He did the absolute right thing by calling the cops and they act like they don’t want to be bothered.

Not a jerk, just disbelieving imo

Dismissive POS.

Probably dismissive and rude because the guy is Mormon. It’s disgusting.

The cop is HORRIBLE

And he’s so calm and collected. This situation hes talking about is impossibly frustrating and he’s so calm about this and just looking for help!

100% !!!

Absolutely and he and those kids deserve justice.

this is the problem with cops well one of the problems,they don't listen or take things seriously.Women who are abused are a joke to them they show up and act like buddies with the abuser and turn on the woman,and when children are in danger and you tell them over and over they don't do anything.They act as if it's a joke or waste of there time.Those children and other children could have been saved if cops,cps,and the justice system cared or made it a priority.A change is way overdue.

Pen or Sword which is greater: Never depend on anyone else to save you! You are so right and that goes for doctors, policeman, and others..... like you said be Proactive and save yourself if you can. Charles had too many people going against him for monastery purposes, the police should have known right away that she was nuts from what Charles told them she said! 🙀🥺

Or a new career that has nothing to do with defending the law or protecting the innocent.

He followed the law

The problem is cops are going to hear a lot of couples saying that they been threatened to be killed by their partners. He probably heard that so many times before that he got desensitized to it.

I actually thought they did the best they could, tried to advise him of what he should and can do. Just my opinion

They were very rude and condescending

Yes we demand justice for Charles as well as JJ and Tylee! The children as well himself could have been saved had they listened to Charles possibly even Tammy!

Her brother shot him and killed him

IM sure it will .

@@nikki3088 thats what i thought but who killed her brother?

Lorie has a second trial coming.after this one,specifically for the death of Charles.

Of domestic partner violence? No. He died by being murdered by Lori's brother, who was given directions by Chad Daybell. I believe he and Lori were already split. Men ARE the highest % of murder victims (both stranger violence and acquaintance violence, but not domestic partner violence) in the United States, and their murderers are other men.

@AlisaBrock I’m sure it haunts him... it Certainly would haunt me!!

@@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724 I would be haunted too. 💔

Definitely agree Alissa Brock

I wish this officer could be confronted or reprimanded for his dismissive behavior that resulted in several deaths. What an ass!!

@Ms. Buschhorn AMEN Sister

Unfortunately the officers have to follow the law.. Lori was very wise in her wording and being as manipulative as she is its not surprising they didn't have anything to use against her. She was not in violation of any law. Charles knew she was up to no good, but that's not enough to do anything further.

Ms. Buschhorn I really hope you’re joking when you said “I believe there was no amber alert on the kids because they didn’t know where they were....” THATS WHAT AMBER ALERTS ARE FOR! IT WAS CREATED TO FIND KIDS WHEN THEY DONT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE! Jesus Christ the stupidity.

He was a fine cop! He was very very helpful and smart too. He also believed this man and was patient and kind. I would hope to get a cop as fine as him when I need help but hopefully I won’t.

I disagree, i think cops did take him seriously. The cops hands are tied since there is no crime committed

I think Charles was dead the next day?

This is such a disappointment. Didn't hear this in court. He was was scared for his and family lives.

You could tell his smart ass was disinterested from the very beginning

@Tiny Princess Want some salt to put on that boot?

@Tiny Princess that man died b/c he did not take Charles serious

Typical cop isn't it ?

@Tiny Princess what man died? Are you clueless?

@Tiny Princess protect

It’s not simply because it can mean several diff things. For example “I’ll destroy you” can be meant as I’m going to ruin your life, I’ll destroy your business etc etc etc.

​@@sheslikethewind8999but she said she could KILL him.. with her powers...

@@marshapieroni6677 yes I understand that but because her “powers” aren’t real, the police couldn’t really do anything unfortunately. If I told someone I’m going to end them with the light that shines out of my eyes, I wouldn’t be arrested.

What angers me is the cop wrote down that HE was the one who was acting suspiciously because he had legal questions and the police officer also felt why so many legal ?’s and no concerns for Lori’s well-being. He called because of her for Christ sake! Nothing wrong with him trying to protect himself too. Oh and u know how he mentions they have a beautiful dog?.... Lori ended up giving it away and telling the kids some bogus story as to why it’s gone. Saw that on a interview with the person she gave the dog to. It was to be a service dog for JJ .

I’m so sad this poor man is now gone! Nobody took him seriously, and why?? Bc he’s the man? This is such complete BS! His car was stolen from the airport, his $ was stolen from the business account, and he is in fear for his children and had been threatened to be murdered! And nothing! If I were Charles family, this police department should be held somewhat accountable.

