I agree 100%, i'd even fly in and advise if they actually put in that kind of effort!

@@david_shih , you would get a better job doing it yourself and letting them buy the supplies and pay for accommodation otherwise it would only be a patch job

Glad you see it that way! Thanks for the support!

You know what! Lagoon just don’t care because 95% of this owner just keep the Boat on the Marina, they not use the boat very often. They are billionaire and use the boat feel weekends per year. They would never find out until Collin from Parlay did. Thank you Collin!

@@geraldwoodworkingllc4674 , so true , Colin deserves a Knighthood

Design flaw ...yes....

Man, that means so much coming from the master! From metal house to metal boat! Love you guys. Can't wait to finish repairs and start sailing like you guys!

As are you Odd .. I want my own sailboat... Been on the hard too long... The Ocean is calling... One day before I die.... Til that day I will watch an learn. Cuz I learn so much!!

@@david_shih I agree, a natural in front of the camera, and such a professional looking video production.

@@robbbbbie12 well robbbbbie with 5 b’s, you made my day!

Says two of the best story tellers out there! Ha ha Love to see the sailing community supporting each other. Love both the channels.

No doubt, Dave. If it is true that no owners have filed a lawsuit, and that no class action suit has been forth-coming, I question the intellectual capacity of Lagoon 450 owners. Such a pervasive and catastrophic mis-design yet the owners just wallow in the quagmiire, create KZfaq videos and sing Kumbaya together. If it were me, I'd be putting a call into Blood, Hurst and O'Reardon. By attempting to repair the boat as Parlay Revival did, you are subjecting yourself to inhaling more fiberglass and resin dust than one should reasonably do in three lifetimes. Not to mention the massive exposure to solvent compounds known to cause organ cancers. This, even if you do all you can to control your exposure. Jobs like that should be worked in nearly the same fashion as asbestos abatement. I feel for these hapless blokes, but cannot understand their willingness to take it up the backside. Must have something to do with the personality make up of cat owners in general. No matter what, Dave Shih makes great videos. All of them are tour de force productions for a KZfaq guy.

You're welcome--thanks for the support!

Engineering skills are tested by every design, so, I think you may be absolutely right/ this "engineering capacity" may be representative of the level of "high" ish skill of Lagoon Catamarans,,,, but Maybe that is an alternate meaning of "high"

@@bradaltemeyer4472 it’s just too easy to hide bad worksmanship that will never be inspected bc it’s hidden behind permanent walls that you can’t get around.

I suspect the engineer specified the right quality plywood, but the yard substituted something not appropriate and pocketed the difference. but then again- I am suspicious quality, is doing it right regardless of anyone being able to see it

@@david_shih it’s really unfortunate you’re having to deal with these issues & thank you for posting the content. Cheers!

Excellent advice...had no idea--will use this tip when building the solar arch!

We are like long lost friends that never met, with everything in common (but we used to vanlife instead of RV)! get a boat already and lets go sail. Where are you guys at the moment? we have to make a video together!

@@david_shih we are in the florida keys for awhile and yes let’s colab soon. OK i gotta get back to editing lol

@@tryNsomethingnew Waiting for your new vid to drop!!!!

@@david_shih in the near future, we would love to buy a catamaran that is in great shape that needs new motors becuase we want to buy new electric motors, create que a completely electric off grid lifestyle, if you come across one, and could let me know i would be truly greatful, am heading to fort lauderdale for thanksgiving week. But we are only and hour flight from there

@Sandra Lee love the electric conversion idea, I have that dream as well, but batteries & dc generators are so expensive. Have you looked into electric motors yet? I’ve only researched ocean volt and super nice! will keep you in mind if I see something.

Exactly!! Its so common to hear that this and that problem is "normal" on a lagoon. Yes, they're only normal because all the bulkheads are broken and causing those issues. Thanks for the kind words on the editing! If i could find someone to edit I would absolutely use them because this episode literally took me 67 hours to edit. Didn't sleep from thursday early morning until saturday night. Also edited every spare second of the day all week between all the boat work. So happy to hear you liked it, so sounds like it was worth it.

