They’re enjoying the sounds of the high revving v8

@@bonqeeqee In the back.

@@bonqeeqee 6 cylinder sounds better

Still the tuned n54 smokes that 4 litre engine.

This video is not about the old m3. Y'all picking on the undersized 8. The F80 M3 and G80, room gets silent lol.

Oh yeah, oil leaks and spinning crank hubs yeah no thanks. B58 all day

@@mikemata623oil leaks are on every bmw😂, those gaskets go no mater what after enough heat cycles

LOL It's trash compared to the S58

@@madrx2 wouldn’t say that… ofc bmw has to put a better engine in their new m cars, but s55 is not far behind the s58

@@EmrecanBicer Unfortunately the crack hubs let them down.

Look up 1000 hp on S58 on youtube. Far more advanced motor

@@fzr1000981 That is correct. But i have the B58 engine. More as 450 PS will damage the engine. Torque max. is 600 Nm. AC Schnitzer, a Tuner working like the "M" producers, gets this power only by Software. It coasts about 4000 Euro.. But In the papers of the car is written, that it is okay. They change about 18 sensors. I never will do a tuning for 200-300 EURO. They only give more power to the turbo and the engine gets a liitle bit more fuel. And the police can see this tuning. I know that the tuner will say, that they can not find it. That is wrong. They can find it also if You have taken it out. I am Diplom- Informatiker. So you are driving a car without an operating license.If You have an accident, the police will ask if You have such a license. If not the car can not be used on a Highway ore in the town. Your driving license is away for about one year. You have to pay everything The damages on other cars. If a person is very hard hurt, You have to pay him every month between 300 or 2000 EURO. The tuner will pay nothing, BMW will pay nothing. My m140i coasted about 60.000 EURO. And if a person can buy it directly i never would build in this 200 EURO Tuning. Four weeks ago i asked my BMW Partner. Yes they build the AC Schnitzer tuning in and they corrected all papers. V- Max is 280 km/h, because i did not want 310 km/h.Highways in Germany are dangerous. If You drive about 200 km/h it can happen, that an old Ford Fiesta changes to Your side. They are not blinking and can probably not see how fast You are driving. And it is funny. If You have build in the ZF-8 gears automatic and are driving about 230 km/h a Porsche Cayman comes. You do not need to go to the right side of the Highway. No,this speed ,230 km/h, is very good. You give full power, the automatic, is going from 8 to 6. And You must use the Sport + Mode. Hope You understand what i mean. Excuse my very bad English. I hope that You have fun with Your car. And You come always without an accident home.

@@Nightfly1957 thanks, I'm probably going to wait for the M2 or get a used M4

@@fzr1000981 get an M4

This is false. Theirs a whole documentary, toyota sent bmw many revision on the engine for reliability.

@@Smooveee the b58 bin out before the supra even came out but alright where is link to this documentary

@@importfreaks7099 I understand that but when Toyota picked the b58 as their platform, toyota help them make it more reliable with sending them engine revisions a bunch of them too. They did it to make it fit their standards in reliability. I’ll definitely provide the link give me a moment.

@@importfreaks7099 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ldCSrN2e2c25j2Q.html

@@importfreaks7099 enjoy brotha

S58 has fixed crank hub meaning its all one piece design instead of two piece like S55

It could be that in US, these cars are leased. Then the second owners buy them for a good price, but don't keep up with the maintenance, and dump them when something goes wrong that will cost a lot. Then the next owner has some third rate mechanic fix the issues in the cheapest way possible.

The biggest reason for that could be, as far as I‘m concerned, that Americans tend to totally disregard break-in times of engines. In Europe it is the absolute standard not to fully us the RPM-range and do kick-downs till 1000-2000km with a brand new engine. Americans are also known for not letting the engine(oil) warm up properly (talkin atleast 80 degrees celsius) before using any of the engines rpm-range above 3000rpm.