The police are stupid in this whole case, and they should be held responsible for Charles' death. He comes to the Police for help and gets turned away, and then ended up dead 😕

Exactly

@@kristentrep5038 Our society is very sexist against men unfortunately. Men are always seen as being in the wrong and women always the victim.

Grateful. Right on!

This officer sickens me!

Exactly how I felt. This is the saddest video!

But if this was Lori, Charles would be in jail... If you find these officers and police inaction inappropriate, believe in equality of law, then support men as victims as much as women.

Good catch

The problem is that the cops didn’t take him seriously, it was just another call they had to deal with. From a mans perspective, and I went through a similar scenario, the cops ALWAYS LEANED TOWARDS THE WOMAN AND HER “STORY!” If they had taken this call more seriously, perhaps Charles would still be alive.

they said "there was no crime" so they couldn't do anything. How bout the fact that all his things are gone. Isn't that a crime?

@aoife the police wrote this up as Charles was more concerned with legal concern of her taking his money. The man mentioned it 1 time as in what all she had done. The whole other 29 minutes was how out of touch she was and he was scared for her and his kids. The cop seemed indifferent to anything he said. Charles was respectful and calm. I truly fill more could have been done. Tammy, Charles and the children would be alive.

There are a few more that have blood on their hands!

They DID NOT take him serious!! So sad.. may this be a lesson for law enforcement.. When people cry out for help like Charles Vallow take it seriously, listen to what people are telling you!! Even if it sounds unbelievable or absurd, listen and do your job to protect!! I wish people had listened!!! At least he is in heaven with JJ and Tylee 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

whats worse, the very next morning, Lori, the daughter who was later killed and her best friend, the psycho Melanie Gibb, went to the police station to file a complaint against the husband for taking her purse!!. All of this is on video as well. The cops fell in love with Lori, and believed everything she said. They then called him, and he had that order to have her put away at a hospital for 48 hours. He said he was coming to the station with her purse that he took from her , trying to get his truck back. The cops then went back in to talk to Lori and told her about the order and told her that if she were to leave the station while the order was being looked at by the Seargant , then they couldnt stop her and she could avoid having the order served on her!!! The basically conspired so the order to put her in a hospital for 48 hours could not be served! Violating , god know, how many laws! .. Unbelievable police department. Sherriff and all detectives should be fired!

Ed So yes she completely manipulated them especially the one that was on his first month of training, re-watched that earlier actually as needed to re-check something

@@itubeutubewealltube1 can you tell me where to find these videos please? I would love to see them! I've heard several people referring to them but idk where to look for them!

exactly !!! bloody shoddy work all round no one thought to investigate or take things seriously. as a result all three of them are dead! a tragedy that should have consequences

Joyce Millholland Especially when you know neither party with no records to even suggest what either may be capable of. Police not only need to be watched more closely for racism but for negligence because there is no telling how their actions did or didn’t play a part out in the end results. In my mind I would take in consideration who sought out for the police first because the guilty ones tend to stay away from police.

and she depicted him as histerical and violent and all kinds of things he is not showing under the stress here.

💯😢

True !

Psychic Donna it said that Alex helped Lori kill her daughter

That's why she killed her brother and her children - the witnesses.

@smh9000 exactly what I thought when the story of Charles broke. I thought she shot him and Alex took 'the fall'. Cops failed to gunshot residue test both Alex and Lori. Apparently no cursory check of this address where this call at the home included threats of violence. The cops even coached Alex throughout his confession. So it was entirely bungled. Alex had to have an immediate threat to shoot to kill. Cop asked him where he retrieved the gun and he'd gone back to his bedroom. He should have barricaded himself in. But walked back out and shot Charles. That is the only story I know of. But it would have brought charges against Alex any other time or place. Lori is practically giggling to the police while her husband lies dead inside. Then she has a pool party. But in October, (Charles died 7/11/19) Brandon Boudreaux is shot at in his vehicle by a man in Charles Vallow's Jeep that Tylee drove. Brandon was in a divorce from Lori's close niece, Melani, who sticks real tight with Lori even moving to Idaho with her at the same time. Then Tammy Daybell was shot at ten days before her death. And did they do an autopsy? NO. They exhumed her for autopsy in December the day before Alex died on the bathroom floor in his own excrement. Lori is a serial killer wiping out her family if they get in her way. She has another dead husband, Joseph Ryan, Tylee's bio father. And still no word on the whereabouts of her first two husbands. Two missing, I presume dead. One, possibly two dead sisters. Now Alex died 12/12/2019. Tylee and JJ are missing; I presume dead. Tammy Daybell dead 17 days before Lori and Chad marry in Hawai'i. Ten people are dead or missing in Lori's wake. I wonder if she has missing former friends as well.

