The things that let you know Steve is a proper wheelsmith is he doesn't do fake laughter at every opportunity and also goes quiet at moments where serious concentration is required, owing to being on the ragged edge of the car's performance. So refreshing to watch. More of the same please
@TheCarFan_SA3 жыл бұрын
I Agree
@liuuuuu13 жыл бұрын
fake laughter part is a true story
@sugarsaint3 жыл бұрын
Well put
@gottliebdee2633 жыл бұрын
Soper has been around for a little while and has earned his stripes.I'd put, (the old), Chris Harris up there with him. Todays motoring shows have focused more on the money than ever before. My theory is that the cash and exposure brought in by the recent/current generation of 'casual enthusiasts' outweighs that brought in by the purists.
@sugarsaint3 жыл бұрын
@@gottliebdee263 Chris Harris is a GRASS
@jochemdekker73 жыл бұрын
Type R for sure, the best car.
@BLACKRAINW112 жыл бұрын
Hahahahahaha no
@holly23tm2 жыл бұрын
@@BLACKRAINW11 poor id
@random_person23315 күн бұрын
Of course, Japanese cars will always prevail, as German cars belong in a scrapyard. Additionally, Toyota and Honda produce the most reliable and fuel-efficient engines of all time-even a hybrid cannot surpass the Honda Civic.
@infidel900rr3 жыл бұрын
A like for Steve. He's one of the greats!
@seekthetruths223 жыл бұрын
I can simply connect with Steve's reviews better than anybody else's. He's THE automotive authority in my book.
@sanchilloz3 жыл бұрын
True
@KOL6303 жыл бұрын
Yes me too it’s the best. Henry Catchpole is also great too.
@Omniback203 жыл бұрын
This basically shows how impressive the civic is.
@alexk34692 жыл бұрын
Shows how useless it is against four wheel drive and rear wheel
@64mikecowart2 жыл бұрын
Those civics are crazy impressive at the track but I still rather have the confidence of awd especially with torque vectoring
@christmasisawesome93482 жыл бұрын
10years later. I bet the civic has the best depreciation than the rest.
@upbeatmantis862 жыл бұрын
Many haters here 🤭👻
@zeincexxx12852 жыл бұрын
@@alexk3469 lost
@SM-10103 жыл бұрын
I don’t think these are the competitors to the m3
@thetechnobasefan11613 жыл бұрын
That is kind of the point of this video. Did you even watch ?
@ndrio3 жыл бұрын
Who said they are
@roadhouseguy3 жыл бұрын
I wasn’t so sure about this video in the first act, but it really came together at the end. Top marks. Worthy conclusion.
@ALMX5DP3 жыл бұрын
I’m impressed by the Civic given its price compared to these other two Germans. Combine that with a manual and I’d be happy to be handed the keys on any given road or day.
@derbigpr5003 жыл бұрын
What do you mean "given it's price" , it's the worst value for money here compared to the quality you get.
@ALMX5DP3 жыл бұрын
@@derbigpr500 I mean it’s £20k less than the A45 and less than half the price of the M3, while being relatively close in performance and having the additional fun factor of a manual transmission. If you think some fit and finish plus a 0.5-1.5 second advantage is worth £20-50k we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
@D3JXY3 жыл бұрын
The FK8 is manual only?
@YusufGinnah3 жыл бұрын
@@D3JXY Yes, 6 speeder only. 👍🏼
@D3JXY3 жыл бұрын
@@YusufGinnah I was responding to Alan as he seemingly didn't know that and was questioning the car. I know its manual 😊
@res0zsfa3 жыл бұрын
Give it 15 years and the type r will have kept its value than the others
@christmasisawesome93482 жыл бұрын
Type R has its heritage. It will last until Honda wants to f*** it up.
@cawashka3 жыл бұрын
The new M3 is absolutely brutal, inside and out! Love it!
