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The Montagues should put on their own festival, to show up the Capulets 🥁

There was a Press Conference with the Attorney General, and he believes that the non refund policy will not hold up in court

meanwhile I was having my best live at Rockharz in germany, watching Orden Ogan live. Dixie toilets were cleaned hourly, water was free, showers were in abundance, we had actual flush toilets by the campground, there were security people on golf carts and wuads driving around warning people of every weather change. they even had safe words and gestures you could make to show distress to security and have them take you to safety

I've noticed that both Blue Ridge and Capulet were basically run by one guy alone. This is on the verge of unthinkable in Europe, there's almost always some form of conglomerate, a label, a company or even a magazine behind the events, even the smaller ones.

I am a crew member for a band that was supposed to be at capulet fest. Thankfully, we didn’t play. Our TM was telling us this was going to be an absolute sh*tshow for a while leading up to it until the plug was pulled from under us.

These festivals like Wacken, Hellfest, Copenhell, Graspop, Masters of Rock, etc., show how well Europe organizes Rock/Metal festivals. It's a shame we can't do the same here.

As a vocalist myself having performed at Blue Ridge, I think it takes the bait my experience at blue ridge was horrible the dressing room I was in had no ac at all was quite unorganized and had poor sanitation, as for the festival itself, the lines to get to shows were horrible, it was VERY hot and there was little water available. The piles of trash were absolutely disgusting, and no one did anything about it, when the storms hit, trying people off the festival grounds, to safety was a nightmare, and very unorganized. Overall it was really bad and I will never do it again.

I am the TD for a 1200 cap venue, I cannot even fathom the logistics of having bands of that level in a venue that size. Parking for production vehicles, loading docks to handle multiple artists loading in and out, space for dead cases even. Props to the venue crew for even trying to pull it off.

From what you said about both festivals, the match up between the two is like a dumpster fire competing with a nuclear explosion. 😅

Just purely out of curiosity: Once you and the EC-Boys are done with the summer festival season, i'd like to see a "Best Festival" Video from you. Having some examples and explanations on how a good festival should be done, would be really nice. I only had positive experiences with EU-Festivals, so i guess there should be some good examples from this year's tour. it's a real bummer to see shit like BRR/Capulet happen, i'd probably be fuming if i experienced something like that, bc i'm usually excited a year in advance

Never forget Louisville Death Fest. Promoter bailed mid-fest, then some attendees stepped up and ran the last day while another attendee drove to the promoter's house and made him pay the venue. Shitty show saved as much as possible by the community

The no refund policy doesn't cover fraud. Selling tickets when venue had been downgraded, and linup had significantly changed would seem to qualify as fraud.

Here's the thing, legally - contracts go both ways. They can say the tickets are non-refundable and whoever bought them agrees to that policy, but if THEY don't fulfill their end of the contract (IE putting on the show the buyer paid for, etc), the contract is null and void. Unfortunately, the only recourse is a lawsuit. People aren't getting their money back likely without a class-action lawsuit and those require enough people to want to fight it. In my experience, most people just want to move on.

I went to the first day of capulet. I wasn’t ripped off like most people. I had to drive just as far as would have if the venue hadn’t changed. I still got to see the bands I wanted to see. If I had known it was going to be held at the Webster I wouldn’t have bought a ticket. It’s one of the worst venues in New England. The sound/acoustics are the worst. One of the rougher parts of the city. Mostly just street parking nearby. The stage set up is really difficult for bands to set up and break down, single staircase without any guide rails.

Your insight on these festival disasters is second to none on KZfaq. Keep up the pressure on these guys and keep educating us.

The guys from Skillet seem like the type of people who would go and play for the people who showed up after nothing but issues from the promoter, they probably knew the shutdown was coming and worked something out to play a set and then bounce. Probably what i wouldve done “well were here and people came to see us and have already been screwed, lets play for em” wouldnt surprise me

I think I just got jumpscared from the lack of a majestic beard, holy shit Tank!

