its funny to watch this and realize how many of the systems they decided were shit are actually in the game now
@dailyblunts39358 жыл бұрын
All the stuff he's saying they didn't want to do they've done now... :S
@TrinsWorld8 жыл бұрын
6:57 "Having one totem is no fun" - Oh hey, look, we have pretty much one totem today! Fucking good job!
@NationOfMasturbation3 жыл бұрын
Fucking hypocrites. Dead ass dogshit game
@MrXennon13 жыл бұрын
@@NationOfMasturbation how does that make them hypocrites? This was from 2005, the people on this panel no longer work for blizzard. You sound ignorant as fuck.
@TChristopher5 жыл бұрын
Insane watching this in BfA times.
@joshw37195 жыл бұрын
#classicwow #nochanges
@arisuaozoraАй бұрын
Even more insane watching this end of dragonflight
@DraphEnjoyer8 жыл бұрын
A lot of their original class design decisions were based more around lore and rpg elements than actual gameplay. Why wax exorcism only usable on undead/demons? Because you're a paladin. Why were Undead Shadow priests the strongest shadow priests? Because technically being undead, using the light would hurt them so they become the best Shadowpriests. This kind of design decisions isn't technically "balanced" but the game honestly started to nose dive when they threw all their effort into trying to make some esport.
@ToshZeKeen8 жыл бұрын
+MrZurata Yeah, the little things add up and when they start to remove them we kind of lose the sense of adventure.
@auronk2318 жыл бұрын
+MrZurata I think it's very cool that the undead priests rather than command the light, are actually shushing away the darkness to create a vacuum the light naturally fills in order to cast holy spells.
@Vaios7G8 жыл бұрын
+MrZurata Lore quality has been on a steady decline since WoWs release. For example, Horde vs. Alliance conflict. No faction can win (balance/gameplay reasons), so the 'war' drags on to absurdity and the races end up being assimilated into a Humans vs. Orcs conflict. I wished so many times that WoW ended so as the story to continue (properly) elsewhere.
@auronk2318 жыл бұрын
Vaios Gaintatzis I thought all our battles were just skirmishes, not actual war, I didn't really see many horde/ally npcs actually duking it out on purpose... that said I didn't play past wotlk.
@Vaios7G8 жыл бұрын
Feal In Cataclysm the conflict steadily intensified and in Mists of Pandaria the war is open. An interesting development that, however, cannot be realized to its full narrative potential because there's this impediment called gameplay. e.g. Theramore was bombed to oblivion, but you can still see the city if you ask a bronze dragon there (and even do the quests there). Orgrimmar is raided at the end of the war and the Alliance... just walks out of the scene. No repercussions, no nothing (and normal Orgrimmar stays, well, normal, of course). Ashenvale is hacked down by the Orcs since the everdom of World of Warcraft, but Night Elves and Tyrande have somehow forgotten their 10,000 year experience of protecting their lands and are now tree-hugging buffoons. Malfurion wakes up in the Cataclysm and *still* nothing happens. Blood Elves are treated like second-class citizens by the Garrosh, but they cannot leave the Horde nor can they rebel (or any other race, for that matter), even though they are the magic powerhouse of the Horde and able to create WMDs. The list goes on. Small inconsistencies pile and pile on until the story becomes a pile of stinking kodo dunk.
@flowmastaflam9 жыл бұрын
It's eerie how much current generation developers were just like "fuck it yolo" with all the amazing philosophy the early devs, almost directly contradicting a ton of things they actually knew to avoid from the start.
@solofalcon6 жыл бұрын
Flowmasta Flam video game companies think they can compete with companies that have actual physical products.
@hyde96998 жыл бұрын
I love this so much, just a bunch of guys who are really excited and passionate about what they have done and literally just putting what they thought was "cool" into the game, not necessarily what was the best or most convenient
@RakusTalent8 жыл бұрын
+Nick Hyde not like these days lol
@doswheelsbetter82925 жыл бұрын
I'ma stahp you right there. That's the problem, "just a bunch of guys". See that's problematic.... /S
@Mairve8 жыл бұрын
This is hilarious to watch today omg.