@nasirshal76333 жыл бұрын
Me too
@donzmeuheu61533 жыл бұрын
Yes...me too
@random_person23315 күн бұрын
I suppose you enjoy spending a premium on a car that frequently breaks down. Well, enjoy.
@KokayMate3 жыл бұрын
The Civic is One fine machine. Given the much less bhp and fwd shows that the chassis is a absolute masterpiece. A clear winner for me regarding price, performance, usability and reliability.
@kristians27043 жыл бұрын
the cheaper car will always be better value but that doesn't mean that the others aren't worth it
@Sfisoul3 жыл бұрын
The lack of absolute bhp is part and parcel of it's masterpiece chassis. It probably wouldn't go that much faster with more horsepower
@KokayMate3 жыл бұрын
@@Sfisoul right, the fwd cant realy handle more power (on small Tracks/Traffic) but it doesnt realy need to either. The japanese are just clever and the Honda is just impressive on its own being able to race and perform against two completly different systems, powers and pricetags that would seem to give ALOT of advantage. But in the end it doesnt, shows the true work that whent in the Honda.
@fabiobermudezpippo95833 жыл бұрын
That is totally relative. If you also care about how a car looks, the Civic is incredible ugly. Therefore if you ask me, it is too expensive for sure.
@KokayMate3 жыл бұрын
I was not arguing on design and on who spends their money on what and how mutch. That is optional. But sure, if it makes you happy above all things in life spending 35k euro + for looks its your choice.
@rumayar53 жыл бұрын
Not really a lot of cross-shopping with these three. Still fun to watch.
@TeacherToolkitDemo3 жыл бұрын
Thats not the point is it.
@rp12683 жыл бұрын
The good news is the Honda or merc won’t have to see that front end in the rear view mirror!
@highlander8343 жыл бұрын
Looked like Steve was having the most fun in the Type R
@intelligentcarreviews85923 жыл бұрын
Slow car fast is the best fun!!!
@highlander8343 жыл бұрын
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 Suppose it depends what "slow" car it is as I doubt very much an Austin Allegro to the max would put much of a smile on your face : )
@intelligentcarreviews85923 жыл бұрын
@@highlander834 true words
@almac92033 жыл бұрын
@@highlander834 beats walking.
@Murphy2520003 жыл бұрын
@@intelligentcarreviews8592 slow car, ffs everyone a millionaire these days
@bobbyg59043 жыл бұрын
This video makes me want the Type R even more....
@TheDalitis83 жыл бұрын
All 3 cars are seriously impressive to be honest. But for me, the humble Civic is the best. It's way more affordable and almost surely way, way more reliable and cheaper to maintain. And most importantly, it's a manual!
@oshogweikekhai54993 жыл бұрын
Impressive, the m3 keeps shaming critics with its performance!
@dlevi673 жыл бұрын
Just like Barbra Streisand and Céline Dion.
@kilibobo19783 жыл бұрын
Imagine honda next type r 400hp dualclutch awd:Superb!!!
@nikolal.45023 жыл бұрын
This shouldn't ever happen...
@gobjectz52253 жыл бұрын
You have to remember that they are bringing a xdrive out later this year!
@robinmarples51983 жыл бұрын
Yep and it will be just near 1.900 kg
@shavin78303 жыл бұрын
@@robinmarples5198 1715kg, where u getting those infos? braindead
@shavin78303 жыл бұрын
@Karol Szymon Wiśniewski i dont think 2.9, i think more like 3.2, the M5c can do 0-60 in 2.90s
@acewingdabson31393 жыл бұрын
@Karol Szymon Wiśniewski ///M all the way. Lovely car, Lovely design, amazing speed.
@gw76243 жыл бұрын
@Karol Szymon Wiśniewski Quarter mile times are not what M cars are about at all.
