New BMW M3 v AMG 45 S v Civic Type R v Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio

New BMW M3 v AMG 45 S v Civic Type R v Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio | evo TRACK BATTLES

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3 жыл бұрын

The all-new G80 BMW M3 boasts substantial improvements over its F80 predecessor, but how does it stack up against a trio of performance car heroes? Steve Sutcliffe puts it up against the mighty Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio, Honda's Civic Type R and the Mercedes-AMG A45 S to find out.
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@PeterAlhussein 3 жыл бұрын

The production quality of this video is out of the world, we all know Steve's qualities BUT the guy/team who directed the whole thing, from camera work to editing, color grading, dialogue, etc., deserve as much respect. I am speechless.

@bcmstfilms 3 жыл бұрын

I’m a simple man. I see Steve Sutcliffe in the preview, I click.

@infidel900rr 3 жыл бұрын

Steve is great!!

@victorlussier5477 3 жыл бұрын

Same, i completely ignored the ugly grill and saw steve!!

@iHaveTheDocuments 3 жыл бұрын

Are we allowed to say a word like sutcliffe on KZfaq?

@hadrienlf23 3 жыл бұрын

I am a simple man too. I see Steve, i click next. This wannabe Clarkson style is properly unbearable.

@RobManser77 3 жыл бұрын

@@hadrienlf23 I’m not sure I see any similarities with Clarkson. Clarkson can’t drive, Steve really can drive. Clarkson’s big brash and loud, Steve’s more considered. Where are the similarities?!

@polattanoglu756 3 жыл бұрын

Two things: Seeing Steve Sutcliffe drive the new M3 is utter joy and let's give a big shoutout to the Alfa for being so very close to the new M3 although it came out many years ago. Proper driving by the way. Thank you Steve and team EVO for yet another brilliant content.

@gsgcarreviews 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@moiggc 3 жыл бұрын

For me, the fact that the M3 can beat the Alfa - being almost 200kgs heavier, is noteworthy.

@Jaredscott89 3 жыл бұрын

That isn't a close result though. Its enormous on a track like that.

@moiggc 3 жыл бұрын

@@Jaredscott89 very true. Which makes the M3 achievement all the more spectacular.

@craigbishop90 3 жыл бұрын

@@Jaredscott89 exactly. Half a second on such a short lap is huge.

@VUO4E 3 жыл бұрын

Why did the laps in the german cars look like WRC stages and the Alfa and Honda lap look like "shopping under pressure"? Is it just the editing ?

@gregorythomas4470 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. He certainly didn’t appear to be going all out.

@VUO4E 3 жыл бұрын

@@gregorythomas4470 well, the lobbyists are everywhere i guess ;). At that level of performance, with equal hp, you need more than a bit more torque to compensate nearly 200kg. That's two adult, slightly overweight men in the back seats.

@omarr6021 3 жыл бұрын

the result is already clear to me ,,,j adding Type R to the battle is a recognition of its capability for a fraction of the price

@gw7624 3 жыл бұрын

Not really. You're comparing difference classes of car, not just in terms of performance. The Type-R is more of an M2 competitor, which is definitely the better track car.

@tomtom255 3 жыл бұрын

@@gw7624 That's what he's getting at, the Civic is very fast around a circuit for the money and it's being compared to 80-90k sports sedans. The fact that it's even close is remarkable.

@peterwho9380 3 жыл бұрын

@@gw7624 No matter how you look at this when you're comparing a Type R with a base price of 48K CAD to a 72K M2 and almost matching in track specs the underdog is always going to be the winner! With the M3 being almost twice the price of the Type R and only 1.5 seconds faster that alone tells you how great the little guy as a front wheel drive vehicle!

@gw7624 3 жыл бұрын

@@tomtom255 In terms of purely track performance, you could argue it's good value, but no one buys these cars purely to track them. The BMW can easily beat the Type-R while being far more comfortable and refined - that's the point of a BMW.

