In fact it's quite simple. Molag is Prince of Domination, while Boe is Prince of Rebel. They are representing opposing concepts, so they must be rivals.

Bolethia is basically the Daedric Prince of Meritocracy. Everybody must EARN their place in the world. I however personally think that those who worship it should also worship Merida so as to have a more balanced mindset of how to deal with others, as Bothela's obsession with betrayal supposedly being an aspect of meritocracies, which it most certainly is not, needs to be balanced out by a fair bit.

I always wondered what Molag Bal's idea of submitting is. If someone worships him and does everything he says submitting? Is it circumstantial to the person he wants to submit?

Well, Merid-Nudna isn't the best source of balance in field of dealing with others. She thrusted city of her followers into Realm of Molag Bal, because it will gave her tactical advantage in the future. For her the ends justify the means.

@@freddiemight2432 oh yeah, she is a social Darwinist at her core. I'm pretty sure if those souls she damned were to somehow survive she'd praise them. Possibly. It's hard to know with Daedra. After all, Molag Bal praises you in ES Online when you beat him. Soooo... Their characters remain mysterious and unpredictable

"Sink or swim kids, I ain't no helicopter papa."

My dad's brother did that to him at a pool when his parents weren't looking.

Boethiah: The only difference between you and me mortal, is that I succeeded, were you failed.

Well, it's also a good detail because treachery comes from either sex. As well as that desire for survival

Mephala I think does it too.

@@jeffreyaguilar8028 actually, mephala is a hermaphrodite, both genders at once, because it is crucial to her sphere.

@@jeffreyaguilar8028 Yeah, Mephala is the anticipation of Vivek after all. I think they appear as either male or female based on whichever makes it easier to manipulate the person to whom they appear.

@@jeffreyaguilar8028 @matthewdonnell6906 Actually all but one of the titles of Mephala uses always terms like "Princess", "Queen", "Lady" etc... and in nearly all images and statues she is always a female (well... or a spider... or a mix of the two, but you get it). The only times this doesn't happen is a single title of her, "Androgyne Daedra", and in particular what we could find in a couples of specific in-game book in Morrowind and Skyrim, like "Varieties of Faith..." and "Invocation of Azura". For what i've read in-game and outside about the Lore, i would say that Boethia switch from female to male, so we could say (using modern real life terms) that he/she is "gender fluid", and Mephala is a female but with elements of her aspect also close to males (at least the non-spider parts), so she is indeed an androgyne female, as her titles above says... using real life VIP, Boethia is like Erza Miller, Nico Tortorella or Asia Kate Dillon, Mephala is like Grace Jones or Tilda Swidon

sounds like someone who would comment on a "How do I beat this Dark Souls boss?" topic.... Unbeknownst to us, we're all under Boethiah's influence :O

@@jabberSERKER Yeah, I'm Ok With That

Is Fromsoftware really just Earth's Cult of Boethia? Food for thought...

"Take this knife and kill that giant. Go for the shins" ~M

Milk drinker...

"They"- Am I a joke to you

Yeah im no feminist but i do like the snake lady incarnation she manifests as. Cant ever tell her no...

@@dmitritelvanni4068 wouldn't want to be mistaken as a feminist for *checks notes* liking a female character.

Considering their sphere of Oblivion, it makes sense. Deception in its finest.

@gabe itches You must not have played Oblivion

Some Sith shit

There is no passion, there is virtue There is no chaos, only order prevails.There is no emotion, there is peace. I am the heart of Light, I shall fear no evil. The Lord of Hosts shall set me free. There is no death, there is only eternity!.

@@revanvonheaven8270 sounds like star wars. Sith

@@I_Just_Like_Neat_Stuff some skyrim shit

What's mine is mine and mine and mine. And mine and mine and mine! Not yours!" -Larfleeze- Orange Lantern Corps

JM what?

Makarosc 666 Boethiah is the "get good" god.

YES!

More like the ultimate soccer coach

The Daedric prince of Soulsborne.

It's a mod. 🙂 Without it, Azura's statue is invisible at a distance.

@@Aethuviel I don't think so, It's most likely increased draw distance

@@motivateddad Either way, you can't see it in vanilla. I have a mod to be able to see it.

That just proves that's an asshat though.

So basically a dark souls player? Sound bout right.

