Bonaventure Cemetery's Bird Girl Statue Controversy

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Grave Talks with Shannon Scott

Grave Talks with Shannon Scott

Күн бұрын

Adorning the cover of The New York Times Best Seller of All Time, "Midnight In The Garden of Good and Evil" was a bronze statue called, "The Bird Girl." She sold the book to the public in plethora but also made Bonaventure Cemetery a household name internationally and now over 800,000 people visit annually. However, oddly there is no real signage telling you, the stranger, that "The Bird Girl" is no longer in the cemetery. Savannahians in their ways, or some of the old crust, resented "The Book" as they called it, resented the fans by in large, especially those clamoring to see The Bird Girl in her original plot. So they cut her out of the picture and in my personal view, as an attempt to erase Bonaventure from the minds of tourists. Obviously it didn't work. I address some of the history, the controversy and in a general way, show you where, The Bird Girl was for many midnights. Cover Photo "The Bird Girl" by Jack Leigh (C) All Rights Reserved
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@kersh122010
@kersh122010 5 жыл бұрын
I'm 30 and a Savannah native. This past weekend I FINALLY took my two sons, 7 & 10, to the Telfair museums (to include the mansion, the Jepson, and Owen House) and for the first time in my life, and theirs, we were finally able to see this statue in person!! I can't add a photo here but I was "fan girling" like crazy. So awesome!
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
That's truly special and apologies for only replying now but the channel got away from us and we're now back as Grave Talks w/Shannon Scott! Appreciate your enthusiasm shared with your children and the magic you're inspiring them by taking them to these places of natural beauty and art. There are few more iconic statues for sure! #savannah #history #bonaventurecemetery #shannonscotttours
@user-bu7jl6zy5d
@user-bu7jl6zy5d 11 ай бұрын
What I remember is that the "garden" for conducting good and evil was in nearby southern South Carolina. The reason the statue was removed to the Telfair Museum was because the gravesite was being trampled by curious tourists and because it was believed that it would eventually be stolen.
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott 11 ай бұрын
Thanks for your comments, Ron. I'll preface this with that I don't own the doctrine but will offer up my fair opinions of being around Savannah for 32 years now and that many of "The characters" were neighbors, friends and associates, including Jim Williams who was briefly my landlord. I spent an adequate amount of time around The Mercer House via Barry Thomas, who I miss daily as he died at 38 of HIV induced AIDS in 1994? If not for him, I'd not have some of the insights that I do, including having met the woman who would go and get "the black candles for Jim" from Minerva. Yes, I believe that cemetery in S.C. was Shad Roe, among others. There are eye witness accounts of Minerva in the Lawton Family plot doing rituals with liquor tumblers and have spoken with them, so I'm thinking the term "garden" for Bonaventure is fair play in so far as any embellishments. So the "fears" about the statue were merited somewhat as there's certainly been A LOT of art theft in area cemeteries, but as far as The Bird Girl goes, she's a case of what what I call typical Savannah reactionary versus doing something with a plan for benefit of all in a complex but not unresolvable situation. Now she's simply gone and only accessible in a museum. Part of the story is missing as the Trosdal family has never made a statement on their view of things or how they were approached or informed or not, at least to my knowledge. I feel bad for them that a better plan wasn't put into place for a loved one's beloved statue but respectfully don't know their mindset or as much as I recall the mindsets of those around them in what I perceived as alarmist mode that never "helps" anyone. When it was removed, it was placed in storage. Eventually, in what could be called a brilliant move for an aging museum with struggling finances, then Telfair Museum Director, Diane Lesko bargained to get statue of Little Wendy on permanent loan and the Telfair numbers shot up for sure. Going back a bit, not long after the original moved, the then President of The Bonaventure Historical Society, contracted with estate of sculptor Sylvia Shaw Judson to create a new or another Little Wendy for the cemetery and visitors sake at Bonaventure. It was agreed to, and one that was 3 inches shorter was delivered and placed near the front entrance of Bonaventure. That lasted a few weeks when some watch dog voices who'd also worked to get rid of the original began to express their dismay and made certain the latest "Bird Girl" got booted too. So, while on the face of all of that, it was said to be about protection or safekeeping or whatever, there were some politics involved. I think if The Book were published today, so to speak, Little Wendy might get to stay(and I believe rightfully belongs) but lessons were learned from the extremism. The book story was embarrassing to many Savannah people, places, its main character was a predator, his fame and crimes implicated others, and so on. They saw the statue(s) as an erasure opportunity but it escaped the closet and clutches more ways than one.
