BLUE THUNDER (1983) - Mover Ruins Movies

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C.W. Lemoine

C.W. Lemoine

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Commercial helicopter pilot/fighter pilot reacts to scenes from the 1983 movie BLUE THUNDER. Looking for a good book? Check out the SPECTRE Series: www.cwlemoine.com
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@Caffeine_Club
@Caffeine_Club 2 жыл бұрын
F-16 pilot after blowing up civilian restaurant in downtown L.A.: "HOLY SHIT." MOVER: "That's a valid reaction." 🤣🤣🤣
@ninjabearpress2574
@ninjabearpress2574 2 жыл бұрын
Al that chicken, wasted, still makes me sad...and hungry.
@nabilbudiman271
@nabilbudiman271 2 жыл бұрын
_we're going to jail dude_
@Caffeine_Club
@Caffeine_Club 2 жыл бұрын
@@nabilbudiman271 🤣🤣🤣
@cimiez1
@cimiez1 2 жыл бұрын
Koreatown
@Ryan_Christopher
@Ryan_Christopher 2 жыл бұрын
@@ninjabearpress2574 Was not wasted. Homeless people scooped them all up after the scene. Real roasted chicken.
@mrgone658
@mrgone658 2 жыл бұрын
The best line ever written in a script is in this movie: "You're supposed to be stupid; don't abuse the privilege!"
@hotel3667
@hotel3667 Жыл бұрын
When your walking on eggs, dont hop.
@KapiteinKrentebol
@KapiteinKrentebol 8 ай бұрын
This thing is more nose heavy than the Ayatollah.
@blatherama
@blatherama 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite line comes after the failed test: Fletcher: One civilian dead for every ten terrorists. That's an acceptable ratio. Frank Murphy: [Leaning closer to Braddock] Unless you're one of the civilians!
@auroran0
@auroran0 2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping Mover was going to play that clip.
@SkipTerrio
@SkipTerrio 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing a MRM on one of my favorite movies! A few interesting points: The AH-64 Apache was approved for production the same year this movie was in production (1982). Most of its capabilities were not publicly known, so the production designer, Phillip Harrison, extrapolated from speculative magazine articles like Popular Mechanics. I'd say he did very well! The "Harrison Fire Control Helmet" demonstrated to Murphy in the movie is named for Phillip Harrison. The original concept for the movie was "'Taxi Driver' in the air". Murphy was supposed to grow increasingly psychotic until he snaps. The production realized quickly that they would need extensive help from the LAPD to film this movie, so a cop going psychotic was not going to fly, so to speak. There are still remnants of this original idea in the movie--for example, Murphy's total disregard for the lives of people in the buildings and on the ground during the air battle. The aerial stunt coordinator was Jim Gavin, a LONG time stunt pilot who has worked on a million movies and TV shows. He and his crew were all Vietnam chopper pilots. Gavin would teach the actors how to fly during the course of the production, and Roy Scheider got good enough to actually control the helicopter. Roy Scheider was in the Air Force, and washed out of pilot training because he was, in his words, "a lousy navigator". The LAPD cooperated extensively on the production, even taking the director and others on actual ride alongs in their helicopters. The liquor store robbery scene with the guy in the orange shirt and cowboy hat was cribbed directly from an actual call that happened during one of the ride along flights. The only exception to the LAPDs cooperation was that they forbade the producers from calling it the "LAPD Helicopter Division," which is why the unit is called the "Astro Division" in the movie. The writer, Dan O'Bannon, was annoyed by the story changes to his original concept. He wrote the aerial battle over Los Angeles to be as complex and dangerous as he could make it, thinking they would never be able to get permission to shoot it, and would abandon the project. Malcolm McDowell was deathly afraid to fly. He signed on to the picture on the guarantee that they should shoot all his cockpit scenes on the ground with rear projection and green screen. When he saw Roy Scheider and Danny Stern eagerly hopping aboard, he felt bad and reluctantly volunteered to go up. Between scenes, he would have to put his head between his knees because he was so sick. The real ships were modified at a shop in Costa Mesa, California. The FAA had to monitor and approve each modification. They ended up adding over 200lbs to each helicopter, and they did, indeed, struggle under the weight. The scene where Blue Thunder does a loop is an R/C model. The chickens dropped in the street when the F-16 missile destroys the BBQ chicken shack were all real roasted chickens, which were much cheaper than rubber ones. One the shot was finished, an army of homeless people swarmed in to grab all the chickens.
@EdD-ym6le
@EdD-ym6le 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting , thanks Jack .
@steveconaway774
@steveconaway774 2 жыл бұрын
Great insight. I’ve read a lot about the history and filming of Blue Thunder and you taught me some stuff I never knew. Oddly, I work about 2 miles from Circus Liquor. The place where the robbery scene was filmed.
@homesteadishdad
@homesteadishdad 2 жыл бұрын
This are great factoids! And the part about the chickens doesn't surprise me.
@MiddleMalcolm
@MiddleMalcolm 2 жыл бұрын
Jim Gavin is legendary and it's never surprising to see him working on the best photographed flight scenes. One thing I remember about trivia from this film was his focused attention to all things safety in the wake of the the "Twilight Zone" incident. Even as a kid, I recognized him on screen as the likely "real pilot", as he showed up on camera so often, because of the sheer number of titles he worked on. Incredible body of work. The aerial photography on Blue Thunder is just amazing. Great movie, and Roy Scheider is fantastic as Murphy.
@FranciscoPartidas
@FranciscoPartidas 2 жыл бұрын
Whoaaa
@earthwindflier
@earthwindflier 2 жыл бұрын
Props to the writers for having the presence of mind to throw the yoga scene in there. It's sort of like throwing a "Shelby" tag on a Mustang.
@ninjabearpress2574
@ninjabearpress2574 2 жыл бұрын
I was saddened by the loss of the chicken shack.
@BillySinnz
@BillySinnz 2 жыл бұрын
Her tan was so even too.
@jessehamm3573
@jessehamm3573 2 жыл бұрын
It always cracks me up that Malcolm McDowell kept finding himself assuming prominent roles in aviation movies, despite the fact that the actor was morbidly terrified of flying. Seven years earlier, he played a squadron commander in 1976's "Aces High", which still ranks as the best WWI aviation film to date.