I was at Houston Open Air, it got cancelled day of, due to "inclement weather" under clear skies. A7x and a couple other headliners managed to do a show later that day by getting a local venue to open up on a night it was typically closed and honored all festival tickets. I didn't get to go in, because I was planning to buy my festival tickets at the entry and couldn't get one. Luckily, Starset also got a different local venue to let them play as well, and that show was completely free, for everyone. This was back when there was only 4 of them, and they still had the black jumpsuits instead of the white ones. Came and hung out with everyone after the show in the bar, it was great.

Holy shit dude I thought I clicked on a random channel when I glanced over the thumbnail and didn't recognize you lol

Just because the website says "non-refundable" they still have a legal obligation to deliver what was advertised to consumers. Generic disclaimers mean nothing in bait-and-switch situations.

He sold less than 2000 tickets and claimed there was more than 3500 sold a month out.

Saying something on a website does not make it legally binding. It's really just there to discourage people from trying to get a refund.

I think it's pretty wild that a general non refund policy in the US is even possible. I would have guessed it works like everywhere else. If you sell a service but don't provide the service, people can get refunds.

A former acquaintance of mine tried something similar on a way smaller scale. He booked a somewhat large venue and a mid size German act. Filled the bill with his friends and mismanaged so hard, that the headlining band left without playing a single note. This stunt possibly caused the headlining acts label to blacklist our entire state for booking any of their clients.

Man, the fact that crappy organizers are still getting away with this crap is amazing. people have learned nothing from Woodstock '99, Fyre and BRRF. Having survived the utter shitshow(literally) of Woodstock '99, it still boggles my mind.

Blue Ridge 2023 attendee here - definitely go the chargeback route with your bank asap and claim services were not rendered. Gather as much evidence as you can (social media screenshots, news articles, even this video) and send it in an email (I had to ask my bank for the right email over the phone but it was better than explaining the situation to a bunch of different customer service reps). Yes the festival happened and their refund policy is tight but the festival did not happen to the extent that was promised (3 days with 50+ bands and even more missed services if you paid for VIP/camping). Despite ~40% of Blue Ridge technically happening last year I was able to get a full refund.

One of the things that I'm curious about that I don't think you covered in here: If they were selling tickets for a 13000 capacity venue, and then stepped down to a 1300 capacity venue, if more than 1300 people actually showed up, what happened? They just got turned away?

It's pretty simple. It isn't easy to throw a festival. All these people who just think, I'll hire a bunch of bands and it will be great, need to go away. The large national guys, and the good independent ones, know that it's all about operations and logistics. The band list doesn't matter if people can't get in. The band list doesn't matter if you don't have facilities that are up to par. The band list doesn't matter if people don't have water. Etc. These people who do this, need face a consequence. Sadly, in this country, it's easy to skirt financial obligations. Something does need to change regarding insurance/tickets/policies regarding cancellations. The intent of the act of god is things out of their control. Not improperly running an event. That's why the AG needs to be looking into this. It's fraud. Not a hail and lightning storm.

Totally random statement: With the trimmed beard, you bear an uncanny likeness with Mac from It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia!

It wasn't 'Unforeseen Circumstances" Estevan had spent all the money prior to obtaining insurance for Thompson Speedway for the event and didn't have enough money for production who walked off due to not having their money.

Played New England metal fest in 2008. The building was at last minute after all staging and bands where still showing up condemed by the local code people saying the building was not fit for the purpose. Apperently no one did a prior inspection. Whole night was a cluster. Ended up playing in parking lot to like 700-800 ppl. And half the bands dropped off. The promoter was also almost killed. There were bands like mustache etc flying in from Europe not even knowing the situation. Goes to show one small fuk up can cause a meltdown. We ended up playing as did divine heresy but night was bad vibes. I also had my trigger module stolen that night. Never forget it.

The non refundable tickets clause would not fly in the EU. If a show/festival is cancelled or postponed they are legally obliged to give refunds, even if there's a no refunds clause.