I know right? Keystone incompetent cops. She says...'Take the kids, I don't care what happens to them'...and the cop just responds 'but she didn't make a direct threat to them, right?' Well, duh, how "direct" is direct?

truthseeker Right?! “Destroy" isn’t a _real_ threat? Really?? Also, they say they thought it was "weird" that he was more worried about the money, but I heard him say "she’s got my kids, I can’t find my kids" multiple times, when I heard him mention the money exactly _once._ Well guess what, I think it was "weird" that those cops were more worried about "covering their own ass" regarding kicking the door in than being worried about this man’s kids.

Luv2LuvEm breaks My heart too. I cry every time I watch this.

@@Luv2LuvEm he would have had to give the officer "a plan" of how Lori was going to kill him. We can all go around saying we are going to kill someone. This does not give them rights to admit or arrest. But, if she added the plan on how she was going to murder him such as: "I am going to have my brother Alex come and shoot you in cold blood." then this can get her a 72 hr observation. It would be interesting to see WHY the evaluator the next day let her go after the psych eval. they are very lazy. They do not like involuntary admitting someone. It entails them having to go to a hearing in front of a judge and testifying against Lori to convince the judge that she needs more than 72 hours. This is Work! and most evaluators are lazy and incompetent and system people. The judges typically do a good job but they dont get to see the people like Lori, cause the evaluators drops the ball. The police know this and takes the same stance. Because its the police that has to escort them to the evaluation and elsewhere if committed to a psychiatric facility. It can take an entire 24 hours waiting for the process to complete, and they usually drop the ball before the right services are implemented.

Gilbert PD were a LOT nicer to Lori than Charles. That is for certain. Wasn't she at a hotel with the kids ( and Bailey) at this time? She probably knew Charles would call LE and that's why she ran to a hotel. This is really the first video I have ever seen of Charles. I do not know anyone involved in the case but, Even in a video I can just feel how loving and kind Charles is. I live in Idaho so of course am very familiar with LDS faith and LDS culture. To me, Charles is obviously a faithful LDS member. When Charles speaks, you can feel that sincere kind of love that many LDS peeps have. Not ALL but a good number of LDS members do have that sincere kind of way shoing live for their family and for their fellow man. Lori supposedly had said that she was " more spiritual than Charles.." if kids were not still missing I would take a chance to roast her over such a stupid thing to say. This man is CLEARLY spiritual. He is a kind patient and loving about his family. Treats Tylee as his own. He CLEARLY loves all those kids. I for one am very touched after watching Charles exhibit strength and kindness when most of us would have lost our empers after being stranded at the airport after a long day of work, a long flight, no car, no money...... I would have liked to have known Charles. He seemed like such a good man. Now when Chad Daybell SPEAKS: n a manner obviously attempting to imitate LDS general Authorities, Chad has his general authority impersonation down pat. And his website looks almost identical to official LDS Websites. Chad only talks about himself- oh, and of course his many, MANY chuch callings. LDS members and LDS non members are all very familiar with Chad's "tyoe of Mormonism" which of course really is not " Mormon." At all. Chad is egotistic. Chad is also quite boring. And yet, Lori sees Chad as the more spiritual of these two men? IMHO Chad has nothing on Charles in any way shape or form. Watching Charles warms my heart. I can tell he is the real deal. I do hope we can find his kids as well as justice for Charles. Such a good guy. It sickens me that Charles had a hard time getting anyone to take his concerns seriously. I know ILE can only so much. To think the very next day Lori wpukld drag her 17 yr old ( COMPLETELY INAPPROPRITE for a mother) to t he station, her BFF MG just sits there allowing Lori to disparage Charles while giggling like a teenager. Obviously at this point Lori and Chad were in an affair. MG most likely knew It.... if MG sis not know about the affair between CD and LV, MG is not very bright. MG is the one person who could have helped Charles at this time but she didn't. MG had speaking engagements, books to sell and of course needed Chad and Lori to promote her business.... makes me SICK that MG took so long to FINALLY say something. While I am grateful she will likely testify against the Daybells I still feel MG should be VERY ashamed of her actions towards Charles Vallow. Shame on her. As always, thanks for covering. Love East Idaho News and wish you all wouips cover western Idaho as well!