Miguel Angel Rangel such wisdom/s

Is that a cobra kai reference?

Boethiah is the Nameless King in disguise

Second rule of Boethiah Cult: *Don't cry in Boethiah Cult.*

If this is the 1st time you join, you have to kill

SylentEulogy I really hope they make the morag tong a joinable faction in the next game

Morag Tong that would be so good. There is a morag tong storyline in ESO and it is so good.

Nice

#DarkBrotherhoodForever

Antonio Lucio Vivaldi that is just radiant quests randomly generated boring

Jordan S Yea, back in Oblivion he saved a bunch of slaves. And his statues always look buff.

Xander C. Swoll AF Malacath, is actually the prince of gains, and the sworn leg day compliance.

Xander C. Also Boethiah would get along with schemers like Tywin, Littlefinger, Walder Frey, and Roose Bolton. Malacath will get along with Stannis and his daughter because they are outcast.

Azura allying with Molag bal was retconed. Azura being allies with bal is from daggerfall which was retconed. In daggerfall Meridia was the daedric prince of greed and the other daedra had no redeeming qualities, they were essentially demons.

Boethiah doesn't ask for her champions' trust. He/she only asks of them to be the very best (like no one ever was). If someone bests them, then tough shit. They were never worthy in the first place.

Jigalagg ?

@@meandmetoo8436 i consider my player to be a worshipper or jyglag lol

Ivan the first part was still fucked up... even if I just threw my ex in there

In your perspective it's evil

Not necessarily your friend. Many players will seek out a new, low-value follower for the sole purpose of sacrifice.

Daedric Prince of Dark Souls

The most epic possible thing that could happen in a TES and Dark Souls crossover would be for Boethiah to laugh before you cut of Boethiah's head.

rampager gamer Well I mean technically Daedric Prince's can't be evil since they kind of have to do things that represent them. For instance Dagon had to try to destroy Cyrodiil because it's in his nature to bring destruction and change. Molag Bal tried to enslave all of Tamriel because it's in his nature. Daedra have to follow their moral compass rather they want to or not.

CFP Snipe Where are you getting that "they kind of have to do things that represent them?" Talk about what a aedra/daedra represent seem to be more like titles that mortals give to them. They each just take an interest in different things. They have a will and exert it.

Theo_Caro They aren't just titles, everything the aedra and daedra do is written in stone that they must do it. They aren't titles because daedra and aedra have been around before mortals.

The aedra didn't really agree to it, though, they got tricked into creating mundus. They are probably "good guys", though, because they are literally part of mundus. Them destroying mundus would be like you cutting your own finger off. That's why the aedra are the "good guys"

rampager gamer Dagon is about change and destruction witch isnt always a negative force.

Kailey Barrett Wasn't that because he became lazy and stopped following her ideals?

The dude was a bandit and didnt do shit.Killing him was a mercy.

He became weak. The strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must

Because he was a weakling whose sum of ambition was to rule over a petty little kingdom of marauders.

Kailey Barrett Deadric princes are utterly alien to us mortals. They’re divine beings who didn’t take part in creation. They aren’t limited by arrogant mortal notions of morality. They have their own moral values. They’re neither good nor evil. Is a volcano evil? Is revolution evil? Is destruction evil?

Just cause Boethiah doesn't care about what is good and what is evil, doesn't mean that the moral law doesn't apply to Boathiah. "Might makes right" is really just nihilism.

The sabre cat kills the deer because it is hungry.

@@Theo_Caro Might Makes Right is the only true law

@@Vilverna thank you, finally someone gets it.

@@Theo_Caro There is no moral law. What objectifies what's right and what's wrong? The tide rolls in, the tide rolls out. All that is, just is. It's not good or bad, it just is.

wow

Meanwhile, Sheogorath is over here sticking his boogers to the walls of Oblivion.

@@fuzzydunlop7928 that sadly makes perfect since for how the cursed staff in Morrowwind came to be

@@fuzzydunlop7928 Sheogorath giggling about mad shit in the corner, Sanguine drunk trying To cuddle barbas, Mora face palms, knowing what happens next despite not having a face nor palms, Boethia pitting some mortals to fight like mortals would pit dogs or wolves against each other in a skooma den, Hircine chasing some rabbits, Clavicus and Vaemina betting on challengers in Boethia's mortal fights, Mehrunes and Molag lstening to the screams of mortals like a mortal would Listen to sweet music, Merida walking away trying To ignore the atrocities that are happening in oblivion, the others just messing with their champions or some other mortals for fun

Matthew Chirino but if the things the prince represents are evil then the prince is evil as well, isn't he?