@EldenCat13375 жыл бұрын
Kevin Jordan, one of the devs in this panel responsible for classes and talents, is streaming WoW nowadays on Twitch under the name of "FailureAnalysis". He's leveling a character in BFA commenting on what he thinks about it, and also will analyze max level content as he goes along. Spoiler Alert : he is not very amused with what WoW has become lol. Very interesting stuff!
@crystallit39 жыл бұрын
ha hunters were originally going to use focus, that's funny
@terpysonic83605 жыл бұрын
I know they even said it wasn't fun. Good thing Blizzard today is smart enough not to implement a change like that! Mana FTW!
@wtfduud2 ай бұрын
And they wanted you to care about your pet so they put in the loyalty and feeding mechanics. None of that is in the game now.
@Domebuddy2 ай бұрын
@@wtfduud Its not in the game because it didnt work out how they thought it would work out. Player feedback probably indicated that no one actually cared about their pet. People select the most meta pet, and the feeding part just feels like an unnecessary chore and a tax on the hunter player that no other class needs to deal with (along with buying arrows and being down a bag slot)
@johnappleseed88396 жыл бұрын
Old team: "We wanted everything about the class to feel focused and make sense within the context of that class." New team: "We wanted to maximize subs."
@robertgreen64335 жыл бұрын
More like we want to maximize time played numbers.
@gonzodevilla71148 жыл бұрын
back when blizzard was a good company
@Achille123458 жыл бұрын
+Chetes Gaming Before the Dark Lord Activision twisted his mind...
@Roflimmune8 жыл бұрын
+Achille12345 Activision is an old god confirmed.
@Naeinsengimnida6 жыл бұрын
They lost themselves before Activision came
@Titi-pu2hl5 жыл бұрын
@@Naeinsengimnida how so ? they only started to go downhill in WOTLK 3.2(2009), just after they merged with activision.
@Naeinsengimnida5 жыл бұрын
@@Titi-pu2hl Officially it was after WotLK But for Vanilla players it was BC that took away a lot from the magic feel of Vanilla then BC and WotLK went even farther and the magic was gone, the spirit of Classes was gone. I'm not saying those expansions are bad, they are good as standalone games. It created fans along the way enough to start tearing apart the community and most of us started to see their friends leaving the game because it already changed so much. Imagine this when you think until BFA... We are so far from the original idea... BC was to me the first sign of WoW turning to be commercial (before Activision intensified the need) was the Expansions recurrence. WoW should have been one and only game from the start and not World of Warcraft, World of Warcraft: BC , World of Warcraft: WotLK ... this is 3 different games. That's the way i see this. But that's only my opinion. Someone maybe prefers BC era or WotLK era and they maybe also wanted the game to stay at one point in time and not constantly evolving into someone else's game.
@iainmarchant97407 жыл бұрын
Re-enlist these guys.
@sheppo8 жыл бұрын
"all the classes that had crowd control, had very limited crowd control" - how things have changed.
@ChristopherGray004 жыл бұрын
well that's not really true, mage had insane CC in vanilla, but yeah every other class in vanilla had dogshit CC
@kiffy009 ай бұрын
@@ChristopherGray00rogue?
@Adam______________________2 ай бұрын
@@ChristopherGray00 fear
@darkgate332 ай бұрын
you can tell how proud they are. they made this with love, care and passion. how time have changed...
@Soralax9 жыл бұрын
Really interesting to see thought process of making classes.
@davemustang81733 жыл бұрын
notice how only horde boos. Insecure since day 1
@Nightstalker3144 жыл бұрын
Good to see that the paladin hasn't changed at all.
@thegpome5 жыл бұрын
5:20 "Priest racials worked out well, we will expand on them in the expansion pack" RIP
@Nobleshield4 жыл бұрын
You can blame players for that i.e. "Dwarf priest or GTFO"
@MrVolreg8 жыл бұрын
20:12 "The soul still burns in Soul Calibur II coming soon to a console near you!"