@gardenplots283
@gardenplots283 2 ай бұрын
I have had a small 15" replica for years and never put it outside for fear it would be stolen and I live nowhere near Savannah so I can see why there would have been concerns for the original statue and any trampling going on.
@rickwhite3181
@rickwhite3181 2 ай бұрын
Wow lots of info there ty. I worked in Savannah on and off from 1998- 2002 my best friend had a garage door business there as I did in Tampa Florida at the time. And I would go there and work as a mental health break a break from the wife and kids lol. But I fell in love with Savannah and if I had my way I would have moved there but my first wife did not want to. I love the book in the movie is one of my favorite. I saw the movie I read the book and then i stayed there in I believe George Town area. The first time I went there I stayed at the Hyatt that goes all the way down to River Street the elevator does and that was a fun experience. And some of those stairs that go from River Street up are death traps especially if you've had a couple of beers or drinks 🎉​@@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@deanna8217
@deanna8217 2 жыл бұрын
I was there last month. However, I didn't even know the movie was filmed there until I went into the cemetery gift shop. Bonaventure has to be the most beautiful cemetery I've ever seen.
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
Hi Deanna -- apologies for letting your comments get past us but we've now reinvented the channel as Grave Talks w/Shannon Scott and promise to be more timely! Some of the film was shot here, yes, but only an overhead scene as The City of Savannah refused Eastwood's right to film the Lady Minerva scenery which ended up all being done on a sound stage. #savannah #bonaventurecemetery #clinteastwood #movies
@kate_cooper
@kate_cooper Ай бұрын
I always thought the statue looked rather like it was weighing up the bowls like a pair of scales. The title references a balance between Good and Evil, perhaps that's why the photographer thought the statue fitted the book title.
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Ай бұрын
Kate, great commentary! Having known Jack Leigh for better part of 20 years or so before his untimely passing at 55 and his former wife, Susan Patrice, for many more now, I can assure you that was in his mind and so you called it rather aptly if I do say so myself. Uncanny that "Little Wendy,: aka, The Bird Girl, is no longer in Bonaventure where Jack is buried so closely to the front gates but what a life they made together! #jackleigh #photographer #Savannah #bonaventurecemetery #thebirdgirl #sylviashawjudson #sculptor ##midnightinthegardenofgoodandevil
@hazyblue5727
@hazyblue5727 3 жыл бұрын
You have a great voice and are so knowledgeable and well spoken! I really enjoyed this video! Have a great day!
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
Thank you hazy blue! I'm not sure how I missed your comment going on 2 years back but we've reinvented the channel and are getting notifications more actively so my sincere apologies as I rarely let a genuine compliment get by like that! Take good care and more to come! #history #savannah #bonaventurecemetery #shannonscotttours
@peterstoddard6225
@peterstoddard6225 Жыл бұрын
You likely know there is a Stoddard Way that runs along side Bonaventure. It is on GPS maps but is unmarked anywhere. I drove it once, and my head almost exploded to not see the Stoddard name from end to end. I must research the Bird Girl's identity. Perhaps she and I are kin. Clint Eastwood is my kin, as are the late Cecelia Seiler and Jim Williams.
@peopleofonefire9643
@peopleofonefire9643 3 ай бұрын
Shannon, why do you think Savannah has such a rich, paranormal heritage? Wilmington, NC was founded the same year as Savannah, but it is rather ho-hum.
@rosier3197
@rosier3197 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with Hazy Blue, you have a great speaking voice. I love your videos!
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
I'm embarrassed to say I didn't get all of the notifications on everyone's flattering comments about my voice or presentation so please accept my very delayed apology and recognition of your kindness! #shannonscotttours #gravetalks #savannah #bonaventurecemetery
@user-eu2ul2tt7x
@user-eu2ul2tt7x Ай бұрын
The room she is in now, does NOT honor her! She deserves much more respect. She has basically been hidden away.
@shanehughestv
@shanehughestv Жыл бұрын
Great video!
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
Its ok but hoping to make them better Shane! Thank you for your encouragement! #gravetalks #savannah #bonaventurecemetery #shannonscotttours
@julielambert5835
@julielambert5835 3 жыл бұрын
After watching and thinking about this I think it was wrong of them to remove the statue. That was someone’s wishes upon their death to have that statue where it was. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I don’t think it’s right that they removed it. I also guess I understand why they wanted to remove it to. I love photography and take pictures of everything, including and quite often cemeteries. I think that so many are the most beautiful places and so peaceful and often that can be captured in a photo or raw image. It’s also so rich with history of so many peoples lives. Anyway I guess I’m feeling like maybe the didn’t have the right to make this decision and if they thought of of the box maybe they could have made the replacement put in a public place to be viewed and photographed and kept the original where it belonged. Just saying ☹️
@raallen1468
@raallen1468 3 жыл бұрын
I think, the reality of both statues was, after the book/movie, both statues were subjected to vandalism; especially the original statue.
