The comments are going to be diabolical with everyone’s font opinions and I am so here for it 🍿 Thanks for understanding while I took a little break, I’m back with monthly uploads!
@DoctorX173 жыл бұрын
Comic Sans doesn't deserve all the hate
@cass83303 жыл бұрын
I thought the serifs on a font were supposed to improve one's comprehension of the material, wherever I got this information from.. it didn't mention reading speed. I know handwriting helps our comprehension & recall, especially cursive handwriting for some reason. Off topic, but want to mention anyway: My handwriting is absolutely terrible but I feel like, even if it's illegible when I read it later.. just the fact I was made more conscious of the notes I made (due to writing by hand) that's helped my comprehension & recall.. to a degree... depending on the time passed before I've looked over those notes again.. 😅 ..I mean it seems to help 'seal it in my mind' at the moment I'm taking the notes anyway & I've my own crude version of shorthand (I'm sorry about the terrible grammar).
@drewdavidson6633 жыл бұрын
You admit font size has the most effect but then don't calibrate for the size difference between fonts. Of course you like cosmic better, it's 3.5 characters longer than TNR at the beginning.
@raulremesalvanmerode44583 жыл бұрын
I love how this video is about something you never really think about. Somehow you can make such an ordinary thing as fonts sound so interesting, great video!
@LupinoArts3 жыл бұрын
One factor you didn't say anything about is text length: For shorter texts (say, no more than a hanfull of pages) sans serif fonts may be more comprehensible, but take a 600 page novel completely typeset in a sans serif font, and compare it to the same novel typeset in any serif font. In my experience (i work as a professional typesetter and layout programmer) sans serif fonts are more exhausting over longer texts than sans serif fonts. Although, i cannot name any studies that prove this observation scientificly.
@ukrdima3 жыл бұрын
Don't care about serif vs sans-serif. The only thing is for sure: fonts where uppercase "i" and lowercase "L" look the same should be banned by the Geneva human rights convention.
@LilliD33 жыл бұрын
The first comment I can agree with
@patchworkivy3 жыл бұрын
Yup yup
@TheButlerNZ3 жыл бұрын
Ill get right on that...
@ThePerfectKiosk3 жыл бұрын
Same goes for the letter O and the number 0. We have the technology to make zero look like a zero and not an O.
@PinkishPlant3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Preach!
@katm21403 жыл бұрын
I'm a chemistry teacher. The MOST important aspect of a font for me is having I and l look VERY different. Identifying Cl (chlorine) rather than CI (carbon and iodine) is very difficult for beginning students without a clear font.
@pamm80203 жыл бұрын
Former physics teacher and I absolutely agree. In Times New Roman you know exactly what every letter is. Now that I'm retired and my eyesight has gone to crap, size totally matters. Also, for readability, spacing matters as well. I use a Kindle and can set the font, the size, and the spacing. It has made all the difference for me.
@Kenionatus3 жыл бұрын
It's the same for programming. A very clear distinction between O and 0 is also very important. On the other hand, programming fonts are not very good for general writing because they are monospace. Each letter should take up an equal amount of width for the spacing to look identical with every font.
@radimnechut5193 жыл бұрын
One thing related to your point I have not yet seen in this comment section is having a standard. She began the video with how she was writting a research paper. It is very useful for those to use, as with well-defined terms and grammar, a standard font style + font size. It is not only I and l, O and 0, but the mathematical operators, indexes and such. It is essential to mutual understanding, which is in turn itself essential in scientific community.
@isray893 жыл бұрын
Former physics/chemistry teacher and current PhD student in statistics - I could not agree more.
@isray893 жыл бұрын
@@Kenionatus If I had a dollar for every time I've cried over coding in R only to find out that I mistook a 0 for a o or a - for a ~ I could pay off my student loans!
@jtc19473 жыл бұрын
TIMES NEW ROMAN makes a difference between the upper-case "I" and the lower-case "l"
@DanielGonzalez-nr6ic3 жыл бұрын
Courier new también.
@dickottel3 жыл бұрын
in Times l looks like 1 😄
@felipevillalba93113 жыл бұрын
@@DanielGonzalez-nr6ic Also*
@lianadupuich90693 жыл бұрын
@@felipevillalba9311 also = también
@majejejenta3 жыл бұрын
Many fonts do lol
@NikolausUndRupprecht3 жыл бұрын
There is one aspect that was totally missed as an argument in this video: Times covers almost any character there is. When you are writing academic texts, Latin characters get constantly interrupted with Greek characters, the whole thing needs to be in harmony with mathematical expressions and there are also many author names with strange diacritical marks. Times has you covered. There is almost nothing that cannot be typeset in Times. Sans serif fonts on the other hand … well, that is an adventures journey along all those empty spaces in the character table that aren’t occupied. You may think of Times as boring typeface, but it is nevertheless the most advanced typeface in terms of available characters.
@0hermitworm3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. And the video also didn't distinguish between print and screen. As a designer I was taught that Times New Roman is easier to read in print because the serifs help to lead the eye to the next letter. Additionally Times New Roman in its full glory uses different spacing between letters to make them easier to read. So an 'i' next to an 'm' is different from an 'i' next to an 'o'. On screens these advantages go away so it becomes easier to read with sans serif fonts like Arial. Without differentiating between print and screen, much of the information in this video feels out of context. Not that I don't agree we should be using a larger font size no matter what font you're using. I try to stick to at least 14pt.
@hotjanuary3 жыл бұрын
@@0hermitworm I increase font size and make the paragraphs into narrow columns for personal reading (to increase speed). Yay, ePubs! So convenient. I dread opening up PDF documents.
@2GoatsInATrenchCoat3 жыл бұрын
Yes, this video was actually disappointingly uninformative. It seems like they were stretching the video out with excessive examples just to hit the 10 minute mark.
@Jivvi3 жыл бұрын
That's been true of pretty much every true type font since the '90s, because of Unicode, and it's definitely true of Arial and Calibri.