@@laurenzb5003 I get that, but still not everybody is "that" cautious with cars in Europe. Those rpm range recommendations to new cars only apply to M cars, not to lower range BMWs. Also the roads and traffic laws in Europe, particularly in Germany, allow for really high sustained speeds, and believe me, people really like to push their cars to their limits on a regular basis. So to me it's still nonsense that anybody can drive any BMW car for literally 300.000 Km with ZERO issues at cruise speeds systematically above 200 Km/h, everyday in Germany, which obviously implies long periods of full throttle to get such speeds quickly, and yet the same car is constantly broken in America. It just does not make sense, honestly.

Americans also drive a lot more i think. Our highways are much longer than in Europe I’ve been told. I’ve heard people drive bmws to 200-300k miles. But they are right that some owners neglect maintenance and then people buy them for cheap but don’t know what they’re even trying to fix sometimes.

​@@IPL_VIC I doubt that the European highway system is shorter or smaller than the American. It totally feels like the contrary to me, but I do not have data. A true fact however is that European highways actually carry more traffic and considerably heavier truck weights than U.S. roads. I can relate based on my brief experience driving across states in the US (2 weeks) that Americans drive very slow, probably as a defensive measure because roads are quite dangerous (multiple lane level intersections, parallel driving, confusing traffic lights and so on). Also there seem to be little difference between "roads" and "streets" in the US, so I don't really know how to account for that. I would say that Americans might take more time in their cars, but probably not because they are driving to longer distances but because of the many issues of the American road system. Regarding BMWs, from your comment and others, maybe I can get to the conclusion that since BMW is a major brand for new cars in Europe, people just but them /new/ like any other brand, however maybe in the USA the same brand is regarded as a luxury one (expensive?) so people tend to buy them as "used" (cheaper?) in whatever condition they found them, just for the sake of the brand name (?) then multiple problems arise because such cars have been abused by (multiple?) previous owners or already have a really high mileage (?)

That's a good point.All BMW inline sixes are bulletproof.The M54 engine in my 325i has 242000 miles on the clock and still purrs like a kitten.

@@turkishultranationalist N54 Block was solid, it was just the ancillaries around it that were unreliable. But the N54 was using lots of new technologies at the time to produce peak torque at low rpm (~1500rpm). Those technologies have now matured and are more reliable making the new platforms (i.e. S55) overall much more reliable than the N54, but there was no real issues with the N54 block, just the ancillaries.

Idk about that, all I ever hear was nightmares about the pre 2012 bmws

But the plastic parts around that will fail because it’s age and heat related. Engine wise yes, but a plastic intake manifold is also part of that reliable engine.

Good to know, The Toyota name is like a endurance enchanting if they help the developing, but not as pure as if Toyota got invovled.

This is false, toyota provided many revision to parts in the b58 for reliability, toyota has high standards for reliability. Parts are much better in the toyota. Research it. They have a documentary on it.

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@@Smooveee I just watched the linked video to educate myself. Hmm my opinion certainly hasn’t changed. The B58 has sod all to do with Toyota as we ALL know! Oh apart from Toyota’s ‘revision’ to the cylinder head, which has been ditched by Toyota now as it was shite 🤷🏼‍♂️

@@anthonyh958 you clear can’t comprehend the English language my man lol to each their own

What?

@@Dustrunnersauto he's basically saying that Toyota didn't help BMW ...which is wrong lol

This is false

Not pump lol

Regular gas meaning E85?

Yes this is true

On 91 octane...they hit 1050hp on 91 ...

I’d agree. But N55 made the necessary steps that lead bmw to the B58. Stock for stock the N55 was the better engine

​ @Eddie Niems True. But the S55 (M3/4) is almost based on the N54 in terms of forged internals and going back to the twin turbo setup. The improvement was the cooling, of which heat soak is always a problem on the n54. I personally know more than 5 people in my circle who've had catastrophic block failures on tuned n55, and none on n54, including me. So i guess you're right, stock for stock, the N55 would in terms of efficiency. But in terms of strength, especially when we start tuning, personally I would choose n54, B58 or S55. I would go no where near n55.