@sinepilot
@sinepilot 2 жыл бұрын
I saw this movie before I'd ever seen an Apache or knew it was in development. When I was 11, my uncle told me one day "there's this movie about a helicopter that automatically aims a gun wherever the pilot is looking!" and I was hooked from that point forward. And it's absolutely the reason why I love the Apache today. When I fly Apache in DCS, I'm really pretending it's BT. The first time I flew with a friend, he was back seater and pulled off an accidental barrel roll and I involuntarily yelled "what's up Blue Thunder!" I guess my point is you can't ruin this movie for me. 😀
@vf111sundower
@vf111sundower 2 жыл бұрын
Blue Thunder was modeled after the early AH-1 Cobra, Hence the square armored glass. Yes that was a light bulb he removed from the button. Its a shame that JAFO turned to a life of crime and tormented a small boy that was "Home Alone". And the F-16 not only sounded like Battlestar Galactica Vipers as they flew by but their control sticks were identical to them as well.
@sparrowlt
@sparrowlt 2 жыл бұрын
the stick is from a OV-1 Mohawk
@vf111sundower
@vf111sundower 2 жыл бұрын
@@sparrowlt well then that's where Galactic got them from...
@sparrowlt
@sparrowlt 2 жыл бұрын
@@vf111sundower Galactica at least relabeled the buttons (TURBO, FIRE, IM) .. here they left it as it is (STORES, CAMERA AUTO, CAMERA PULSE)
@SPQRTempus
@SPQRTempus 2 жыл бұрын
@@sparrowlt If you watch some of the stock footage from BSG some sticks still have the original labels. You can clearly see them in the pilot episode especially.
@andrewharper4296
@andrewharper4296 2 жыл бұрын
😂 you beat me to it, yep I remember that control stick from Battlestar too. Haha.
@KanishkRSingh
@KanishkRSingh 2 жыл бұрын
My dad's a Mi35 operator (Indian air force) I showed him this video and he was impressed. His thoughts were exactly the same as yours, he is really particular bout his helicopters so gotta say You know your choppers
@ghmsr8062
@ghmsr8062 Жыл бұрын
Hollywood never seems to get the proper sounds of helicopters and guns/weaponry right. That first generation fenestron tail rotor was a screamer. It got a bit better in the EC series, but still loud. I still have a lean towards the 222, it had its share of operational headaches, but really loved working on it.
@christophergrow
@christophergrow 2 жыл бұрын
Funny note: Blue Thunder was made into a TV show around the same time AirWolf was on TV. Obviously, AirWolf was a more popular show. Interestingly, the BlueThunder TV show cast included James Farentino from "The Final Countdown" and his JAFO was Dana Carvey / Church Lady from SNL.
@bouncebynum
@bouncebynum 2 жыл бұрын
And Bubba Smith and Dick Butkus. It was so bad it was good.
@bouncebynum
@bouncebynum 2 жыл бұрын
There was some great flying in the TV show too, though. Lots of cool planes, too.
@danielross7983
@danielross7983 2 жыл бұрын
@@bouncebynum Yeah... that's part of why the series was cut, as Airwolf used RC models... which was a lot cheaper.
@Highice007
@Highice007 2 жыл бұрын
I saw that show in like 2016 after I found a copy of the show at a Best Buy. The movie was dark and serious, the areal sceans of the helicopter were good, but the show was too light hearted, and tame. Almost a kids show.
@timmooney7528
@timmooney7528 2 жыл бұрын
On the TV show they added the center barrel on the cannon that was single shot accurate. When it fired it sounded like a .38 special. They funny part of the show was it supported the reason why police should be flying around in privacy invading gunships with devastating hardware, while the movie made the argument this was a bad thing.
@gregorymaupin6388
@gregorymaupin6388 2 жыл бұрын
I remember my girlfriend at the time was wanting to see this because her dad flew helicopters 🚁 in Dallas and she took me to see it. I paid she drove. I’m glad you got it out of KZfaq jail!
@Highice007
@Highice007 2 жыл бұрын
The F-16 stick came off a Mohawk observer aircraft, and was also used for the vipers in the origional Battlestar Galactica. You were right, the sight on the F-16 is from an F-5.
@sinformant
@sinformant 2 жыл бұрын
This was hands down one of my favorite movies as a kid! I also watched airwolf religiously, but after growing up I tried to go back and watch airwolf and couldn't get into it, blue thunder still holds up for me. Just in case you are curious there is a KZfaqr (Nightflyyer)who did the f16 scenes in the movie flying rc f16's.
@barryg4927
@barryg4927 2 жыл бұрын
Blue Thunder is an absolute icon of the 80’s!!!! LOVE IT!
@EdD-ym6le
@EdD-ym6le 2 жыл бұрын
Roy Shreider was a great actor . Blue Thunder and an Apache are very similar so the machine is very realistic . I watched Airwolf also and while very cool in one episode it was at 80,000 feet at Mach something so far fetched . The ep 1 - 2 hour Airwolf movie was pretty good as movies of that type go .
@bionicsjw
@bionicsjw 2 жыл бұрын
In the late 80s-2004 I was a Flight Attendant and had Roy Scheider was one of the nicest celebrities I ever had on a flight. It would take too long to tell the whole story but let’s just say he went out of his way to do something nice for one of our crew.
@JinKee
@JinKee 2 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine if Police SWAT managed to buy old Air National Guard Apaches under the 1033 Program? Everyone lost their minds when the cops showed up at the Fergusson riots in MRAPs.
@JinKee
@JinKee 2 жыл бұрын
9:20 how did they keep the stunt men safe from the rotor blades when staging a full sized helicopter crash?
@animaltvi9515
@animaltvi9515 2 жыл бұрын
Yes the 80,000feet bit was far fetched but in theory the mach 1 plus bit is possible . As the body would act as a lift body .and disengaging the rotor would stop them over speeding. The big problem would whether they would get ripped off whilst disengaged. . So yes it isn't actually possible but the theory is sound. . We won't mention the weapon load out tho. Shhh
@EdD-ym6le
@EdD-ym6le 2 жыл бұрын
@@animaltvi9515 I get the lifting body thing , hadn't considered that . So where's all the fuel go that powers 4 gas turbines lol It was a cool show and actually the episode I remember where it went 80K I thought was a cool idea " ghost in the machine " kind of thing where it kept trying to start WW3 and though I enjoyed it I remember thinking _NOPE_ when the scene at altitude played . Plus the Bell 222 is pretty bad azz in real life .