@fredneecher17463 жыл бұрын
@@Jivvi Two missing factors in this video: 1) the choice of font will depend on the nature of the text; i.e., is it a brief newspaper story in short columns, or a long novel? 2) speed is not the only criterion of readability; there are also clarity and affect (aesthetics) to consider. This in turn refers back to point 1), which is the most important criterion when considering anything - what's it for?
@awesomenessiscool3 жыл бұрын
Clearly the best font for both reading speed and legibility is wingdings
@Desimcd3 жыл бұрын
👏🏼😂🤣
@SteveJB3 жыл бұрын
You sir/madam, are aptly named.
@lizdierdorf3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@RonaldoLuizPedroso3 жыл бұрын
Seconded
@paulcasanova19093 жыл бұрын
I couldnt read this, you didnt write it in wingdings
@tematrixmayhem3 жыл бұрын
You forgot one important fact. Times new roman was created to use less ink while printing to reduce printing cost in newspapers.
@robertcoogan64213 жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@austenl433 жыл бұрын
Interesting. That's probably also the main reason I dislike it; it's too thin (i.e. hard to read). Professors like to demand papers in it because it's smaller than other fonts and they wouldn't want students to get around their obnoxious minimum page requirements! Quantity > quality according to the professors I guess, eh?
@adityasixviandyj73343 жыл бұрын
yeah, that's too... due thinness is use less ink, but when you try print it, Times New Roman always be thicker due ink bleed. I think I remember original Times New Roman font is thinner than what we use in Digital version. also fun fact, when I was in Internship program in design & print agency, I learn that many printer seller use Times New Roman as benchmark of sharpness, how sharp their text are in smaller point when using Times New Roman. but somehow, Times New Roman is look thick compared to other stylish thin serif font, and thinner than thick serif font.
@luckydal20593 жыл бұрын
Interesting!
@krunkle51363 жыл бұрын
Oof
@graemebdh21723 жыл бұрын
So much this didn’t cover and one major aspect is space. Designed for newspapers Times New Roman takes up less space than other fonts - and less sheets of paper when printing out dissertations - or don’t people do that any more!
@tinad85613 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I’m a technical editor-I read exactly the same text every day in TNR on paper and in Arial in interactive courseware. When you get blocks of text, TNR is much easier to follow-the serifs create a linear connection at the base of the word that helps keep the eye from flickering up and down between lines. Arial is cleaner visually, but much harder to eyeball for things like alignment, and a headache if you’ve got 300 words on a page, every page. This video ignores the fact that ALL fonts are tools designed to do specific jobs-some catch attention, but are lousy for volumes of text; some align better when printing manually; some are easier to replicate clearly on lower resolution screens; some are designed for the printed page and high word counts. Which one you as a reader “like” is irrelevant.
@AnHebrewChild3 жыл бұрын
Times also carries with it a tone conveying “confidence” and “authority.” No?
@gwahli96203 жыл бұрын
When a font takes up less space, then you might be able to use a bigger size of it and still get the same number of pages. And a bigger font size helps readability the most as was said in the video. Of course aesthetics are usually weighted over readability as can be inferred by the almost universal preference of block set over left aligned.
@Sk0lzky3 жыл бұрын
Yeah we do and the requirements are usually per page not per character so the need to use TNR hurts lazy ass master's candidates >
@Sk0lzky3 жыл бұрын
@@gwahli9620 you can't in hyperstandardised world of academia :(
@hangarflying3 жыл бұрын
You overlooked the entire core of the discussion: the medium upon which the font is going to be read-screen or print. I would hazard a guess that the reason your research paper was asked to be reformatted to TNR is because it was likely to be printed out at some point.
@elanthys3 жыл бұрын
This! I'm 7+ minutes in and this very important distinction hasn't yet been mentioned even once. Unfortunately that doesn't speak well for the rest of the "research" of the video, nor its value. Disappointing.
@Exelius3 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Medium matters a lot and the perfect example is Arial: perfectly readable in almost any screen size and resolution, but almost unreadable in paper.
@carlosandleon3 жыл бұрын
@@Exelius what about Calibri?
@DarkPulsaterLiteGear3 жыл бұрын
@@Exelius Except for the lowercase L and Uppercase I. (lIlIlI)
@umetnikmina3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe a billboard, which usually has giant letters , or packaging, which has fonts as tiny as 4 or 5 pt
@EulerFink3 жыл бұрын
I only hate fonts where "I" and "l" are equal. The first is an uppercase "i", the second a lowercase "L". So yeah, I hate the comment section font.
@GRBtutorials3 жыл бұрын
They’re not equal, though, if you look closely you can see that the lowercase “L” is slightly taller than the uppercase “i”: Il (“iL”). But yeah, they’re so close there might as well be no difference. Still, I don’t see that being a problem except in some specific contexts...
@horyer86843 жыл бұрын
I was confused about this comment for a moment but then i remember that androids can change their fonts and the font that im using is 'SamsungOne' and the I and l is different as l (lowercase of L) has a slight tail(?) so it's not hard for me to read it. Though i remember choosing this font specifically because it gives me the same neat feeling as the font on iphone.
@EulerFink3 жыл бұрын
@@GRBtutorials my second name is Ilich, I know there's a slight difference, but don't expect others to notice and write it right. Of course, that's not the only reason.
@EulerFink3 жыл бұрын
@@horyer8684 I liked this detail in the font that differentiates the letters.
@horyer86843 жыл бұрын
@@EulerFink yes i never realized the importance of that small detail until i found your comment.
@besmart3 жыл бұрын
At least we can all agree that papyrus belongs nowhere
@arachnid333 жыл бұрын
Noooo papyrus is the coolest!!!
@ghosthusler3 жыл бұрын
It belongs on The Avatar poster! *Ryan Gosling screaming*
@legal0403 жыл бұрын
I happen to think it belongs EVERYWHERE
@ornessarhithfaeron35763 жыл бұрын
NYEH HEH HEH! PUNY HUMAN. YOU ARE NO MATCH FOR THE GREAT PAPYRUS.
@johnwalker10583 жыл бұрын
What about a school project on ancient Egypt?
