Botvinnik vs. Tal | World Championship 1960 - GM Ben Finegold

Botvinnik vs. Tal | World Championship 1960 - GM Ben Finegold - 2015.10.08

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8 жыл бұрын

Grandmaster Ben Finegold tells the story of the 1960 World Championship match. Hear humorous anecdotes of the Soviet Union chess scene from back in the day. See four of the best games from the match.
Mikhail Tal vs Mikhail Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): B11 Caro-Kann, two knights, 3...Bg4
Botvinnik vs Tal, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): E69 King's Indian, fianchetto, classical main line
Tal vs Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): A05 Reti, King's Indian attack
Tal vs Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): E19 Queen's Indian, old main line, 9.Qxc3

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@jamesklimt 8 жыл бұрын

Every time a Ben Finegold video is posted, an angel gets its wings

@tippy1951 6 жыл бұрын

..and flies too close to the sun...

@xDMrGarrison 5 жыл бұрын

Those are some very suspicious angels.

@bookl5578 Жыл бұрын

@@xDMrGarrison I'm dying here😂

@AG-ld6rv Жыл бұрын

Wow now buddy. GM Finegold is an ardent atheist, so he'd take offense to that.

@aanon4019 4 ай бұрын

and when it's on the st Louis channel, it's an arch-angel

@Dooban 8 жыл бұрын

Finegold is easily the best chess lecturer I've seen. You guys should pay him more and convince him to give more classes.

@yesenadam 8 жыл бұрын

+Ben Finegold Just awesome thank u GM Ben. The most truth, about life and about chess, that I've seen in a youtube video, I think. I didn't think u could or would get better but I think u are. Watch out R Pryor, R Williams :-) - Jokes that are funny cause they're stoopid are fine ('c4') ; jokes "funny because it's true", about something important, are the best. (As Homer saith.) All hail Finegold. These are seriously great stuff.

@pradeepbhai007 8 жыл бұрын

+Ben Finegold very suspicious

@andyisyoda 8 жыл бұрын

Yes!!!!! Ben is back. Best chess lecturer on the planet.

@lolwhatyesme651 8 жыл бұрын

+Ben Finegold BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

@newenglandsun4394 8 жыл бұрын

+Ben Finegold I wasn;t confused when you paused--you were sipping your iced tea.

@dreamdamons4576 8 жыл бұрын

u said it

@carlosmishima5314 8 жыл бұрын

+Ben Finegold Ben your lectures are fine as gold

@brandondaniels9471 8 жыл бұрын

+andyisyoda I just wish he was more sarcastic. His lectures are pretty dry and non-witty. :-)

@Brusselpicker 8 жыл бұрын

Tal said on his chess style "It's like leading your opponent into a dark forest where 2+2=5 and the way out is only one person wide.

@leadnitrate2194 3 жыл бұрын

@Oissev Onos eyy!! The greatest Lasker fan is here

@EgorTensin 8 жыл бұрын

Somehow I feel like this was one of the more personal Finegold's lectures. I was really touched by his recollections of the good old times. Just love this guy.

@kurzackd 8 жыл бұрын

when you talk about their excuses, it's true that Tal was ill at the time, but he NEVER stated this publicly, never tried to excuse his loss with his health issues.

@gsgoblue1 Жыл бұрын

I’ve known Ben since back in the ‘80’s when he was just a young teenager and already played like a master. I watch his videos quite often here on YT and I must say he’s ALSO very good at what he does talking and lecturing Chess.

@glennso8134 8 жыл бұрын

If Nigel short challenged Mikhal tal people will be commentating it's short vs tall

@otakurocklee 5 жыл бұрын

Very suspicious!

@chair3736 5 жыл бұрын

glenn so yeah but short got destroyed by fisher lol

@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 4 жыл бұрын

@@chair3736 Nice spelling there. Also Fischer and Nigel short have never played

@PonchoExperience 3 жыл бұрын

@@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 they have, it's on agadmator channel, it was online.

@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 3 жыл бұрын

@@PonchoExperience they haven’t, those games were not played by Fischer and there is no evidence to suggest they were

@namanvij7852 8 жыл бұрын

Comedy King of Chess "GM Ben Finegold " is here ladies and gentlemen! Woooohoooo!!

@derdaniel5720 8 жыл бұрын

Yeah a Ben Finegold Video finally !

@elbay2 8 жыл бұрын

+Der Daniel It's been a while!

@fisher00769 8 жыл бұрын

Yes! Ben Finegold. Highly recommended.

@coltenwimmer4861 8 жыл бұрын

I'm glad he got in at least one "very suspicious" at the end.

@Davidvp 8 жыл бұрын

Tal and Finegold, instant fucking like. Great to see you again!

@classicalmusicforeveryone4766 8 жыл бұрын

Amazing lecture! This and a lecture by Yasser (Fischer - Spasky) are just pure gold.