@jamestheyounger8895
@jamestheyounger8895 2 жыл бұрын
As a child I loved this movie. I would watch it again and again with my motorcycle helmet on and pretend I was flying a helicopter.
@Maccer229
@Maccer229 2 жыл бұрын
Aww Mover. I have to disagree. For me, Blue Thunder was the original. It is a thing of beauty and best of all, the audio is incredible. It actually sounds like a helicopter....unlike Airwolf.
@michaelparks3106
@michaelparks3106 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Airwolf always seemed to me to be a crappy TV imitation of Blue Thunder. (I haven't seen an Airwolf movie, didn't even know there was one.)
@abbynormall207
@abbynormall207 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I forgot about this movie. I remember watching it and loving it.
@bobstigall8206
@bobstigall8206 4 ай бұрын
This helicopter is actually an Aerospatiale Gazelle that was stripped , and all the turbine intakes , hard points , as well as all those canopy windows . The displays , and the computer on board was props . The flying sequences @ the end were really filmed over the streets of L.A . Airwolf ( while a pretty Bell 222), was believable until they “ sped up “ the video .
@rogergittings1971
@rogergittings1971 2 ай бұрын
He thinks it’s ugly, I mean it is passable for an Apache. And the exaggerated canopy seems practical.
@frednoeyes6330
@frednoeyes6330 2 жыл бұрын
As much as I agree that Airwolf is objectively prettier (it's a 222 so that's a given), I like that they tried to make Blue Thunder more down to earth, at least in it's design. I can almost see elements of a proto-RAH-66, what with the 'stealth elements', Fenestron tail rotor, and the mini-20mm cannon. Also maybe they're implying that the weird thermal lock display in the F-16 is supposed to be like a feed from the AIM-9's thermal sensor? IDK
@sparrowlt
@sparrowlt 2 жыл бұрын
the thermal thing im sure was to make audiences understand "fully" that the missiles were tracking the helicopter heat and then how that worked out so Murphy could decoy them with other heat sources... I would done the realistic sidewinder growling and the diamond on the HUD over BT but im guessing the producers probably toyght audiences might not get that.. despite characters having said before they could attack BT with heatseekers "surgically like a tummor". Also funny is that that left "display" on the Viper A isnt even a display at all.. it only displays numbers and text
@antiquatedflatulence1607
@antiquatedflatulence1607 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this when it first came out. I really liked the yoga scene too 👍👍.
@kenkessner9594
@kenkessner9594 2 жыл бұрын
Mover, I flew with LAPD Air Support Div as a Sgt for 9 yrs. I flew with the best JAFO to work our unit, Jim Mahon (RIP). He coined the term JAFO (Just A Fucking Observer) & the directors decided to use it.
@gabravo2005
@gabravo2005 4 ай бұрын
Just came across this. I recently went to a week long training with LAPD Air Support. They are very proud of this movie. It was a class of about 50 people and I was only 1 of maybe 5 people that had heard of this movie or seen it. I am currently 42. It was actually cool walking around the Hooper Heliport.
@oubrioko
@oubrioko 2 жыл бұрын
*Blue Thunder* and *WarGames* were each directed by John Badham, and both were released in 1983. Several actors appear in both films
@michaelpavlovich2241
@michaelpavlovich2241 2 жыл бұрын
Mover this is great!! Suspending our disbelief and taking at face value the “capabilities” of each helicopter, Airwolf was the faster, sleeker looking, more heavily armed, but Blue Thunder’s sheer ugliness and that big cigar-looking gun on the front and all the other stuff hanging off of it from all angles, to me, that was my favorite. My brother and I probably nearly came to blows as kids arguing over this. Gonna have to agree to disagree. Airwolf is the “better” helicopter”, but Blue Thunder will always look more badass to me! Thanks for another great “Mover Ruins Movies”!
@whataboutbob1000
@whataboutbob1000 2 жыл бұрын
I'm amazed you never seen this until now. Not as good as Airwolf. Now you're ready for Streethawk!
@animaltvi9515
@animaltvi9515 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody is ready for streethawk. That was awful.
@m.andrews5578
@m.andrews5578 2 жыл бұрын
@@animaltvi9515 Not when your a growing teen 😅 i started driving bikes later then
@ryanleffers3661
@ryanleffers3661 2 жыл бұрын
Can’t forget about Automan. Lol!
@johnmaddox447
@johnmaddox447 2 жыл бұрын
Firefox (1982)
@bodazaphfa
@bodazaphfa Жыл бұрын
@@johnmaddox447 that’s a good one!
@LJNason
@LJNason 6 ай бұрын
I absolutely loved this movie as a kid. I met Jim Gavin (Blue Thunder pilot) while working on MH-53E SeaDragons as a Mech in the Navy (HM-15) and Peter McKernan and Frank Sweet (Airwolf pilots) and Roger “T.C.” Mosley at a fly-in while in flight school in Tulsa, Oklahoma years ago. Those guys were really cool and very skilled pilots. But I’m putting my vote into the hat on Blue Thunder and the Hughes 500 from Magnum PI!!! Okay, I’ll give Riptide’s “Screaming Mimi” an honorable mention!
@timothybuckley6960
@timothybuckley6960 2 жыл бұрын
I loved how they had to have Malcolm McDowell scream right before he died, thats the way a villian should die. Have you ever thought of doing a reaction to WWII fighter gun camera footage? I'd love to get your expert input.
@andrewhickinbottom1051
@andrewhickinbottom1051 2 жыл бұрын
I love that he covers his face - like that's gonna help! 😅
@timothybuckley6960
@timothybuckley6960 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewhickinbottom1051 LOL exactly!
@MoonHowlerGaming
@MoonHowlerGaming 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with you 100% Mover. The Lady (Airwolf) remains my favorite and has very nice lines. Blue Thunder is very ugly, but I grew up in the 80's, and Blue Thunder remains a nostalgic guilty pleasure of mine. Love the theme.