There was also a fesitval last weekend in Austria, the Rolling Loud, that also had catastrophic organization. Problems with public transport, staff not having a clue about anything and the lack of watersupplies. The organizer thou, said that everything went smothly (it did not)

Tank show us how a festival is ran from the day of booking to actual show day

Look into Metaldays in Slovenia here in Europe. Once a wonderful festival that just went to hell after Covid. Stories of bands not getting paid, no transfer back to the airport after their gig, etc. People where promised refunds for the 2020 edition and it has basically become a meme for them asking when the refunds will occur. They have also, allegedly, messed up the relations with the town where it was held so badly that it has created problems for other festivals held in that town. The festival had the unfortune to also end up in a massive storm last year so the campground was flooded. The festival went out with a statement yesterday that they will never hold another edition, people had been expecting that for a while though.

Hopefully there is some sort of help for the folks who paid for this mess, but I agree with you that Blue Ridge was a lot worse. The sanitation related stuff, lack of food and water and just general issues with the festival grounds at BR just makes it worse. The only "festival" I've been to was a local one at a smallish venue but it was all indoor and in the winter. Overall was a great time, would go again.

Meanwhile when rain made the parking fields for Graspop Metal Meeting unusable this year they let us know 'hey we're sorry, parking is closed, you're getting your parking ticket refunded automatically' When rain affected part of the camping grounds there were messages all over the festival telling you where to go and that you would get help if you were affected. I don't know what help they provided as I got lucky, but it makes me feel like they have their shit set up right, at least. They really did their best. Little things can do a lot to make or break confidence in a festival/event

Oh man, I haven't thought of The Webster in years. I been to probably 100 shows there. It's an amazing shithole of a venue that I will always love.

Can't be sure about how this stuff works in the US but here in Europe you can write anything you'd like in your terms of conditions, but you're still bound by law. That says pretty much you have a right to undo a purchase if the seller fails to deliver what they said they would.

With the AG getting involved there’s a good chance of trying to make them pay-however there’s also a good chance the promoter will declare bankruptcy. Or will disappear.

Not sure how their disclaimer covers them when the festival was cancelled Sunday and the capacity went 13k to 1300 people.

Moondance Jam in MN said HOLD MY BEER. It was supposed to be Kansas, Parts of Journey, Creed, Blue Oyster Cult, Foghat and others on July 18-20th but on July 2nd citing "present economic climate" they changed the entire lineup to local/regional acts and initially said "refunds will not be offered." Instead they could go to the original show OR the Deuces Wild Dueling Pianos tickets (held on Aug. 9) or Moondance Harvest Moon Festival (Sept. 21). Obviously there was outrage and 8 days later they finally caved offering refunds, and noted "We just did not meet the necessary financial thresholds to produce a festival with national touring attractions". 30+ year festival still somehow financially mismanaging its way into cancellation weeks before the show. Insanity.

I’m noticing this same trend of scam festivals but for North American K-Pop shows. In 2022, there was KAMP Festival, that had a lot of very well known groups on the line up. It was nearly sold out with nonrefundable tickets but the week of the festival, a bunch of groups had to drop out. It turned out that the company hosting the festival wouldn’t pay to sponsor all their visas so that they could legally work here. They tried this again in 2023 in Mexico. KCON in LA used to be reputable but have had a significant decline- they even tried posting “trendy” videos that were just sexually harassing artists. I’m not sure why people are hosting shows for niche music (but in high demand such metal & K-Pop) to just exploit fans and use them as a cash cow but I noticed this occurring more after COVID when the concert industry began trying to recoup from a massive financial loss.

How do you go from a 13000 to 1300 cap venue 2 days before the fest, when you are already selling tickets for a while? Have they sold less than 1300 tickets 2 days before the fest? No wonder they couldn't pay the speedway.

As one of the barricade guys catching crowd surfers working the stage Electric Callboy played At Blue Ridge... can confirm. The behind the scenes was a nightmare.

Also, don't buy the extra "insurance". I've done it 2x for shows in other states and still lost my money. Between ticket costs, scalpers, and everything else, it has become way more stressful than standing in line at the grocery store or music store to buy a paper ticket.

This sounds like an uniquely American problem. I never hear of this crap happening over seas (in the last 10 years anyway). American capitalism is so crazy.

225 dollar for 3 days is interesting to me. im paying 180€ for 4 days of bands and an additional day of partying on the camping ground with my camp at summerbreeze

Saying non refundable if the venue changes should be with the notation if it's an equal venue. Going from 13,000 to 1,300 occupancy is a bait and switch. You sold a product you can't provide. That should not be covered

Fests turned into scams to me in 98 when I got there & realized I only got to see 1/2 the bands I wanted to see because they had 2 bands playing at once.

