Any chance you could do the Metabo Hpt Triple hammer sometime? I know its a bit older but I really want to see how the 3 hammers effects the graph.

@@zerodpi671 triple hammer is an odd one. Digging into it

Simple explanation why adapter has more power, it's the same thing as having a breaker bar vs a regular ratchet wrench. Longer is better, it's why they tend to break because of more torque.

@@jlrockafella he's show in past videos extensions actually decrease power.

@@jlrockafella When you use a breaker bar the length of it is placed radially, and force i multiplied by the length so more of it makes more torque. When the length is on the axis of the bolt it just puts more material to be flexed and lose torque. That's the precise problem here, none of the other tools benefit from longer adapters.

i might be misunderstanding what you mean, been a hot minute since ive done anything relating to physics, but wouldn't this mean that when they tested a hollow socket vs solid ones, the hollow one should've made less? it ended up making quite a lot more, why do you think that is? im curious since you 100% know more about why it might've than i would

Es raro que sea al revés en ves del yunque hueco transmitir menos torque

but the diameter doesnt change from filling in the middle

@@polygorg cross section, not diameter.

See, my thought was the play from the fit of the 1/4 hex is actually allowing the anvil to gain a fraction more speed before the head skips, which could generate more power. A tighter fit, in some cases wouldnt allow as much speed to accumulate on the anvil. Im probably mixing terms but maybe you can see what im thinking...

They’re starting to come out with much more tools as well, they’re definitely investing in the line!

Well, I'm still using the gen 1 I think. But I do woodworking and it's pretty perfect for assembling but I admit wasn't impressed when I first got it either but it's worked out nicely

Bosch tools are great, though they do tend to overrate them for some reason

Bosch to Milwaukee for me.

@@GudasWorld Mass in the middle doesn't contribute much energy since its smaller distance from the rotation axis means much lower linear speed than the outer diameter. Kinetic energy scales with linear speed squared, meaning that 2X the distance from center is 4X as much energy for a given amount of mass and there is a whole less mass in the middle in the first place. The difference likely has more to do with flex: the 1/4" bits go straight through to solid metal while the 1/2" anvil sits on top of the 1/4" quick-release mechanism, more metal to spring and soften blows. The insert reduces that flex. The theory should be easily verifiable: paint the insert and run the impact for 30 seconds. If the anvil is indeed twisting enough for the insert to make a difference in this manner, paint should be worn out in opposite directions at opposite ends.

@@GudasWorld The moment of inertia of a cylinder scales with the fourth power of radius. If you remove the inner half of a 1/2" cylinder, you lose only 1/16th of the kinetic energy. Also keep in mind that most of the mass at the largest radius from the rotation axis (highest moment of inertia) lies in the hammer mechanism, not in the bit attachment/anvil. You may not normally see it but it is still where the bulk of the impact magic is happening.

Bingo - this is why I own one as well. If I need big ugga-duggas I can buy something else, but the flexibility is unbeatable. Like you, mine lives on power setting 1. Mostly used for putting screws into/out of wood, doing up bolts on my trailer, building ikea furniture, working on my dirtbike, disassembling / reassembling whitegoods and other household tasks.

That's what people with weak tools say

Agreed, although I have never owned anything Makita, I've had my fair share of Milwaukee and Dewalt tools, with some Ryobi and Craftsman also thrown in. Having said so, none of those impact drivers could match my Freak Gen 2 for lowest speed using the variable trigger. And that's super handy for driving small Philips head screws into soft wood or OSB

Tripping the stubby sets the standard for compact tools

I think the main thing to consider with an explanation like this is the “springy” nature of torque sticks. The torque stick elastically deforms under impact and it is designed to return to equilibrium before the next blow. Cordless impact wrenches typically have a higher IPM which means that they will most likely have another impact before the torque stick has fully reached eq, thats why they can produce more torque than a lower IPM pneumatic gun. From my insight, which could be totally wrong, I think that the hex adapter, while stronger, will not be strong enough to mitigate any torsional deflection. Thats where I am baffled by the phenomenon seen.

Are you sure they’re not 4ah batteries?

@@6atlantis you are right, my bad

At least in my country (Mexico), this november 2022 Home Depot had an special offer; they were giving a charger plus two 4.0 standard batteries with all 18 V bare tools at the price of a bare tool (albeit inflated), as if Bosch were happy to get rid of a lot of standard batteries, maybe to go out with the newer pricier "CORE" batteries... Unfortunately for us, Home Depot only sells here the low level, amateur grade tools here, the damn brushed gen 1.5 that is good only for the very smallest jobs...