@sparrowlt
@sparrowlt 2 жыл бұрын
its uglier but that was the point.. Blue Thunder was designed after the Apache and Cobras and to look as pure military as posible.. so it was ugly but functional.. all square due to armor panels.. sensor pods and weapons hanging from outside.. Airwolf on the other hand was designed to be able to disguise itself in civilian traffic .. (wolf with a sheep skin logo) so it also looked much nicer while less realistic as a combat helo
@MoonHowlerGaming
@MoonHowlerGaming 2 жыл бұрын
@@sparrowlt I should clarify. By ugly, I mean beautiful ugly. Blue Thunder is one of my all time favorite movies of the 80's. To this day I still watch it from time to time. I also own Airwolf season 1 - 3 on DVD. I agree that BT is much more realistic in its armament. Airwolf is pure fantasy. But I've been in love with Airwolf from the first time I laid eyes on her as she rose from behind the ridge and flew towards the camera.
@amuxpatch2798
@amuxpatch2798 2 жыл бұрын
@@sparrowlt Airwolf was a Agusta/Bell helicopter ,no modification at all for the movie/tv series just a passenger helicopter with its two tone colour.
@sparrowlt
@sparrowlt 2 жыл бұрын
@@amuxpatch2798 it was moded adding wider body extensions for the extra engines and weapon pods and had extra body over the rear windows..
@timmooney7528
@timmooney7528 2 жыл бұрын
Blue thunder was intended to be a scary beast in the wrong hands. Imagine the helicopter in it's "urban pacification" role during a protest gone bad. Airwolf i intended to be a pretty but violent killer whale that only eats bad guys.
@53kenner
@53kenner 2 жыл бұрын
I watched Blue Thunder in Chicago during my first Navy Reserve ACDUTRA after getting off active duty on the USS Eisenhower. It was a helluva ride.
@034G63EVO
@034G63EVO 2 жыл бұрын
I was born in '81. I remember watching Air Wolf with my dad. Loved that show!
@rwegert
@rwegert 2 жыл бұрын
Good commenting! Note: the bolt that got loos on the JetRanger was mounted wrong. Inverted. 😉
@AIRWOLFMovie
@AIRWOLFMovie 2 жыл бұрын
That was the idea.
@calvinlee1813
@calvinlee1813 2 жыл бұрын
Firefox (1982) used the same set up for Gazelles standing in for Mi-24s during the submarine sequence. Airwolf had the advantage of Ernest Borgnine.
@starkparker16
@starkparker16 2 жыл бұрын
MRM Firefox?
@CidSupra
@CidSupra 2 жыл бұрын
Both helos were also used in the miniseries "Amerika".
@MarcusAurileus
@MarcusAurileus 2 жыл бұрын
The helicooters used in Firefox were all models....there's pics of Eastood holding one floating around.
@MarcusAurileus
@MarcusAurileus 2 жыл бұрын
For the loops, Blue Thunder was an RC model and you can tell because you can see smaller stabilizing blades between the TWO main rotor blades. The model was changed to a 2 blade rotor system instead of 3.
@PolarizedMechs
@PolarizedMechs 2 жыл бұрын
The interior of the "Hind" in Firefox is the Blue Thunder's cockpit--the GIB is sitting sideways.
@bigman-adv
@bigman-adv Жыл бұрын
I watched it as a child with the original Movie Ruiner, my dad. An Israeli Air Force Lt Col that was a Bell 205 and later C130 navigator. I remember clearly his comments during the movie, 'that's non sense, can't do that'...
@Upuauta
@Upuauta 2 жыл бұрын
The scene where the F16 explodes by the gun fire was made with a real RC modell airplane. The person who build and flew it has a youtube channel by the name NightFlyyer. There you can find a videoabout how the scene was made.
@seybertooth9282
@seybertooth9282 2 жыл бұрын
14:20 Always struck me as silly that the SWAT chopper actually follows him around the drain canals, under the bridges and whatnot. Like... why? They could just fly above the bridges and shoot from there or wait for him to come out.
@RobertMorgan
@RobertMorgan Жыл бұрын
Also...up-armored attack helicopter...taking fire and damage from 5.56s..............................ok.
@barryrodgers3039
@barryrodgers3039 2 жыл бұрын
I like the look of Blue Thunder helicopter. The large slab glass reminds me of early Hind helicopters while the rest is very Cobra like. So much collateral damage. LOL.
@SackyX
@SackyX 2 жыл бұрын
Ha, the side stick in the F-16 at time index 17:38 is from a Viper... from Battlestar Galactica. 😆
@JTLaser1
@JTLaser1 2 жыл бұрын
1983….. I was already retired from the USAF for four years! You’re so young, Mover!
@davidkanengieter
@davidkanengieter 2 жыл бұрын
Roy Scheider would have killed so many Great White sharks with that mamma jamma.
@paulweatherford5544
@paulweatherford5544 2 жыл бұрын
My Dad flew little birds (OH-6) in Vietnam. I was about 13 when the movie came out. My Dad was thrilled, but we watched Airwolf on TV together. I did get my private pilots license for a fixed wing in college in 1990. Took my Dad up with me and he loved it. It was just a Cesnia 150, but flying a tail dragger is tough. I was 20 at the time.
@sgd5k292
@sgd5k292 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry, but a C-150 is a not a tail dragger. You must be thinking of a C-120 (no flaps) or C-140 (has flaps). I know, I owned a C-120. and I started with a C-150 and then bought the C-120 to finish my PPL. A tail dragger is much harder to learn take offs and landings than a trigear plane. EDIT: I did a little research and found that there are tail dragger C-150s available! Sorry, my bad! I learned something new tonight!!
@paulweatherford5544
@paulweatherford5544 2 жыл бұрын
SGD 5K2 Most my of my hours was in a C-172 In college, but I converted to a C-150 which was converted to a tail dragger. It had flaps, and the engine was also a 100 hp conversation. My check ride was in the converted 150 because I finished up with a family member who owned one and was an IP. Kept down the cost. I had to have extra hours just do to the transition. The check ride was not with my family member, but a FAA instructor who knew the airplane. Where I am from, everyone knew everyone regarding aviation. My father- in-law had a 140 which was a true tail dragger. I kept up with my license until It was too expensive to fly. Now, I fly drones from r my surveying practice.