@greggrobinson51163 жыл бұрын
I often change fonts when I'm writing, just for variation. Of course I reformat the whole piece in a legit font once I'm done, but changing fonts can subtly change my mood and style and give me fresh eyes.
@monkiram3 жыл бұрын
I also write in my preferred font and then change it to the font required right before I submit, but I never thought to change fonts as I was writing. That's a fun idea
@jennischindler3 жыл бұрын
This is a lovely idea. I’ve been struggling to keep myself writing lately so I’m going to give this a go.
@umetnikmina3 жыл бұрын
My friend suggested to me that when I need to White something, I use Comic Sans and then change it to what it should be, and it's actually helped me
@durdleduc8520 Жыл бұрын
i've definitely heard the fact before that changing the size, color, and font of a text makes it easier to spot mistakes you'd been glossing over because the stimulus is novel.
@hiyalanguages Жыл бұрын
Same!
@fernandoerbin67513 жыл бұрын
Arial is like beige, it's the most vanilla of fonts, the essence of blandness in font form.
@siewheilou3992 жыл бұрын
So blocky, stiffy and just ugly.
@jamesheartney9546 Жыл бұрын
Arial is a bastardization of Helvetica, one of the most elegant and subtle fonts ever designed. By contrast, Arial is a clumsy knockoff. Very sad that anyone would think of Arial as an avatar of sans-serif typography.
@Graphomite Жыл бұрын
@@jamesheartney9546 Arial is an avatar of sans-serif typography because it's accessible, which makes it practical, unlike Helvetica, whose owning company continues to aggrandize and hoard its font like linecaster printing presses are still a hot commodity.
@amicaaranearum Жыл бұрын
Arial is just Dollar Store Helvetica.
@mrlowkey3 жыл бұрын
I had a physics professor in college who exclusively used Comic Sans
@braincraft3 жыл бұрын
A true visionary
@novai44733 жыл бұрын
my human anatomy professor's lecture slides were ALL in comic sans 🤧
@anse72883 жыл бұрын
My school uses comic sans in the text of official documents
@julian_hesse3 жыл бұрын
@@anse7288 I wouldn't take these documents serious with comics sans :D
@ML-qe7ml3 жыл бұрын
I know of at least one textbook company whose prepackaged slides were written in Comic Sans
@nickbarton31913 жыл бұрын
These days, I'm happy just to receive email with punctuation, paragraphs and without spelling mistakes.
@soonyanaidu78753 жыл бұрын
Well said sir.
@scottslotterbeck37963 жыл бұрын
And personal letters. When was the last time you got a handwritten letter? From grandma, I'll bet!
@scottslotterbeck37963 жыл бұрын
@@nickbarton3191 Meant in general about grandparents. No, no one writes letters anymore. Lucky to get a birthday text from the kids
@nickbarton31913 жыл бұрын
@@scottslotterbeck3796 One of my colleagues never gets the correct spelling of... there they're their Usually he write "thier" in every case. Drives me bonkers!
@scottslotterbeck37963 жыл бұрын
@@nickbarton3191 spell check
@JB-td4ei3 жыл бұрын
Remember the early 1990’s when MS Word first came out and every flyer looked like a ransom letter because people used a different font for every line? 🤣🤣
@mariapaulagl3 жыл бұрын
Been there
@belkyhernandez82813 жыл бұрын
Lol
@davidwuhrer67043 жыл бұрын
Topaz8
@redmaple19823 жыл бұрын
I think that's why TNR was loved by schools it was a way of telling students to "not go crazy"
@garvingaskin66543 жыл бұрын
My preference is Verdana because 1, uppercase "I" and lower case "l" are all sufficiently different.
@elanthys3 жыл бұрын
Verdana is excellent for screen content and extremely legible at smaller sizes in my experience. There was a period of a few years in the mid-2000's where I used it everywhere...
@MaoRatto2 жыл бұрын
Arial just needs to go to hell.
@noisycarlos3 жыл бұрын
I deliver everything in Impact. Sure, I spend a lot on ink, but everything looks like a meme.
@liquidkey82043 жыл бұрын
100% respect.
@maenadofdionysus65243 жыл бұрын
This is great
@forthrightgambitia10323 жыл бұрын
Thanks for solving the font problem.
@audiofile83113 жыл бұрын
it's called impact for a reason
@Reverend_Salem3 жыл бұрын
bold impact
@alanwilson1753 жыл бұрын
I write a lot of technical papers, and distinction between I, l, and 1 is important, also the distinction between O and 0. Serif fonts like TNR are better for the distinction.
@shoshishoshi1273 жыл бұрын
I agree.
@kpunkt.klaviermusik3 жыл бұрын
It would be so much easier if numbers were generally written in *bold* - independant of the font. Or just the numbers in a special font.
@christophvonpezold46993 жыл бұрын
Hard Agree. Also, because I'm a sadist, have yourself an Il. One of those is an "i" and one is an "L" but you'll never know which
@caroline100813 жыл бұрын
For l, l and 1, Comic Sans is more readable than Times New Roman. Type designers should put the top and bottom bars on their sans serfi's capital i's to improve readability. The bars are part of the letter, not serifs. Verdana is one sans serif font where it is easy to tell a capital i from l
@christophvonpezold46993 жыл бұрын
@khandwa style … I… I had never noticed that… thank you so, so much. Now I can finally tell the difference on sans serif fonts. Despite the research and despite this though, I stand by this: ALL HAIL TIMES NEW ROMAN
@migrantfamily3 жыл бұрын
In the assessment of niche fonts, did anyone factor in familiarity as a factor? Intuitively, a familiar font will be more conducive to quick and correct recognition than an unfamiliar font, however well designed, will.
@vigilantcosmicpenguin87213 жыл бұрын
You have a point. I think OpenDyslexic looks ugly, but that's probably just because I haven't seen it.
@monkiram3 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking to. Some fonts might just be easier to read simply because we're forced to use them in everything. It's like a positive feedback loop and self-fulfilling prophecy
@sambird875810 ай бұрын
@@monkiram except the video mentioned that type ;) of research and the familiarity/preference does not seem to make a difference. Really weird fonts would likely tip the scales I suspect.
