Does the CG Even Matter on Symmetrical Bowling Balls | Part 1

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@jq98
@jq98 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Cool to see the differences based on where the CG is
@Just-Suave
@Just-Suave 2 жыл бұрын
Best video for CG explanation. Learned everything I needed just from this video! Well done fella!
@Tenpindoctors
@Tenpindoctors 2 жыл бұрын
Just wait there’s kore
@Tenpindoctors
@Tenpindoctors 2 жыл бұрын
More
@AKstryker23
@AKstryker23 3 ай бұрын
Kinda isn't though bc all this changes once holes are put in the ball
@Diplomat440
@Diplomat440 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy this video!
@mikeross2809
@mikeross2809 2 жыл бұрын
No one is throwing an undrilled ball so this test really doesn't give us any practical information. If thumb hole is present then that will become the PSA on symmetrical ball and any effect from CG is negligible at best.
@Nick.McIntyre
@Nick.McIntyre 2 жыл бұрын
There are bowlers who use undrilled balls. Timo Toivonen bowls with a contraption that attaches to his wheelchair and bowls with it. He just rolls it down his ramp like this, so it does affect people, just not most people.
@ifyoudidntknownowyoudo6326
@ifyoudidntknownowyoudo6326 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@nordattack
@nordattack 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, let's first see if it makes a difference with holes in the ball on the ramp . That way we will know how the holes and layout affected the ball at slow speed. Apples to Apples. Then we can increase the speed by throwing the ball.
@Tenpindoctors
@Tenpindoctors 2 жыл бұрын
We will be looking at it
@Tinke8
@Tinke8 2 жыл бұрын
Already done by me :)
@brandontraynum2199
@brandontraynum2199 2 жыл бұрын
And they say “cg doesn’t matter”. Yeah okay. Lol great video
@Tenpindoctors
@Tenpindoctors 2 жыл бұрын
Just wait on that. There’s more parts to this
@remoevans2233
@remoevans2233 2 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t matter at all if the core is symmetric. Asymmetrical core is a different story.
@BigSkyBowler
@BigSkyBowler 2 жыл бұрын
Of course it matters on a undrilled ball... as soon as you put holes in that ball, whatever effect it had goes away. The difference it makes on a drilled ball is basically zero.
@byronfranek2706
@byronfranek2706 2 жыл бұрын
If the axis migrates, what happens to the CG? ie: if the CG is kicked out to the right, where will it be when the ball is 40' downlane, after the axis has migrated 5" from its initial position?
@remington1439
@remington1439 2 жыл бұрын
Byron/ I read your statement and I wanted to say thanks for asking that because being a bowler I need to know what you asked JR, the answer to that Q. I just didn’t asked him that but I did ask him a different Q. Thanks for your Q, it helps me out also✌️
@m3y0um3
@m3y0um3 2 жыл бұрын
@@remington1439 CG is not a factor unless you throw an undrilled ball exactly like this demonstration. other wise, what matters in ball conversations is how the core is aligned to your PAP. layouts adjust this alignment using pin and PSA locations. for symmetric, pin placement relative to your PAP is the important thing. for asym, the mass-bias (PSA) has more effect than the pin. once a sym is drilled, the thumb is the PSA (others mention this too) the guideline was CG on the left for lefty, CG on the right for righty. this was primarily done so if you wanted a weight hole or needed a balance hole, the ball would still be USBC legal. there used to be a 1 oz side weight limit so the CG placement moved weight to the side where the weight would be removed by one of these holes. the CG just marks the place on the ball that is of higher density (heavier) and it can vary from ball to ball. it can be close to the pin or far from the pin. on an asym, it can be left or right of the pin to PSA alignment.
@remington1439
@remington1439 2 жыл бұрын
Great video’ JR, They say at the shop I unfortunately have to use “they say CG Doesn’t matter (lol) I’m so happy you showed this video. I mostly order from Lee, but my Q is for you to help me’ I’m a lefty’ I was watching and you showed the CG on the right side of the pin and it moved right? So me being a lefty Should I have the CG on the right side of the pin for a lefty? Before I order anymore balls from Lee and have him drill I need you input. Usually I would have pin above my ring finger(left hand) and CG right directly under pin, know I’m confused, because CG does matter as you say. Waiting for your part 2, what a great video, on Symmetric ball. Like Bryon says where would it be as 40 degrees rolling. Thanks JR for your awesome videos
@Tenpindoctors
@Tenpindoctors 2 жыл бұрын
Just hold up. This doesn’t say that it makes a measurable difference. Wait for the other parts to this series to come out
@remington1439
@remington1439 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tenpindoctors got it
@remoevans2233
@remoevans2233 2 жыл бұрын
If it’s a symmetric ball, the cg doesn’t matter.