@Funorigamikid3 жыл бұрын
Some were asking about other car's laptimes by Steve for different cars. M3 43.9s A45 44.9s Civic Type R 47.1s (against the Yaris), 45.6s (this video) Alfa 44.4s M5 45.7s RS6 46s GTI 48.8s GR Yaris 47.9s Cayman GTS 45.9s Alpine A 110s 47.4s
@RCFunTime3 жыл бұрын
Bmw once again nailed it with new gen m3! The ultimate out the box machine always at the top of the game.
@roadreg18203 жыл бұрын
Faster than a Cayman GTS? Wow. M is the fastest letter in the alphabet 😂
@calum24033 жыл бұрын
BMW have properly nailed it
@richiebtime4893 жыл бұрын
The type r is faster than an RS6!? Wow....
@calum24033 жыл бұрын
@@richiebtime489 the RS6 and M5 were in the wet though
@Zerofightervi3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see Steve back behind the wheel again, also significantly lighter himself too.
@mbizozo62713 жыл бұрын
Man that BMW is quick.
@random_person23315 күн бұрын
Yes, it certainly is quick-at breaking down every day, isn't it?
@crocoman7763 жыл бұрын
I think what this shows you is just how finally balanced a lot of these new hot hatches are. The I30N, Megane RS and Type R to name a few. And that’s before you go and start modifying them for some extra fun! It’s not a bad time to be a car enthusiast, that’s for sure.
@angelicavasquez33003 жыл бұрын
Good video!! but..how is comparing a 40k vehicle to a 70k vehicle fair? I mean i love the video, but i sure hope 30k difference would get you better performance! I think the fact that we are comparing the type r to a vehicle totally out of its league (in price) just shows how much of a great car for the price the Type R is.
@goshhT3 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison, certainly shows the immense capabilities of all of the cars. Would be interested to see how the FK8 Limited Edition compares to the A45s and the new Golf R.
@verzekeringsadviseur3 жыл бұрын
Ik think no one does talking and driving fast as good as Sutcliff.
@scott1brayden23 жыл бұрын
Love to see you put the m3 back around the track when its properly dry, they're all epic cars
@veronicianyveronica52903 жыл бұрын
The New Great M3 competition!
@xFlared2 жыл бұрын
Costs less than half of an M3, has a manual, cheap to maintain, and has bullet proof reliability. Type R all the way.
@MercSLRFan3 жыл бұрын
Except that I would take it on! You need bigger balls to drive that M3 to the limit than in a hot hatch and your average Johnny Liftoff won’t know where the hot hatch had gone through the twisties.
@bobbyg59043 жыл бұрын
Yep, it boils down to what's more use-able, and more fun. Hello civic
@richardhifi3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Better to watch than the endless drag race format videos that people seem to knock out.
@dlevi673 жыл бұрын
Drag races are much cheaper to run (and film) and require far less skill...
@alanderson97113 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great laps, Steve...Well done and I’m now more appreciative of our M-1
@Z-u-m-a3 жыл бұрын
Moral victory to the Civic.
@peterhammer69153 жыл бұрын
losing 2 seconds on a short circuit like this is like comparing worlds best woman sprinter to Usain Bolt
@eliotsalandybrown3 жыл бұрын
Steve your enthusiasm, clarity of communication, experience and driving skills make your videos such a pleasure to watch, thank you auto express!
@marksmith71913 жыл бұрын
An extra 30k for a second. Great German engineering but not buying from the eu. Would go for the Honda 👍
@dlevi673 жыл бұрын
@@ronaldov09 The AMG was on PS4S, as was the M3. The Civic was on Conti C5S. (tyre specs on screen between 0:13 and 0:43). Hate these comments where people cannot be bothered to watch the video first.
@ronaldov093 жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67 Sorry my mistake. I did watch the video but thought the Merc was on the Contis
@nikolal.45023 жыл бұрын
That is irrelevant. First, you are not paying for a laptime. Second, this is a very short track and it cannot use it's extra power. On other tracks the difference will be more. BMW said it is faster than the M4 GTS on the nurburgring.
