well ya didnt really conclude your story lol. what did the supervisor do? did he just yell out to everyone in the airport WE FOUND A FUCKIN BOMB! or what lol.

@@trope5105 lol, the conclusion isn't that important because OP has conveyed the point of the story lol, but I guess you're curious lol

@@trope5105 Cant wait to see how long the person gets in jail better get sectioned!

@@danquaylesitsspeltpotatoe8307 maybe its late, but i cant quite comprehend that sentence

@@trope5105 Jail tmmr could be a very long time, mental evaluation he could be cured and out a lot sooner.

Did they find the guy who sent that message?

It should result in consequences but, since nothing really awful happened, not the sort that petty vengeful primitives would advocate.

@@Sonny_McMacsson They can pay for damages: fuel, mechanics, cost of rescheduling the flight, missed connections, and so on. It doesn't get any fairer than that.

One guy who tried false bomb threat got sentenced. He faced not only financial penalty, temporary jail but after being released on bail also a trial.

@@kaasmeester5903 Exactly what I was going to say. "Yeah, not really a funny joke mate, here is your $125,000 bill for it"

I think Kelsy was the one getting stressed and talking faster....

@@dotcom2528 Kelsy doesn't get stressed he's cool as a cucumber.

Question, I am not a pilot, but why after 9/11 don't we have a code or daily code as far as commercial aircraft are concerned. A challenge code the ATC controller can use to verify it's the Captain or crew speaking. At least on flights with more than 100 people or some other cutoff. So in this scenario the ATC could ask for the code after asking if the flight deck is secured. That way the actual Captain...(whose hopefully still flying plane) can read back the code. Could be a 6 digit combo such as A923W9. These verification of authenticity codes are already widely used in intelligence and law enforcement. Seems like it would be easy to add it to the flight-plan?

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@@patricksmith2553 it would need to be a pair of codes, one for "I've been taken over" and one for "I'm still in control".

Why the heck would she do that? Was she trying to make him break up with her?

@@Listrynne Vindictive, not too bright, female probably thought that would in some manner make problems for him without realizing the blow back on her.

Hi, Thanks for the story. I'll keep it in mind should I ever be in a position to need it. Your story made me laugh and that is very precious this day and age. Yours, Ann

Their relationship really Balkanized. 😜

Sounds like standard safety protocol in Europe. So strange the US would decide differently. However, I do understand why they chose 25L over 7R, because it would allow them to let the airplane taxi further away from the buildings to be inspected. If they landed 7R, they would first have to taxi past the buildings in order to get to a safe remote area, not on the side of the residential areas. I was in a similar situation as what you describe, @Stephanie Whelchel but years ago in 2003, and the airport was Paris CDG. All other passengers got their luggage back after 3 hours. Mine took another 2 hours... Turned out I was the reason for the safety protocol after some sloppy administration by inept airline staff in the US port of origin, which made my profile check a bunch of red flags to the point they decided to treat it like a threat level 3. Instead of just confronting me with the strange anomalies so I could tell them what had happened, they just made me sit in the hall for 5+ hours waiting for my bag. And they didn't give us anything at all, even though it was late July, the hottest time of the year in France. The airport laid all on the airline, and the airline refused to assist the passengers... Horrible service. Delta and Air France (Star Alliance, I believe?), Avoid them at all cost! I'd rather fly South West Airlines now than ever taking another Delta or Air France flight...

You thought it was just a few randomers doing these jobs? How can people not look at a scenario and think through what goes on to make it work? Always surprises me.

Wow. And here I was thinking it was a compliment. Want to say without looking how many of us it takes to get the curtain up on a Broadway show without looking?

@@gracelandone it was a nice thing to say. Don’t let some “randomer“ on the internet take away from that

One good thing you can tell yourself is that, most pilots don't wanna die and since they are in charge of keeping the plane from crashing, then that should aliviate your worries - unless ofcourse, one of them feels like commiting group suicide that morning... not like that ever happend before *cough cough*

Agreed!

You can slow the video down if it is too fast :)

9.5 times out of 10 when someone screams bomb it's a false attack; if you have a bomb and want to blow a building/plane/whatever you'd go as quiet and inconspicuous as possible

Flight 8303 that took place on 3 July of 2022 had similar case.There was guy onboard who decided to make prank,but got legal consequences very quickly.

There is the old joke about a passenger, who as soon as he boarded his flight exclaimed; "I hope the Plane don't crash!" Immediately, there was an even louder response; "Amen Brother!" It was the Pilot..... Bonus mileage points, if you know the comedian who used to tell that joke.....

Sweet, innocent baby 🥰

@@kariannstickle2708 POORLY INFORMED KID

Yeah, I thought that too. I'd have thought law enforcement should be making that kind of decision.