@jlaw7842
@jlaw7842 Жыл бұрын
I believe the family decided to put Wendy the bird girl on display where it is now to keep people from invading and trampling the family’s burial plots
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
@@raallen1468 Thanks for commenting. I've come to realize that this was the hype and no damages actually took place. That's not the P/C answer most have sold the world on, but my view is that it was reactionary per many things done in Savannah. #history #thebirdgirl #savannah #bonaventure
@coolbabe4940
@coolbabe4940 Жыл бұрын
It was not political reasons, it was because people started damaging the statue. That is the reason…..
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
While Bonaventure does have a legitimate and long history of art theft and vandalism, which may have influenced the decision to put her in a storage unit, my view, and part of the use of the word political, was that her removal was reactionary and knee-jerk. The argument could've been made for Little Gracie as well, but there she still sits. Perhaps they learned their lesson with The Bird Girl, deciding to put up a gate around Gracie, which is still a less-than-perfect presentation in my mind. Savannah is a town famous for "not knowing what it wants but just knowing what it doesn't want." I've never found a police report or anything in the cemetery department record less reports of people being in the plot posing with the statues which is or was a true challenge. But instead of coming up with a plan for the statue, which would've been amazing and to the benefit of all, they hid her away. To me, evidence of "the political" is in the fact that the artist's estate sanctioned and made, a 2nd "Little Wendy," for the sake of visitors of Bonaventure per the head of the historical society then. The statue lasted 3 weeks(?), before powers or old guard influences or both, stepped into admonish the move, and even a 2nd Bird Girl statue, and one actually made for the cemetery which is incredible, was booted.
@sandrabrown2132
@sandrabrown2132 5 жыл бұрын
That was cute calling her a “city” girl.😀
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
I found it amusing too! #thebirdgirl #savannah #bonaventurecemetery #gravetalks
@julielambert5835
@julielambert5835 3 жыл бұрын
I love the history of this piece, thank you. It was very very difficult to watch it though because of the walking.
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
Hi Julie. Apologies on the long delay to responding but truthfully we've just reinvented the channel as Grave Talks w/Shannon Scott so thank you for your patience! Happy to hear you enjoyed Bonaventure Cemetery but yes, at over 200 acres, it has its challenges! Good news, you can park along the road at any point! #history #savannah #bonaventurecemetery #shannonscotttours
@popper1772
@popper1772 Жыл бұрын
wonderful presentation.
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
It's not too shabby and hoping to get better! I'm enjoying the support and thank you kindly! #shannonscottours #gravetalks #savannahga #bonaventure
@popper1772
@popper1772 Жыл бұрын
@@GraveTalkswithShannonScott I think abt the evolution of your unfoldment from the manifold amorphous potential into the polished crystal clarity. A craftsman refining his technique to mastery. Raconteur as much a provocateur, and % 100 gentleman through and through.
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
@@popper1772 Well I blush at the insight and accept it in the effort and sentiment in which it was delivered, thank you. #savannah #bonaventurecemetery #shannonscotttours #gravetalkswithshannonscott
@popper1772
@popper1772 Жыл бұрын
@@GraveTalkswithShannonScott in a world gone mad, One man.. ...
@sdhscrosscountry
@sdhscrosscountry Жыл бұрын
Love this
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
My sincere apologies for the delayed response as I wasn't getting notifications for some reason! Appreciate your support! #savannah #history #bonaventurecemetery #gravetalkswithshannonscott
@terrymartin3036
@terrymartin3036 Жыл бұрын
Was she facing the river
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott
@GraveTalkswithShannonScott Жыл бұрын
Yes, she was from inside of the Trosdal family plot in the place where you now find an antique iron bench. #thebirdgirl #savannah #bonaventurecemetery #shannonscotttours
@nancydemoss2945
@nancydemoss2945 2 ай бұрын
Who are you??
@peterstoddard6225
@peterstoddard6225 Жыл бұрын
You keep doing fine work Shannon who I soon hope to meet in person! Please tell people about my Cousin, a founder of Evergreen, later Bonaventure. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stoddard_(businessman)
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