Yes Dave and usually the cops can break into any door within seconds, yet they stand back and watch desperate Charles trying to enter his own home. His truck has been stolen, his bank account is now drained so he can’t pay his employees , he’s worried about his kids, he’s just driven a long drive home, tired, confused and frustrated. The cops are not being supportive and are so LAZY. GO GET SOME DOUGHNUTS 🍩 AND A NICE EXPENSIVE HOT COFFEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!☕️

That’s the typical behavior of power hungry narcissist cops. They’re in control, they have power over everyone and everything and they get off on it! They hear stories from druggies and lunatics all day every day and it has to be enough to drive them crazy. At some point they become hardened and the lowlife citizens are nothing more than a pain in their rear.

@@Cantstandtherock in a nutshell 👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆

@Tiny Princess Charles loved Lori, Tylee and JJ. I CAN’T IMAGINE how draining this would be. He spoke up and it’s on camera, where’s the support???

She cheated on him, threaten to kill him and take his kids. Then said a mam who can't even kick down a door was killed in self defense because she and her fully armed brother feared him. I honestly lost it when I heard this .. I can't even finish the story of the case where the kids are dead.

Agree. These people don't play by the rules..dirty b!

Shannon F-PA these pigs don’t care

Useless Police anywere we looks. USELESS!

Truth.

Amen! Scary when not even the cops will listen.... so very sad! If people would've spoke up and officers and others would've listened, lives could've been saved!

They generally always fail the man with the crazy lying wife! Been there done that. Put the man in jail and arrest him for kidnapping if he didn’t show up on time to exchange the children.

Yup, they sure did. She’s a freak

Don’t they always?

​@@justindeming3553 At that time even though the paper work was filed , they were not divorced nor legally separated and there was no child custody battles. But still they should have done something . They should have treated the situation as child endangerment. She seen the divorce papers that showed that Charles indicated her mental state that indicating how her behavior was & how he believed she was not in a stable frame of mind ! These officers seen the same paperwork and in fact were suppose to do a well child care check!. At that point when she was not at the resident & in fact the residence was emptied out , and the children were gone too, automatically they should have issued a warrant for her arrest! He was the one who called for police assistance. Instead they treated him like he was a criminal the minute they arrived on to the scene. They even had the paperwork in hand to do a well child care check that was triggered from the writing in the divorce paperwork that Charles had filed ! That night the police should have placed an all points bulletin or a warrant for her arrest for child endangerment. She knew there was someone coming to do a child welfare check. Why didn't they automatically post an Amber alert after they did a search of the premises! Seven year old JJ has special needs and Tylee was only 16 years old at the time (both miners) went missing! The police could have gotten a warrant not only for her arrest but also a warrant to tracked her cell phones or the kids cell phones. I wish Charles could have hired a private detective to locate their whereabouts. Family & friends surely would have helped him. Personally , I think she should not be let out on bail until she can produce the children. And she should be charged for child endangerment . The courts should have appointed lawered guidadlidem for each of the children! Tylee was receiving social security from her biological deceased fathers' social security. Tylee was still collecting SS even while she was missing someone had cashed her checks! And upon Tylees' 18 birthday Tylee was to inherit the remaining half of her biological fathers' estate. He was Lori's 3rd husband & Lori already received the other half that she was legally entitled to as the widow (of 3rd husband). I am wondering if the insurance policy from her (Tylee) late father might have indicated that her mother ( Lori) would stand to inherit Tylees inheritance if Tylee died before her 18th birthday! Low & behold Tylee goes missing a week or 2 or even days before her 18th birthday! I had to mention which husband she because she has been married 5 TIMES!!!

Jill Seufert I bet they feel real stupid

VJ S .....honestly, I’m not shocked

FBI did apparently 🤷🏼‍♀️

I am so pissed. If they would have done something those kids might not be dead now. Cuz we all know they are dead

VJ S it’s Gilbert police. They don’t do shit.

Those police officers are dumb assess

Exactly! Police should have better training or take IQ tests, if they get lower than 105 they're designated parking duty. Let intelligent and intuitive police officers handle real issues/crimes..... I do understand hindsight but even so, they failed Charles Vallow and JJ & Tylee :(

You win for cutest name

Made me cry hearing him too.

@bubbles n lipgloss AMEN!😭💔🙏

Yeah, I can’t believe how many times and how hard this man tried to get help and absolutely no one actually helped him. Police were useless, they acted like it was an inconvenience to them.

How long after?

@@MargauxNeedler not long a few months

@@theresasanchez-ramsey6940 oh

@@theresasanchez-ramsey6940 ty!