@tomtom255 3 жыл бұрын

@@gw7624 I'm not so sure about being more comfortable or refined hahaha, maybe twenty years ago there was an enormous difference between a Civic and a Bmw but not so much anymore, especially the Type-R.

@michaelteret4763 3 жыл бұрын

More Steve, please! I’d have the Alfa any day.

@kagolko 3 жыл бұрын

Do you enjoy your car to be broken every other week??

@flacjacket 3 жыл бұрын

@@kagolko The Giulia isn't any worse than its German rivals for reliability, it had some software gremlins early on but they have pretty much all been resolved by now. Any car in this segment is going to be pricey to maintain, you gotta pay to play.

@kagolko 3 жыл бұрын

@@flacjacket I was not talking about pricey service - I know many people who got Italian car and it was always disaster... Outside of exotics I'd never buy an Italian car - ever... They're all behaving like Fiat.. Even Alfas...

@gt4_driver631 3 жыл бұрын

@@kagolko: what a biased BS. So you never owned the Gulia QV, but you are judging anyway? Performance-wise, the new M3/M4 is a great car, but I ordered the QV. More intense, more emotional, more of heart and soul.

@J0lker 3 жыл бұрын

@@flacjacket Yes it is.

@effa114 3 жыл бұрын

Great to see evo putting in the work on the video side again. You have such talented people in front of and behind the camera. Great to see you making use of it!

@andybils6141 3 жыл бұрын

Belta driving and the editing was perfection, thanks for the brilliant vid 👍🏻

@tepes141 3 жыл бұрын

With the new generation M3/ M4, BMW not only thrashed their traditional rivals, but also closed the gap on Porsche Carrera S! Available with MT, too ✌👏

@alexknightwrc 3 жыл бұрын

This is great. More of this please 😊

@SicSemperBeats 3 жыл бұрын

haha I loved that a45 lap, you really mashed that shit through the corners!

@HEMSJim 3 жыл бұрын

I'm thinking this was a slightly biased review in favor of the M3. Not once did I see the active front spoiler lowered on the Alfa's fast lap which means the lap was driven in Normal mode. In Dynamic and Race mode, the active spoiler lowers at approximately 60 mph, which the car should have easily been going at the entry to the chicane, 2:56, at the end of Hangar Straight. Driving the Alfa in Normal mode would make a significant difference in lap time compared to Race mode. I still enjoyed the review and the M3 is a phenomenal car, even the new front end is growing on me!

@StringerBellz 3 жыл бұрын

Or simply put the M3 is just faster

@HEMSJim 3 жыл бұрын

@@StringerBellz 🤣 ok 👌

@cjramilo 2 жыл бұрын

I saw that too, you can easily see that the entry speed after the straight is slower than all three cars. I too think this review made the Alfa not look as good.

@ambergris5705 2 жыл бұрын

Come on, do you really expect them to be filming the car doing its lap with all those different angles, a car crossing the path of the racer, etc? I would expect that they don't even film the laps, except for the interior shot and bumper POV. This isn't Top Gear, even if the quality is delicious. Cars are also probably left in the comfort setting to get more dramatic images (more roll, squat, etc. to give more sense of speed).

@pplaciii 2 жыл бұрын

This video just proves that the M3 isn't really quicker than the Giulia Q. Not the same tyres. Tyres on the Giulia ridiculously gives no grip in cold weather when the video was recorded. The front splitter doesn't moves under 0 Celsius. What's the point of this video? :D

@cbcsmithers 3 жыл бұрын

Nice work team - this was one of the most intelligently designed track tests. I genuinely learned something!

@greggb681 3 жыл бұрын

Every car you drove during this video are all cars I admire! What an amazing lot of cars you had that day

@AleksandrHalas 3 жыл бұрын

As always mega job all of evo team!!!