@antonina83373 жыл бұрын
2:14 Sounds like an idea for the next Pixar movie. What if letters had feelings? What if fonts had feelings? When will we hear the story of the letter I, so mistreated by the Pixar lamp?
@biaquerferias3 жыл бұрын
Never get near a Pixar studio
@berlineczka3 жыл бұрын
As an academic, I'd like to add a few more reasons why TNR is so prevalent: 1) It is basically universal. There are special signs for basically every langauge, so your citation of e.g. Dvořák wouldn't suddenly have the ř and á in a different font than the rest of the word. It will also work on any computer with any writing software, so it is universally accessible, no matter the tongue your computer operates in. 2) It is narrow, so it saves space. My PhD thesis was 330 pages in Calibri and 293 in TNR. Just by switching the font I saved on printing a few hunded pages. The same goes for students. Maybe you safe a page or two on your seminar paper, but it will add up. 3) Because it is so prevalent, it became the standard. I can usually judge just by the lenght of the paper if it is the required word count, if it is in TNR. 4) I also read it fast, because I am used to read it, so it is familiar. It is not my favourite font, but it is a font I know well, so I read it fast. And since I have a lot of papers to grade, every second counts.
@ThundersLeague3 жыл бұрын
Point 2 is why I made sure to pick the widest font possible for my BSc thesis that needed minimum 40 pages.
@SimonWoodburyForget3 жыл бұрын
1) This is completely incorrect. The font that works on your computer is related to whether you have it installed. The font is installed by the software you use or by yourself. This in turn is used by the graphics font rendering software. If you're writing a document in HTML, then you can inject whatever hell type of font you want, by downloading it straight into the computer as the page get's rendered. It is incorrect to say that a font will work for everyone, because text is not written in English, it's written in UTF8 or some other common binary encoding, which is then converted locally by your computer into some supported font. If the font isn't found, then the computer substitutes another, assuming your software is capable of doing assuming such things, which is usually the case. 2) It's really not that narrow and your computer has virutally infinite amount of horizontal and virtical scroll space, so saying it's narrow is not saying much, and only means that you may need to actually increase the size of the text in order to read it. The ability to print less pages is a neat party trick, but really this is a defect of your old habits and nothing else. 3) I'm not entirely sure you understand how to use computers, again not judging, but a computer will give you the word count in seconds... let's take a simple example, your text here contains... 211 words... depending on how you define _word_ obviously, and this was as simply as openning up a terminal and copy pasting your text into a python string, and then doing _text.split(" ")_ which is to say, less then 30 seconds. 4) Assuming you had a computer, you would read it even faster, because you would be able to increase the size, and increase the readability. Assuming you didn't print to paper, you would be able to control f search for previous things you've read to cross-refarence. Assuming you didn't print it to paper, you wouldn't even need to read it, and could just control f search for what you need. I would recommend using LaTeX instead of Words, or even better, to just switch to a plain text format like Org mode or Markdown, because then you don't endup needlessly depending on fonts and document rendering, and especially how it gets rendered to paper.
@BrownCookieBoy3 жыл бұрын
Saves a ton of ink
@Aragorn4503 жыл бұрын
@@SimonWoodburyForget Clearly you're not understanding the medium... @berlinezka is talking about printed documents in TNR. Not ones that are on the computer. So it DOES matter what the width of the font is to save printed paper and it DOES make it easier to know if it's got the required number of words, etc... Also, while you CAN get another font downloaded for web use, you CAN'T with a document in most cases. The user has to have the font already installed. So using a common one like TNR, Arial, Calibri, etc means it's less likely the user won't be trying to view the document in a font that you don't prefer. And having every web page have its own font is kinda crazy in terms of additional bandwidth. Especially for those areas that are still fairly internet limited.
@Gorgonops_SSF3 жыл бұрын
@@SimonWoodburyForget Per 1: Not all fonts are designed to support multiple languages. Furthermore, requiring additional downloads is itself a barrier to accessibility which requires persistent access to a given font type (ie. it's good only so long as that download source is). For style guides this is not ideal. The more work you put in front of a user to maintain compliance the more likely that at some point in the process a mistake is made or you exceed the current knowledge base of said user. To put that more simply, requiring, say, students to download an additional font for homework is just a pain in the ass that some may struggle to perform; with the bias against those with more limited access to tech now or while growing up. Ie. any economically disadvantaged demographic. Protip: don't do that. This applies less in professional circles (where tech familiarity is essential) but you're still left with the "pain in the ass" dynamic for submitting manuscripts in an irregular font if THAT'S what you specify. In general if you're going to specify a font for a style guide pick one that is universal across dominant word processors. Simply being installable doesn't meet the criterion. Use what you want for your own purposes and writing but if you're going to specify a common font for the sake of standardization then TNR is a perfectly fine choice (per Coronel-Beltrán & Álvarez-Borrego 2009, Arditi & Cho 2005, Bernard et al. 2003. The theme in this research is that [general use] font types have limited repeatable impacts, if any.)
@aquelegabriel3 жыл бұрын
I'm still waiting for the reason to stop using times new roman.
@EH238313 жыл бұрын
Cos it’s boring! 😁
@aquelegabriel3 жыл бұрын
@@EH23831 it's a font. It's supposed to be boring. The things the letters spell are the ones that should not be boring. If you work with marketing, sure, use not boring fonts. For a book? A scientific paper? Newspaper? Use a boring font.
@trenchcoatdoggo51853 жыл бұрын
Because Perpetua is better than TNR...
@fredneecher17463 жыл бұрын
I guess you should ask the people who you want to read your stuff.
@aquelegabriel3 жыл бұрын
@@fredneecher1746 if you write to a small group of people, use the font you like. The font will not change much. If you are going to write to a big group of people, then use a boring font, unless you are writing a marketing stuff (a billboard, the name on the cereal box, etc).
@rogerhuggettjr.76753 жыл бұрын
I feel like Times looks more professional. Ariel seems less "authoritative."