Yes , so true . A friend had a Lagoon 450 and I stayed on it a number of times . Great party platform and comfortable but I noticed the crap fit and finish , sliding door not closing and more and just put it down to production boat . I now realize it was busted too . He never sailed it , it was just a party platform for the Caribbean and there was a different boat for sailing - he said the Lagoon sailed like shit and motored everywhere . So he never broke it Lucky for him he sold it before this all came out and never knew about it .

Its crazy how long this problem has been lurking being the cabin walls. If there are newer 2020 models with this issues that means the older ones were probably broken just out of the factory. There was just no reason to premptively disassemble wooden walls and trim to inspect the bulkheads. So they just kept bending and warping until one day it finally fails completely and the rigging goes slack. Then you know...

want to hear something crazy? After all the bulkhead issues and people started testing, Lagoon recently released an "acceptable sinking/bend" spec. I think they're claiming 20mm is normal. I don;t expect to see any on Parlay and my boat once we're in the water, but will keep you posted!

@@david_shih Foobah

@@david_shih Yikes , if one expects it to bend 20mm then it should be made with 20MM of pre-bend the other way so it is level when in the water. I call bull Sthit , , no boat should bend 20mm sitting still , what happens when you have 15 people partying aboard ?

@@faircompetition1203 Parlay and I both went a bit past level (~5mm) so it can bend back a tiny bit. but i agree...the floor shouldn't sink in the middle by design!

Yeah!!! Me and Parlay baby! Well there are a few other's that have copied Colin's extensive fix too.

It's a wonderful community isn't it. The default is to band together and help each other...i don't think you can find that attitude anywhere else!

Dean! Couldn't do it without all of your encouragement. Thank you!

GO HOGS! Love your boat Dean!

Will do Patrick! Thanks for watching!

wow, never saw it like that. than you bro, and your name is too cool for me not to check out your channel...clicking now!

hahaha, cracks, lol... Ive been watching colins cracks for months.

@@david_shih Whahaha 😆

@@david_shih ,lol,you're dammm. funny and love the humor..

I’m trying my darndest to beat parlay to splashing. I still have a week or so of fiberglassing and they have sugar scoops to finish up. And we both need to primer and antifoul! Shooting for the end of the month!

@@david_shih BRAVO!

@@david_shih Good luck - remember you can not overbuild it - there is not enough space . Put in as much as you can

Boats just aren't built like they used to be eh? I know cats need to be lighter, but I'd sacrifice a bit of speed over durability any day!

hahah...im going to redo my lagoon logo on the side of the boat to say regoon. nice one!

Hey Steve...so cool that you're inspired! After years of watching Colin inspired me to buy a boat in the 1st place. I just never thought it would lead to him helping me fix it as well!

I'm getting close John! About another month and a half and I sould be splashing!

More boat progress next week! Thanks for following!

You're kidding man! I saw it as i was leaving the marina and had to pull over and get the shot! What was it like to sail that thing??? What kind of boat are you in now!

His smile is what I fell in love with the first time we met…in Vegas! 😍

Too kind Bill! So glad to have you watching!

Donna Kawana! still lovin' your name!!!

Yay NZ! i spent a month in Christchurch with my uncle! Snowboarded and bungiejumped in Queenstown! Absolutely can't wait to get there with the boat and spend as long as my visa will allow!

Hey Thomas great to hear because I’m already starting on the next episode believe it or not!!! Got to have it ready by you latest next Saturday!

I'm absolutely doing it Tomek! I committed to myself after the Annapolis boat show that I would do 1 video per week no matter what. So far 2 weeks and 2 videos. It's taking all of my waking time (and some sleeping time) but well worth it. So happy to see you're enjoying them!

Glad you enjoyed it! Gotta say, auto pilot on boats is still quite better than in cars!

You think? Wow thank you!!! Always trying to improve!