@lesleythobeka 3 жыл бұрын

Please could we see the F80 M3cs vs the G80 M3

@kkgg4419 3 жыл бұрын

@@lesleythobeka my m3 cs IS A GUICKER THAN NEW M3 COMPETISION

@lesleythobeka 3 жыл бұрын

@@kkgg4419 would be nice to just watch

@kkgg4419 3 жыл бұрын

@@lesleythobeka on 1/4 mile i Was one car, 100-200 0,8 sec also guicker

@clubdevoiture1618 3 жыл бұрын

Be interesting to see if he got back in the alfa at the end of the day if he'd get any quicker...

@merlin51h84 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I'm a bit surprised. Same power and heavier and yet faster? Try over 2 or 3 Laps and then let's see what happens.

@pride355 3 жыл бұрын

The best Evo video lately. Well done.

@mattjonesgt3538 3 жыл бұрын

Love this, thanks Steve and EVO. I want to see a benchmark real sports car like Cayman GT4 take the fight to the M3 with only 414bhp but low weight and mid engine balance.

@miljanivanko2312 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always

@antburman 3 жыл бұрын

Gripping and fun review both. Really super.

@RC335 3 жыл бұрын

Great video🙌🙌

@manofwar577 3 жыл бұрын

Evo has best reviews, great work everytime!

@luckistryke13 3 жыл бұрын

I love to see all 4 of them with laptime at the Top Gear track

@illspeed831 3 жыл бұрын

Didn’t he do this exact comparison on auto express?

@augustortiz 3 жыл бұрын

Ikr I feel like I have seen this exact video before

@CaptainMir 3 жыл бұрын

Great video 👍

@harpersneil 3 жыл бұрын

Epic driving in the Merc!! None of that gratuitous drifting bollocks - love it!

@pierreandre5678 3 жыл бұрын

I love the new M3!!

@Peanutdenver 3 жыл бұрын

It may be just you and me my friend who feels this way. I received quite a ribbing from my mate to my gf when I sold my F82 M4C and put a deposit down on a G82 M4C. But, I love the new look and can't wait for that delivery date.

@martinallenuk 3 жыл бұрын

At least there's one sale.

@markahomer 3 жыл бұрын

One of the better car journalists. Always worth watch.

@stevenmishos 3 жыл бұрын

Great video... ... curious choice to compare against hot hatches.

@jeebus2121 3 жыл бұрын

1:50 - it's a regular torque-converter automatic; the same transmission (ZF) as in the M3/M4.

@rg6982 3 жыл бұрын

That M3 is beyond crazy!!!!

@zsolti256 3 жыл бұрын

finally a proper comparison!

@DavidRonnemo 3 жыл бұрын

Why do people use Premiere instead of schedule when releasing youtube videos?

@aserta 3 жыл бұрын

They think they're on TV. Old people behave like old people, can't change that.

@TheJkghfg 3 жыл бұрын

To get your attention before it's released, and it has.

@DavidRonnemo 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheJkghfg The point seems to be the live chat function and to push user engagement.

@SeymourCake710 3 жыл бұрын

Great review, very engaging.

@curt2 3 жыл бұрын

Steve ..great video as usual top job 👏 👍 👌

@rifmaffia 3 жыл бұрын

I have to say Sutcliffe is a real good drifting reviewer. Drifting and expressing the ride during this is not easy.. im impressed of his driving skills

@Turbo_S_Em_funf 3 жыл бұрын

Steve likes short shifting when setting lap times

@louis5945 2 жыл бұрын

The reality is Alfa aren’t entirely accurate with their weight figures so the M3 weighs about the same

@Kelveron 3 жыл бұрын

On such a short circuit half a second is a lot!

@JordanPayneLV 3 жыл бұрын

Best review I’ve seen of The m3

@The_Stanman 3 жыл бұрын

Specs on screen mistakenly say Alfa has dual-clutch.

@eSysmanSuperYachts 3 жыл бұрын

Wow you just came back with a great video. But where have you been. You disappeared. You didn’t call, you didn’t write and then you just turn up like it was nothing!