Years ago (1981) I was flying London to Far East on vacation and on arrival at Rome, were told to leave the plane as there was a bomb on board. (YES, captain or flight officer said bomb!) Imagine the panic - people almost climbing over seat backs, etc. We were taken to a lounge with armed police while plane was towed to remote part of airport and bags placed in rows on tarmac. After 5 hours (we were allowed refreshments for free) we were taken in groups of 15-20 to identify our luggage. It does seem odd to bring plane near terminal buildings.

It's probably quicker to disembark everyone at the gate than down a slide, and get the appropriate security services on board. That's my guess anyway.

@@y_fam_goeglyd LAX has plenty of remote parking with jet bridge access. Even with no jet bridge, multiple air stairs would've rapidly evacuated the aircraft.

Ultimately it's up to the pilots, especially if there's someone making threats in their ear that they have to comply with. If the would-be bomber wants a gate, you give them a gate. After all, it could be the most distant gate at a remote concourse and the bomber probably won't be any the wiser.

Timmy? Ever wonder......

I remember multiple times, as a kid in the 90’s, going into the cockpit of 747’s on long haul flights. Whilst I’m sure everyone agrees on why that is no longer possible, it’s still hard to miss the innocence of yesteryear that made those experiences possible.

Simpler times plus the food was actually good

I remember that too. Was probably '96 or later. Still a normal thing.

It's been a long time since I wondered where my old plastic "wings" pin vanished to. Maybe I'll find it again, someday.

I imagine they'll be banned from flying after they finish their prison sentence. Even if it was a prank, if they got caught, they are in major trouble.

*ANOTHER REASON i DROPS - iPhones NEED TO BE BLOWN UP ALL OF THEM* wake up America 👎 i phone and tik tok*

apparently it was a prank from a teenager. I am sure the FBI have taken an interest. But it looks like it only happened a few months ago and these things take time

Only thing I can find on it is a forum where people are saying it was a kid pulling a really bad prank so Im on the fence whether they should've given him jail time or just juvi, community service and permanent ban from AA flights

@@sean_mccadden all things considered, I believe this does rise to the level of criminal mischief: the lives of the other passengers were arguably endangered, and AA and LAX clearly suffered pecuniary damages. No tangible property appears to have been damaged, but sometimes a decision must be made about whether what matters is a perfect fit, or what is appropriate.

I wonder if afterwards they deplaned remaining passengers onto the tarmac and bussed them to the terminal, or if they just pulled the plane up to a gate. It could be argued that there still could be a bomb onboard, although realistically it was an obvious hoax because no actual terrorist or hijacker is going to bring a bomb onboard and then send AirDrop messages to random passengers seated near them.

That was regarding a different incident that occurred in Albuquerque, New Mexico. I am yet to find any news articles about this incident.

Airdropping is completely anonymous and you can spoof the name that is displayed in the title header to whatever you want. They shouldn't have landed the plane since the guy was likely trolling due to being completely anonymous, and could have easily framed someone else.

@@halfwaysleet So they should have flown until they crashed? You are talking BS.

@@sminem6572 It was apparently from comments from people who claimed to have been on this flight. One claimed that a family was removed from the plane. That would imply that it was a teenager that did it. One said an FBI agent came on board and started calling out someone's name. Implying that from the phone name on the AirDrop they were able to figure out which passenger it was. But that doesn't make sense because the flight attendants would have told him what seat they were in. Unless he was just calling out the phone name, as a way to convince them "We know who you are" and hoping they turn themselves in. Possibly the teenager became visibly nervous and when confronted confessed to it. Of course the comments could have been BS, with any incident people come into the comments claiming that they were there.

United 93 🇺🇲 never forget

@@negautrunks Brave and Known.. never forget.

Imagine someone tries to force their way into the the flight deck with US or Uk forces aboard. The intruder would lose his teeth if he was lucky.

The shoe bomber learned a hard lesson... as have many others since 9/11

I'd probably be more traumatized if I saw some of their other "props" fall out of the overhead compartment. 🤣

How on earth wasn't this spotted In security and removed 🤣

@@bethanyc4305 Because it was made of rubber…..

@@FilosophicalPharmer but wouldn't the shape of it show up on the x Ray?

@@bethanyc4305 A shadowy outline would’ve appeared, blending in with other shadowy shapes around it. But the machine was also interested in something’s composition and material. The rubber wasn’t dense enough for the machine to highlight the object. Had it been an actual one, it would’ve stood out on the screen lots more. HTH. 👍🏼

There's a list of us who want him to be our flight instructor but Kelsey doesn't want to do it. 😄

He is so far beyond that though, Such a talent, it is not an easy thing to do to keep people entertained listening to friggin air traffic control tapes , I mean let's be real about it

Wow, aren't you nice to the panicked people who don't know what the hell is going on? I'm glad you're retired.