@kais5613 6 жыл бұрын

Classical Music for Everyone *fine gold

@kabelokgasago842 8 жыл бұрын

hooray for me..ben is back haha

@keepingupwiththecichlids 8 жыл бұрын

It's amazing how Tal's games are still being examined and discussed today. Many of the GM games today are boring and will soon be long forgotten in the near future. However, Tal's games will still live on and prosper forever. Is Finegold cutting a silent fart at 30:00?

@beeble2003 3 жыл бұрын

Most of the games of the past are forgotten, too. You mostly only see games where at least one of the players was in the top two or three in the world at some time.

@RyanC232 8 жыл бұрын

Finegold isn't sipping some kind of beverage?? Suspicious!

@andyisyoda 8 жыл бұрын

Haha!!

@AyoJiero 8 жыл бұрын

+RyanC232 he is! around 4:44 :)

@Cr0nUs1340 8 жыл бұрын

+RyanC232 27:14 you didn't see it. Check mate, Ben wins :)

@thomasploemacher175 5 жыл бұрын

Quite the fancy one actually, got fresh lemon in there!

@Ninnoa 8 жыл бұрын

Excellent, Ben is back. :)

@natebrennan3239 8 жыл бұрын

Another game won listening to Ben. Thank you

@gregtaylor6146 5 жыл бұрын

Top form Ben. hugely enjoyable, Thank you.

@epowouid6715 8 жыл бұрын

Great lecture. Hope for more :)

@TheBackyardProfessor 5 жыл бұрын

I always have a great time viewing your videos!

@chadmacgargle5311 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for covering this! Most people don't know but you can't ignore everyone at once, so generally I ignore GM Ben Finegold

@sergi-13 8 жыл бұрын

YES, FINALLY! I thought he had been fired or something.

@himankghosh2333 4 жыл бұрын

Terrible!!

@rubyred9436 8 жыл бұрын

yay ben is back

@DoomRater 7 жыл бұрын

I need a shirt that has Finegold's face on it and the text "It's never F6", but I dunno if he could scowl as well as Hugh Laurie to make it work.

@sebastianquilt 7 жыл бұрын

Amazing teacher for chess. There's not many on this youtube. Finegold, you're a sell, man.

@nothinghamnot1587 8 жыл бұрын

BEN is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@lol101lol101lol10199 7 жыл бұрын

One could wish that chess players stopped playing for draws so much. But I guess that would be a tal order

@cod2tschernob 7 жыл бұрын

no? nothing? terrible...

@dreamdamons4576 8 жыл бұрын

you rule GM Feingold. love from Irannnnnn. lots of fans here

@REMOnZter 8 жыл бұрын

Finally, a video in HD!

@danieldiaz890 8 жыл бұрын

FINEGOLD! Finally

@diegohdz2163 8 жыл бұрын

GIVE THIS GUY A RAISE!!!!

@AdamL134 3 жыл бұрын

soooooooooooooo im from saint john new brunswick.... never have i ever clicked on a chess video expecting someone to know where this is

@jefftaylor1186 5 ай бұрын

The way Botvinnik played is more tuned to my understanding of the game. Whenever I have those Tal “feelings” where you just “feel” that pieces have to be there; they should not be there 😂

@V8SupersQirreL 7 жыл бұрын

What a great speech for interestig chess! Ben Finegold i a romantic chess philosoph

@northshores7319 2 жыл бұрын

One thing you can learn from the games played in the 50's and 60's is how they attacked in the Middle Game. Obviously Tal and Fischer but also Korchnoi, Spassky Geller, Stein and many Soviets have moments of good instruction in a variety of openings. Petrosian once said-"The only purpose of the opening is to reach a playable Middle Game." Botvinnik and Fischer player 'their systems' to perfection which gave solid instruction. Play thru Fischer's Ruy Lopez games and you learn how to play it.

@juliafloridausa 2 жыл бұрын

07:55 Mikhail Tal vs Mikhail Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): B11 Caro-Kann, two knights, 3...Bg4 12:38 Botvinnik vs Tal, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): E69 King's Indian, fianchetto, classical main line 32:14 Tal vs Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): A05 Reti, King's Indian attack 43:08 Tal vs Botvinnik, Tal - Botvinnik World Championship Match (1960): E19 Queen's Indian, old main line, 9.Qxc3

@mrhardbiz62 8 жыл бұрын

YES BEN IS BACK

@jimmyranaway 6 жыл бұрын

I love Tal so much, attack attack attack.

@mimansa92 6 жыл бұрын

He is insane

@TinkTank21 8 жыл бұрын

In a strange way, Ben looks and sounds like Jonah Hill (Voice, humor and appearance)

@smoothie33 7 жыл бұрын

top five lesson of GM Ben. my first name Ben too.