@aaa84gt 3 жыл бұрын

Heey I sub to your channel, didn't know you loved cars as well 😊

@critic3001 3 жыл бұрын

Good review by the geezer with the smoothest voice in motor vehicle journalism.

@UTubeSL 3 жыл бұрын

That is astonishing!!

@GiuseppeMaccarroneONE 3 жыл бұрын

It's lovely to see Steve at EVO, well done guys. You made me dream about sportcars for 15 years

@charlescauchi3507 3 жыл бұрын

Well the BMW is nicely built and a lot more toys to play with, but when it comes to desired driving please aside from the fact that the Bimmer looks cumbersome it is almost ugly with that front grille. The Alfa on the other hand despite its 5 years since debut looks fresh and trounces convincingly the BMW dynamically for its outstanding driving pleasure.

@eyaloram9142 3 жыл бұрын

1 to 1 the exact footage on Auto Express exactly 1 month ago. Old news new news?

@The_Stanman 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly what the hell

@muratk.8296 3 жыл бұрын

Many saying that the M3 power output is actually quite high than stated - a dyno run would have been interesting

@massimolorenzi656 3 жыл бұрын

The new m3 (not the competition) should be 480 hp BUT on dyno results 502 hp

@muratk.8296 3 жыл бұрын

@@massimolorenzi656 Thx. BMW built a proper car in terms of mechanicals, but my money goes to Alfa

@pinacolaaadas 3 жыл бұрын

The competition is estimated around ~540 hp at the crank. BMW definitely understating the power. The tuning potential & forged components of the S58 are what will set it apart from the rest. Since the next C63 is going to be powered by their 4 pot engine, it is no surprise they are attempting to soften the blow of 4 less cylinders with 100+ more hp than it's V8 predecessor.

@steveberridge4648 3 жыл бұрын

Love Steve’s videos - such a talented wheelman. The BMW only 0.02 slower than Sutters time in a V10 Audi R8 plus 😱

@luizov88 3 жыл бұрын

And this is the rwd version. Imagine the incoming variant with mxdrive.

@Ilestun 3 жыл бұрын

@@luizov88 rwd faster on dried tracks.

@Usman-zp6ig Жыл бұрын

@@Ilestun actually he (Sutcliffe) has tested the m3 xdrive and found that its 0.5 sec faster than the rwd version around a track.

@miaudir8 3 жыл бұрын

Would be great to take both the Alfa and M3 to a dyno/rolling road and see the true power they put out. Honestly doubt the M3 has the power it advertises

@alenalavanja6543 3 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%- these new M3 engines are probably closer to 550-600hp mark

@StringerBellz 3 жыл бұрын

BMW always understate their figures for some reason

@Brunoperes_88 3 жыл бұрын

This new M3/M4 generation put 550hp and 700NM of torque at the crank...

@user-du6op6qx5s 2 жыл бұрын

wow, that is some hot hatches. I would love to see a 420 hp civic could do in this track and also what the alfa romeo could do with everything switched off like the bmw.

@rp20832 3 жыл бұрын

Steve's looking lightweight?

@greatcolor 3 жыл бұрын

"Take a closer look at that snout!" 🐭

@rhiannemoll3386 3 жыл бұрын

It's ugly AF.

@thomasferrarojr.9772 3 жыл бұрын

Ugliest grill ever. Ughh.

@BrettL250 3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasferrarojr.9772 highest selling M3 ever.

@richboy900 3 жыл бұрын

You have to have it in dark colours to hide it

@flacjacket 3 жыл бұрын

@@BrettL250 The Chinese market is going to go nuts for these.

@marklivos 3 жыл бұрын

This guy is a proper reviewer & knows his work well

@andrewmooney9966 3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff

@in2minutesorless64 3 жыл бұрын

Love you Steve! You look great. So happy to see you again...

@DougisFresh999 3 жыл бұрын

This was one of the most entertaining videos I have ever watched

@gsgcarreviews 3 жыл бұрын

Seriously!