Thanks Jay…learned from the best! Colin’s the man. Im almost done with my repairs (the videos are a tad behind) just hope these 2 owners dean and Andrew get some help from Lagoon. And also hope lagoon doesn’t nail me 1st. Don’t shoot me lagoon, I love your boats more than any other, that’s why I’m trying to fix mine!!!

@@david_shih The thing is, Lagoon pretty much HAVE to help owners out, now it's proven that a) the issues aren't "hurricane damaged boats" only and b) that they have some manufacturing issues, as demonstrated by the state of some of the bulkheads. If they start hassling legit owners like yourself I doubt they'll ever sell another boat - things already look pretty tough online whenever anyone tries to sell one, and that won't change unless and until Lagoon get a reputation for helping their customers, so I reckon things will work out in the end. Also, some of the nations that have bought Lagoon boats have some fairly bulletproof lemon laws - Norway and Finland, to name just two. I'm glad it's nearly all done so we can see some video of you kicking back and having fun instead of slaving away on the boat all the time, although we like the repair vids too :) Hang in there fellah.

@@jay_behr i thought exactly the same as you a couple months back. But after going to the boat show in Annapolis i saw the catamaran craze and realized this isn’t hurting their new boat sales at all. They’re actually 2-3 years back ordered. And then it all made sense why they don’t care about a few hundred owners who are suffering. As for sailing instead of boat work? I can’t wait to make video of us anchoring in some clear blue water and tossing our kids overboard from the flybridge! I’m sure I’ll get yelled at in the comments.

@@david_shih Someone always yells from every comment section. Just block em and move on :) And yeah, maybe some folk will buy a flawed product even when they're shown the truth but I think maybe in due course there will be a downturn ... we shall see. Some harder times a-coming and maybe fewer folk who can afford a new catamaran ... I know I can't! :)

the lagoon people..who study on university..professionals...experts..lol..they are maybe good people. But maybe they have to change business..making hats..or baskets for easter..something where the damage will be not so big

I'd love to cross with Parlay, but I'm probably headed back to Texas to repair my cabins. I will try to splash when colin does...at least we'll get to go for a sail or 2 together.

Yaaaas! Precision sails! I love you guys! Can't wait to get your sails on the boat!!!

Thanks! Contrary to popular belief, most of the owners aren't mad at Lagoon that their boats are broken...they're just confused and disturbed that Lagoon won't help them.

I’ll do everything I can to keep this channel going! I totally understand about focusing on the kids. I feel horrible for being away for so long trying to fix this boat. I try to make up for it by going back home every few weeks, but I know it’s not enough! Waiting you on the water in 2030, but hope you can move that date up a bit!

@@david_shih My problem is getting wife hooked on my dream 😂 She is not too keen on blue water sailing. So I guess I need to figurer out how to do crossings alone and she will fly to the destinations. Well I need to learn to sail too but I have a few years to do that. A sneaky plan I have is to get my son hooked on it so He and me can do the sailing and then he can do all the hard stuff while I am laying back having a beer.🙂

@@StevoBolgakov Tip for getting children hooked - let them drive and trim the sails . They don't want to just ride on it they want to sail it

Absolutely, Right? Any auto with similar problems would have been recalled long ago!

im stealing that saying my man! absurdity of life....it is pretty absurd isn't it...we just act like its normal.

Perhaps I should have taken up writing fortune cookies instead of mechanics - but: Normal is a setting on a dishwasher - Harley Quinn. Embrace the absurdity, because it's clearly not going to leave. - Me, just a moment ago.

ooooh effervescent....sounds awesome. thank you Ando!

Hey J...i'd love to do an episode on my background. I guess i figured it wouldn't be all that interesting. I'm just a normal dude with a wife just as crazy as me. We sold most of our stuff and decided boat life it is! Then boat was broken and the only person i could find in the world to help me fix it was Colin from Parlay Revival and he was in Panama. We sailed there and that's where ive been for the past 9 months. She went home to work a take care of the kids. To be honest, being away from the family is the hardest part of this whole repair.

@@david_shih I really agree with J!! I am sure that with your personality and your story you really have good grounds to make a succéfull youtube channel.

