he told me once that doctors and lawyers are notorious for landing their plane with the gear up, they simply forgot to lower the landing gear.

One minor correction: Juan said at the beginning "prominent NYC attorney" which is incorrect. While they have NYC area offices, they are actually based in Buffalo in WNY.

I knew Steve and am saddened by his loss. Thank you for your expert analysis. I didn't know these sorts of things were common enough to be a problem in your industry but folks in the comments would do well to think of the human cost instead of focusing on "muh insurance."

Like the beard Juan, suits you.

Very enlightening (Ted) may God rest their souls

Thanks for the info. Maybe not demonetized this time - 2 commercials.

The Cellino & Barnes jingle plays after NYC metro traffic reports to the point where at least half the population prob has it memorized. My condolences to the families and especially thoughts go out to the ATC controllers involved. Unfortunate but everyone will need to lawyer up on this one.

As usual good info....would love to know the pilots actual experience level...lots of questions in the making here

Thank you, Mr. Gryder, for explaining. You're right to develop a plan to better prepare private pilots. From all appearances, they simply know too little to feel comfortable flying in abnormal situations. A military pilot trains full time for a minimum of two years before s/he is put to work in the air. Too many mistakes (and the allowance is very slim), and out they go to ground duty. Maybe private pilot training should be just as strict. With so many planes in the air, we don't have room for frightened newbies using bad judgment.

the opening Utube ad about "joinhoney" just about blew the earwax out of my head. where do they FIND these young people with voices that can break 3/4 plate GLASS???