@SpeedKingZR1 3 жыл бұрын

Should add the CT4 Blackwing to this test when it comes out.

@timjones8837 2 жыл бұрын

Curious to know if all the 'safeties' in the other three than the bmw were also turned off? If not, unfair outcome?

@ilikeheadcrabs 3 жыл бұрын

Its fast, but the £85k+ list price is insane. Used market will be your friend in 6 months, even then i think the Alfa takes my heart. Hell even the A45s is mega. Owned the pre facelift FK2 Civic Type R and it was incredible for the money, bit outclassed by these when it comes to the real world though. Perfect for Sunday B road blasting though.

@ibrarulhaq5348 Жыл бұрын

I believe this is a rwd, what is the time difference on the xdrive m3?

@gollytosky5608 3 жыл бұрын

Why do I feel that he was pushing the M3 so hard to beat the Alfa, he didn't even push the Alfa as half as he did on the M3

@TheDustyaman 3 жыл бұрын

I like the new look for the BMW snouts

@silverbullet1979 3 жыл бұрын

M3 told the Hatchbacks that this is a battle of saloons, not wanna be four doors... 😂😂😂

@chbrules 3 жыл бұрын

I want to see the new base C8 Vette vs this thing.

@Alby911 3 жыл бұрын

Most would already know the answer in terms of track times

@chbrules 3 жыл бұрын

@@Alby911 Which is?

@Alby911 3 жыл бұрын

@@chbrules It's no secret that the Vette is perhaps the best money/performance ratio currently available, and faster than the M3. But these two cars are in no way comparable.

@chbrules 3 жыл бұрын

@@Alby911 They're pretty comparable. The Vette lacks 2 back seats, but the Vette is also known for its spacious cargo holds, not to mention it's a similarly prices sports car. Compare it to the M4 then.

@Alby911 3 жыл бұрын

@@chbrules A saloon and a bona fide sports car is not comparable in any way. The M3 is really just designed for Autobahn cruising to fit your family/friends comfortably, whereas the Vette is a track monster.

@The_Stanman 3 жыл бұрын

Isn't this the same video that was on Auto Express?

@streetcat666 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah mate

@adamfreeman3000 2 жыл бұрын

Alfa’s Pirelli’s will be giving up about half a second to the BMW’s PS4S’s so that’s your difference right there

@hyphed4196 3 жыл бұрын

Considering the BMW is outputting around 50hp more than claimed I say the Alfa did well

@Usman-zp6ig Жыл бұрын

Comon man we're comparing apples to apples here. Unless you stick it on a dyno you can't be sure it's outputting 50bhp extra. You saying it as if it's a matter of fact. Hands down BMW m is far superior motor than alfa. Its been doing it longer and

@morenachoz 3 жыл бұрын

M3 ❤

@seinfeld11123 3 жыл бұрын

those Mercs are pretty fast. I have a CBr 600RR. merc came flying past me we had a bit of fun and it was pretty quick my bike does 10 sec 1/4 mile

@Gautam454 3 жыл бұрын

High 10s with a good rider if you're lucky. 600s don't have the grunt in the top end due to aerodynamic drag and lack of power. I had a 600RR and now a R6

@seinfeld11123 3 жыл бұрын

@@Gautam454 10.52 @ 211.47 km/h (131.40 mph)

@Gautam454 3 жыл бұрын

@@seinfeld11123 Fair enough but how many people are replicating that in the real world? With the DCT AMG the computer does all the work. Just gas and go

@iimiboy 3 жыл бұрын

How much weight have you lost Steve? Keep it up as you look a lot younger now

@kunalmore5212 2 жыл бұрын

This M3 is faster than a GT3 RS of previous gen. on this track

@Usman-zp6ig Жыл бұрын

Unbelievable

@TimChump 3 жыл бұрын

The M3 is like the new gtr 🤔

@WetSpotQ 3 жыл бұрын

Sutters is legendary and fits perfectly with a legendary car

@aftabmohammed1272 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant Driving

@rodrigo6239 3 жыл бұрын

Same video from Auto Express?