Hmm that's true

I'd rather pay the same for a "dumb" impact that makes more power. I have one impact wrench with multiple settings and I never use them. Stays on high

The lock out is targeted at union jobsites where there are 100s of tools and potential thieves. If it won't start, you can't use it or sell it. The torque control is for people doing repetitive actions that require a certain torque. Could be on an assembly line for small machinery or something. I personally had fun with the first dewalt batteries that had bluetooth because I downloaded the app unbeknownst to my boss at the time and he would be drilling something at the top of a ladder and I could shut it off. Other than laughs, no real use for us.

The foreman that just got his box broken into is going to use the app for himself and his top guys. And you don’t have to buy it, it’s a module you put in the tool handle if you want it.

Generally speaking, the bluetooth features in most tools are initially targetted to fleet managers, doing largely standardized tasks that can benefit from custom settings, as well as benefit from lockout (for thieves or locking out defective tools), and tracking. It’s on Marketing that it’s marketed towards consumers now.

Only way to test is drill out harden steel anvil to test vs regular anvil to answer if this would cause a difference. Tbh strength and rigid ness is different from square and tube style shafts. Example drive shafts on cars / helicopters are tubes taking twisting forces and flexing under load staying relatively straight and stout buildings use I beams not designed to take twisting forces I beams are relatively square not round. I bet there is mass loss and flex under load causing loss tbh but it’s a theory.

I like it. One of the few explanations as to why Milwaukee might be different

@@TorqueTestChannel after some thought if this where the case you may see this scale with the modes seeing a similar drop of 15% giving around 25 ft lbs in mode 1 for example

@@TorqueTestChannel One way to verify this would be to put the equivalent Bosch impact wrench on the dyno. The GDS18V-1860 impact wrench has the same specs as the GDX18V-1860 impact driver, as seen in the spec page from the manual in the video at 8:05. Based on what we're seeing in your tests, my guess is that the GDS wrench would make more power than the GDX driver, and that would strongly suggest David Dixon's hypothesis is correct. Unfortunately it does not appear that the GDS wrench is available for sale yet. It's not even listed on Bosch's website. By the way, Lowes has the new GDS18V-1860 priced at $129 (same as Amazon), but you get a "free" 4.0Ah battery kit (with a pretty good charger).

Then why does the Milwaukee make more with a 1/2" anvil?

@@TorqueTestChannel Inertia and heavier weight in the 1/2? Are they 100% interchangeable?

This reasoning makes no sense, it's driving the adapter closer to the centre but the adapter has to drive the socket via the normal 1/2 inch square. This would be like saying a thin extension bar on your breaker bar would provide a torque advantage over a thick one.

No

That and the skil 20v impact wrench and driver

I have in fact changed tires with my gen 2. Swapped all 4 from a compact pickup truck. Only 1 or 2 lugnuts were stubborn enough to require breaker bar. I don't know how much torque did the tire shop set those to.

Does a Bluetooth power tool have a way to return back to normal if it's Bluetooth function fails or gets a gremlin?

I doubt it drives the production cost of the tool up much at all, but as a feature it probably increases retail price. I think its a stupid idea too, no one needs that kind of complexity in an impact driver. Its like the stupid internet connected washing machines and cookers.

@J D as far as Bosch goes it’s a module you buy an insert into the handle, you don’t have to use it. And it’s pretty useful on a job site keeping track of tools and turning functions like soft start off and on. That being said I didn’t buy the Bluetooth module for gen 2.5(which is the gen 3 in my opinion).

In production volumes, a Bluetooth chip (with other necessary components such as crystal oscillator etc) costs well under $1. If they replaced the existing microcontroller that runs the brushless motor with a Bluetooth-enabled microcontroller, rather than adding a second one, the additional cost would most probably be in the range of a few tens of cents. Adding buttons (when factoring in additional assembly labour etc) would most likely be more expensive.

@@6atlantis yea I like the fact that they give you the option of having it or not having it while having it under the same model. Whereas Milwaukee is either one key or not.

See the 1st freak video. We tested without 1st

"Just came out with" is moreso "Negotiated with some Chinese firm to put something they already manufacture into a different clamshell."

the GDX18V-200C is basically the same Gen 2 GDX18V-1800C we get in North America. 200Nm is roughly 1800 in-lbs. The new Freak is known as GDX18V-210C in countries using metric system