@Milinthrak5 жыл бұрын
Really miss the game being about fantasy and fun rather than rng gear crusades....
@Marsonis2ya5 жыл бұрын
this is crazy...everything they are talking about that they didn't want to do is currently in game...no wonder this has gone to shit with everything happening
@wwe20058 жыл бұрын
Wish we'd get back the old talent tree system, so much more choice :(
@eggcorns94228 жыл бұрын
+BossMadOne so true only people that think there was choice were noobs, old talent trees were extremely cookie cutter. New talents are a little better i think I find myself changing talents on most bosses depending one cleave or utility needed.
@wwe20058 жыл бұрын
BossMadOne there were optimal builds but there was also more freedom and choice for those who didn't care about raiding or perhaps just had 1 "fun" spec. I had a duel-wield resto/ele shaman spec I was playing around with in Wrath that gave me 2x earthliving/flametongue weapons.
@Naeinsengimnida6 жыл бұрын
The hybrid spec were the choice for those who wanted to leave the traditional roads. At the end of WotLK i was playing a weird Paladin Retribution with healing gear cause the spec allowed instant cast of Flash Light. I didn't care about competitiveness but about fun. Everyone these days claim "competitiveness" but most of those screamers are casuals or less than that. After WotLK we've lost these kind of possibilities, and came the arbitrary "choices"
@AceStrife9 жыл бұрын
The Death Knight didn't make it!
@Hoshpakk5 жыл бұрын
Well, back in 2005 you can see, that the Lore and RPG Elements was really important for Blizzard. I really like this! Just think about it: Druids only Male Night Elves? That would be fucking crazy! And today I would not be surprised, when Blizz makes Bloodelf Druids, Draenei Warlocks or Tauren Rogues...
@eldrevo2 жыл бұрын
Well hello there This comment has aged well, hasn't it
@DrewPicklesTheDark2 ай бұрын
@@eldrevo Well BE druids are still not in yet...
@c-rose6662 ай бұрын
crazy this is almost 20 yrs old.. this game will never die
@DrPluton2 ай бұрын
I like that by The Burning Crusade, they started to realize the mistakes they had made with the Vanilla paladin and finally added some action buttons.
@newjerseyjustin9 жыл бұрын
omg tom chilton has hair!?
@sarkasm10009 жыл бұрын
+newjerseyjustin He probably lost it over the years of reading the complaint posts on their forums .. stupid, stupid complaints
@Muffincakeswithsugar9 жыл бұрын
"Fast Forward to 2015" - Hybrids are better at Tanking than pure Tanks, better at Healing that pure Healers and do more Damage than pure DPS classes
@Bcimholy9 жыл бұрын
Muffincakeswithsugar every tank and every healer can also either tank, heal, or dps, so there is no such thing as a pure tank or pure healer... and I'm not sure where you've been but mages, locks, rogues, and hunters are insanely good with at least 1 spec performing at or near the top
@Bcimholy9 жыл бұрын
Flowmasta Flam lol okay?
@StealthBlackHand6 жыл бұрын
back in the day if you even suggested that a hybrid should do as much dps as a pure dps class you would be crucified. and it's logical that a pure dps class should do more damage than a hybrid. A druid should be able to do healing of 50% of a priest and 50% damage of a rogue and tank 50% good as a warrior. That is fair since he can do all three. But nowadays it's all TRASH
@nathancasey77125 жыл бұрын
@@StealthBlackHand then warriors should do 50% damage too because they can tank
@borsho98892 жыл бұрын
I miss that blizzard when they had a real identity and follow their route no matter who said a damn thing, especially their actual community with 1000 flags.
@DMachine528 жыл бұрын
his shirt keeps changing, interesting
@koffein98 жыл бұрын
+GCDTV Is it blue or black?
@sapurass17858 жыл бұрын
+GCDTV yeah the graphic on the tee keeps chaning; also a blue shirt vs black shirt...weird..