@@MargauxNeedler no problem just a tragedy

@Tiny Princess He loved her and JJ as his own, he provided for all of them and kept order in the family. Unfortunately WITHOUT ORDER, THERE’S CHAOS!

🤔 huh 🤔???? So murder is the way forward?

Taxpayers are paying for a royal mess. ALL police systems in the nation need to be privatized - a voluntary charitable system of payment - this way taxpayers are not paying to be neglected, beaten, beaten to death, or needlessly shot, not to mention all the bogus traffic tickets. You can bet if you take the police services off the taxpayer welfare system - they would have to work in a way to serve - and a lot of the bully factor and badass attitudes would soon go away. They should thoroughly investigate any threat to kill anyone.

Pretty much.

I don’t believe he did.

@@tinab6607 really, hrs was shot and killed trying to pick up JJ

They have a lot of women like that.

I wonder what she did with all that money?

Heart breaking, gosh he just seems like such a sweet soul. I hate how this officer treated/talked to him. As if he was annoyed.

Broke my heart. 😭

Susanne Perrin there are a lot of men like that also

The Cop in my opinion was an asshole. I hope he feels guilty for what happened

He has internalized society's misandry.

Sadly this is all I've ever experienced from law enforcement.... He could have done something in this situation... He chose not to. Bet if that was his brother or a family member he would have found a reason to help him. Instead they use every legal loophole they can concoct to not do their job because they are lazy and judmental and jaded. They would rather believe that the parent asking for help is just some crazy vindictive angry ex.... Which im sure at times is the case.... But because this officer chose to go that route instead of believe charles... He's dead.... And two children are missing.

I learned along time ago that the law protects the criminals and the victims mean nothing. Sad reality.

The only time Dads matter to the system is when they don't show up. Charles showed up and they ignored him.

And now dead ..it's horrible.

That happened to me as a victim of domestic violence, I was positive I was going to be killed and I can say that I made it out alive with my two children by not involving police and learning to play mind games back. It took 12 years to escape.

Cops don't care frankly. Maybe he'd still be here if the police had listened an took his fear seriously...!

We are judging this by hindsight. Officers deal with crazy people all of the time. When dealing with marital issues you have to be extremely careful because you can get dragged into court. And most cases it’s not so clear cut. Plus, it’s so very difficult to get an unwilling person out into in patient treatment. The officer is asking the right questions. If she has made threats to him, her and/or the children. He is trying to help but he has to do it legally

@@roninkraut6873 .....so you're okay with the fact that NO FOLLOW UP took place? He could have followed up and because he is an officer, it would have been his legal responsibility to do so.....

Typical Cops are the problem

Heartbreaking 💔

Malibu Dolphin some not all. Some are actually out there trying their best and getting burnt out because of it. But at least they’re trying everything they can.

CV family should sue the Chandler PD for wrongful death!🥵 This man CV was waving a red flag !!!

CheezeFace I hope the family sues the crap out of this police department!

Yes, and now they're all gone. Simply tragic 💔

OMG. Poor dear man.

So now we hear proof from a dead man that she said she would kill him -Surely now she can be charged with murder.?

Heartbreaking 💔💔💔

I feel the system failed this family. Not that I have the answers of how the system could have helped cause I'm not sure but this is heartbreaking 💔 He sounds like a well rounded guy. Those poor babies!

Cops need lessons on narcissists and the manipulation they use...

So sad .. i bet they beating themselves up about it though they seem decent:.. can i ask what the odd click sound is ??

Hindsight is 20:20

No kidding..she litterally said exactlly what she was going to do before and killed off all but no chin.

@@lauradin2040 the sound is the Axon Flex body camera indicating it is still engaged and recording. It is a tone purposely made to alert the user the camera is on and recording.

She wasn't "out" of her mind...she had changed her mind set! She convinced herself that she could do better than Charles, especially since Chad had made her a " goddess" and she could do anything now and it would be looked over or accepted! So she decided she would get rid of everybody that she considered a drag and just have a free and fun-loving life untill the world ended in July! Sheesh...what a demon that woman is! And Chad too for killing his wife just so he could marry and be with his little "goddess". If I were one of his kids, I would totally disown the bastard!

This all seems planned. She groomed him to believe she had mental issues. I believe there are many in this plot and it was a premeditated cover up to set up his death, Chads wife and the kids.

I agree.

C Ellison - My thoughts exactly.

Right. If Lori says “I can kill you because you aren’t Charles” Maybe she thinks her kids can be killed because they aren’t who they originally were or will have another life or something. She’s so disillusioned and hardened it’s scary.