@sublimeade 7 ай бұрын

42:10 whats the name of the sandwich place in St Louis? Carfe Fartel?

@danensor147 5 жыл бұрын

The 23th World Championship??? Very suspicious.

@leadnitrate2194 3 жыл бұрын

Terrible

@princelasrado2297 8 жыл бұрын

I like this channel I am rated 1209

@joeismexyz 7 жыл бұрын

and I'm rated lower than most the people in the kids class. Terrible! Love the channel, especially kummer and finegold

@poly_hexamethyl Жыл бұрын

0:20 "So I looked at the list...and, strangely, my kiss was on the list but it was the wrong list - it was the Hall & Oates list. But then I found the chess list."

@mastermindchess7378 4 жыл бұрын

Which is the software are they using to teach chess??

@chadmacgargle5311 Жыл бұрын

I love the idea that doubling the bishop pawns is an error. As if having a knight on c3 is a disadvantage. Please anyone explain how a doubled bishop pawn is a weakness when the pawn blocked from tempi is the 7th ranks best defender??

@GraemeCree 4 ай бұрын

There's definitely something to watching players that aren't quite as good. 2500 and 2600-level tournaments are much more informative and interesting to watch than 2700 tournaments.

@majornabeel598 8 жыл бұрын

😊great guy

@jaywolfenstien 4 жыл бұрын

My favorite part: "Qb4. That's a Tal move. I'd be afraid." One move later: "Rc4--now THAT'S a Tal move."

@lolwhatyesme651 8 жыл бұрын

LOVE YOU BEN V.V

@hoijarvi 8 жыл бұрын

Tal - Vaganian 1988 St John Blitz is such a comedy of errors. Vaganian has a simple mate in 3, but does not take it. On top of that, an IM that I'll leave anonymous, stated in his chess column, that players are so good that seldom even correspondence games are this high level.

@dannygjk 7 жыл бұрын

It is ridiculous that a WCH match is only say, 12 games. Come on...it's a WCH dammit!

@arsenalfanrichi 7 жыл бұрын

Yeah it kinda pissed me off that the World Champiuonship was decided in Rapid rather than Classical this year

@dannygjk 7 жыл бұрын

arsenalfanrichi Yeah that's bullshit. If they aren't going to play a decent number of classical time control games then the hell with it just play the WCH with faster time control and play at least 24 games.

@user-ts3ij7te6j 5 жыл бұрын

@@arsenalfanrichi happened again

@seanmiller6583 6 жыл бұрын

Why not @29:23 White Qxc4? Wouldn't that force Tals rook on c8xc4 then allowing Rb1xc1?

@beeble2003 3 жыл бұрын

It's Black's move at 29:23.

@aqew 8 жыл бұрын

More personal channel videos plz!

@kovyiscool 5 жыл бұрын

Around 7:15 in the background “World Championship 23th”. What the hell is 23th?!

@derekwitt9751 5 жыл бұрын

I agree Ben.. Im glad you dont play like that.. Exciting chess out of theory is the way to go.. Keep preaching brother..

@smoothie33 7 жыл бұрын

Tal really was always sick, and he did look 90 years old at 50 years old. Ben Finegold is your dad a GM in chess too like you?

@jessesmoot1285 7 жыл бұрын

his dad is a GM he's a GM his Brother is a GM his cat might even be a GM for all we know

@simonenoli4418 7 жыл бұрын

tes516 his dad was a NM if i am not wrong.

@beeble2003 3 жыл бұрын

@@jessesmoot1285 Not true. His father Ronald was a strong player -- in the top fifty in the US in the early 1960s -- but quite a way short of a grandmaster. His brother Mark plays (he and Ronald both scored 8/12 in the 1992 US Open, as did Bisguier) but, again, not a grandmaster. You're probably right about the cat, though. 🤣

@AkadoRyuuk 4 жыл бұрын

I got that MCR reference at the beggining

@auzzic4098 4 жыл бұрын

@28:16 why is knight D1 bad?

@manojp1196 8 жыл бұрын

Wants to know Ben Finegold's reaction on Artist Giri's 14 draws in Candidates

@jc7868 8 жыл бұрын

i Like your videos but please make a nezhmetdinov games' analysis

@cthompson4186 7 жыл бұрын

Tal and Fischer made those moves for one reason...they were saying my game is good enough to make whatever move i want and....watch this shit.

@abhisheksukhatme7338 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Ben y dont you play blitz match against Anand and definitely u will get your answer

@yd--ramaz--87 Жыл бұрын

So I believe that Bobby Fischer's complaint was that the Challenger would win the match if it was tied after 24 games. That makes sense. So if they would have a home-and-home series the first one would be drawn and the Challenger would get it and the rematch would be drawn I'm the original champion would get it back

@elspethcansdale5414 8 жыл бұрын

I enjoy Ben watching at Home but it would be uncomfortable to actually be in the lecture

@JeroAlmufakir 6 жыл бұрын

23:24 what was that?!? :0

@Supware 6 жыл бұрын

23:00 drinkgasm

@V8SupersQirreL 4 жыл бұрын

There is a video by Simon Williams about one game that is so funny, look it up! Play like Tal it's called...

