Does the CG Even Matter on Symmetrical Bowling Balls? | Part 2

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@carljay8226
@carljay8226 2 жыл бұрын
to be honest i like the teaching JR Raymond best. ultra transparent and honest
@GuyL
@GuyL 2 жыл бұрын
Loved part one, thanks for part 2 and all the time and effort you put in. Cheers from Down under
@Alldayertexas
@Alldayertexas 2 жыл бұрын
Great video JR! I love the other gentleman joining and giving his two cents worth! Lol
@dillannewman8480
@dillannewman8480 2 жыл бұрын
Very much looking forward to part 3
@Kawboy65
@Kawboy65 2 жыл бұрын
This video series has the potential to be the best videos you've ever done. 👍
@BowlerXcom
@BowlerXcom 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe. There is a lot more to look at for sure
@surroundedbyjaggoffs
@surroundedbyjaggoffs 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks JR, I'm more confused now than I was before ! BTW your little boy is a hoot, enjoy him, while he's little , they grow up very fast! God bless!
@BowlerXcom
@BowlerXcom 2 жыл бұрын
It's meant to make you think and not just take what people say as 100%. there is more to come
@brandondriley
@brandondriley 2 жыл бұрын
Cool vid. Really surprised how much cg took effect regardless of the ball speed
@larrybrewer8385
@larrybrewer8385 8 ай бұрын
I would like to see you do this with the palm down simulating coming off your hand
@TheGeetarJoe
@TheGeetarJoe 2 жыл бұрын
JR, The ball at 8:12 is curving because the core is in a strong position at release. Watch the pin as it rolls down the lane; you can see the ball precessing as the core moves into a stable roll and then it flips as soon as it hits the dry. Conversely when you flip it around the core is in a more stable position and doesn’t flare as much. Once again watch the pin.
@shorty808100
@shorty808100 2 жыл бұрын
Odd you wouldn’t think it would make that much of a difference on a symmetric core
@Tinke8
@Tinke8 2 жыл бұрын
Just like I already said earlier, the layout matters ;) The speed has to be correlated with the revs, so if you've 400 rpm, the speed has to be over 20mp/h to overcome the reaction phase.
@Kawboy65
@Kawboy65 2 жыл бұрын
Is there going to be a future series about pin placement? I thought this video was going to show the UNDRILLED ball rolling down the lane with: 1) Pin pointed at the ceiling, 90 degrees 2) pin pointed towards the side, 0 degrees 3) pin pointed between the two, 45 degrees We know that the results would be, but it would still be interesting to see at slow speed like this CG demonstration.
@StephenLella
@StephenLella 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see you throw four balls, all with same pin locations, but CG at north, east, sound, and west. I think that revs, ball speed, axis tilt, and axis rotation will play a much bigger role (pun intended) on effects of the CG. Also, could you stick these two balls into one of those ball spinner machines that finds the ball's psa? I'd be curious if both balls have the same axis migration.
@nordattack
@nordattack 2 жыл бұрын
Next test: Drill two balls based on "your" pap. Put your favorite layout on them. But, locate the CG on opposite sides again. Align the balls on the ramp so they roll down "over your ball track." In this way the full dynamics of the core and layout come into play but you are now seeing if the CG location helps or hurts the layout by being on opposite sides. My guess is putting the CG on the side where it will help the ball drive left will make a big difference and will still make a difference at any ball speed. At slow speed the CG combined with the layout will drive the ball quickly into the left gutter, but at normal speeds will give you more drive through the rack.
@l.lboogie7049
@l.lboogie7049 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. This question besides speed is pin placement for bowler
@BowlerXcom
@BowlerXcom 2 жыл бұрын
yes the question is do we see less difference with short pins or long pins? lots of questions but I think this will keep it simple
@ryansuter6993
@ryansuter6993 2 жыл бұрын
Is Part 3 out?