@tommj43653 жыл бұрын
Arial is doller store Helvetica
@jagyansenipruthal67033 жыл бұрын
Exactlyyyy
@agsup3 жыл бұрын
@@tommj4365 Funnily enough, Monotype literally had it made to be interchangeable with Helvetica but without the need for an expensive licence, so you're absolutely right. You may have already known that tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@hughcaldwell10343 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much of that is cause and how much is effect. As in, was it designed and chosen to appeal to some subconscious process that makes us think of it as authoritative, or do we think of it that way because it became ubiquitous in professional, prestigious and parliamentary publications?
@agsup3 жыл бұрын
@@hughcaldwell1034 My guess would be that it's more of how it's viewed in today's context. Most don't like Arial because of its differences to Helvetica. Meanwhile, Helvetica has become somewhat of a Silicon Valley designer font used for nearly everything to look like what we consider "modern". Because of this, Arial feels like the "cheapened" version (because it is, to an extent). I think Helvetica might shift into a role of traditional professionalism as more people get used to the returning ubiquity of Helvetica. I mean, Helvetica used to be the default font for instruction manuals and stuff, to my knowledge anyway. I think the main reason for TNR's relevance is that it's been renewed and conserved for so long. Watched a Linus Boman vid (that I can link if you want) that talked briefly about TNR's history and origins. Fascinating topic imo
@bsgaming37733 жыл бұрын
0:08 Time out. You didn't start with the fonts at the same size. Additionally the bottom one is bolded to begin with. You are leading the audience through the presentation.
@naddd7308 Жыл бұрын
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@agathoklesmartinios84143 жыл бұрын
"Arial is a millennial" I can already hear Times New Roman bitching about how Arial is ruining the font industry.
@joluoto3 жыл бұрын
But TNR is Silent Gen so they won't.
@iGame3D3 жыл бұрын
LoL
@marcohidalgo11013 жыл бұрын
Calibri: hold my beer
@Doomscrollingalong3 жыл бұрын
The problem I have with Ariel is the capital ‘I’ (shown here because I don’t know how to change the fonts on my phone😝😊). This is very difficult for folk with learning disabilities and those at the beginning stages of learning English. For that alone I don’t think we should use it.
@ckyung13123 жыл бұрын
Noiiiice.
@nonpareil79513 жыл бұрын
I’m so used to typing in Times New Roman for school work that typing in anything else feels kind of distracting. Reading text in Times New Roman puts me in a more “academic” mindset compared to the sans serif fonts I usually see looking at the internet. I don’t think it’s inherent to the features of the font, it’s just what I’m used to, but I do also find it aesthetically pleasing.
@hijodelaisla2753 жыл бұрын
I tell my students to use Palatino. It's similar to TNR but less compact and, to my eye, easier to read.
@bennri3 жыл бұрын
It's also the default HTML rendering font. It conveys that the author focused on the content more than the appearance.
@workin4alivin5853 жыл бұрын
You are correct. Times New Roman feels formal. It is for serious writing. ...at least that how my brain has been trained to perceive it. The other fonts are for casual or marketing purposes.
@truckerdaddy-akajohninqueb47933 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree
@williamjones71633 жыл бұрын
@@bennri Or that the author has no concept of how the typeface can affect the messaging of your text. HELP written in Brush Script can appear less serious than HELP written in Bodoni Bold Italic.
@joshuahill36183 жыл бұрын
Q1: Times New Roman was the easiest of the three for me to read. So I stopped watching video after that.
@slippytiger3 жыл бұрын
As a dyslexic person i would wish people stoped using my learning learning disability to justify horrific ascetics.
@cuttwice39053 жыл бұрын
The main reason a professor would insist that everybody use the same font is to avoid prejudice about fonts.
@j.s.73353 жыл бұрын
Excellent point! I never thought of this.
@ldbarthel3 жыл бұрын
And Times New Roman is commonly available, so you're not locking into specific platforms or versions. Ah, for the days when our choices were Courier, Elite, or Prestige....
@geoffreyburks44633 жыл бұрын
Y'know I think your onto something.
@paavobergmann49203 жыл бұрын
No, it´s about having to read and assess dozens of theses, papers and stuff, and if ppl send in *.doc with their favourite personal, super-weird exotic font that you don´t have, your PC will set it to a default font and totally screw up the formatting. Therefore, you request everything to be sent in Times New, because that is installed on every PC, so you know you see exactly what the student saw when she/he sent it. Edit: If it is about a finished product that you want to present, either in print or PDF, that´s a different story ( e.g., we had no formatting rules for our doctoral thesis, except that the first 2 pages had to be very specifically accurate in what is on them, but there where no restrictions towards fonts, whatsoever), but for a text that several people have to work on, so it is sent back and forth between different machines, maybe even machines running different systems, it is absolutely crucial to agree on something that 100% works on every machine. Weird things happen if a formatted text is sent to a machine that can´t process the formatting. Btw, if you submit a paper, most publishers require the manuscript to be sent in TNR, 12pt, because that is something everyone can deliver, all the reviewers can read it, and the publisher can parse it through an automated system to format the final proof in the journal´s own style. So you get used to it.
@ignb94313 жыл бұрын
Also, some fonts take more room, so standard font, size, and margins were typically given when I was going if the assignment was by the page.
@ajrockets33373 жыл бұрын
I like Times New Roman because you can easily tell the difference between "I"(capital i) and "l"(lower case L). The serifs help distinguish these two when you need precision for data entry.
@buzzkill46233 жыл бұрын
yep..i j l u v are the problematic letters. TNR handles it clearly
@JanMaynz3 жыл бұрын
Comic Sans also distinguishes the two. It's a sans serif font. It's not the lack of serifs that's the problem, it's whoever the heck decided that capital i doesn't need anything to distinguish it from lowercase L, and somehow made that concept popular.
@caroline100813 жыл бұрын
@@JanMaynz Verdana is another sans serif fonts where the capital i has top and bottom bars. Both Comic Sans and Verdana are very readable. Whenever I open a reading app, I increase white space and choose a sans serif font.