@sgd5k292
@sgd5k292 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulweatherford5544 I don't fly regularly anymore except the rare times when I'm with a pilot friend. I do fly RC float, sailplanes and anything else that I can get my hands on. Even a drone sometimes. Been flying RC since 1963 or so and controline before that.
@paulweatherford5544
@paulweatherford5544 2 жыл бұрын
SGD 5K2 I’m a little younger than you. I am drawn to the channel as Mover has a full and fair free life so to speak. I surrendered my license a long time ago. I enjoyed flying in my youth but it was expensive. All good. I enjoy aviation videos.
@Nighthawk429
@Nighthawk429 2 жыл бұрын
Blue Thunder was my jam back in the '80's!
@richardrussell7082
@richardrussell7082 6 ай бұрын
The "hit the brakes and fly right by" move basically started with Apollo in Battlestar Galactica (1978)
@superkjell
@superkjell 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see Mover trying to ruin the old, British tv-show Piece of Cake, with lots of Spitfires doing Spitfire stuff
@swhiteley7986
@swhiteley7986 2 жыл бұрын
Ray Hanna and the bridge scene
@honymonster30
@honymonster30 2 жыл бұрын
Or the Battle of Britain has some of the best flying scenes in any movie
@johnosbourn4312
@johnosbourn4312 2 жыл бұрын
Blue Thunder is a heavily modified Gazelle, and the cues of it being a Gazelle are as follows: #1- The tail rotor is the Fenstrom type, #2- The main rotor is a three bladed design, #3- The aircraft has an exposed drive shaft for the tail rotor, and #4- The chopper has a single engine with a very promonant exhaust, along with externally mounted oil coolers.
@drwheycooler8423
@drwheycooler8423 2 жыл бұрын
Fenestron...
@MarcusAurileus
@MarcusAurileus 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah....CW mentioned it was a Gazelle
@martf8014
@martf8014 2 жыл бұрын
we all know
@dereksmith1803
@dereksmith1803 2 жыл бұрын
GREATEST helicopter movie ever. Not an ugly bird. Way better acting than in airwolf. JMO
@SC457A
@SC457A 2 жыл бұрын
As an 11 year old, I loved this movie. Always fun seeing it talked about.
@TheWabbitSeason
@TheWabbitSeason 2 жыл бұрын
@11:58 I used to visit the LAPD SWAT armory as a kid. I even got to climb around in the Ram. SWAT had all sorts of fun toys including MP5s, M16s, AT4, and a very large weapon for the RAM or helicopter (.50BMG or 20mm, I don't remember). During the San Diego police chase of the stolen M60 tank, the SD police ask dispatch to call LAPD because they knew LAPD had an anti tank weapon.
@nabilbudiman271
@nabilbudiman271 Жыл бұрын
what is the ram ? the V-100 APC ?
@TheWabbitSeason
@TheWabbitSeason Жыл бұрын
​@@nabilbudiman271 Yes. When LAPD put the boom on the front, it became a battering ram to get through steel doors.
@nabilbudiman271
@nabilbudiman271 Жыл бұрын
@@TheWabbitSeason ah that's what I thought, did they already put the smiley face on the battering ram back in the 80s ?
@emiliopelayo6790
@emiliopelayo6790 2 жыл бұрын
How about the next Mover Ruins Movies the clint eastwood "classic" FireFox
@quacksackerthegreatstarfir6996
@quacksackerthegreatstarfir6996 22 күн бұрын
I remember hearing Roy Schider calling the the chopper a big blue beetle in an interview....
@vanderloo1978
@vanderloo1978 Ай бұрын
Blue Thunder is awesome. That helicopter still looks cool. Production wise this movie is amazing. With that said, Catch you later!
@goldleader6074
@goldleader6074 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure that Airwolf came about because of Blue Thunder.
@timmooney7528
@timmooney7528 2 жыл бұрын
you are correct. Blue Thunder showed there was a market for a show with awesome helicpopter stunts.
@Retro-gamer1984
@Retro-gamer1984 2 жыл бұрын
I forgot about this film! I think the helicopter actually looks really cool :) Nice flying scenes, I can't believe he used civilian buildings to evade the missiles!
@KapiteinKrentebol
@KapiteinKrentebol 8 ай бұрын
According to some sources (imdb) Roy Scheider opposed to this scene as a law enforcement type wouldn't do that. But Hollywood I guess, splosions!
@madgeordierob7890
@madgeordierob7890 Жыл бұрын
"At least they didn't try and say it was supersonic" So here's a thing about the Blue Thunder spinoff TV series. Columbia had actually been toying with doing a sequel to the movie, until they heard CBS were doing Airwolf and they were *not* happy with CBS for "ripping them off", so they went ahead with a TV show even though the movie's writers (Dan O'Bannon and Don Jakoby) told them "It won't work as a series". Airwolf made it to air just ahead of Blue Thunder, and rather quickly it was apparent that Airwolf was the better show, so Columbia and ABC began very obviously trying to compete with Airwolf and you can see this actually translating into changes to the Blue Thunder helicopter week by week as they 'borrowed' elements from Airwolf. By episode 3, Blue Thunder's helmet visor has gone from being a standard manual pull-down visor to an automatic that slides down when the gun turret is activated. Chaney starts referring to the Turbine Boost as "Turbo Thrust" and its use was usually accompanied by an unconvincing shot of a jet of flame belching out of Blue Thunder's main turbine. Last but not least, in the final episode when Chaney is showing off features "...you can only find in Blue Thunder" (his words), he states that the ship can do speeds " ...close to Mach 1". Which is patently ridiculous but at this point the writing was already on the wall for the show (hell Dana Carvey didn't even show up for the last episode). (Also, someone at Columbia had a real hard-on for the Seiko Voice Note wristwatch; not only are Bubba and Ski wearing them in Blue Thunder, but all four Ghostbusters wore them in the original movie)
@jwt242
@jwt242 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mover! Loved "Blue Thunder" back in the day..