Been waiting on you to cover this! 🤘🏻🤘🏻

Holy shit, Tank shaved!

Nothing More said they lost $10,000 out of their pocket due to crew costs and such. So stuff like that really sucks. I feel bad for the bands too

Btw, these refund policy are not like those waivers at theme parks that say you can’t sue? Like when an accident happens due to negligence on the part of the park, people are able to sue despite signing a waiver. That means those people who get hurt in the park due to the own actions can’t sue, but if the park was negligent about safety or other matters, a suit can be filed against the park on behalf of whoever got hurt and/or dies. Likewise, as I understand, a venue or entity can’t disclaim negligence without some sort of legal recourse in cases where festivals must provide refunds and/or cover other lost expenses as a result of not being responsible to ensure the show, services, accommodations, etc. went off as promised reasonably speaking - like when most of the bands won’t be playing and most people can’t even fit into the new smaller venues, and the hotel is now an hour away (it would be reasonable not to provide a refund if a single band had to drop out at last minute and the organizers found a replacement or got some bands to play a bit longer to make up for it). It can’t possibly be as black and white as Tank is saying even though people signed on to the terms of no refunds when purchasing tix and packages with other accommodations/services. That’s probably why the state is investigating and may bring them to court - so it will be proven that the organizers defaulted in their promises. Or like on the basis of false advertising and/or doing a bait and switch - the organizers made promises and clearly didn’t make every effort to deliver as promised and gave a much crappier version in the end, especially when it sounds like they defaulted on financial obligations to secure the original venue for the weekend. I have a hard time believing it’s so black and white because people going to festivals would get ripped off more frequently by unscrupulous organizers on the basis that the tix are “non-refundable” - meaning slimy organizers of festivals would use that phrase as a loophole to bait and switch and make a larger profit with last minute changes to the lineup/venue/accommodations/services “due to circumstances beyond our control.” Maybe it would apply under certain circumstances like weather, a ticket holder getting sick, a ticket holder’s family emergency, travel issues ticket holders may face, etc. However, when an organizer is not doing things responsibly, which leads to major changes in the venue, lineup, accommodations, food and services, etc., I have trouble believing that there is zero recourse to get refunds. In fact, some credit cards will refund to extend warranties, if goods and services weren’t provided as promised, etc. But if there was no possible way to hold them accountable the CT AG wouldn’t have stepped in to investigate and possibly take the organizers to court. If laws need changing, the CT state senate, local assembly, and or our national government would have to step in a change laws to prevent this from happening in the future. But I wouldn’t say there’s no recourse or else the AG wouldn’t have stepped in to determine if there’s a case to help people recoup lost money. I also imagine a class action lawsuit could be an option if a lawyer wanted to take it on. I’m not a lawyer, but I I really think people will get some sort of compensation one way or another, even if it takes time. Kudos to the CT AG for investigating further. These organizers need to be held accountable when there are issues like we’ve seen at a few festivals in recent history. Why didn’t other states and cities step in the investigate the other horrible situations with festivals in their backyards?!

Survived blue ridge and purchased tickets for capulet! I understand the Change of venue ! I would have drove 5 extra hours if my camping was also honored !! I got an email saying I’d be offered that hotel an hour away. I would have to use my credit card at check it but they would cover the bill. Also the parking would be a maybe when I arrived . Sounded sketchy !! So I didn’t go!

We live in a country where people will pay $20 for a $2 bill sold by the last president. We are possibly the dumbest people on earth.

As the AG pointed out, that boilerplate legal language doesn't actually protect promoters. They can put that there and lean on it, but they'll lose in court. A contract is two directional. They promised to provide certain things in exchange for a certain price. If those things are not provided, every aspect of the contract is void, including "no refund" clauses.

Come to WACKEN in Northern Germany, the world's biggest rock-metal event festival!!! It's the Mecca for metal fans!!! The holy ground for metal fans!!!

I have to say, it was pretty classy of Skillet to play for the fans that made it out. They aren’t my cup of tea, but I know they draw crowds in much bigger venues than that.