@nicklausebay6092
@nicklausebay6092 2 жыл бұрын
I have that ball and the flare is almost maximum
@21314927
@21314927 2 жыл бұрын
thats all good, but who throws undrilt balls. Once you have holes, the weights all shift to find the new MB
@danwaltz7527
@danwaltz7527 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Raymond , what would happen to to ball if the CG is in the middle and the pin is to the side. I know it's a dumb question.
@m3y0um3
@m3y0um3 2 жыл бұрын
I think it would then depend on the core design, as to how the weight is distributed. if more is towards the top (Thrill core), it will likely want to move in the direction of the pin. if more is towards the bottom (Venom Shock core), it will likely move opposite the pin. if it's balanced (Forge core) it might be the lanes that determine direction.
@peterthebowler
@peterthebowler 2 жыл бұрын
Great demo! Is it safe to assume that an asym would have more movement under same conditions?
@sctr1235
@sctr1235 2 жыл бұрын
drilled and thrown is so much different than just letting it fall off of a ramp. this is basically only showing what would happen if 5 year old throws a ball.
@Tenpindoctors
@Tenpindoctors 2 жыл бұрын
So you didn’t think it showed side weight has effect on a bowling ball initially? There’s a reason it says “part 1”
@sctr1235
@sctr1235 2 жыл бұрын
@@Tenpindoctors sure the effect at that slow of a speed. bring it up to a typical 15 to 17mph speed realistic of someone who would typically throw that ball the effects would be far less. Your part 2 of this is gonna be a better representation of the effect of the side weight of a ball.
@Tenpindoctors
@Tenpindoctors 2 жыл бұрын
@@sctr1235 I actually mentioned what just said in part 1 here
@Tinke8
@Tinke8 2 жыл бұрын
Ramp bowling Pro here. Just watched the both videos and spotted major variable problem. 1st issue was in the ramp test that the pin should never be in the middle. If the core rolls already upwards, it's rolling dead. No position transformation and only the static weight makes it to turn. To properly use the static weight and core characteristics, the static weight should be centered and the pin should be where the static weight was. Just like with a regular hand shot. That way the core and LAYOUT matter. If you put the pin in 45 degrees compared to static weight, the motion is rounder and strong, and if you level them, the motion changes to longer but sharper. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/falohrhmtLavqWw.html Here's my proof of it.
@Nick.McIntyre
@Nick.McIntyre 2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping you'd chime in here. Great info
@Tinke8
@Tinke8 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nick.McIntyre if there's talking about Bowling with ramps, I'll be there ;)
@alexmerel9924
@alexmerel9924 2 жыл бұрын
No it doesnt
@dejabowler873
@dejabowler873 2 жыл бұрын
It only matters if its thrown slow not at normal speed
@StephRenee812
@StephRenee812 2 ай бұрын
Yoir son is so cute!
@joshg218
@joshg218 2 жыл бұрын
of course it matters.. symmetrical area designed to be even, but they arent 100% perfect, or their wouldnt be a center of gravity it would be balanced and infinite. it has to impact the ball, just not as much as we once noticed when we live in a world of asymetricals...
@psaunders300
@psaunders300 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Puts the "great debate" to rest, lol.
@21314927
@21314927 2 жыл бұрын
no it doesnt. noone throws undrilt balls, so test is useless
@psaunders300
@psaunders300 2 жыл бұрын
@@21314927 drilled balls react the same way, lol. Seen the part 2 video...?
@chrisbenner92
@chrisbenner92 2 жыл бұрын
This test is flawed since its an undrilled ball. No one throws a ball without any holes. Take 2 identical balls and drill them with the CG position is the only difference. Thumb and finger holes take a good chuck of mass out of a ball and core and has more effect on the ball after drilling than CG placement. There is other videos that shows that. #CGNoMadda #CGNoMatter
@scottythompson940
@scottythompson940 2 жыл бұрын
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@chrishuffman3030
@chrishuffman3030 2 жыл бұрын
Great video....I seen someone throw a ball with the cg above the bridge and one ball with below the bridge. There wasn't no noticeable difference in ball motion.
@Kawboy65
@Kawboy65 2 жыл бұрын
I was going through some old stuff not long ago and came across some drill instruction sheets from the late 1990's/2000 time frame. They sure seemed to put a lot of emphasis on CG placement back then.
@MrYuk-lm3xp
@MrYuk-lm3xp 2 жыл бұрын
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