Derch: That’s way overkill for that guy. Torgue: I DISAGREE! APOLOGIZE!

I really like that the Transformer is like the Philosopher's Stone to this gun.

*Derch after using a powerful gun for the first time*: "Does this come in binary?"

Zane's special synergy with torgue guns like this is actually Playing Dirty, since it let's him double his stuck gyrojets bonus, though I have no idea if this thing gets a bonus since it doesn't say on the card

This might go well in the Trevonator build as a long/mid range option. And on Amara, if you set your action skill to corrosive, you could be outputting 3 elements, and possibly a 4th if you used cryo grenades. I know there isn't a lot of need for that many elements at once, but it could be fun.

5:43 - You are not the first to back up and fall off that ledge - and you won't be the last LOL

The Alk is currently my favorite weapon. And by the by, it DOES have synergy with zane, which I will be showing in a build i’m working on for a reddit/forum post

Battleborn is amazing. i wish more people played still. Alani and Phoebe were my favs.

Also yes I have seen it drop in double penetrating variant (x2)

I did't realize the reload mechanic when I used it lol, This makes it so much better than I thought. Time to bust this thing out again.

I use this weapon as my primary on moze. Little trick (haven't seen watched the whole video yet so don't know if it is talked about) but if you shoot an enemies critical and then swap to an unforgiven pistol the alchemist sticky projectiles gain the critical damage bonus of the unforgiven. It's incredibly proficient at killing graveward.

I love the look of this weapon

I got one of these in the double prefix, anointed with 50% bonus shock after action skill. Whenever I'm feeling frustrated I switch to my splash build, and run this gun. It's so satisfying. I picked it up really soon after hitting level 50, and it's one of the few guns I've kept the entire time since then, like a month ago. Lol I spent so little time with Torgue in BL2, but they really did a good job making an actual combat loop with them in this game. Also with the game mechanics/gear leaning into actual splash damage as a separate thing, it's easier to build around. So yes, do an Amara alchemist build. I don't even have all the gear I want for it yet, and it's still the strongest (or most versatile without being broken, rather) one I run. You can drop into almost anything and have it work well.

Love full metal alchemist dude so I was so happy when I saw this gun drop for the first time. The people over at gearbox have good taste

Couple this with the crit swap unforgiven and watch a mag or 2 drop mayhem 3 graveward even with bad modifiers

You can also set off stickies by swapping guns

Dope video Derch, just wanted to point out that if you look at the screenshots of the shields in the Takedown reveal, they are clearly Hybrids!

Cool tip for u, don’t use ADS on slow projectile weapons like this, it’s hard to track moving enemies when ADS. That way the weapo will be much more powerful

I have a purple Triple Penetrating Torgue shotty on one of my Mules speaking of dual shot weapons, anyone else seen these?? Only consumes 2 ammo per shot btw. I haven’t got around to testing it too busy grinding haunt and Nightwave on Warframe

At 21:15 the reason why your recoil was pretty bad, was coz u were terrified. So yes, the gun would work great for the clone, besides the fact that he doesn’t know how to detonate the stickies by exploding prematurely

I love what they did with Torgue guns with the standard mechanics and the unique gimmicks. I'm kind of waiting to get the right combination of coms and relics to do some proper Torgue builds, but I find myself using them randomly when I just want to have a bit of good fun and change up combat loops. So much fun.

I like how they avoided stickies sucking by making them detonate on the start instead of the end of reload.

A bit of a Synergy for Zane is his SNTL Annointed Effect that adds Cryo, which makes it viable against ALL enemy weaknesses, chews through Shields, Armor, and Health like they're nothing.

One thing you didn't seem to mention for whatever reason is that the Alchemist has another synergy with the Transformer in that the damage you take from firing it can be absorbed and put back into the magazine, which I guess is a synergy with all absorb shields. Also I highly respect your love for FMA it's so good I watched it again recently and Cowboy Bebop...yeah that just makes sense.

Fun fact: The Transformer actually builds shield from the gun damaging you. Whether it's intended or not i guess this means the damage to you counts as shock.

This gun is really good with Fade-away-FL4K. And it melt bosses with every character.

I dig the look of this weapon however i never tested it. I always stayed away from using it because Alchemist and Ogre are the weapons some Moze players use to damage glitch with booster shields, or ward shield + face puncher.