@@StevoBolgakov wow guys. Thanks, really. Alright I’m going to go edit now…inspired!

@@david_shih Yes, I concur... ✌🏻💗😊❣️

@@donnakawana donna kawana? Is that your real name because it’s awesome. Help me come up a name for my channel? I’m so stumped!

Yay Franny! Thanks so much for such kind words-this video literally took me all week long. Including all last night…on the upside, I’m slowly getting faster at editing. Trying to decide if I should stay out of sync and do the boat show episode next, or should I go back to the boat work in panama? Thoughts?

@@david_shih First you crushed it so there's that... :) I bet you could use the boat show footage to pull it all back to Panama - like some of the reasons you are working on the boat in the first place. It was super cool to meet you and Mary and I know you have a lot of footage from that. That stuff always resonates. Your pacing and story telling is so on point. That S&*T is hard to do well. I need some lessons on how to make putting a car suspension back together exciting and fun! We are really getting amped about this boat thing. Trying really hard to talk ourselves out of a FP47 at the moment. Lots of other cool choices like the Nautitech 46 Fly you mentioned. We have got to get out there!!! Oh, I knew about the orange trick but not the water bottle. Awesome. ;)

@@HeidiandFranny I enjoyed talking to you guys so much during Parlay’s Patreon meetup! David will definitely carve away some time from boat work and editing to give you a call. He loves chatting with people about all this! I have your contact info!

@@mary_shih :)

Hahaha thanks! Had to cut the hair because of all the fiberglass dust!

FIJI?! wow, cant wait to take the boat out there. It's definitely one of the places ive been dreaming about visiting since i was a kid! What's it like living in paradise?

@@david_shih sure my friend. You must try to visit our island paradise. Hope to see you soon. Best wishes from FIJI 🇫🇯.

Thanks Art! come down and visit...or wait till we're back in Texas depending on where you're from.

@@david_shih Thank you David! I'm from Portugal. If only it was closer or cheaper to travel...

Portugal, I was looking at a bunch of boats in that area before we bought! I was too scared of crossing the atlantic tho. Wonderful place that I hope to sail to one day!

@@david_shih it’s Art from Portugal 🇵🇹 Let’s hope you find the courage to sail here after the boat is ready. I live in Oporto. Yes, the place where the Port wine comes from 🧐 as I can’t travel to go and help you there, let me know if I can help from here. 💪🏻take care! Your new vídeo is epic and the negative pressure room is awesome!

I love hearing that complaint! But damn if it's not difficult to keep the general viewers attention on longer videos. I envy those other channels that have 25 minutes videos and hundreds of thousands followers. I'm thinking I'll create a bunch of extra content for other platforms like Patreon or Instagram. Still trying to figure all this out! But keep the suggestions coming please!

Wow thanks! Fellow parlay fan too!

Glad you liked! Thx for the comment!!!

Thx Techie! working on the next vid already, trying to have it ready by next weekend!

Hey thanks Rick...the secret is I just don't film the times that I'm crying in the dark, holding my knees and rocking in the corner of my destroyed cabin while breathing fiberglass dust and wondering what I'm doing with my life.

@@david_shih 😂

@@david_shih unbelieveble..lagoon have to give you another boat without cracks...not tomorrow but TODAY!!! otherwise....you know what i am talkn

@@caseybachmeyer Otherwise…otherwise…I’m just going to sit here and take it, ha!

Mike, you'd be surprised. My surveyor, as well as the surveyors of both boats in this video missed the bulkhead problem completely. Of course Andrew's boat broke a lot more on his way back from the carribean, but it definitely already had bulkhead issues. Hopefully with everything out in the open future surveyors wont miss anything.

@@david_shih I'd get in contact with that "surveyor" for a refund ! How they could miss the things visible above deck level like doors and windows or drawers out of whack, let alone not using a bubble level on every horizontal surface in boat is hard to understand. Add in they knew it was a hurricane boat, right or was that only in Colin's case with PR ?