@@phydeux there's a time for pleasantries, and there's a time for action. Ive been inches from what turned out to be a large car bømb (I live in London), and there's just no time for dithering when one doesn't know if and when the worst will happen. Even the responders are largely helpless and do what little they can (get people AWAY).

@@Naptosis - I completely understand, I've flown through Heathrow in the late 80s and remember the recordings that now play in US airports post-9/11. It's not lost on me how important such things are. I'm just saying you can do such things in a polite manner, not calling people and their bags "stupid". Hell, the British are the absolute pros at being polite while telling you to move your ass. 😀

You mean with 9/11 being government ran.

@@phydeux We are generally polite, but don't forget we also created almost all the English swear words! If, in an emergency, someone tells you to stop being a cockwombling muppet, then they mean business! 😄

They had to turn around and abort the flight despite knowing fully well that it was a prank. Chances of an actual bomb getting on a plane nowadays are infinitesimal, and chances for the terrorist being dumb enough to announce it without making any demands are even lower (over Airdrop no less, letting everyone know they‘re on the plane). So yeah, i‘d figure that the pilot would be pretty annoyed

There sometimes is a fine line between fear & anger.

It is easy to call that bluff. Ruined the pilot's day and everyone else's day too. 999/1000 bomb threats do not involve a real bomb.

​@@hansblitz7770better safe than sorry

Difficult to say for sure without seeing the METAR from that day. The onshore winds can be pretty significant at LAX, and the plane is already heavy with unused fuel (since it was scheduled to Hawaii). A landing on 7R could have increased the risk to the passengers and crew.

@@skyhawk_4526 I’m also guessing (I’m about as far from expert as it gets) that if a go around became necessary due to weight, runway 7 would have made that more difficult due to the mountains

"It looks like you might have an explosive device on board. Would you like help?"

I'm now just imagining that damn paperclip tapping on the cockpit windscreen...

My guess is that the assumption is that any potential bomb would be rather small. You don't need a very large explosion to take down a pressurised aircraft flying at cruising altitude. It would take a lot less energy than an explosion large enough to destroy a plane *and* damage an airport. So if you're a terrorist who actually intends to blow up the plane, rather than just threatening, doing it after you're safely on the ground with emergency crews in the immediate vicinity isn't the smart move.

I mean, it’s not like they would have everyone crowding at the gate. They would evacuate everyone near it. Plus, highly unlikely it would be enough to significantly damage the plane AND the airport/gate given how much explosives it would take to sneak on board

I was also surprised by this. I would have expected the plane would be sent to a remote part of the airport until they verified there was no threat.

Every airport has a bomb threat runway and spot, that’s probably why the runway choice, but also if they were busy it’s way more unsafe to move airplanes already set up to final, it would be a major cluster fck to do that.

Was Kelsay your First Officer?

@@skyhawk_4526 I wish!

So you're rich & /or an athlete or you're in the armed forces because otherwise there's no way you'd be flying that airline.

@@Anna_Xor Rich people dont fly Atlas... Yes I am military

@@brandon7219 Yes they do.

@74Gear definitely has a passion for his career 😀

@@MyFingersAreStinky gay says myfingersarestinky lol take them out of your pooper

@Two In The Pink One In The Stink Your username checks out. 😊

@Two In The Pink One In The Stink whats your problem

The amount of trouble and costs this small action caused is amazing. Airliner aborting flight turning around, overweight landing therefore checks, ARFF deployment, police investigation,...

@@fluffigverbimmelt great, right? They should have a jail onboard, and a few guys that can handle the problem. So the flight can continu, with the animal locked up behind bars by some guy. 3 guys on every flight should be enough, right? With appropriate weapons to deal with every situation.

@@bertjesklotepinoyeah continue flight with bomb threat, gonna get real comfy once the timer of somone‘s actual bomb in their luggage reaches 0

Well, this is sadly where the SSI or Security Sensitive Information part comes into play. When Kelsey mentioned having to basically walk on eggshells when it comes to this topic, the details of these events are kept under wraps to prevent would be bombers from figuring out ways to accomplish their goals via knowing how we handle these situations. This is coming from the dispatch side of things, but pilots receive the same training

@@Random_Banshee imagine a guy building a bomb on a timer in his lugage. How is he gonna time it? What if the flight is delayed? What if the luggage is taken with another plane? I Obviously was talking about someone who is talking about bombing the plane, inside the cabine. The luggage should have been checked by the airport security, right? Btw, who is to say that turning back would help? What if the bomb was on a trigger that is sensitive to changes in air pressure? Anyways, there could be a reasonable way of handling a crazy person onboard a plane without it having to turn back immediately. And i was just giving an example of one.