I went to the festival on Saturday I bought my ticket in person. There was about 350 people there. I saw the band read perform there last year to about 250 people. Last year they had all that remained headlining it was a bad weather weekend but not very many people showed up. I think this festival was lacking any real headliners. Way too many bands and too many days. Trim the list of 55 bands to 20 and make it 1 day. Vega is an idiot, I don't understand how you can have two stages and schedule them so they don't play over into the other stage. Having to choose which band to watch is BS. I was actually happy when they moved the show to the Webster Theater I go there regularly.

It's wild to me that under US law you can just include a small caveat somewhere in the T&C that prevents refunds. Consumer protection really needs a boost in America.

I would guess that since...some band played one song, they're covered for the non-refund policy as "a show" happened. If it was entirely cancelled, it could be considered not meeting the agreement, but I am not a lawyer.

We disputed the charge with our bank and got our tickets back that way. We had weekend tickets and there was no communication from the festival directly to the festival goers. Some people were still unaware that the festival was not happening at Thompson speedway because they did nothing but post on their social media. No emails were sent out early enough to address the situation professionally.

Even though I saw the Instagram posts and the previous video, I still had a "Who's that? Oh." moment when I saw the thumbnail with Tank's new look lol

the promoters of Woodstock 99 master classed the blue prints for fucking up festivals. Fyre Fest then decided to try and Blue Ridge said…HA, hold my beer.

Similiar thing happened to Topfest Slovakia when they canceled the festival like two weeks before start. The biggest headliner Scorpions didn't even know about that. And yeah no one will ever see the money back. In short the festival was canceled because the organizer didn't have money on it. It was just pure robbery.

I don't know about how US prices are for festivals, but 230$ for a linup without at least 2-3 big heavy hitters is really overpriced considering how festivals are around here where I live.

Tank, you rule. Thanks for putting the sponsor in a chapter. My time is my most valuable thing I have.

As someone who's only a passive consumer of news regarding poorly run events, it surprises me just how many instances there seem to be of event organizers refusing to pay venues properly before the event, resulting in the event getting moved or cancelled the day of. Like, I do understand that much of an event's revenue comes from ticket sales as well as on-ground merchandise and amenities like food or water, but its wild to me that so many venues/locations are willing to wait that long for payment, or at least partial payment. Like it really seems like the raceway really gave the organizers until the day before the event to pay, and that's just so bizarre to me. Why give such a broad window of payment time? All it does is increase the risk of an immense failure and complete loss of money for every possible attendee. It's not just disastrous events, too; it seems like it's just a core practice amongst any moneymaking venture to not tell anybody that shit has fallen through until the last possible second, or even later. People are lucky if they get laid off of their job with even a two week notice, and it seems like tons of fans willing to attend events are lucky if they get any sort upfront communication until after the event is basically over.

Last year capulet was at the same venue and attracted a less than 200 people for the weekend . Even then it was slightly disorganized, people paid for VIP to meet the bands and the bands ultimately just sat outside their booths the entire time. It was amazing to talk and meet the people performing. That being said it was SUPER tiny. Im pretty sure this failed because they couldnt sell enough tickets to make the show happen.

Blue ridge is why I started watching this cool channel, and in turn why I started listen to Electric Callboy. So in a weird way I'm greatful they keep fucking up festivals.

Hahahahaha. Dude. I was booked to photograph this event and my point of contact in the media teamed emailed me the day before the announcement saying they quit without explanation. Good thing I didn’t book a hotel or anything

Tank, you ask why would so many bands continue to play this festival, and here’s the answer: a lot, if not all, of the smaller bands paid to play. Bands like Cold, Nothingmore, etc posted to their socials on the Thursday, the day before Capulet was to start, that they were pulling out due to circumstances beyond their control. Then a lot more bands canceled throughout the weekend, and some were canceled BY the promoter because he couldn’t pay them (10 Years, Saint Asonia, etc). Hell, Taproot didn’t even know what was going on until late Saturday night/early Sunday morning.

So, the band LiveKill were on the small stage and that room was double booked. They, unfortunately, had their set cut after one song because the room needed to be cleared out and setup for the other event scheduled to be in there, but the main room was still being used for the rest of the bands.