@MV-ch3mm 3 жыл бұрын

It's all about the Mikhails

@maninblack4158 6 жыл бұрын

This is one of Ben's bad videos you should see one of the good ones.

@arnostpacicka5984 8 жыл бұрын

Actually Botvinnik won a match with Bronstein whan he was WC

@nathanapex2397 8 жыл бұрын

Ben it isnt a tal move its a short move

@Spasskij 8 жыл бұрын

I dont like Giri as a player for the reasons Ben said. A decent player, sure, but where's the risks and nuances? Just theory.

@rafehqazi8539 8 жыл бұрын

Isn't the pawn hanging on c4 at 34:00? Can't black play dxc4 and win the c4 pawn? I calculated a few lines with the white queen coming out to b4 but after black plays b5 I don't see what white can do... I am a 2066 rated player.

@simonenoli4418 8 жыл бұрын

its not a question of taking material. which black could, but take away from the centre compensates the loss to white and furthermore black did not complete development as its rook and knight were still tucked in the corner(as a matter of fact black developed its knight instead of capturing). strategically is worthless. but i am lower rated than you by a fair amount i am just assuming this is a valid reason since "the centre" is sacred

@rafehqazi8539 8 жыл бұрын

I understand general principles. But this is one of those where there has to be a tangible refutation... Otherwise black is just up a pawn! I completely agree with you on the strategic points Timothy Barth but in my humble opinion I believe that that might not be enough for white to prove a real advantage. I have a strong feeling that I must be missing something more concrete for White.

@whoisisaac 8 жыл бұрын

That sounded a lot like Carlsen at the end there.

@danielgajdos368 5 жыл бұрын

29:00 After Qc2 Be4 white is probably winning. If Rxe4 Nxe4 Qb1 and now Nxd6! hanging the rook and treat Qe6This move Botvinnik miss in the time trouble

@michael2244 2 жыл бұрын

13:25 flip the board in case Mike shows up

@dylanperry377 7 жыл бұрын

27:23 I think I'd probably take the a7 pawn

@perifeue 8 жыл бұрын

min 28:28 why dont Ka4 ?

@perifeue 8 жыл бұрын

+Peri Feue sorry i meant Na4

@whisky_cat 2 жыл бұрын

By fishcer logic when a player is losing he will just draw and stall. What kind of match preparation was that, even worse than 12 matches into blitz

@bombrix5195 8 жыл бұрын

Rotating GM!!!

@loganduvick9563 8 жыл бұрын

+Борис Каморзин but he saw it...

@pintosoundinstrumentalbeats 6 жыл бұрын

35:47 VERY FUNNY TEACHER lol

@MehediHasan-dl7le 4 жыл бұрын

Where is Arjun?

@Saracelio 8 жыл бұрын

como se llama esa musica ?

@TrotisApple 7 жыл бұрын

Sexo

@brianjacob8728 3 жыл бұрын

Tal was f'in with him.

@coleschemistrychannel4172 3 жыл бұрын

Engine likes white after gxf3

@dmaster20ify 6 жыл бұрын

Ok now I know why Anish Giri make a draw so easily. Well atleast what Ben Finegold said. He studies opening theory very well and plays based on the theory. Thus his move are very much perfect but leads to draws against these Super Grand Masters. Now I don't think players should be forced to loose by the fans. You never watch a football or track and field match and I hear people forcing players to play for the win/ lost. If a player wants to play safe that's their decision. However compensating a winner for sacrificing for the win is the way to go.

@pr0ject_nihilist 6 жыл бұрын

Tal had alot of health problems. Fisher was kind of nuts too

@12jswilson Жыл бұрын

As Agadmator said, "If Tal took care of his health and didn't smoke so much and if Fischer wasn't Fischer, then the future of chess in the 60s and 70s could have looked very different." That seems accurate.

@derekwitt9751 5 жыл бұрын

Cover Rashid nezmitdinov

@GraemeCree 4 ай бұрын

1960 seems to need an excuse more than 1961. Even at his height, Tal didn't crush top positional players. At BZB he lost three out of 4 to Keres, didn't win any against Petrosian, and had a losing score against the Top 4. He won the tournament by crushing the weakies (Fischer, Benko, Gligoric and Olafsson. Tal might not have become world champion at all if they'd had candidates matches then. Tal won Bled right after that match, he couldn't have been too sick. Botvinnik was just Botvinnik. Tal was great, against most people, but several people had his number.