Thanks for the support Oscar! Hope we find these 2 guys a solution!

Niels, im with you....I love lagoon despite all this crap. They are awesome boats. The bulkhead issues is mostly with the 450's, but theres a 410 in linton bay panama that's about to haul out with broken bulkheads. I was talking with James from Zingaro who told me about a 500 he sailed on with bulkheads problems as well. I think your best best is a new and recently reinforced/redesigned (post bulkhead-issue) Lagoon 46.

@@david_shih Did you mean to heart your comment or his David or is the another finger under the board you whack with hammer moment? 🤣

Hey thanks Brent, Colin is still working behind the scene trying to get lagoon to help owners. Sadly its an uphill battle as some owners are still fighting us as we try to help.

thanks gerald, parlay inspired me a ton...and they taught me even more. it's a bummer about the bulkheads, but without that issues i would have never had this epic life experience!

You think so? I was trying hard to go for something constantly changing and exciting. Thanks for watching!

yeah probably...and you'll probably have to look at the interior windshield camera so it can scan your eyes to make sure!

@@david_shih Believe it or not you're not wrong. That's what's being suggested now is that they monitor drivers with the interior cameras at all times when driving. Look into it you may want a new car soon...

Yes, Dean the airplane guy has all the experience in the world with interiors. Hoping to lean on his expertise when i get the boat back to texas. Thanks for continuing to follow the crazy journey, means a lot.

@@david_shih yea i would definately hold on to his number

Thanks AI Man or is it Ai Man...I'm thinking its Ai! Youre definitely right Man, this one took me about 75 hours. I'm super slow at editing at the moment. Trying to get faster!

Alan’s Swamp, I’ll have to go check it out. 2 more months should do it!!!! I hope…

Wrong - not seaworthy at all . No Barely even

exactly, could separate and sink anytime

@@hthring Fine for maybe powering around but certainly not to take to sea and face waves and wind . It is a cascade failure , growing as one bit after another fails . Frankly I would even be scared lifting out .

Yeah...thank god he was close to home when the bulkheads finally failed completely and the rigging went slack! The lifting iw actually ok if you use a travel lift with straps. The motion actually pushes the bottoms of the hulls together back into alignment. Not so good for the mess of wood inside that cracks all over again, but mine and Parlay's lifted fine out of the water.

just total it, not worth repairing

the putty bonding technique is definitely inadequate... many lagoons already show cracking there and need to be tabbed in. but hopefully the cracking bulkheads are just isolated to the 450.

The bulkhead issue is not only the 450. We have fixed a 50 with the same issues. I have just finished fixing a 450. Both have companionway and forward bulkheads, inboard on both, damage. As boat builders in NewZealand we are appalled with the construction methods used. I used Iroko timber posts on the frd repairs glued to the existing bulkhead. I removed the companionway bulkheads each side and replaced with a19mm mixed grain hardwood ply, 4 layers of 625 double bias tabed to wing deck and all around the cabinets etc, fitted fore& aft bulkheads and glassed on to the cockpit floor and bridge deck. We hung the boat so the hulls ended up within 10 mm of the design center line. If anyone would like me to email some pictures I would be happy to do so. sailorwalks@hotmail.com. The material costs are not that great,but the hrs can add up.

Hey Bev thanks for sharing! Sending you an email now! Would love to see your work!

Thanks Gary, great to hear you like it! Can't wait to get more out for you !

No, thank you Bill!!

Lou, thank you!

Thanks wanderlust...sweet name btw, i'm really trying to come up with something good for the channel. Also how do you like the dji FPV? I've been considering picking one up, but Im certain I'll crash it...

Will do...this week was really really hard. It's my 1st time doing 2 weeks of video in a row. It almost killed me, i havent slept in 30 hours and its only noon. It doesn't matter, i love this life--whatever it takes baby!

Seriously man? Thanks so much Robin. Can't wait to splash...maybe another month or so!

hey thanks for watching and making all the work worth it!

Pontus...i appreciate that more than you know!