I'm from Connecticut and go to the Webster pretty often. I knew the fest was going on thru billboards but my MOM was the one who told me it was a shit show. I knew it was bad if it was on the local news and she was telling me lol

👁️ 👁️ Me as a Blue Ridge survivor watching Capulet survivors possibly get refunds

Hey, CT person here. None of us here even knew about this “festival”… kinda surprised this was a thing

This shit was wild. He completely ghosted bands, dropped them from the fest. They found out when they weren't on the flyer. It was completely unacceptable how this was handled. The fans are the ones that suffered the most. We got a day off at the beach and fans lost hundreds of dollars and time off work they can't get back. Such a bummer this happened.

Heard about this on Skeptics Guide To The Universe. One of the hosts went to this with his daughter, apparently she's a big fan of August Burns red. All I could think of was "I know what Tanks next videos gonna be!!!" lol

Thompson is about an hour from me and Webster is about 45 minutes. I was planning on going to the Friday show because of August Burns Red and Haste The Day. Even though they apparently played, I am really glad I didn't go. Gone to many shows at Webster in the past and shows usually go on without a problem. That parking lot there is tiny so I don't know how they were planning to keep the parking passes and such. That is just laughable. So many end up parking on the street for regular shows there.

The problem is that there are very few adults in charge of anything anymore. Childish dreamers (no matter what their age) have no business running anything more complicated than a curbside lemonade stand.

2:00 Tank, it's not just music festivals, it's just a symptom of a general crisis of competency. It runs in veins deep into every part of the economy and at certain points, it overwhelms even well planned and oiled machines. This will likely only get worse as experience leaves industries and the competence of the torch bearers doesn't keep pace.

I’m only half way through and it’s already sounding like a play by play of a festival in Australia called pandemonium rocks… Venue cancelled ✅ Promoter not being transparent ✅ Bands cancelling/ not booked ✅ Refund problems ✅ Will be interesting to see if there were issues with VIP package, disability viewing, data breech and a totally corrupt promoter who was once done for money laundering and other failed festivals in the past…

As someone who attended both, BRRF takes the trophy. Felt bad for the bands at Capulet, cuz the show was half full at best.. and I mean maybe 400 people at webster

I find it interesting, that the Terms are actually legal in the US (or certain states). Just from the quick view, and without digging deeper, I am certain they would not be legal in Germany and probably most European countries. It´s been a while, but I worked 2 decades in that business. People can print in their AGB/ToU whatever they want, that does not mean it is legal.

I was considering going to Sunday with my son who's at UCONN. I was always waiting for feedback on the first two days and the weather before pulling the trigger. I figured if it somehow sold out, oh well. The location is a long way from a city. Between that and the lack of a real headliner I expected maybe 5,000 at most. The fact that they had fewer than 1,000 for the first two days was nuts.

I think you’ll see once the AG takes the case that the promoter voided his own contract by intentional fraudulent action

Yeah the AG said that refund policy ain't going to hold up. Minimal differences between ticket purchase and event date can be covered by non refund policies, you can't promise one thing and then completely change it up the way this guy did.

Another great video from Tank! This makes me think of a metal festival I went to years ago here in Upstate New York held at the Oswego Motor Speedway. 5FDP and Killswitch Engage were the headliners on the main stage. The first mistake made was the promotors completely over sold the festival tickets. Then half-way through the day about half the bands still scheduled to play are no longer playing because the dumb ass crew they hired brought in an unsafe headlining stage for not only the bands to play on but it was also unsafe for the fans to be there around it. They literally had to truck-in a completely new stage and set it all up for the final bands. It ended with Trivium, Killswitch Engage and 5FDP on the main stage. I walked around the crowd during Killswitch and found Frankie Palmeri the singer in Emmure watching the set. I stopped, gave him and fist bump with a hug and said I was sorry his band never got to play the festival that day. He was very nice. In the end I am EXTREMELY glad they decided to ship in a new stage. It could have been a massive catastrophe with lots of lives lost that day due to poor management at a metal festival.