Not sure how good the mag size relic was when the gun forces you to reload frequently to set off the darts. Kinda sad we are still struggling to find good all around artifacts and not need a specific special one for any build :/ Ive been running with a loaded dice for most of the game because everything else seems to push me in a specific playstyle and i like to experiment on the fly with stuff that i find

"I don't really see any synergy with Zane here." (95% of the guns in this game)

This is my Graveward killer on Moze. The impact is splash and the explosions crit, and if you land them all on the crit, it DESTROYS.

It detonates when you reload or swap weapon. If you spec into "some for the road" on moze (infinite ammo when exiting iron bear) this gun is completely overpowered for bosses. Shoot more or less a hundred of these stickies on a crit spot and swap to the unforgiven. It basically bypass any mayhem modifier...

Fucking love the Alchemist, had a lv37 one that carried a good 8-9 levels without a transformer but had a good Shock resist shield that worked pretty well.

I have a double pen prefixed one and this thing just MELTS traunts crit spot if you splode the whole clip on an enemy

Unusable in Slaughter shaft

A class mod with Torgue projectile speed would be good.

I like using it with a Brawler Ward on my Amara Face-Puncher build to rip my shields

And obviously FL4K makes nearly every gun insane, but the Terror-Two Fang with Two Fang is stupid fuckin strong.

one of my favorite guns. fantastic for farming graveward on blastmaster moze

I literally just got one, and the horizontal and vertical recoil is absolutely insane

@Derchlands Talking about anime, didn't the "blood river" area in the event map reminded you of Berserk? When the band of the hawk get sacrificed?

Battleborn was far too underrated

I constantly kept getting rid of this gun cause i found it underperforming but with this video you convinced me to give it another try. It should be called "Pimpernel Syndrome" :D

Where and how did u get those artifacts? I Can't find them anywhere can u only get them in TVM mayhem 3?

Heya Derch I just wanted to let you know that I found a really nice way to use the sheriff amara build for bosses and its easy aswell! You need a Masher or Maggie and a Gatlin Rifle Purple or the Legendary Version with the Annointment for 100 % Damage After AS Usage just switch to the Phase cast Ability and you can melt bosses! If the Boss spawns multiple annoying lil shets Grasp is still superior but that fixed my only problem with the Build (also your insane AS Cooldown doesn't have that harsh deminishing returns because of the skill switch)

I just got one with a terrror double projectile perk but it has no scope. i dig scopes. feels odd lol

Use the alchemist and the unforgiven for the gravewood

In my experience with it as Amara it's alright not the greatest thing for her arsenal. I didn't think about fl4k synergy to make it crit which actually has me excited to check it out again. As for using it for Moze I've found a more insane alien tech shock shotgun that projectile bounces three times which can melt badasses and katagawa jr if you get it stuck on one character or have a tight group of enemies like when katagawa jr spawns his copies. Even use it with Amara nimbus cloud skill which one shot katagawa jr.

Didn't see the whole run but unless there's something unusual about this gun the stickies should go off on weapon swap as well as reload like all Torgues? (Why the Unforgiven exploit is so easy.) Really enjoyed this one when leveling up Zane, his clone wrecks with it.

I've been trying tons of different guns on a splash dmg Amara build, gotta defo give this a try once I find one!

As you say Fl4k has the ability to make the impact crit, the stickies (which are the vast bulk of the damage) can crit on any character though

I had a great version of this gun with a large mag that was great on Amara. Then I got a binary version and sold my old one. It was a mistake. The binary one used bullets faster and had a smaller mag and for some reason it didn't pack the same punch. I am now looking to find another one.

Only thing I wish was different about this gun is that I wish it was full auto. That's all.

Only 4 mules? I'm up to 50 mules, and 25 of them are full already. I've not even started to sort through them yet. I have legend mules, terror mules, anointed mules, red text mules, and just general overflow, when I don't have enough time to go through the sorting.

got one, hated the self damage, tossed it without thinking of the transformer. kinda pissed

Daaaayuum! Haven't seen this gun yet, goes to show u how many legendary there are. I really need this for me Amara!

You need to try some of the Torgue shotguns Derch. I started using those when BL3 first came out on my Moze, set them to ‘Sticky’ and they wreck. The more pellets the better.

I managed to get one to drop with after Action Skill next 2 mags have cryo damage, good against flesh, shields and armor all in one gun, beastly on my Amara.