@bxdanny3 жыл бұрын
@@JanMaynz Technically, the bars on the I are serifs, so I guess someone decided that a "pure" sans-serif font shouldn't have them. But it creates too much confusion, so an otherwise sans-serif font like Comic Sans, that has the bars on the "I" but no other serifs, makes sense. Get rid of the deliberate pseudo-handwritten irregularities and it would be a very nice font.
@jonnaosborne18323 жыл бұрын
Also better for reading italics. There is hardly any difference in regular and italics in Arial.
@clewismessina66303 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised Simon Garfield’s book, ‘Just My Type’, didn’t get a mention. He covers this, historic typeface development as well the bizarre, comical and fascinating stories behind some of their creators. One of the best reads on fonts and typefaces you’ll find. Personal preference for day-to-day communication by computer screen: Helvetica.
@lcirocco3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it's like ones taste in music: whatever font you're exposed to early and frequently you 'aquire' a taste for
@borissman3 жыл бұрын
The more subjective a subject is, the more opinionated people become.
@jackielinde75683 жыл бұрын
"Says You!" (Hehehe... Couldn't help myself.)
@LRataplan3 жыл бұрын
I think that's a bit of a cop-out to ignore facts and research, and more importantly, one of those facts is that readability is a choice you make for others. So font selection should by definition NOT be about YOUR opinion, not if you want to be read. Also, missing in the video are "in-font" size and kerning, both massively influential. I much prefer e.g. Garamond to TNR, both serifs but Garamond letters are much bigger and wider, and, I expect, more readable. These non-Microsoft days I find myself drawn to Noto Serif, of similar advantage and in my recollection, also spaced wider. Just sayin': there is a TON of research that can be done and pointing at 'preference' and 'opinion' this quickly is just dumb. But the bottom line is that while I hate comic sans, I'll use it if my audience calls for it.
@reneeedwards98583 жыл бұрын
@@LRataplan go touch grass
@LRataplan3 жыл бұрын
@@reneeedwards9858 Any particular reason? Or are you too lazy to read, but really want to be obnoxious?
@clairee49393 жыл бұрын
@@reneeedwards9858 😮😀 I'm using that expression from now on its fantastic.
@OrchestrationOnline3 жыл бұрын
Hi there BrainCraft! I work with fonts frequently as a composer, author, and graphic designer (in that order). While this is a great video, I feel that there's a huge missing piece to the argument: medium. Sans serif fonts are spectacular on computer screens, because the lighting is artificial and usually equal in all respects. Serif fonts are better for printing on paper because that's a different kind of lighting. Traditional book reading is helped by serif fonts, because they don't strain the eyes and one can grasp large chunks of sentences and even paragraphs as one tears through a book. On the other hand, sans serif fonts in a standard paper book have a kind of cheap, forgettable quality to them. I have several books in sans serif font, and they are definitely harder on the eye to read for many hours. Printed on white paper with a lot of glare, they become positively painful in a way that serif fonts are not.
@xxportalxx.3 жыл бұрын
I could see this, I found using sansserif font whole programming was easier on my eyes
@kimmybrandt3 жыл бұрын
Yes exactly. Before watching the video I was assuming this would be the main argument. That the reason we should stop using Times is because everything is switching from print to electronic blah blah.
@Uncle_T3 жыл бұрын
What OP says definitely.
@ManuelLopez-zq9up3 жыл бұрын
I agree, I thouched this point in my answer, too, becaause I prefer different fonts for different mediums, even when they are digital (reading an eBook versus using a spreadsheet....)
@orderscc3 жыл бұрын
And would a Kindle Paperwhite (which uses e-ink, and retains the image until refresh) work like paper or screen? It's a screen, but it seems to me to be more like reading on paper (so it won't keep one up if read late at night).
@Bergodin3 жыл бұрын
When it comes to technical writing, the choice of font matters. You need to be able to tell the difference between the 1-I-i-L-l. I use Tahoma for everything because you can tell the difference between these characters.
@bartolomeothesatyr3 жыл бұрын
Trebuchet MS is similarly suitable for exactly this reason.
@RogerDavis7953 жыл бұрын
When I cannot be certain whether some characters are "ones" or "ells" or "eyes", I convert the text to Times New Roman to remove the ambiguity of "1lIlI1l."
@snorky2k5213 жыл бұрын
Personally, this is the aspect of fonts that I would most like to focus on. I would like to see a new font that that removes them ambiguity of those and others such as how Europeans disambiguate O and 0 further by adding a slash through the zero and 1 and 7 with a slash in the seven. I would like to see a one be an upside down T and a capital I to be a rotated H.
@RogerDavis7953 жыл бұрын
@@snorky2k521 I always cross the "7" in hand printing, also the "Z" to differentiate it from a "2."
@forgor44103 жыл бұрын
This makes me feel Ill.
@viddork3 жыл бұрын
I can't tell the "ells" from the "eyes" in your example, but then, I'm not sure what font it's in. I guess that's determined by my operating system, isn't it? Anyway, in TNR, the "eyes" are quite distinct, but the "ells" and ones differ only by their height, and the difference is tiny. Curiously, it's the much-maligned Comic Sans that clearly differentiates all three.
@Hallfreakyzoid3 жыл бұрын
@@viddork The comment section does not allow TNR font my dude. So his example, you would need to copy and change to TNR in your own word document to see what he means.
@ghyslainabel3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. 15+ years ago, I read an article saying that: - On paper, fonts with serif are easier and faster to read. - On a monitor, fonts without serif are easier and faster to read. That being said, I did not read the original research, so I do not know how accurate that is.
@paavobergmann49203 жыл бұрын
I could imagine, that the serifs are getting in conflict with the pixelation of the screen, so they tend to get fuzzy edges, whereas on papaer, they kind of guide the eye and make it easier to follow a line in a longer paragraph. Btw, I kind of like Calibri, Tahoma and Verdana. They are decent allround-go-to fonts imho, and they don´t look half bad.