While it's not Rock/Metal, I've DJ'd a decent amount of Dance Music festivals in my local scene and worked as a promoter for a few promotional agencies. As a result I have a bit of insight that is probably applicable. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these festivals are abject failures because they book tons of bands/artists at big venues without the capital to back it up. In my experience these people are depending on a literal sold out show for them to be able to pay everyone back, and when it doesn't happen, the whole thing implodes in on itself. You said it yourself--there weren't many headliner worthy acts for a show that was asking for tons of money. I went to Hell in the Harbor last year for $150 for 2 days, and while Death Metal certainly doesn't draw like Radio Rock, it also wasn't charging over $500 a ticket. Given how saturated the festival market is this time of year, that is a lot of money to ask of people who can almost undoubtedly pay similar to or less than what Capulet was charging, and see more and better bands.

concert/event insurance always. i never regretted paying the extra on my Def Lep/Motley/Poison tickets originally scheduled for summer of 2020

Thank GOD Brutal Assault in Czech Republic was awesome and because of that i love them. I bought a ticket to BA for 2020. As we know, a small virus broke out and made a huge mess. Since i was left without a work, i asked for refund. They asked maybe i can wait for next year, ticket would be available. I had to say no to that cause i needed money for living. They were understanding and had a refund. Last year i went cause i got a job and could afford a fest. They earned every cent of my hard earned money. And BTW was going to BA since 2011!

I feel like at this point if I ever go to a festival I'm only going to a well known, more put together festival just to be safe 🤣

I was in the music industry pre-COVID and from my experience, really sounds like people trying to do festivals who don't have the professional experience to know how to do it right. Sorry guys, that actually years of experience and much research and its not something you should just jump into.

I went Friday night and it was a great show for the Webster. I had a weekend pass. Now I know a lot of ppl didn’t go but by haste the day the place was packed. Again for the Webster. Nothing like the size of the speed way. And what you didn’t mention was the vendors that that got fucked in this shit show. They advertise like 75 vendor tents and food trucks and beer trucks. Like wtf now they move it to the fucking hood in Hartford. They’re the ones that got fucked out of thousands. Thanks for the video on it cuz everyone needs their money back. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

I saw skillet for the first time ever in Pickering Ontario when they were touring with adelitas way. Both bands were really amazing and it was also my first ever time in the pit. I’m in a wheelchair because I have Spina Bifida and at least In Canada no venue will let me on the floor because of safety concerns which I find funny because I think I would have a way better chance of quickly getting out of the venue if I was on the floor rather then in a designated spot but for whatever reason this venue in Pickering gave me the choice to be on the floor or in a spot for people with disabilities and of course i picked the pit. The one thing i didn’t like was how they handled the vip thing. The vip included a meet and greet with skillet ( that and early entry are the only two reasons I bought vip) so when they had everyone lined up for the meet and greet a tour rep came out to explain how it was gonna go. To me he explained it like him nor the band wanted to do this and at one point he even said something really close to that. The rest of the rules were the standard don’t take too much time and then he said the band isn’t singing anymore. I was already nervous to meet them and then your throwing all these rules at me i didn’t know what I could or couldn’t do so I just said a quick “ hey” and a few other words then took a picture then went to get merch. Not at all how I wanted it to go. The band was really nice and seemed like they actually wanted to be there.

I suspect that ticket sales were not what they accounted tor. Especially the 750 weekend VIP Pass. With paying deposits to the bands, venue and production company they ran out of money. I read somewhere else the production company was owed 110k, and the track was not fully paid. I also kind wonder if there wasnt any permits to hold the festival at the track.

Bro, it’s been a minute since I’ve watched your vids and man you are looking fit AF. Gym grind is paying off!

I have been waiting for you to speak on this since the moment I saw It Dies Today cancel their set which prompted me to look into what happened. Honestly, at this point I personally believe American festivals just don't measure up to European fests and aren't worth the risk. Festivals like this just ruin it for all American fests unfortunately. I'd rather spend a lot more and go overseas to a festival I know is well organized and established that will communicate well and there's a very low chance of last minute chaos than ever attend a festival in the US despite it being much closer to Canada. Between US fests starting to have a bad reputation and the US just in general being an extremely unsafe country compared to most, no thanks.