@Sidewayz455
@Sidewayz455 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate someone finally putting some spotlight on this movie, although I do not agree with some of the things you say; I mean, I'm not gonna pretend I know squat about flying, but I do know a thing or two about script-writing and I've read one of the earlier drafts for this one too =) To address the elephant first; yes Airwolf was a better TV series, but Blue Thunder was a better movie and frankly the first two AW episodes, aka the TV pilot was shit storywise imho. Funny enough the original design for the Thunder was to be to be very slick, advanced and aerodynamic, but due to technical limitations they ended up building a new canopy for a Gazelle and from what I've read the thing was a real hog when it came to flying, which makes it a testament to how good the stunt team actually was. And since Apache was made around the same time, it added to the realism and helped with the marketing, even if it made BT ugly. My biggest gripe with the movie story-wise was Murphy being selected as the 'civilian' test pilot due to his mental issues and service history BUTT, it checks itself from a plot perspective, because in the end it channels him to do the one thing he could the movie finale. MINOR SPOILER: As for the climax itself, Murph was shown to avoid civilian casualties from the start, and he wasn't really the one who fired these missiles, so it was arguably a case of self-defense, plus if he really was that blood thirsty, why didn't he kill the pilot? He was right there, defenseless. On a side note, I've always thought it was kinda lame that after facing planes the final boss is another helicopter, but in the end that battle is way more personal, and therefore better. And yes Cochrane was meant to be a prick =3 And Malcolm McDowell played him beautifully.
@destrocrimson
@destrocrimson 2 жыл бұрын
From what I remember Murph was selected was so the project would fail. And why Cochrane tried to kill him on that check ride. It was a project someone wanted to fail. From what I remember from the series. It was some big conspiracy thing.
@bryananderson3422
@bryananderson3422 2 жыл бұрын
The stick is a OV-1 stick which was used in Battle Star Galactica Vipers 😉
@6XENO9
@6XENO9 2 жыл бұрын
So it's correct Viper stick anyway :D
@sparrowlt
@sparrowlt 2 жыл бұрын
@@6XENO9 "hey..you said get me a Viper stick... so i did"
@scottmalone8147
@scottmalone8147 2 жыл бұрын
I love when you pause to point out what's wrong. I do the same thing. Mover you are legit the best bro. Keep it coming!
@hasbook7156
@hasbook7156 4 ай бұрын
One of my favorite movies! Lots of random trivia: - RC helicopter and F16s were used for many scenes - Malcolm McDowell was terrified of flying - they had to speed up the footage of many of the flying scenes as blue thunder was so slow Also thought it was funny that they were flying this top secret helicopter around the city in daylight for a check ride .
@cgamiga
@cgamiga 2 жыл бұрын
Great, underrated movie... loved the soundtrack as well! Just great and fun stunt flying. More realistic than slick cool Airwolf :) (except the hugely nose-heavy cannon..) Fun to hear how accurate things were, though nobody would ever approve shootdowns over populated LA! collateral damage...
@barryg4927
@barryg4927 2 жыл бұрын
Bad ASS movie!!
@SackyX
@SackyX 2 жыл бұрын
Finally, the Blue Thunder video is out of KZfaq jail. 😆 Congratulations Mover, you never disappoint you are such a role model, like it or not. Kick the tires and light the fires! 🔥
@-Cece
@-Cece 2 жыл бұрын
.....you stole my line
@richardwilliams5312
@richardwilliams5312 2 жыл бұрын
The 20mm was made from painted Broomsticks I remember them saying. And I think I wore the pause button out on me mums Betamax from the yoga scene when I was a kid 😅
@53kenner
@53kenner 2 жыл бұрын
Malcolm Macdowell was deathly afraid of flying and had it written into his contract that he could do his flying scenes on the ground. But, when he saw the dailies with the other actors being airborne, he went up and shook the whole time.
@VF1Skullangel
@VF1Skullangel 2 жыл бұрын
I loved Blue Thunder growing up, Air wolf I feel takes place in the Power Rangers universe because its waaay too unrealistic. You'll probably hate my fan made movie with the Vic Viper vs Air wolf dog fight. I also got a Top Gun vs Firefox.
@scottrubin4478
@scottrubin4478 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts on the anime Yukikaze, all about pilots and aircraft. Yes, there are some silly scenes (like a plane flying backwards), but it also uses a lot of jargon and expects the audience to know or do their own research.
@Armoure10
@Armoure10 2 жыл бұрын
Best fighter anime ever, besides Macross Plus of course ❤
@Winter413
@Winter413 2 жыл бұрын
Or ‘Skycrawlers’!
@manuelcjr52
@manuelcjr52 Жыл бұрын
​@@Winter413based
@JcXtreme72
@JcXtreme72 2 жыл бұрын
I got so excited when I saw this in my feed. One of my favorite series on one of my favorite channels covering one of my favorite movies from my childhood
@EvilTheOne
@EvilTheOne 7 ай бұрын
Another note, at the time of the movie and until recent days, March AFB never had F-16s based there. The Guard unit had fighters, although they were still F-4 Phantoms. Dean Paul Martin, actor Dean Martin's son, passed away in a F-4 when he tragically crashed in the San Bernardino mountains in 1987. And agreed, as I worked on fighters for a bunch of my career, the ejection seat in the F-16 had a center ejection pull on the MK-18 seat; the side pull in the movie is more like the F-15's ACES II ejection seat.
@mbr5742
@mbr5742 4 ай бұрын
So they could have made the movie even better? With Rhinos over LA? After all - everything is better wit Rhinos...
@PaulMcElligott
@PaulMcElligott 2 жыл бұрын
The only redeeming feature of _Airwolf_ was the theme music. Fight me. Okay, I actually enjoyed the show for the characters, but the helicopter demanded far too much suspension of disbelief, and its capabilities seemed to change weekly based on plot convenience.
@kenseagle4169
@kenseagle4169 2 жыл бұрын
Check out a movie called “Deadly Encounter”. Full of some of the best helicopter stunt flying ever. BTW. The huges 500c is the hero!
@TarmacBlast
@TarmacBlast 2 жыл бұрын
1982 Movie with great helicopter stunts!
@kenseagle4169
@kenseagle4169 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, the helicopter flying in Deadly Encounter is amazing! Some of the best ever!! Rumor has it they had to film in Mexico because the FAA said…. NO WAY! Lol Watch the movie and you’ll see why.
@vfa1222
@vfa1222 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, having almost as much fun viewing the old LA skyline from the 80s vs today's while hearing your commentary on the movie.