@chipotlecoyote3 жыл бұрын
The theory has always been that serifs make it easier for the eye to track between characters, although there's not a lot of evidence to fully support that. But Paavo is right about monitor resolution -- if you're using a device whose screen is at a high enough DPI, like nearly any recent Mac or nearly any smartphone, it's sharp enough that serifs "work," although you still want the text size to be big enough to be comfortable.
@camrouxbg3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I remember this also.
@tutatis963 жыл бұрын
Yep i remember this one but probably screens changed a lot and this needs to be updated.
@jessodum31033 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the "guideline" that I also heard about a number of years ago. Likewise, I don't know the authority on it, but it seemed like a reasonable distinction. However, after watching this video, I'm inclined to start using Comic Sans whenever I can get away with it.
@diskrisk91453 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the three genders: Times New Roman, Arial, and Comic Sans
@ellismartiskainen77293 жыл бұрын
Haha yess
@Laufbursche4u3 жыл бұрын
No. Comic Sans is part of the divers community.
@isaacdiaz86023 жыл бұрын
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well...
@cyberp0et3 жыл бұрын
You BIGOT, there is an infinite nmber of "genders" :p
@ex6213 жыл бұрын
“Childlike, a little ugly but fun and accessible” ahh yes that’s me.
@nealabbott65203 жыл бұрын
from my research, and this goes years back, fonts w serifs is easier to see on a printed page and sans on a screen. i write in trebuchet and change it to TNR when i'm done and need to format it for printing
@ScienceAsylum3 жыл бұрын
When I was a teacher, I used Comic Sans for titles because I _love_ it. I tend to like typefaces that look like handwriting and Comic Sans has just the right amount of imperfections. *Comic Sans is beautifully imperfect.* I'm a little bummed I can't use it in my videos without inviting internet hate. For body text, I use whatever the default is in MS Word because I make enough decisions. When I started teaching 15 years ago, that was Times New Roman. It's the only reason I ever used Times New Roman.
@Markle2k3 жыл бұрын
Comic Sans is human-like on the right side of Uncanny Valley. But it is already a bit chonky, so I don't like its bold variety. And italics, bold or not, look squooshed and blurred. But for a friendly, "can you help me find my dog?" flyer, and for large captions, it works. The ability to add visual emphasis is important when you are communicating exclusively in text.
@iron_pickaxe3 жыл бұрын
You should check out Comic Neue
@ScienceAsylum3 жыл бұрын
@@iron_pickaxe I've seen it. That font is what you get when you take away everything I love about Comic Sans. I will never use Comic Neue.
@ScienceAsylum3 жыл бұрын
@Matthew Morycinski Yes, I agree there's certainly a time and a place. Comic Sans is very casual, but not every _situation_ is casual. It certainly doesn't belong on official corporate documents. But you say she just used it around her personal desk? That seems perfectly fine to me. Her desk, her business. If you're cringing at it, that seems more like your problem than hers 🤷♂️
@ScienceAsylum3 жыл бұрын
@@Markle2k That seems like a balanced fair opinion 👍
@arlin4113 жыл бұрын
I’ve read that Times was designed for space efficiency-to get more type on the page. Century School Book is a serif font designed for readability. I’ve also read that serif fonts are more readable in print while sans-serif fonts are more readable on a screen, because the serifs don’t resolve cleanly (though that becomes less of an issue with higher resolution). Personally, I like Bookman.
@sturam30 Жыл бұрын
Also a bookman fan… 🎉
@moondust23656 ай бұрын
I'm personally not the biggest fan, specifically of Bookman Old Style, but perhaps that's because of its overuse in local government documents and public school modules here in the Philippines, so I subconsciously associate it with subparness or an uncanny valley between amateur documents and professionally typeset ones.
@kaet83333 жыл бұрын
One of my teacher always uses Arial, and honestly it's a nice break from everyone using Times New Roman
@aliquida71323 жыл бұрын
Being dyslexic, I got an e-reader which allows me to change the font, font size, and spacing. By bumping it up to be basically "double spaced", using a clean font, and increasing the font size, it has noticeably increased my speed and enjoyment of reading.
@JohnMoseley3 жыл бұрын
Can you only change the line spacing or the kerning (space between letters) too? I've heard wider kerning increases readability and, from what I've seen, I agree.
@aliquida71323 жыл бұрын
@@JohnMoseley Nope. Font type, font size, line spacing, margins, and justification. No kerning options.
@JohnMoseley3 жыл бұрын
@@aliquida7132 I'm not surprised, but maybe it's a shame.
@AaronOfMpls3 жыл бұрын
@@aliquida7132 I suppose that's not a problem if the font you're using avoids "keming" (bad kerning).
@jenniedarling37103 жыл бұрын
I'm dyslexic too and have found the same having a kindle has opened up a new world of reading for me.
@ornessarhithfaeron35763 жыл бұрын
"Kept reformatting it to Calibri" Is this a Word joke I'm too LaTeX to understand?
@daybeau78193 жыл бұрын
My guess is that she has not modified the Normal style in Word. Besides font options, the tool can clean up Word's wonky default line and paragrah spacing settings, too.
@mrnogot42513 жыл бұрын
You read my mind.
@josephcote61203 жыл бұрын
I last version of Word that I liked/could use was Word 5 which came out with Win 95. Since then I cannot touch a document without totally ruining it. People would ask me to edit a doc, so I'd print it and edit it on paper for them. Or cut and paste a section and edit it in Notepad then send that back. When they complained I'd say I was hired to be a programmer, which I do an excellent job of. Editing your docs is not programming.
@WerewolfLord3 жыл бұрын
The default font should be Computer Modern. Either that, or Johnston.
@joevining26033 жыл бұрын
You know you can change defaults in Word, right?
@himssendol65123 жыл бұрын
I think It’s because everyone has times new roman available on their computer or device.
@paulkurilecz42093 жыл бұрын
For another look at readability, take a look at Extended Times New Roman. At one time this was used on railroad cars as it is quite readable at an angle and especially as that viewing angle changes.
@fezenclop3 жыл бұрын
Try reading "Ill" in both fonts. I like Times New Roman because the "I" has a top and bottom.