Hey Houston! What part? We’re downtown and will be in Kemah once I….if I ever…. Get the boat back home! Ah yes, The Parlay episode where he caught me lurking in the shadows trying to copy all his cool mods! Can’t blame me man, the guys a genius when it comes to cats.

@@david_shih Jersey Village. Take it easy man

No AWBaby you rock. And thx. :)

Aw yeah! My Reddit friend. As for his comment… yes, I’m definitely immature. But if that bothers them, wait till they see the footage of us partying on parlay, it gets a whole lot less mature than that. Or that time I did a whole women’s aerobics workout on the flybridge with Silvia, Colin’s gf.

Just trying to help these 2 guys out a bit.

Yay Cavu!!!! Love your channel!!!

Too cool MoleMan, really glad you liked it!

Thanks TheDude!

Hey Paolo!!! Thanks for watching! Yeah the Parlay guys have made this all possible. Having them walk me through the whole complicated process has been a god sent!

Thanks for subbing!!! Almost done with the next video…about grinding fiberglass!!!

youre right about that...its this weird feeling of grief. Definitely leading to a bunch of crazy stories though! Im sure I'll look back on it all one day and laugh...

Thanks richard, I know you’ve been following since the beginning-really appreciate that!

Thx Clinton. Appreciate you. Let me know what you think of this weeks vid about us making the 3.8ft power boat.

Cheers!

I feel like tesla keeps improving the 'sensing' tech. I used to work great with just an orange stuck in there. Then that stopped working but a waterbottle would cut it...now the water bottle doesn't work half the time.

Yay Italy, the land of amazing food...colin's girlfirend on makes some amazing food on Parlay!

Glen, you're right on the money...and maybe it's that flybridge that introduced some unexpected forces on the bulkheads. Appreciate you watching the vids!

Even if every 450 is repaired this story will be remembered for a long time. This cat is tainted because even if the bulkheads are repaired can owners be sure that all the secondary damage as been found and repaired. It will never have the same number of people chasing to buy second hand and certainly will only sell at rock bottom prices.

@@russellprout723 maybe the priceless buckets of blood, sweat, and tears i will have put into her by the time I’m done will bring the resale back up a bit.

@@russellprout723 Sadly you are probably right Russell. Even if properly repaired and strengthened any potential purchaser would be hesitant or at the very least want to see all the repairs, strengthening and possibly engineers reports and those items may not be available. The crying shame is that this is a fantastic design and if properly repaired is one of the best cruising cats ever built. The damage to Lagoon's reputation (which was a bit dodgy anyway re after sales service) will take a long time and a lot of money to repair.

@@david_shih I hope so David. Where the owners have gone through their boats like yourself and Colin have it would make me as a potential buyer happier than if a yard were to do so.

really appreciate you watching Ed!

thx Andrew.

Jorge!!! Thanks man!!

I loved that movie, and now you've got me worried. Sleeping with my flare gun tonight.

@@david_shih 🤣🤣🤣🤣💥💥💥

Come to think of it, its probably far more dangerous being pulled over by a cop car in the US. 🙄

Yeah but it’s only the 450s that are having bulkhead issue, yay, nay ?

Thanks eilam! hope you stay for all the repair videos coming soon.

Thx Steve, really glad you enjoyed it!

It used to work great with just an orange stuck in the steering wheel!

Thanks Neil! Many many more videos too come. Been swamped with all the crazy boat work the past few weeks!

James my friend, looks like you're going to get your wish on both fronts. I've decided to man up and do whatever it takes to get videos out every week. So this one is actually the 1st time I made it 2 weeks in a row. The editing volume almost killed me but it was so worth it. PSS. I got a bunch of resin in my hair dripping down from the ceiling while fiberglassing so looks like I'm going to have to buzz it all. --tear.

Hey i was worried some of those b-roll cuts are too quick, flashing through. Thoughts?

@@david_shih I think the pacing was just right. And there is an underlying humour/irony that underpins the narrative. Goodness knows how long it takes to edit, but the result is excellent. And lets face, right now, you need a sense of humour...