Thanks for letting everybody know that you are at least full of some $hit... smh

What

Well it wasnt dead when it was stowed in the luggage! You guys need to pressurize the luggage comp and give it o2 so it doesnt do that.

@@neglectfulsausage7689 what

yeah, what @@your_jacket4723

People don't really panic that much... what you have is a version of elite fear, where you believe you (and sometimes people like you) are somehow better than others and that you know better. It is the same reason that people that are in the "elite" class feel they have to fear everybody else because they believe they are more evolved and everybody else is just trash that will do insane things. The "elite" are wrong and so are you and you both are kind of terrible people.

In fact the plane didn't go to the gate - it was subsequently told to taxi to a remote area where the FBI were waiting and they already knew the name of the perp by then. Using air drop was not a smart move

I'm sure that is accurate, however I'm positive it's irritating to the pilots that are already under stress. If it's for the public safety teams that can wait until the plane has landed. As a retired controller our supervisors often directed us to ask additional questions during emergency situations, I would either wait for a point I felt the workload was reduced for the crew or return the answer of "they are to busy right now"

@@beezalbub7325 I think you missed my point. I'll be a bit clearer. Decisions have to be made before landing and details help in making those decisions. 1) Is there a likely suspect onboard. 2) What more can they describe about the threat/messages. That leads to determining whether the plane should go to the gate or be held away from the terminal. It also leads to decisions on whether to have an "orderly" disemarkcation, a rapid "bail-out", or some type tactical greeting will be needed. This needs to be sorted out in advance, if possible, to get people and equipment in the right location for immediate action. Those are the type of things going through the minds of the emergency responders and that controllers/pilots may not be as familliar with.

Probably a prank, if someone had smuggled something explosive through airport security I would have heard about it already

Some dumbass teenager thought he'd play a joke. I'm not sure what happened to him, though.

@@davidhalldurham I just googled it and found someone saying this on a forum as well as another KZfaq video about it - but no article from local news or anything. Where did you hear about that?

This happened in September 2022. There’s almost no info out on this online. It probably was a prank, as we didn’t hear anything else about it. There was a similar highly publicized threat incident earlier this year in Europe. A bored teen texted or posted he was going to blow the plane up, or something to that effect. The plane returned to port, accompanied by fighter jets. It didn’t end well for the teen.

Obviously it wasn’t a real bomb situation.

I'm pretty sure that kind of information wouldn't be made public, so he'd be risking his wings if he blabbed.

@@phydeux Exactly. My former boyfriend was an airline pilot. He wasn't allowed to share anything about his training for hijackings, etc.

@@phydeux I'm pretty sure that information would be a headline in the local news outlets and possibly national news. "Stupid teenager gets arrested for sending airdrop bomb threat."

@@DS-lt7fw I agree 100%, But there is no telling really. That's I asked Kelsey instead of Boomer? in the first place...

@@400AGLNET boomer hit the nail on the head though. Kelsey wouldn't know anyway unless he were directly involved in that incident because these things are treated as Security Sensitive.

I suspect it was a crazy girlfriend or wife they called in the threat

@@sirclarkmarz You dont call in an airdrop... youd have to be on the plane to send it. Go back to sleep grandpa.

@@sirclarkmarz lol bro doesn't understand what airdrop is- i believe it was actually some teenager who was just trying to troll. to airdrop a message you have to be within 40 feet of the people you are airdropping it to, and it works over bluetooth, so a call would not have been possible to make unless it was made over wi-fi.

For this flight, multiple passengers had received the air drop. They know what’s going on.

@@ancientmaverick13 they do, but what about the person doing the threatening? If I was a bomber and the flight crew got on the intercom and said we were returning to LAX due to a bomb threat, I might just decide there was no point in waiting and then do whatever it was I'd planned. Obviously that's not what happened, but I would imagine the flight crew probably thought about it when making the announcement. I'd say I'd have loved to be a fly on the wall, but... not so much in this case 😂

@@KatiaSwift I can’t imagine many actual bombers announce their plans ahead of time. But I haven’t exactly studied it. I’m just glad I’ve never witnessed this firsthand.

@@ancientmaverick13 yeah, if I heard that one a flight I was on i would assume it to be angry Karen or some idiot.

Tell them you're returning for mechanical reasons. They can find out later.

And then factor in an overweight landing (and necessary added airspeed needed on final to compensate for that weight) on top of the tailwind. I see good reason why they landed into the wind even though it brought them in over the city.

I understand arresting the passenger, but calling a mayday seems extreme

@@sierraromeomike Does seem a bit apocryphal of a story.

@@sierraromeomike The logic is like this "if hes willing to ignore our demands and smoke, he might be willing to die!" Its a zero tolerance paranoia logic.