He probably sleeps like a baby. Cops aren't by default the caring heroes we are brainwashed to think.

It’s unreal. This is what happens when you do things by the book in juvenile/family courts. You get F*CKED.

AGREE Taxpayers are paying for a royal mess. ALL police systems in the nation need to be privatized - a voluntary charitable system of payment - this way taxpayers are not paying to be neglected, beaten, beaten to death, or needlessly shot, not to mention all the bogus traffic tickets. You can bet if you take the police services off the taxpayer welfare system - they would have to work in a way to serve - and a lot of the bully factor and badass attitudes would soon go away. They should thoroughly investigate any threat to kill anyone.

This man had everything stripped away from him....then even his life

He has 4 older kids, zac and three in college

I personally hear in his voice ,his concern for his children, his safety, his X wife's rantings and Strange behaviour, he comes across as a gentle person 🤔😩

😭

I know its so sad. I know dang well if it was switched it'd be taken serious.

Brenda they have messed with people and done more with less.Look at the news they do it every day.

If only he had it in him to fib a little and say she threatened to kill the kids... but at least Charles gets to rest in peace!

They did everything they possibly could have done.

Reading all the messages. I agree with this statement. He should of left her along time ago..

Right!? Like her just saying that screamed psychopath.

Exactly

Yes This man is needing help and they treat him like this and now he is dead.

Exactly!! They just don't want to miss the hot donuts and coffee. Protect and serve didn't happen for this man!! Worthless cops!!

Right! Like, does being out of touch with reality pose a threat to the kids? Or saying she didn't care what happens to them?

Yes

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Unfortunately, police tend to side with the woman in the majority of family disturbance matters. My ex-wife had the police come to our home after an argument & the entire time they kept trying to convince her that she could admit that she was in fear of her life. It was not a violent altercation just a loud argument. She told the officers she felt safe but they kept pressing her to say otherwise & that they would take care of it. They ended up leaving without further escalation. Fast forward a few months, I called police telling them she threatened me with a pair of scissors & they said it was my word against hers; nothing was done. We got divorced & the courts were just as bad. Ten years later & I’m STILL paying alimony!!

@@chino7287 The police use the this is a civil issue not a criminal issue until harm has happened to one or the other parties. This is a huge issue.

@@margolockwood9323 In my case, I believe they were attempting to fabricate it into a criminal issue. They tried their hardest to convince her to change her story. After they left my ex admitted that they were trying to get me & that I should be thanking her for not lying.

Melody Sill yeah, speaks volumes of his character. She stole over $30k, his clothes, his gun and his truck(allegedly lol). Most people would be down the station pressing charges, he is more concerned about the welfare of the kids and would rather her be committed and get psychological help.

I thought JJ was his...

JJ is his. The were married like 13 years. JJ just turned 8.

Pri Marcus JJ is his biological great nephew. Charles and Lori adopted him.

JJ is Charles' biological son

Then when Alex murdered him the police was like oh ok it was in self defense. No investigation that I heard of? What I didn't understand is if Alex could get away from Charles to go to the his bedroom to get his gun why didn't Alex just leave the home, call the police for help? The lack of any kind of investigation into that matter is like there's cops on someones payroll.

Its heartbreaking. I notice he is actually Very quiet,calm. She took his $$$$ truck. Emptied the bank account. Has threatened to kill him.

I know if someone took my truck and cleaned out 35000$ from my bank account and took everything from the house I wouldn’t be that calm. He did everything he could to get help and help his children to only end up being killed and now the children missing. The system failed him and them kids!!

I’ve been in these shoes trying to get a family member help for mental illness. It’s a bunch of crock. He’s got an order to have her evaluated and they don’t have any concern to put a bolo for her. All the stories I could tell, however it would take too much space here. My heart breaks it just reminds me of how this feels to try to get help for someone you love. Rest in peace sir

They could have done their jobs, but didn't chose to care about the safety of his children. This is what his tax money got him. Missing children and then murdered!! I blame them police!!

If only there was some way you could report people like Lori who was exhibiting schizophrenia at this stage. So they could be removed from society forcibly for treatment or permanently. Instead, as no crime had been committed YET that was the end of that.

@Rhonda Bothelio the cops did everything the law allows them to. They definitely believed him and thats why they broke into the house when they didn't have to. Their hands were tied by a legal system that favors mothers no matter what. Dont blame the cops for it. Blame our legal system that has done this for years while fathers and children suffer.

Your spot on, Danielle

And his children, breaks my heart

Almost 6. They tried to kill Brandon, her nephew in a drive-by driving this man's truck after he was dead. "Still under investigation"...