@nonameform2 ай бұрын
Just listening to this brings a tear to my eye. This is very nostalgic and shows that people who made Vanilla WoW actually had very blurry vision of the final product. Even though there were several MMOs before WoW, Blizzard improved the formula (some might say “dumbed it down”) and made the genre much more popular with general audience.
@Despond8 жыл бұрын
NO CC dr back then, the world was unfair and tough, it was wild and crazy. Now we all have kicks, all have a stun or variation, all have same DR, all have this, all have that. So interesting!
@ChainsawGutsFuck8 жыл бұрын
+Despond I remember seeing Warlocks spam Fear in PvP, killing people without getting touched... ridiculous. And who can forget the pleasure of being chain-sapped by some level 60 Rogue on their way to raid?
@VaxterGames8 жыл бұрын
+Despond resto druids got no silence :c
@lolwhatidk9 жыл бұрын
Where did it all go wrong.. ?
@HennibsXD8 жыл бұрын
It started in WotLK...
@happyrock28258 жыл бұрын
+HennibsXD kinda in bc with the FM, but yea the real downfall started with the introduction with dungeon finder
@HennibsXD8 жыл бұрын
happy rock Exactly.. :(
@Azamous7 жыл бұрын
Activision.
@happyrock28257 жыл бұрын
flying mount
@DydraLIVE5 жыл бұрын
Listening to this in 2019 I realize why Vanilla WoW was such a great game and BFA isn't! People just knew how to game design! No marketing, no community management, NO BS! They give you straight from the pot that the druid is a staff-wielding robe wearing tree huger :D Thank god Classic is coming out in a few months!
@jackmiddleton20803 ай бұрын
He is literally going over things that are being implemented today and discussing how they already thought about them, they are bad, and how they intentionally chose not to do them.
@CanielDonrad5 жыл бұрын
7:39 FeelsBadMan ... All classes in BFA
@joshw37195 жыл бұрын
#classicwow #nochanges
@BarrickMacready4 жыл бұрын
Priests damage means wand, shadow word pain and mind blast lol
@ravehammer3 жыл бұрын
14:26 in. he starts talking about females being the pant wearers. the response from the crowd made me so happy . the female empowerment and display of respect he is giving outward is great. makes up for the victoria secret disregard that afrasiabi showed later
@jakehenry5013 жыл бұрын
"Water elemental Would 'waterdown' the mage" i love the pun.
@sapurass17858 жыл бұрын
several years later they give mage fulltime water elemental pet :(
@Preacher_.4 жыл бұрын
Omfg... Blizzard, Hire this guy back on and Pay him Quadruple.
@bakeryclerk74349 ай бұрын
i miss this game.
@NoOne564885 жыл бұрын
When Blizzard had a soul!
@SteenG3yL3 жыл бұрын
Ever such a long time ago, though
@udfbino5 жыл бұрын
my god,imagine the joke about the druid nowadays
@Lyxl215 жыл бұрын
classic hype!
@gustavvesterlund88678 жыл бұрын
The Governor, is that you?
@HennibsXD8 жыл бұрын
Necromancer is coming into the game as a hero class in the future...
@Raewi8 жыл бұрын
+HennibsXD Uh, probably not.. I think most of the Necromancy is represented by the Death Knights
@HennibsXD8 жыл бұрын
Jeppe Knudsen Just remember what I said.
@Raewi8 жыл бұрын
Haha, alright! :) We'll see :)
@maeser84775 жыл бұрын
2 years later and all we got was a demon hunter...
@cactuss33ds2 ай бұрын
wrong. idiot
@Preacher_.4 жыл бұрын
18:30 Omfg... It's the Talent System from Retail. 18:50 Jesus Christ, That's the Talent and "Ruined" system from D3
@TheHaiku27 жыл бұрын
Back when MMORPGs used to actually have RPG elements. Before the days of ability pruning, LFG, CRZ, and four raid difficulties. WoW is so diluted now that it's nearly unrecognizable. The original spirit of the game was lost sometime after the Burning Crusade. Sad.
@andrewmorgan75006 жыл бұрын
Well technically BC was the start of the demise...flying mounts....arena....paladins and shamans on both faction...central city for both factions...daily quests...hardly any world pvp...resilience, all junk.