@tasercs
@tasercs Жыл бұрын
As the JetRanger plummets towards the construction site hut, its altimeter show decent through 2000 ft....??? Jim Gavin is my hero. His name is at the end of nearly every great action film from the 80s that needed a pilot. He lived in the 'pre health and safety' era and must have had so much fun. Often acted as a pilot too which must have made it a lot easier for continuity. This film was very underrated at the time I think. RIP Jim Gavin & Warren Oates
@tomrodgers6629
@tomrodgers6629 2 жыл бұрын
One more thing. The SWAT guys do know he is in a armored helicopter right. Lol
@CWLemoine
@CWLemoine 2 жыл бұрын
I find that part to be realistic. SWAT guys would shoot just to get to shoot. 😂
@PolarizedMechs
@PolarizedMechs 2 жыл бұрын
@@CWLemoine "Hey, guys. Here's some M60s. The helicopter is armored, but just maybe you'll hit something unarmored." "Oh, hell yes."
@dvergar1
@dvergar1 2 жыл бұрын
"He's definitely not doing 600 knots at 150 feet." Or, well, at any altitude. Also, what sort of warhead did that AIM-9 have? Or were they storing thousands of gallons of fuel inside the bar-b-q shop? And final gripe - in the helo dogfight, when he loses visual, why didn't he just look for him from above the buildings?
@gadelavega
@gadelavega 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same about the Sidewinders
@PolarizedMechs
@PolarizedMechs 2 жыл бұрын
When I saw that with my dad in the theater, I remember him laughing about the sheer destruction caused by one Sidewinder. He said "They aren't firing Phoenixes!"
@c1ph3rpunk
@c1ph3rpunk 2 жыл бұрын
BBQ, lol, so you think. Early meth lab.
@falken_gt4
@falken_gt4 2 жыл бұрын
In the first scene the F16s look like they have AIM-9P versions but when he fires the left wing sidewinder it looks like it is an AIM-9L
@KevinWilliams-od9in
@KevinWilliams-od9in 2 жыл бұрын
Blue Thunder premiered on May 13th 1983. Airwolf premiered on January 22nd 1984. So maybe the reason why Airwolf was so much better than Blue Thunder was the creators of Airwolf saw the amount of interior & exterior flaws Blue Thunder had. So probably from that alone, gave the creators of Airwolf the opportunity to make a better & more advanced helicopter.
@jameslyddall
@jameslyddall 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed blue thunder love the music of it and the style
@ronelitzur856
@ronelitzur856 2 жыл бұрын
blue thunder was meant to look practical not elegant as air-wolf was. also it was meant to look manacing. btw- jafo is shorthand for just another f#@&ing observer. the movie was innovative in it's time and was quite popular. the closest in appearance to it is the apache ah64.
@chrisreddick36
@chrisreddick36 2 жыл бұрын
It’s amazing how the pilots really flew the aircraft and not cg must appreciate the skill and balls to do that lol. Can’t imagine doing that in these days.
@r0b891
@r0b891 Жыл бұрын
One of the best movies out there: If you're walkin' on eggs, don't hop!
@DonWan47
@DonWan47 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Good to see you enjoying a movie especially the flying scenes.
@WhereNerdyisCool
@WhereNerdyisCool 2 жыл бұрын
I'll take Blue Thunder over your "imaginary bottom slung Mavericks and fast only because they sped the film" Airwolf anyday 😀
@JohnnyC01
@JohnnyC01 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say Blue Thunder is an ugly helictoper. I loved the looks of it. But Airwolf is just Airwolf, the coolest thing ever made for television. I think they made a Blue Thunder TV show after this movie but it flopped. Roy Scheider was an awesome actor, miss him. And details are very good, great work from the team. And I think it's possible to hit an F-16 with canons like this. I mean there are stationary AA guns and they worked pretty good when we look at Vietnam so why not hitting one with an helicopter. And talking about Vietnam: what about the movie "Flight of the Intruder" next?
@PolarizedMechs
@PolarizedMechs 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's more of a question of range. The F-16 looked to be well over a mile away, so the M61 on Blue Thunder wouldn't be able to hit at that range.
@JohnnyC01
@JohnnyC01 2 жыл бұрын
@@PolarizedMechsRange is a question there, I agree. We don't really know the range.
@drl1046
@drl1046 2 жыл бұрын
Great commentary. I loved Blue Thunder both the movie and the series as a kid, and also Airwolf. Your recent MRM on Airwolf got me watching the Airwolf series on Peacock starting right from the beginning - it’s so good. And there’s a lot of web content on it - even an interview with one of the guys who owned the helos and did a lot of the flying. So true about the 500s always being the bad guys (except for TC in Magnum PI). Thanks for alerting to Folds of Honor. I linked to donate automatically with eBay sales - great charity.
@pittsguy7
@pittsguy7 2 жыл бұрын
Great review. I worked for the Army's Aviation Command in the late 80's and through most of the 90's. When I started, I learned that the we didn't have "whisper mode", so no Forest Lawn for you....Although, the NOTAR and some of the SF helicopters could sneak up on you; I had a NOTAR sneak up on me when I was sitting on the steps of MDHC in Mesa while watching the CAF B-17 doing touch & go's at Falcon Field. The Apache had an impressive targeting package, but only had the single barrel 30mm "Chain Gun." I personally liked Blue Thunder a little better than Airwolf, but both fueled my love of helicopters. Probably my favorite scene was the "raining chickens" scene. My favorite movie quote is when the bad guy is saying Murphy checks his sanity with a wristwatch, and Warren Oates says, "What do you check yours with, a dipstick?"
@asquare9316
@asquare9316 2 жыл бұрын
This was a ridiculous movie especially when compared to the Airwolf series of documentaries.
@barryrodgers3039
@barryrodgers3039 2 жыл бұрын
Best comment. LOL.
@zohrab22
@zohrab22 2 жыл бұрын
Finally! Was waiting for a year or two for this!
@jackhammer_au9961
@jackhammer_au9961 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loves this movie when I was a kid. Watched it so many times. Would have to agree to disagree on the sexiness of the BlueThunder chopper Mover. I think because of its Tank-like appearance it looks way more menacing than Airwolf. Love your channel!
@AIRWOLFMovie
@AIRWOLFMovie 2 жыл бұрын
Airwolf was always intended as a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.