@Mamzelle S She definitely has, he was deceased for a week and they did not do an autopsy. Then she did not inform his family he was dead. They found out through another source. Her firstborn said he was abusing him, but all that is questionable in my mind, she probably convinced him he was...the daughter that was murdered, that was her father.

Sam Watson exactly

Cops don't care. He does not care I'm sure.

@@donnabiles6913 I really don't think so. He sounds pretty uncaring.

He knew and asked for help! However, police did nothing!

This is how narcissistic abusers work. They are very good liars and will turn everything around to say you are the bad guy, while they play God with your life.

Charles wasn’t the only one who knew what was going on... Chad knew and Melanie Gibb knew and I wouldn’t be surprised if Lori’s niece, Melanie knew as well.

Ian Walton I was just going to say this. Lori went to the police earlier in the day to tell this exact scenario.

Her adult son said he really liked him.

Even Lori's loser family freely admits he was such a great guy, then Summer and Janice and Melani go on to say that Charles was cheating and suddenly a danger to Lori and the kids. Lies. This guy didn't cheat on his wife, he loved her to death - literally. What I think happened is Lori told her family that Charles cheated just so she could justify doing these terrible things to him. That's why Zach, the nephew isn't answering his phone, he was told Charles was cheating and he didn't want to be part of that mess. I genuinely believe Tylee sided with her mother in this mess because she also believed her mother's lies about Charles cheating. She was duped and so was Lori's family. That said, why would any of Lori's family believe Lori, the person who has been married 5 times, over Charles. Clearly Lori is off her rocker. Watching how she acts in court and while she was vacationing in Hawaii and right after Charles was murdered, it is clear she is 'off'. She is not okay and anyone who is supporting her is either an accomplice in her crimes or a paintchip eating moron.

This needs to be played in her trial

I agree!

Name one more thing the police officers could have done. They don’t know where she went. They reported a stolen license plate. They cleared the house. And they filed a report. With the little evidence there was nothing else could have been done.

@@calebwalser3710 oh look at the boot licker with the blue lives matter flag.

@@calebwalser3710 Caleb you're clueless.

@@calebwalser3710 he failed the kids too.

@Lisa Young exactly

"Your using LDS terms. I know that. And I don't know about that" wow. They did not know what they were walking into when they kicked in that door.

Leanne Herda huh??? I’m not LDS by any means. It’s a cult.

It's super disappointing to realize that most officers these days have a I'm better than you attitude and act like they always have something else better to do

They all talk like this. When my mom died under suspicious circumstances and the cop doing the investigation called me he asked me a question and I said what’s that got to do with anything, so he’s quiet for a few seconds and I start to ask him a question, he told me to shut up and listen to him. Which I did but then I gave him my two cents! I asked for a different investigator!

Sometimes cops have the attitude and basically hating his job and hating the people he serves. He sounds like an abusive person.

It will be.

Wonder what the idiot cop thinks now

Candace Gutherie honesty I just found out that hairdressers train more than cops and I think it shows HEAVILY

Rianne West and have a license and cops do not.

Guess the cop knows now doesn’t he???

Well now we know.

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I know it is so sad.. it’s almost like they don’t believe what he is saying.. I wonder how those officers feel now??

yes! and the dumb officer says "how does she pose a threat to your children?" uh....HELLO everything he just said about her crazy ass!

@@kellyp1367 💯👍

If this was a woman they would have taken this as a serious threat. I feel the cops totally let Charles down. Coinsidece?? Took the truck, took all the money, took the children, took his safe home. But yet the cops seem to be comfortable spouting off laws like they think they actually know the laws. They should have helped him. Now he is DEAD kids are still missing brother dead the lust keeps getting longer by the day. They should have helped him.

Sadly, the officers are likely having no problems sleeping 😥

Yes and the children

Typical cop

Every time there's an obvious red flag he tries to change the subject and brush it off. Just awful. "well she's not trying to murder you physically.. Just spiritually right?" 🤦🏻

whats worse, the very next morning, Lori, the daughter who was later killed and her best friend, the psycho Melanie Gibb, went to the police station to file a complaint against the husband for taking her purse!!. All of this is on video as well. The cops fell in love with Lori, and believed everything she said. They then called him, and he had that order to have her put away at a hospital for 48 hours. He said he was coming to the station with her purse that he took from her , trying to get his truck back. The cops then went back in to talk to Lori and told her about the order and told her that if she were to leave the station while the order was being looked at by the Seargant , then they couldnt stop her and she could avoid having the order served on her!!! The basically conspired so the order to put her in a hospital for 48 hours could not be served! Violating , god know, how many laws! .. Unbelievable police department. Sherriff and all detectives should be fired!