@StealthBlackHand6 жыл бұрын
bc was the start of the downfall. worst were the flying mounts which made it impossible to kill a player in the open world. just cc and wait for combat drop and fly away. YAY. and they actually made players on flying mounts immune to polymorph even when they were standing on the ground you couldn't even dismount them. And the stupid lore retcons made the game worse and the stupid class design they started to implement as well. it all went down the cancer drain and if you look what todays wow looks like you would puke
@xshobux6 жыл бұрын
WoW is still very enjoyable. Take off your stupid nostalgia goggles
@juyoki8 ай бұрын
Odd to see him go through this without mentioning Diablo at all. So many of the mechanics are direct descendants of the D2 classes that I refuse to believe they weren't the inspiration.
@Ub3rSk1llz4 жыл бұрын
compare the game currently to this video. nothing remains.
@weeabooshunter47596 жыл бұрын
14:26 Very true about druids
@rph87043 жыл бұрын
He keeps changing his shirt between class discussions xD
@Zuljann6 жыл бұрын
Every time it zooms in and out on the speaker his shirt changes?
@menecross5 жыл бұрын
So this was considered bad then .... but we have it now... what does that say about the current game!? 18:58
@StealthBlackHand3 ай бұрын
Chains of ice could have just been limited to 1 target? Like Polymorph? Why did they decide to remove the whole spell then?
@Jorvalt2 ай бұрын
20:11 "...and if you have too many prerequisites, it really cramps down your ability to get down the tree in different ways." GEE, YOU MEAN LIKE HAVING SEVERAL TALENTS (Dragonflight) THAT ARE LITERALLY MANDATORY BECAUSE OF HOW THE TALENT TREE IS STRUCTURED AND POINT INVESTMENT REQUIREMENTS?
@BarokaiRein2 жыл бұрын
By the way absolutely none of these three work on WoW anymore. If you're wondering why the WoW team fucking sucks nowadays it's because not a single one of the original lead developers are in it nowadays. Tom left WoW in 2016,Rob left blizzard in 2014 and Kaplan left WoW in 2009.
@comobaixar3055 жыл бұрын
quando a blizzard fazia jogo de rpg porque essa blizzard de hoje nao tem o mesmo sonho que tinha antigamente.
@kokomal2 ай бұрын
When Blizzard was Blizzard.... Eh... they are a shadow of themselves now....
@mrrex16162 ай бұрын
2024!
@arkh17306 жыл бұрын
Makes much more sense all use mana for sure.resource for magic use.dont understand how a hunter uses arcane shot without mana....or how a rogue shadowsteps without mana.. also give mana to dks.runes can be for specific spells!!!
@Oneplayer905 жыл бұрын
2019
@Pokerit9 жыл бұрын
rip wow 2004-2014
@Veslanjejezivot7 жыл бұрын
Pokerit you mean RIP WoW 2004-2007
@Pokerit7 жыл бұрын
No. You can read
@Veslanjejezivot7 жыл бұрын
You don't understand ;)
@Veslanjejezivot7 жыл бұрын
Reported :)
@joshw37195 жыл бұрын
@@Pokerit You really don't understand... BFA scrubs....
@Fireblaze158 жыл бұрын
They really fucked up with Death Knights. lol. Death grasp??? They were the superior class in arena as well for almost 2 seasons in a row. People argued "Hero classes" should be stronger... lol. I always laughed at that logic. I leveled a warrior in late BC till 70 then they come out with a plate class that is easy mode compared to my warrior. The class design language wasn't followed from the original classes. They just added way too many overpowered abilities to the DK. DK got mellowed out on being OP around Trial of Champion and Icecrown raid era's. but still heh. It sucked. I liked the class but remove death grip or w.e. and i would've been much happier.
@TatsuyaWow8 жыл бұрын
ah that was the time when they listening to the fan .... not anymore ...