@adamchase15173 жыл бұрын
Would have been nice to see M3 vs C63 vs RS4
@davidfairbairn83 жыл бұрын
I’d still take the type R
@berlinmae073 жыл бұрын
TYPE R IS AWESOME. with a 2.0 engine size its not that behind from these 2 german cars. Imagine if Honda put their 3.0 engine in the Type R lol.. it'll be definitely the winner. Type R is more impressive to me.
@Mo0shii3 жыл бұрын
always have been more impressive around a track imo
@dlevi673 жыл бұрын
The Merc has the same capacity engine. And I suspect if they fitted a larger engine in the Civic they'd destroy its balance (and would need to go AWD, which would increase the weight even further). I think it's fine as it is...
@berlinmae073 жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67 im just saying...actually if Honda fitted their type r with that same engine on the coming Acura Type S 3.0 which almosy weigh 4k pounds and still fast and strong. That can fit in the type r, they just have to make some adjustments on the body or maybe none at all. Honda engineers always come up with almost impossible things all the time. My point is if Honda really would want to destroy their competitions they could...but they care about affordability so thats what they do.
@dlevi673 жыл бұрын
@@berlinmae07 Maybe. Or maybe it's nothing to do with affordability and everything to do with balance and driving fun.
@berlinmae073 жыл бұрын
@@dlevi67 They always do to have achieve that. Ive owned nothing but Acura and Honda soI know ... oh, except 1 Mitsubishi 15' Evo X FE coz i just had to lol 😅 . I love the AWD SAWC on that thing.
@ilemg823 жыл бұрын
I love Steve Sutcliffe he’s excellent at reviewing cars. Didn’t see him for a while and in the few vids he did he didn’t seem well. Glad to see him back to his old self and great videos.
@JDDetailing3 жыл бұрын
Interesting comparison thanks guys.
@LemuelTaylor3 жыл бұрын
Sutcliffe in 3 of my favorite cars? YES PLEASE!
@olinblackwell52113 жыл бұрын
When the best looking car in a comparison is an A Class, you know there’s something seriously wrong with today’s designers
@peterhammer69153 жыл бұрын
seeing the M3 in person it looks way better than they AMG, not even comparable.
@fskof3 жыл бұрын
@Peter Hammer. I disagree. The new M3 is over styled with shapes just for the sake of having shapes. Look at the hood and by the tailpipes. Over styled begins to look like a clowns car.
@peterhammer69153 жыл бұрын
@@fskof so have you seen it live?
@fskof3 жыл бұрын
@@peterhammer6915 Yes and driven one
@olinblackwell52113 жыл бұрын
@@fskof 100% agree with you. M3 is a confused mess of features trying to outshout each other for attention. And M4 is worse!
@dtprodrive3 жыл бұрын
I’d like to see the new golf r vs the a45s around this track
@hondacar3 жыл бұрын
I doubt that the new Golf R could even beat the CTR.
@CIASPY3 жыл бұрын
No one care golf r anyway they are just another version of mini cooper.
@BaruKz3 жыл бұрын
If the comparison is already good, Steve just elevates even further making you thing about the real potential on The New M3 competition, because those two are the best in their class. That's pretty astonishing for a car with that kerb weight, the electronics do magic things in nowadays.
@glnknl22323 жыл бұрын
Love these comparisons. Thanks Steve!
@Scala5983 жыл бұрын
More comparisons like this please. This was excellent 👍🏻
@waynemangan99253 жыл бұрын
As much as I dont want to, I still love the Angry chipmunk face M3. I'm a sucker for a sexy looking saloon, and it's cracking driving dynamics.
@plakic3 жыл бұрын
I like the new look.
@geoffk7773 жыл бұрын
@@plakic You two guys probably think that the E60 M5 was good-looking too. Clowns like you are the reason that BMW hasn't made a handsome car for 20 years.
@timwingate73813 жыл бұрын
Could you do M3 v M2 comp please?