@@The_Truth777 agreed.

@@The_Truth777Agreed

No its not. The s55 and s58 are both better than the b58. Youve been listening to too much b58 propoganda

@@liamlindsay1458 idk about the s58 but the b58 is better then the s55

S55 handles can handle 800 stock internals. B58 does not, get of b58 dick. S58 is better than both

​@@austinweippert4065can you name whats better in b58 over s55?

I saw a race of a M4 f80 vs new gen M4 and it was like a half car behind not much of a big improvement to excuse talking away the feel of the car and basically making a Really numb car

@@diegoa7450 i just don t get why someone would get the new m4 over the “old” one. The f82 is way more beautiful and whoever says the g80 is better looking is blind or 10 years old. The f82 is also significantly lighter and it has enough power imo, you don t need more.

@@tigeralpha1480 G82 is AWD so it can get way better launches and handling than F82

@@yg78t76t7 yea true but to me personally it s not such a big advantage. The awd system makes the car feel heavier and you don’t really need it unless you live somewhere with really bad weather. Rwd cars are more fun. And yes I know the awd system send the power to the rear wheels fully but it s not as pure to me. Again, just my opinion. When I think of a Bmw i don t think of it as awd, especially the driving oriented bmw s such as the m2, m3 and m4. It s not all about lap times

@@tigeralpha1480 Maybe they ARE 10 years old, like everything else, kids have different taste, they grown up with different influence, so it's totally normal that they prefer things we don't. and honestly, G8x has bigger target market, not everyone see the "harsh" driving texture as pleasure, the G8x got those buyers who seek comfort and luxury into the owner group.

Not really. It's only in a couplemodels. They seem to like the idea of a 4 popers. Although mazda is developing an inline 6.

@@mrwhips3623 The new engine is the M256, which is replacing the M276, which was in a lot of models. The M256 was / will be available in the S 450, CLS 450, AMG GT 43, GLE 450, GLS 450, E 450, S 450, S 580 e, S 500, E 53, CLS 53, AMG GT 53, GLE 53 and Aston Martin DBX. Hardly a couple of models.

In 2ton suvs 🤣🤡

How does that have anything to do with carbon build up? Carbon build up is a common issue with all direct injected engines. That's why companies like Ford and Toyota are now using both port and direct injection

@@4sake123 Carbon build quickly goes quickly away if you don't drive the car like your grandmother. That's the issue in America in general. Normal cruise speeds in Europe are higher, particularly in Germany. Same benefits with particle filters

Not even close.

@@Dustrunnersauto it was named the engine of the year in 2008! I haven’t seen any of this engines with either timing issue or bearing issues unless they were abused. They has some accessory issues with fuel/water pumps which wasn’t cheap to replace but overall structure of the engine is well built for mass production!

@@aslanmammadov2230 n54 is absolute dogshit for reliability. HPFP, injectors leaking, bearings failing, cam ledge's getting chewed apart, turbos rattling and failing, MSD 80's blowing mosfets, water pumps that shit the bed every 50k, everything about that engine needs upgrading just to keep it on the road. i had a 335i n54, worst car ive ever owned in 15 years for reliability.

@@zorn3226 these are mostly accessories that can be replaced. Water pump is most common one but the turbos last at least 100k and more same for the fuel pump. If you keep up with oil changes with quality oil and filter these parts can last even longer. I’ve owned 1,3,5,7 series with N54 and they were all fun cars and never had major issues

It's blown out of proportion by companies looking to sell their products. Sure, it happens sometimes. But, if you break down the amount of S55 engines that have experienced this failure as compared to the amount of crank hub kits that have been sold, it's clearly not nearly as big of an issue as it's made out to be. It's the exact same crankhub as the N55, but you don't see everyone freaking out over their N55 crankhubs do you? The failure is related to the extra power, mechanically driven water pump increasing load on the crankhub, and the more aggressive shifts on the S55 DCT vs the N55 DCT.

Nope

Did you even watch the video. The s58 is a better engine all round. Dam the s55 is better than b58.