Hes trash .. this is why people get killed .. they blame lds.. which is evil as hell anyway he should of believed him

The way the police have handled this whole case mak s one want to weep. The opportunities to save people's lives, especially those children, were missed time and again. This is not policing - it's outrageous - no investigation whatsoever.

What domestic violence crime was committed also she was going crazy for a whole month and he didn’t call until all crap hit the fan. He said she threatened him in the past but he didn’t call 911 to report it

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Agreed!! Or shelters for men and their children!

@@kxn5163 any threats of bodily harm can be considered DV. In the US there is an unfortunate amount of expectation of males to man up and handle their own business.

I had troopers tell me it's not illegal for a man to "discipline his own children".AFTER he was ranting to a 911 dispatcher that we (wife and 3 children) were stealing his money and rum. Too many laws protect the WRONG people.

Somebody high up is involved cuz that murder was sooooo NOT self defence!?! How did thst happen??? It breaks my heart that the only good, sane parent among them all had to die. 😥

This is the approach that law enforcement usually take. It’s absolutely maddening. They wont take action until someone gets hurt, and by that point, it’s too late.

And this cops condescending tone, "I'm not LDS, you're using LDS terms" what a jerk

It’s Chandler, Arizona. These cops deal mostly with gangs, drugs and domestic abuse, not a crazy murdering cult mom about to leave a string of bodies and missings in her wake.

Its horrific!

Agree

He never came at him with a bat Lori vallow brainwashed her poor brother then the brother realized it and killed himself

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@@bennyb8068 Don’t call him a poor brother. He’s a murderer and did those things willfully. He’s hardly a victim.

@@bennyb8068 Allegedly “killed him self!” 😬

Agree

They made that up I believe. Lori asked her brother to come over the night before & she told him Charles is a zombie & she was afraid of him. Alex believed the same stuff. Melanie her friend has a 2 part interview out & she was close to Lori. Then I guess Charles came over & Alex (who was protective of his sister per Melanie) killed him.

I can see how that isn't direct enough to count as a death threat. That could easily be someone threatening to ruin a career or a reputation. People even use it to mean they will win at something against another person.

And she kept her word,so sad and her children too.

OMG Right?? Listen to these cops?? WOW... SHAME ON THEM! They let her get away with murders:(((

Strange, all these comments and I received no notifications until the seventh comment. Go KZfaq!

@@desertskies3542 They didn't let her do anything. WOW They acted on what they knew there and as they explained very well they are not allowed to do more whitout a judge allowing them to. I do understand that people need to blame someone. These police officers did what they could and they are not to blame.

Yes.

A genuinely great person with a heart of gold! A better person could not have been murdered. May you Rest In Peace!

SO SO SAD THIS GOOD MAN GOT SHOT BY LORI'S BROTHER; I bet these cops wish they would've done something more.

I agree

Ian it’s so unbelievable and revealing...the fact they asked him to kick in his own door broke my heart...and they just watched him deteriorate in front of them our police are to protect and serve.. they did neither. 🙏✌️❤️🇨🇦

Seriously asking- What do you think the police should have done? It seemed like they were bound to a set of rules or laws. Could they have issued an apb in search of her and the kids?

Cindy Hayslette he should have said yes she threatened to kill me and the kids -then maybe he would still be alive and the kids found! So much for truth, honesty, law abiding and decency. He did and said all the right things to the cops to no avail. Everyone’s hands are tied and crazy bitch is in jail laughing at the system. She knew what she was doing. She took his rights away. Joint account etc. damn she wiped out the mans payroll took his truck kids dog locked him out of the house with no clothes. And $7! He sounded like he was in tears when he mentioned JJ. That part was upsetting. And watching him being beat down in the process. Sad.

Until you live or deal with a cop daily you’ll never know how weird and suck in the head cops are it’s a dirty job

Aoife , I am not a cop hater. I support law enforcement. I have blue lives matters support decal in my car. I have several friends that are LE. But this cop was a jerk.

@@kimnicks8590 When? he did his job. And don''t you think these officers feel bad enough?

@@kimnicks8590 You are ok Kim....cop is a jerk.

I think they are talking down to Charles. How do they feel now???

No he wasn’t you snowflake.

Not won't, Can't

Dealt with hundreds of cases like this. If there is any history of psychosis, police should recognise. Application for involuntary admission.