I never realized it had self damage until recently because I had the transformer shield on when I first got this gun

You can crit with this gun with any class. Both the initial hit and the gyro explosion. I do it with Amara all the time. Hell, you can take massive chunks out of Graveward's HP that way.

the law of equivalent exchange gets thrown out with this gun while equipping the transformer lmao, it looks so powerful. didn’t seem too strong when i had it but i might’ve been in mayhem mode lol

And it's a Double-Penetrating (x2) - I should really watch the whole vid before commenting. 499x2 DMG, 70% ACC, 55% HNDLG, 2.5s RLD Time, 6.30/s ROF, 16 Mag. Same Splash Damage radius and + Projectile speed. 2.2x zoom. After using Attack Command, consume all Terror and FL4K's pet gains 50% bonus fire damage for a short time. Haven't played FL4K much yet, so I don't know if that's a good boost or not.

On tvhm and mayhem 3 I generally can average two or three clips on moze for graveward

Got one, didn't like it that much. Will revisit with a Transformer. Fave Torgue is a DP Echo. This thing is fun too.

It heals your shield because without the transformer every shot takes some shield from you to do shock damage on the enemy

Yeah this gun is pretty solid, I just get in and out of iron bear for infinite ammo and I delete graveward and rampager

I've on with a FL4K Rakk anointment if you want it.

This is one of my go-to weapons for farming, it absolutely MELTS lesser targets like Gigamind.

I have a double penetrating one, so yes there more projectiles 👍🏼

Hey Derch, i was just wonder how would incorporating 1 new skill trees to each class work? Like i always say to myself if they do that, they would have to go beyond level cap, like level 80, or go the Pre-sequel route where each tier 3 would only cost 1 skill point to convert more skill points.

I bet it could work well with booster shields!

The game wants to tell you something you say? It messages me too when I waste time not having fun. Weeks back when I farmed the barrel game in sprinterlands for 15 mins I got the boring gun; yesterday I farmed loot ghosts in voracious canopy and got a mocked devoted.

Aww you have a flesh melter relic can't find one of those for the life of me.

Poor zane. Pigeon holed into nothing but cryo builds

I got one of these to drop with 125 bonus splash anointment, it wrecks house

Its easier for flak newcomers to use rakks because you can just spam them and get heals lol. My moze had this on the wall for so long I finally decided to use it and was surpirsed how good it was.

I just wish the stuck gyro jet ability stays when u get an anointed one. I have an anointed and it isn't that strong cause they remove that ability.

It’s not amazing for mobbing but it shreds bosses. I have an anointed one which melts bosses on my rakk attack build.

I tried one of these with Zane but honestly really struggled to kill anything, tvhm M2.

I dig unforgiven-swapping with this gun, especially on fl4k

Its the wunderwaffle

This with infusion makes it 3x elements?

One weakness of the gun is that a lot of anointments don’t last long enough to unload a full clip unfortunately, still an amazing gun though

try this n flak with this gun plant the bombs then cast fad away then reload

I just wish it had a switch to manually detonate

did they change this weapon? i recall it damaging you when you shoot it...

Wish you played on Mayhem3 and just wait till you get a role where nothing effects the gun. I dont know anyone who doesnt play on Mayhem3

I’m pretty sure this gun does crit, not 100% sure though

I have a double penetrating alchemist on Moze, and with 10 seconds on bottomless clip ib exit, I can melt graveward in 25 seconds

IF the jets are doing THAT much damage when reloaded then they gonna nerf the SHIT out of this gun just like they did the bangstick with fl4k lol. That is gun is literally USELESS now

I deleted it, I hated the delay times

It does come in double penetration prefix ;).

Yo, Lord Pantless, you want to good anime series to watch, try catching _The Rising Of The Shield Hero_. Sure, it's _*_another_*_ _isekai_ (modern day guy life in fantasy world, a la, RE:Zero,) but boy, does this series run through a whole new ground with the way the protaganist gets beat down upon. The political/religious intrigue is also a rather interesting touch. If I do find an Alchemist, I gonna spam the fuck out of it! I'd need to find a Trnasformer, though, but I guess I could farm the Golden Chest for one. Found me a Stop Gap and a Storm Front doing that the other day. Pair that with this Epic Dahl Asp I picked up and shit, I'll leaving mangled corspes everywhere!

Bruh I saw a really good annointed one for this and left it because I thought it was crap :(

Bro it looks like your not even playing on mayhem mode. 8k blew up an enemy? Ok lol 👌

Anyone on xbox wanna help me get this?

No mayhem 3?

R u playing on pc

Derch if your on xbox would love to join you some time as i like playing with mature people. Names Carbide002.

You're the scrub rakk lover, fade away Flak 4 life! Also, Ninja scrolls>FMA

U cant get consistant numbers without mayhem cuz no ones playing non mayhem but ye go ahead and waste my time thank u very much