@dln.sweeney 3 жыл бұрын

Am I crazy or did I see essentially the same video on the Auto Express channel?

@busisanizzulu9267 3 жыл бұрын

It's a pandemic bro

@MiataND3 3 жыл бұрын

I30N 2021 please!

@ullsp 2 жыл бұрын

Great vid But just imagine if the Civic had the looks of … well any other hot hatch… then the civic would sell faster and better than all the others combined..

@johnnieolivier1010 3 жыл бұрын

The new M3 is a beast, I love that grill

@malteserwfj 3 жыл бұрын

The ultimate driving machine strikes again 🤷🏻‍♂️

@antslim168 3 жыл бұрын

Steve Sutcliffe is a Legend!

@future62 3 жыл бұрын

Someone put M3 badges on an Alpina B5 Biturbo. No not B3, B5

@Plate_Productions 3 жыл бұрын

the weight was not the curb weight. it weighs 1730 kg not 1805. the 1805 is with luggage

@fabiocene 3 жыл бұрын

Was the Alfa driven in Race mode?

@KandiMan 3 жыл бұрын

No, Steve forgot.

@pierrena3420 3 жыл бұрын

Is it me or did it look like the Alfa was not really pushed compared to the M3? Waiting for non-Journo comparison videos on various tracks for this one...

@gregorythomas4470 3 жыл бұрын

He knows which side of his bread is buttered. He’s not going to upset a brand that has as much volume as BMW.

@busisanizzulu9267 3 жыл бұрын

@@gregorythomas4470 lol utter b. S

@gollytosky5608 3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that too immediately

@StringerBellz 3 жыл бұрын

@@gregorythomas4470 dude, the M3 still beat the lap record held by the Alpha previously, so its simply a quicker car. Why the butt hurt. The Alpha is still an incredible car and highly desirable irrespective of this test

@Omega08082 3 жыл бұрын

Optioned out, the M3 is only about $80,000 in the US. That's like 60,000 Pounds.

@Mostlycars888 3 жыл бұрын

Wtf...like dejavu....this was on already a few days ago🤔

@AleisterInWonderland 3 жыл бұрын

Put them all on the same tire and what will the difference be?

@stickvortex 3 жыл бұрын

The car is growing on me, hooooowever... The radar sensors being shoved in the left side of the grille looks absolutely disgusting and sheit. Looks horrendous.

@mass2689 3 жыл бұрын

Would have loved to see the alfa on better tires, the pirellis are garbage and i know from experience

@oaguilera81 3 жыл бұрын

What a car! 😳😳😳

@dxrinc 3 жыл бұрын

They sure did FUCK UP the front end, more weight - no thanks....GUILIA QUADRAFOLIO please!

@BrettL250 3 жыл бұрын

Just wondering how you can explain the sales numbers then? All those people buying the M3 (not the Alfa) are wrong and you are right?

@BrendanEvan 3 жыл бұрын

At least it’s so fast that the odds are best you’d only ever see it from behind

@richardnixon4345 3 жыл бұрын

After the lap, the Alfa needed repairing

@mattipuh 3 жыл бұрын

Put 'em on damp track and add GR Yaris, and what will you get? :D

@and79 3 жыл бұрын

Yaris posting the slowest time.

@seangao6205 3 жыл бұрын

Tire of these cars tested?

@chawenhalo0089 3 жыл бұрын

Big cars on small track = big disadvantage...

@stefanroseEP3 3 жыл бұрын

Seen all of this video already ffs. Pointless recycled content.

@zpe1200 3 жыл бұрын

Hope steve getting paid twice at least haha

@stevebanshee9768 3 жыл бұрын

Sutcliffe is the absolute man..

@lukaszmajewski2757 Жыл бұрын

I think the tyres in this test are making diffrence. Cold and mouisture are enemy for pzero corsa. I think if we put ps4s to Alfa it will have much better lap.