@robinmarples51983 жыл бұрын
The m2 will come next year
@4gosselin3 жыл бұрын
Unique comparison Steve. Great Job!
@jo05dk3 жыл бұрын
What i take from this video is, that i now have a reason to like that the new M3 excists. Parked besides the new M3, the Civic Type R doesn't look quite as ugly. It's not much, but it's something.
@Fe4rN4ught3 жыл бұрын
Show the M3 ZF auto's downshifts, need to see how crisp they are.
@cawashka3 жыл бұрын
not as crisp as the dct’s but still quite fast
@bossadave3 жыл бұрын
Would like to see it again with Civic running Michelin rubber. I suspect it could be a photo finish.
@larryhoudini33313 жыл бұрын
The M3 would have done even better, if the track had been as dry as it was for the two others.
@334trax23 жыл бұрын
Challenge accepted. Seriously that looks fun.
@hemanR-one3 жыл бұрын
Good to see you Steve. Its been a while.
@bcraftin78463 жыл бұрын
Great video as always STEVE and you are looking a lot younger these days keep up the good work
@marcoantoniotamayoarribasp4034 Жыл бұрын
Now let's try the TYPE R LIMITED
@ramiromaney34993 жыл бұрын
What criteria was used when deciding which vehicles will be selected?...personally i think the M3 is not in the same "segment" as the other 2 cars...as someone else mentioned I think an RS4 and c63 would be a better comparison
@richiebtime4893 жыл бұрын
You are of course correct. However, the premise was, for the same money as 2 of the quickest hatches, does the BMW justify its whopping price tag?
@ramiromaney34993 жыл бұрын
I see...well for fun sake then, the hot hatches have really great performance outputs overall cause they literally seconds off the mark of the m3
@richiebtime4893 жыл бұрын
@@ramiromaney3499 Yes exactly. The M3 (as shown) is just as much a status symbol as a performance car, in my opinion. Especially here in the UK.
@ajunta22703 жыл бұрын
Great to see these track reviews, especially considering the horrible lockdown measures. I just wish you would mention what tires each car came equipped with, it can make a huge difference as you well know. PS: I love, love the Civic. Wish it were rear driven but still love it.
@dlevi673 жыл бұрын
Maybe watch the video? Tyres used are on screen between 0:13 and 0:31 (A45S and Civic) and 0:33 and 0:43 (M3)
@ChimaChindaDev3 жыл бұрын
The M3 has a face only a mother would love.
@3dScience83 жыл бұрын
New M3 is very fast and on top of that, you can have as much grille as you want and then ... even more
@piotr29513 жыл бұрын
All those rapid camera switches reminds me of movies made with shaky cam. It would be much better if you guys just stick to the front view.
@superthierry12 жыл бұрын
Civic Type R Manual gear shift... 😎 Not many of them left..
@Scorpion-bi9or3 жыл бұрын
So each Second you want to gain would cost 20.000? Nah I'd stick with the Type R...
@alexk34692 жыл бұрын
A 330i is cheaper than any type r and is rear wheel drive and is faster you don’t even need a m3
@MrJuggernautishere3 жыл бұрын
This guy is more of a racer whose other job is as a getaway driver...Love Steve Sutcliffe's content
@rawahy7773 жыл бұрын
Good one, loved it.
@ENGBriseB Жыл бұрын
The Honda Civic Type R GT has an excellent chassis and a great engine. And good one's in a few years will go up in value.
@ts60703 жыл бұрын
First love both but the Civic is better value..
@imtheonehero93053 жыл бұрын
So bang for your buck would be the type r. It's honestly not that slow even tho it has way less hp and is fwd. Not surprised at the outcome at all.