@andrewtaylor940
@andrewtaylor940 Жыл бұрын
I wish Moover had seen this one back in the day. Because some context helps. "Basically an Apache". Well yeah. But in 1983 the only people who knew what an Apache looked like read Aviation and Space Technology News Leakly. The Apache didn't enter service until 1986. It was just approved for production in '83. So this movie was actually the publics first exposure to ideas that we would later become so familiar with from the Apache. That heads up display, gun aiming helmet for example. In '83 that was still "future tech" as far as everyone knew. The whole backstory of the worry about Terrorists ahead of the LA Olympics was a thing. Munich was still fresh in everybody's minds. And yeah actually Airwolf did rush to market to capitalize on the huge reaction to this movie. They actually made a Blue Thunder TV show as well. But Airwolf beat it to air and was better. The Blue Thunder show was just a cop show. It lasted half a season.
@texasstuff1281
@texasstuff1281 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Love Blue Thunder. Thanks for reviewing it. I was 22 and a rookie cop when it came out. We started calling our ride-a-longs JAFO, until some brass saw the movie too. Lol
@JohnMooseMartelly
@JohnMooseMartelly 9 ай бұрын
I love silent mode. And I love Warren Oates line " I had twenty years in this outfit, when your idea of a good time was sittin' in front of the TV tube, watchin' Bugs Bunny and gnawing on your Fudgsicle!." I actually use that with my help.
@andyferno9274
@andyferno9274 5 ай бұрын
The Gazelle is no ugly helicopter.. true it’s no 222 but it’s beautiful in its own 🚁
@TheKenPrescott
@TheKenPrescott 4 ай бұрын
The stick on the F-16 is from an OV-1 Mohawk. It was leftover from the Battlestar Galactica series, where it was used as the control stick for the Viper. So, yes, an artifact from the OG BSG Viper was used to simulate a control stick of a plane that was nicknamed the Viper because of BSG. The circle is complete.
@lynnecheermom
@lynnecheermom 2 жыл бұрын
'83 a good year :) Good movie for it's time.
@ghimmy47
@ghimmy47 2 жыл бұрын
Fav lines: Malcolm McDowell "Do you know he checks his sanity with a stopwatch?" Warren Oates: "What do you use, a dipstick?" JAFO = Just another frackin observer. Loved that movie at the time. Good mix of action, humor and the first time I heard of Horatius at the bridge.
@emmanuelgoldstein1918
@emmanuelgoldstein1918 2 жыл бұрын
"Damn it, Cookie!!"
@sparrowlt
@sparrowlt 2 жыл бұрын
yeah the Ayatollah joke was taken by Roy Scheider straight from the stunt pilots that flew the thing.. as a side note they had an incident where during a flight with only Scheider, the pilot and a camera man haging from the side the camera guy harness began to undo so the pilot told Roy to take controls momentarily while he grabed the camera guy and pulled him back ... They had given Roy some basic flight advises and he could manage to just keep the bird straight for some seconds
@raylehtinen6245
@raylehtinen6245 Жыл бұрын
BLUE THUNDER was also a short lived ABC-TV series in 1984 but lost the "TV Ratings Dogfight" to AIRWOLF. James Farentino played BT's new pilot and a pre SNL Dana Carvey was his Observer. Football Legends Dick Butkus and Bubba Smith rounded out the Blue Thunder Unit. BLUE THUNDER was a great strait-up 1980s action series!
@Ranger32b
@Ranger32b 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mover! One of my favorite movies and soundtracks also. Most people shrug off the movie, but you have to admit it does have some awesome flight scenes. I saw it in the theater back in 1983 and yes, those F-16 scenes were bad even back then - too bad they didn't have the budget for the real thing. I wish someone would re-edit those scenes with real F-16s and cockpit shots - shouldn't be tough to do. Some real 20mm cannon sound would be nice also. Even though I have seen it multiple times, I never noticed the speed/altitude display reversed ( a bad error ) so kudos to you for pointing that out. The scene when Blue Thunder blocks out the sun is the best - esp. on a big screen. Some quick notes from documentaries I have seen; Malcolm McDowell HATED flying and was often airsick during the production, but he stuck with it. Warren Oates did great work as the 'Astro Divison' Capt. - it was his last film as he died shortly after it was finished - the film is dedicated to him during the end credits. As for the insult that is the TV show I won't even go there - a disgrace to the movie. Being a helo pilot, I am glad you gave it a good review overall - it isn't perfect but they sure tried.
@zohrab22
@zohrab22 2 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how well this movie has aged. Yes, there are a few elements in the plot that don't make a lot of sense - Murphy's selection as test pilot, MacDowell's character etc. etc. - but the acting is on-point and the film is chock full of scenes that are just unforgettable and probably now un-filmable (the yoga scene; Braddock chewing out Murphy and Lymangood; Blue Thunder arriving out of the sun; the eavesdropping at the Federal Building; Murphy stealing Blue Thunder; the chase sequence through the Aqueducts; Kate vs. the cop vs. Blue Thunder; the MacDowell vs. Murphy urban dogfight; and the final scene).
@DavidB7474
@DavidB7474 2 жыл бұрын
As a USMC 6114 basic helicopter mechanic from 92-1997 in Hueys and Cobras, helicopters just rock!!
@ZenZaBill
@ZenZaBill 2 жыл бұрын
07:56 RUH ROH. Somebody forgot the safety wire on the castle nut. "Inconceivable!"
@CWLemoine
@CWLemoine 2 жыл бұрын
The British bad guy sabotaged it.
@treadstone1138
@treadstone1138 2 жыл бұрын
Malcolm Mcdowell is TERRIFIED of flying yet they got him up in the chopper. In the scenes where he looks nervous and on edge in the helicopters its because he was. He HATES flying. LOL. Props to him for getting up there tho.
@janvesely6353
@janvesely6353 2 жыл бұрын
It is so many years ago and the first and possibly only scene I immediately remember is when they notice the helicopter hovering silently right in front of the window.
@Reticuli
@Reticuli 2 жыл бұрын
I love so much about this movie... the camera angles, the editing, the writing, the acting, the music... love love love it. Chile rellenos and margaritas for everybody!
@quacksackerthegreatstarfir6996
@quacksackerthegreatstarfir6996 22 күн бұрын
I was surprised BT didn't have chaff to help fend off missiles.
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