@TatsuyaWow8 жыл бұрын
i kow i played it all the way to wod . but after wod it was pretty bad then i want to nostalrius that was realy fun but blizz shut down it really sad .. im not shure about legion still mad about that nost
@Nightstalker3148 жыл бұрын
+Tatsuya Sensei they actually didn't back in the days. they made a game that they liked.
@TatsuyaWow8 жыл бұрын
oh okay but it work out pretty good
@Nightstalker3148 жыл бұрын
Tatsuya Sensei most of those devs work(ed) on other projects (titan/overwatch). maybe some of those return for the next xpacs.
@webduelist8 жыл бұрын
+Medovukha MoP was good, great story, but I was disappointed that there was no way to undo the damage we had done, I really got engaged in the lore on that one and wanted to fight to help take back there homes, but nope we just kinda fucked shit up and then went back in time to the outlands.
@Hogo698 жыл бұрын
One of the best games ever back then. Now one of the worst ;(.
@crowwellgrozdanchev96975 жыл бұрын
Bs it is still on the top of mmos
@KevsShwaShwa11 ай бұрын
I will simply never understand why they didn’t give Paladin a strike on a 6 second cooldown in vanilla. Shamans got stormstrike and shock spells. Classes were all pretty bad on the whole until Wrath in terms of gameplay.
@doswheelsbetter82925 жыл бұрын
And now this company bans the Okay sign. My how they have fallen.
@Cinnamon10808 жыл бұрын
"Focused and make sense"..Exact opposite of vanilla.
@realismpatriotism64378 жыл бұрын
We could revolutionize the shit out of this game, and make it the ultimate e-sport simply by taking the best parts of Vanilla, TBC, Wotlk & to some agree also even Cata. And then remove Flying Mounts, bring back an improved version of the old talent point+glyph system and perhaps introduce some other types of tweaks to it. NO FUCKING ABILITY PRUNING Implement more skill shot type of abilities, and drag-line type of interactive ability engagements where you would have to display dexterous capability with your mouse when playing and make quick accurate decisions in tough situations etc... THIS GAME IS A FUCKING MASTER PIECE Or well it was... And it could be solved relatively simply...
@Nightstalker3147 жыл бұрын
Great comments down here: People condemning change and praising imbalance beyond compare.
@nathancasey77125 жыл бұрын
I'd say mages are easier then paladins lol
@WindPortalАй бұрын
Why does everything turn to sh*t
@siskavard3 жыл бұрын
Class balance is overrated
@shahaman5694 Жыл бұрын
In retail all classes are same. No uniqueness at all
@povisykt Жыл бұрын
They added orc-priests...
@ToadMagic2 ай бұрын
lmao not true at all
@lennic2 ай бұрын
further into the future... yet backpeddling, lame
@krueg772 жыл бұрын
sad sad sad ruins the game
@williamarthurfenton14966 жыл бұрын
and this is why paladins were screwed for so long. What a ridiculous design philosophy, to make certain classes easier than others.
@marekkubicek12356 жыл бұрын
Pallies were incredibly powerful even in vanilla
@williamarthurfenton14966 жыл бұрын
That doesn't make them fun, or engaging in any way. Ret was awful to play, Prot didn't even have a taunt. The VERY point I mentioned is making them easier than other classes. That's not a good thing.
@marekkubicek12356 жыл бұрын
The idea was that if you are not casual you play holy, I agree but let´s not bad rap pallies
@MrXaoras6 жыл бұрын
paladin is the noob choice in every rpg
@Loki-qo2kb2 ай бұрын
15:53 dude coping that they didn't just copy DnD druid wildshape lol
@XJevoX7 жыл бұрын
lol, nobody booing when he asks who plays the Horde, but Horde--fans booing Alliance? Grow up kids.
@KIT2142LAW7 жыл бұрын
What did you expect? Horde mostly consist of edgy kids
@joikkuli7 жыл бұрын
Oh, from my experience it's quite the other way around.
@andrewmorgan75006 жыл бұрын
Really dude? Hard to believe but there actually used to be a fun rivalry between each faction. Something today's generation is clearly to squishy and sensitive to handle.