@bobbyg59043 жыл бұрын
You were right about the horsepower deficit, but it's more the manual box than the FWD that also slows things up
@alexk34692 жыл бұрын
A 340i is cheaper than any type r and is rear wheel drive and is better than any fwd car
@steviegee84132 жыл бұрын
It's a shame BMW went backwards with weight. The F30 3 series, they aimed for 1500kg, and pretty much hit it depending on the engine and spec. Now we're up at 1800kg!! Damn! I don't think the old V8 M3 was that heavy except in convertible form.
@henzo70873 жыл бұрын
BMW TOP AUTO !
@AlexA-ts8sq3 жыл бұрын
New M3, really great M/// car!
@fskof3 жыл бұрын
@Alex A New M3 is a great M340... Not a M car
@Areku063 жыл бұрын
Hmm I think xdrive may be even faster
@danevo103 жыл бұрын
Interested to see what the new Renault Megane RS Trophy-R can do on your test track?
@tanner1ie3 жыл бұрын
M2 vs M3 vs M4 please! 😃
@Trak6623 жыл бұрын
Greetings success brother 💯💥👽🇲🇽
@jycutube3 жыл бұрын
I mean, what kinda tires do you have on that Type R? Would like to see what a Limited Edition FK8 on CUP 2 tires would’ve done 😉
@dlevi673 жыл бұрын
It's on screen between 0:13 and 0:31
@jasminemyfirst3 жыл бұрын
Let me guess the civic is the fast car between the three
@mattjonesgt35383 жыл бұрын
M3 vs GT4 please Steve and Autocar!
@santana95373 жыл бұрын
M3 for me all day long. In person the grille actually looks really attractive. BMW needs to sort out their configurator
@MarphyW3 жыл бұрын
Fanboy has spoken
@aryaahmadi4029 Жыл бұрын
How about quitting whining about hierarchy of the cars in the comments because most of us would be happy to daily drive any of these.
@Jay-zs8fi3 жыл бұрын
Steve is legendary 🙌
@ltwracing3 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between this channel & EVO?
@StringerBellz3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant 👏
@mokay15803 жыл бұрын
Type r is a track weapon and did very well against the more powerful germans. Imagine what it can do with s few mods a tune up. 🔥🔥🔥. Theres a few on youtube 👍
@Jordan-ql8pv3 жыл бұрын
For the money the Civic wins I would say. Steve's smile was telling.
@user-qi8ib3gh5q3 жыл бұрын
Conclusion is "Money talks!".
@KOL6303 жыл бұрын
Dang Steve has been on a race diet too he’s lost a lot of weight! Good video. I wonder how the Megane trophy r would compare against the M3 on this track. Can’t recall if it’s been tested or confirmed if quicker than the type R? 🤔
@amgnaciri59373 жыл бұрын
The A45///AMGs looks so mean , i adore it .
@seanomar35363 жыл бұрын
Should have just thrown in the GR yaris for the fun of it
@nadirrahmouni53333 жыл бұрын
M3 is a beast
@CynicalBastard5113 жыл бұрын
Steve tested a Porsche Cayman GT4 around the same track and guess what? He lapped the Porsche in 43.9 seconds, exactly the same time of the new BMW M3 Competition. That puts in perspective of just how fast the new M3 really is.
@alexkosta25353 жыл бұрын
You should make those comparison on Launching control too !
@king-manu27583 жыл бұрын
For anyone asking what's the point of this, it's right at the end of the video.
@adama85703 жыл бұрын
The final desecration of the BMW grille by the use of a number plate!
@seanmichaelo97773 жыл бұрын
Steve and Tiff Needell for the win
@aircommandslipperz3 жыл бұрын
would really like to see how fast the new golf R will do around this same track
@facebookmarkokena54553 жыл бұрын
BMW G80 ///M3 POWER 6 speed manual My Dream Car
@janrdoh3 жыл бұрын
The Beemer must have been happy to see it had company in the ugly corner.
@alexkosta25353 жыл бұрын
Last time that BMW M3 went to 39.1 and the Alfa Romeo Julia 44.4 , now we see the BMW going to 43.9 , What's the matter about that ?