LUKA by mortal standards. Do you think fire is evil because it burns? They aren't capable of being anything more then there aspects. Dagon must destroy, sheogorath must be mad. They have no choice in it, and is it really evil if you don't have a choice to be good?

LUKA The actions of a daedra and the reasons as to why cannot be fully comprehended by mortals, hence daedra do not fall into the mortal standards of 'Good' or 'Evil'. This also applies to aedra. E.g. Boethiah has caused what some say 'Evil' actions to occur, but she also helped the dunmer learn how to be shrewd etc. An example of an aedra, e.g. Arkay, arkay does plenty of good, but what about when he litteraly abandoned one of his most dedicated worshipers after Molag Bal raped her and turned her into a vampire? Some could consider that 'evil'. As with everything it's about perspective, to a daedra launching an invasion they are doing what they must, as it is in their nature to do so, but to the victims of the invasion it would be considered evil due to all the death etc.

Id say each of them has a certain alignment, and the DND alignments fit well. Mehrunes Dagon is Chaotic Evil, Sheogorath is CN, ETC. I think Boethiah would fall under Lawful Evil. That is almost the exact alignment drew described in the video. Helping mortals who crave power and will do anything to get it because they dont have much time, while unwavering slaughtering those who show weakness.

Its almost kinda sad, maybe they even want to help in their own way but because of how they were born they can't "the daedra, who were born from the blood of Padomay, and thus are only evil." The Annotated Anuad.

There are no gods, everyone was a god before The Convention!

Ungreatful Duck semantics.

name Welcome to our fucked up family.

name *ONE OF US*

H R ok i am glad to be a part of the family but pls do not kidnap me or perform a ritual on me just be my friend not enemy

Darth Fenrir489 I know that's why I came

Indeed

Reece Michelle yes.

Sludge Nugget

Pudge Fuppet

EudgF TuppeM

Y'all stop that shit!

IC23 both are accepted

Chimer is based on the word Chimera, which is pronounced with a "k" sound. This is further supported by the fact that the Chimaera is a three-headed monster from Greek mythology, mirroring the theme of threes pervading the Dunmer culture and Morrowind game (the Tribunal, the three founding Daedra, the three Great Houses you can join, and the fact that it takes place in the Third Era). If you see it as relating to the word "chime" and prefer to hear it that way, there's no harm in that. If you were wondering why the other pronunciation is the canon version, though, there you have it.

Arwir Thank you fellow scholar, I fully agree with your _Deep Lore_

IC23 Khai-Mer

Chi-mer: from Aldmeris language, changed folk. CHIM: Ehlnofex syllable of royalty. And while Aldmeris comes from old Ehlnofex etymologically, the two words, chi and CHIM, are distinct. ...you fetcher :)

Unless he tried to outsmart Clavicus Vile instead...

She literally ate Trinimac, an aedric god and crapped him out as Malacath. Even if she was mortal she would still wipe the floor with any mortal who challenges her.

I could, the dragonborn is easily the most powerful force on tamriel right now. Even if I couldn't the first time I can go into the cheat room, mod a few things and take her out that way. hell, you can even kill mehrunes dagon when he shows up at the end of oblivion with the right mods...I think he has like 12 million hit points once you make him killable, and he's too damn big to target you at that point anyway. all it takes is time.

Dragonborn < Dat Frost Troll on the way to High Hrothgar In lore there are no mods nor cheat room. And you might have a fk ton of armor, max spell absorbtion, but a powerful daedric prince like Boethiah could easily use something like Disarm, Silence, Stasis/Paralysis etc... So there's no fkin way.You just can't fk around with demigods.

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. First off, lore wise the dragonborn is a demigod. that's why he's the only one that can beat alduin (saying he's weaker than a frost troll just makes you sound retarded). 2nd off, if she's mortal and only using abilities found in game I can beat her, end of story.

@@proximityclockworkx1572 how do i relate to something like Dragonborn < dat frost troll of high hrothgar ??? So many dohvakiins hace dued by the claws of that frosty shit...