@shawnspivey9650
@shawnspivey9650 Ай бұрын
throw the ball
@Kawboy65
@Kawboy65 2 жыл бұрын
CG matters, if you want your ball to pass inspection. 😆
@kennyjones4561
@kennyjones4561 2 жыл бұрын
Throw them under hand. You’re a pro, you can keep the ball rolling straight and control the speed
@scottythompson940
@scottythompson940 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video talk Brunswick igniter soild realaitvy soild more strike and spares at time
@joshg218
@joshg218 2 жыл бұрын
At a certain speed nothing matters, so we have to put that into consideration. We also have to put into consideration how much of a difference matters. We are talking 0.2-0.3 boards at the pins at 17-20mph and probably 0.3-0.5 at 14mph. So does it matter, 100%. Is anyone gaining a real advantage over someone else gaining 0.2-0.5 boards when you are hooking the ball across the lane, probably not. If it changed the consistency of the balls dynamics, then it would be on the manufacturers to make them closer to spec. In the end the difference isn't enough to really worry about
@BowlerXcom
@BowlerXcom 2 жыл бұрын
If it results in one extra strike in every 3 games does that matter? I'd say yes. how many cuts have people missed by 10 pins or less? and what if that strike came on a double? every little bit helps.
@joshg218
@joshg218 2 жыл бұрын
I love the science of bowling. As a huge math and science geek who loved bowling, people discussing these types of things are very exciting. As a kid growing up, no one understood or asked questions. If you did, no one had answers that made any sense or could answer you with any certainties.
@Kawboy65
@Kawboy65 2 жыл бұрын
CG doen't "matter" in ball reaction anymore (or maybe "matters much less" is more appropriate) because the effect of the core is so much stronger that it overcomes the imbalance created by the static weights. On a pancake weight block, it absolutely matters.
@decadude8968
@decadude8968 2 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna take a guess and say it stops mattering at about 15mph and doesn't make a difference above that. Starting at 15mph and slowing it down more and more, the greater the difference. Just my guess though
@dragoon1205
@dragoon1205 2 жыл бұрын
Found this video to be a little annoying with all the interuptions
@BowlerXcom
@BowlerXcom 2 жыл бұрын
Not every video will please every person
@jtkingpin
@jtkingpin 2 жыл бұрын
A ramp to make the ball travel faster is not going to help you. The ball will have to travel down a longer slope to achieve a higher speed so the two balls would not travel the same distance. Plus the 2 balls at any speed would do the same thing demonstrated while in a roll. If thrown by someone the ball will be skidding so completely different.
@GraysonandJoey
@GraysonandJoey 2 жыл бұрын
Just ask Alex Hoskins……..
@victorbogen1558
@victorbogen1558 2 жыл бұрын
JR have u tested the ball called payback by Andrew Anderson he said it a ball that gonna aloud u to play stright right on the 3 arrow for a long time amd not over hook on u when the oil pattern gets real heavy
@BowlerXcom
@BowlerXcom 2 жыл бұрын
yes we did the review for that ball as well. definitely a great symmetric piece of equipment!
@johnstreetz4831
@johnstreetz4831 2 жыл бұрын
Can't you throw them about 10 mph up 10 and see that they do?
@Kawboy65
@Kawboy65 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't it be wild if you determined that CG doesn't matter around 17.5 -18.0 MPH? So it would matter for about half of your customer bowlers but not the others. 😂
@dylanfry7978
@dylanfry7978 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah that would be pretty cool. As most people dont throw that fast lol. Be neat to find out, i only throw the ball around 14mph. And even guys that throw pretty fast only hit like 17 mph.
@jimward278
@jimward278 2 жыл бұрын
kris prather did the same test with a 900 global ball he bowled a game with it and shot 220 with it. maybe u should do the same thing
@dejabowler873
@dejabowler873 2 жыл бұрын
Actually throw them the ramp is stupid any ball will hook when thrown slow
@lyndcason7516
@lyndcason7516 2 жыл бұрын
Too many tiny variations possible in the way you're testing. Especially at slow speeds. Just throw those two balls 6-8 tones each at varying speeds
@user-sy7cn8zx5h
@user-sy7cn8zx5h 2 жыл бұрын
포크볼 샷을해보시죠.포크래인의 앞부분의 구부러진 손모양 처럼.팔로슬루때 손목을 20도나 30도정도로 구부려놓고 침.그구부려진 손모양이 브래이크 죤까지 유지해줌. 야구의 포크볼.
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