Cheerybelle I highly agree with your statement

Boethia doesn't support violence for violence's sake. Boethia supports violence to prove strength. similar to the view of orcs in a sense. not as violence for the sake of evil and destruction like most daedra

I love the insight of this comment.

I think it's more in line with anarchism. Fascism sounds more like Molag Bal. I'd also say that good and evil are mortal conceptions that hold no meaning to the daedra, especially princes.

This is an amazing example. Well said. And I would add that while it would be foolish to call the wind evil and even more not to recognize its dangers... it still can be to one´s benefit to realize there are ways in which the wind can be useful. Thus, Dunmer and their relationship with the Anticipations(reclamations) and even their respect for the House of Troubles as trials to be overcome.

Name a time those were used for good? The original 13 Colonies vs The British Government in the Revolutionary War Haitian slaves vs the French during the Haitian Slave rebellions the Maroons vs the British Government during the Jamaican Slave rebellions the French peasantry vs the French monarchs during the French Revolution Student Revolutionary Directorate vs the Batista's corrupt Republic of Cuba during the Cuban Revolution You can go on and on to infinity. Plots to murder, assassination, treason, and unlawful overthrow of authority are all tools just like a gun. Just because something is "Lawful" doesn't make it just.

I was gonna say the same thing. It's good if they are overthrowing tyrants. Heck, it's one of the only ways to overthrow a tyrant

Chaotic good doesn't care about laws, they do what they feel is correct for the greater good, even if it's viewed as immoral by greater society. Their intentions are usually pure regardless of what society thinks.

The Anuad is an oversimplified fairy tale for Elven children.

ok, everyone else, you've changed my mind, but Osip, the Anuad is for anyone not just children, there is a simplified version of it called a children's anuad tho. But just as often as not these actions are used for evil

Were they conquered by the first empire of the Nords? Yes. And that same empire also took over a great deal of Dwemer cities for a time as well, but it wasn't forever. Even then the argument can be made that both groups were weakened at the time due to fighting each other and with internal fighting, hence why it was possible, but also at the time the Tongues were still a massive part of the Nord armies, which the Dwemer and Chimer just had no means of counteracting. Talos did not conquer Morrowind, and in fact dreaded the idea of it. Vivec willingly came to the negotiating table first and through the Armistice, gained an immense amount of clout and freedom for Morrowind and the Dunmer under the Septim Dynasty. After the death of Uriel VII, four things happened that left Morrowind in the 'deplorable state' it is in now. 1. The Oblivion Crisis. Everyone sans the Argonians were hit hard by this. This wasn't any fault of the Dunmer as a species since everybody got hit by this, and Mehrunes Dagon is one of the Four Corners of the House of Troubles 2. Baar Dau (originally sent by Sheogorath, another member of the House of Troubles) falling on Vivec (the city). With the vanishing of Vivec (the god), the moon of Baar Dau finished it's descent and landed on Vivec (the city) destroying it and causing... 3. Red Mountain erupting. Kinda explains itself 4. The Argonian invasion of Morrowind. This one is the one most arguably the fault of the Dunmer and that they were 'deserving of it', as it were. Due to enslaving Argonians for centuries, seeing the weakness of the Dunmer the Argonians invaded to reclaim land and simply pay back the Dunmer for everything they'd done. Which is, honestly, a very Boethiah-thing to do: Strike an enemy when they're down and take what they have. On the Altmer and Summerset, as you said, Talos used Numidium he had gotten from the Tribunal to conquer the Second Aldmeri Dominion. Instead of using his legions, he had a weapon of unparalled might, and utterly decimated them effortlessly because of it. Handing over the Numidium IMO is also a thing Boethiah would approve of as well, for such a pragmatic move. It prevented the unneeded slaughter of good, strong Dunmer. There was also a personal enjoyment knowing that the powerful tool of the long-gone Dwemer was used to crush the Altmer under it's heal. In short, it left the Dunmer strong, and their enemy (the Altmer in this case) weakened.

I remind you that the nords were also worn out by the war of extermination they had with the snow elves, just as with their war of conquest against several nations; not only fought against the Dunmer and Dwemer. And it is the point. According to FudgeMuppet's argument, Boethiah and in any case, Mephala and Azura, watched over the Dunmer, even telling them that the Altmers were weak. Then they should have given them more power with which they could destroy or at least defend themselves from the nords, but that never happened. And the thu'um, although it is powerful, is just another style of magic, and not anybody used it, so it's not like it was something that made the nords invincible. And even so, the Dunmers were conquered, even fighting in their native land, which gives them an advantage when they know the terrain. And that's the point, they had to accept the terms of Talos, something that for example, the "weak" of the Altmer never accepted until they were conquered by the Numidium. Which shows that in terms of power, the Altmers were stronger. That is why I said that the Dunmers were conquered by Talos. Therefore, the argument of FudgeMuppet is not sustained. About your points of the Morrowind state: 1.- The first one is not useful, because as you say, every province of Tamriel suffered the invasion, so it is not an excuse since other provinces also suffered it and were not so affected. 2.- This was the fault of Vivec himself, because instead of destroying Baar Dau, he left it there as a sign of his power. And it also shows the little power of the Dunmers, because without Vivec, they were not able to get rid of such a rock until it fell. Where is that great supposed power? On the contrary, those of the Psijic Order are able to disappear their island at will, without counting other types of powers such as stopping time. 3.- This point is acceptable, but it is not like any other province does not suffer from similar problems, such as Winterhold. 4.- That is another point that refutes the argument of FudgeMuppet. The Argonians, who were just slaves for the Dunmers, and were considered a "weak" race, and much less skilled in the development of weapons and magic, managed to conquer much of Morrowind, and even almost exterminated the "great magicians" of the House Telvanni. Not to mention, again, that the Dunmers had a great advantage because they were in their province and they know the terrain. That only shows the great weakness of the Dunmer, something bequeathed by Boethiah himself, because his entire culture is based on conspiracy and treason, which generates great and powerful subjects, but when it comes to fighting against others, they are extremely weakened by their own internal fights that end up giving them a beating, in the same way they were given by the nords in their first empire. This type of problems to organize can be seen in the text: On Morrowind, where it just shows how the Great Houses can not adequately plan the defense of their home. Even The Lord High Councilor of the Grand Council was killed for not accepting the peace agreement. So FudgeMuppet argument does not hold up. The Dunmers, thanks to the teachings of the Dedra, especially Boethiah, have a culture that only causes their own self-destruction. And it leaves them weak before the other races, on the contrary, the Altmer maintain a more stable and powerful society. For which I repeat, Trinimac was right, and the Dunmer exodus only weakened the mer, especially Dunmer himself. Boethiah only honors his conspiracy and treason features: and plays with the Dunmers. And only as extra data to end up showing how their culture affects them. You can see the case that is given in Windhelm, because although there is discrimination against the mer in general, Niranye has managed to prosper his business, and about the dunmer he says this: "It was difficult at first. The Nords of this city are, at best, suspicious of outsiders. But in time, I made the right friends and proved myself useful enough that they don't give me trouble anymore. The dark elves are too proud and naive to understand the way things truly are, and so they continue to dwell in that slum." That just shows how their culture stops them and makes them weaker in the end, which gives Niranye a better position.

Boethiah ended them because they were weak and unworthy

No, Boethiah killed them because they did not guess what he wanted. It is a fallacy of non sequitur what you say, does not logically follow that by not knowing what a person thinks, or in this case, a Daedra, it means that you are weak. The only logical conclusion of not knowing what someone thinks is that you are not omniscient. You can even check the book: Invocation of Azura, where the author states that Boethiah does not care about his followers, he only cares about blood. Even in the book: Boethiah's Glory, it is stipulated that you are nothing but dust for Boethiah.

If you do not know what your God expects from you, then how can you even be considered worthy?

It's been confirmed by the creators themselves.

Marvelous Chester You’re in the wrong neighborhood there bud.

Thank you!!! Not sure why folks are still trying push that it's not.

Proximus are you mental? The creators of the game and BGS have both confirmed multiple times that ESO is canon. There are several statements from ZOS and BGS specifically naming ESO as part of canon lore along with TES Legends. Please, your stupid is showing.

8:35 to the people that don't know what I'm talking about.

I bet you're a competitive person.

My favourite is either Barabas or Sanguine

@@animatorblueberrysans7896 Also very cool.

Lol, i spelt barbas wrong, oops, *barbas

@@animatorblueberrysans7896 No, I got it. Really didn't like his voice actor though. Not sure why.