@vaclav_fejt3 жыл бұрын
It's not the only serif typeface. For fiction literature I prefer Garamond.
@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive3 жыл бұрын
III. Illinois
@vaclav_fejt3 жыл бұрын
@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive Il|1O0x×
@powernattoh3 жыл бұрын
clearly inois is not well... :D
@markjuarez64693 жыл бұрын
That’s called a serif and there are many serif typefaces…
@RomanNardone3 жыл бұрын
As a Roman I'm not going to let any research stop me from using my namesake
@jsterr13 жыл бұрын
I want to add a quick note on pronunciation : "pronounciation" isn't a word
@user-dj7ju2ce7m3 жыл бұрын
I usually use Verdana, as for me this is the most readable
@annemariemattheyse8083 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere once it was designed to be readable at small sizes on a screen in the early days of the Internet. I’m surprised it isn’t used more, to be honest.
@DonMeaker3 жыл бұрын
Illinois shows how little difference there is between a capital "i" and a small L.
@monkiram3 жыл бұрын
Was that ever in doubt?
@tommj43653 жыл бұрын
In lowercase it's iiiinois
@Wildcard713 жыл бұрын
@@tommj4365 silly noise
@nonchalantd3 жыл бұрын
The problem with arial and sans serif fonts is that some letters and numbers look too similar to distinguish, so one has to just assume what they might be from the context. This can be a problem when the text is a code and not a word, e.g., 1Il (one, capital i, and lowercase L) look quite similar.
@legal0403 жыл бұрын
yep this is along with the fact that everyone has times new roman on their machine is the reason why i choose it sans-serif has that problem, and the serif fonts i like have given me trouble when displaying on other people's devices :( so it's tnr for me
@karellen003 жыл бұрын
@@legal040 Just use Tahoma, the upper case I is the only letter that uses serif, just to take it apart from the lower case L.
@jullit313 жыл бұрын
We also mustn't forget the pipe symbol | 🤯
@Markle2k3 жыл бұрын
I would not have guessed that the middle character of " 1Il " was a lower-case "I".
@aldude95113 жыл бұрын
The problem with serif fonts, however, is if you are visually impaired, the serifs can be even more (very small) information needing to be parsed and so make the font harder to read.
@Ecole-du-jeu2 жыл бұрын
"Who wears their brain outside their head?" - Pewdiepie
@elijahfordsidioticvarietys87703 жыл бұрын
I will now use Times New Roman as much as humanly possible.
@LookingGlassUniverse3 жыл бұрын
Science confirms that comic sans is the best font 🙏 That’s what this video was about, right?
@salmonproduction19903 жыл бұрын
Dude. Comic Sans is cringe. It's like the minion meme of fonts.
@BS-bv5sh3 жыл бұрын
@@salmonproduction1990 hating on the most accessible version of something is super cringe. You think people with vision impairment shouldn't be able to read. It only follows that you think that short people should stand in the back of photographs so no one can see them.
@mr.k9053 жыл бұрын
@@BS-bv5sh I see your logic follows the initials of your name.
@dojokonojo3 жыл бұрын
Comic Sans was used to announce the discovery of the Higgs boson by CERN. Checkmate!
@dazzlingdexter50603 жыл бұрын
If not ya gonna have a bad time
@tleilaxu423 жыл бұрын
I used Garamond for every paper in college and never got called out on it, even by professors who explicitly stated out loud in class to use Times.
@ring_raitch3 жыл бұрын
I love Garamond. Regularly have to decide between Garamond and Tufte's ETBook font.
@bacul1653 жыл бұрын
Lucky... "does not fulfill formal criterias" is the easiest box for me to tick whenever I want to grade someone down. Your work must have been really good!
@SquishyMon3 жыл бұрын
I did the same thing but usually used Georgia
@ckyung13123 жыл бұрын
That made me laugh. Thanks.
@the_clawing_chaos3 жыл бұрын
I like Garamond too; its lovely and stylish for headings, however it fails hard when you use it at smaller sizes, so I never use it for body text.
@felixlaveaultallard3 жыл бұрын
Support (cellphone screen, pc screen, A4 paper, book, newspaper, etc..) is one of the most important aspect along with size in my experience as a graphic designer... I once bought a book(self-publish) written in Helvetica and I swear I almost didn't finish it just for the font. There's a reason 98% of books use Serif... Also, Times new Roman was designed to be printed in low quality paper, and it's totally normal to have a different experience with it on your 4K screen...
@IsomerMashups3 жыл бұрын
I like monospaced fonts more, both aesthetially and for readability.
@TravisGilbert3 жыл бұрын
The most readable and Aesthetically pleasing to me is 100% comic says (Also im dyslexic if that effects anything)
@braincraft3 жыл бұрын
Comic Sans has a lot of stigma attached to it! I like it too. It's often called juvenile - but does that mean everything that's round and curvy and fun is for children?! (that question could go in so many wrong directions lol)
@dirk97873 жыл бұрын
@@braincraft I don't know why it gets that much hate. The same with the coriander hate that's popular right now or the bacon love a few years ago. I don't get it.
@citizenmafia6793 жыл бұрын
@@braincraft lol I see what you did there.
@Kalebshadeslayer3 жыл бұрын
@@braincraft I wonder if the title of the font is most of what garners the hate for comic sans. If it was called Smooth sans would it be less hated?
@aliquida71323 жыл бұрын
Being dyslexic, I agree. And I hate Times New Roman (or any serif typeface). To much fiddly goings on for my eyes to keep track of what letter it is.
@nakrat113 жыл бұрын
As a professor I eventually had to lay down rules about fonts, size, and spacing because inevitably there were jokers in the class who would do weird fonts in big sizes and triple spacing so they could turn in a "5-page paper" with half the words as everyone else. "We're all individuals" is a great idea but you're not that special with your font choice, and there's lots of people who just like to be annoying.
@krunkle51363 жыл бұрын
Totally agree. Imo individualism is spread thin when people are encouraged to express themselves freely in *everything*.
@saegerrr3 жыл бұрын
Simply assign a word count :)
@jgunnels67733 жыл бұрын
My professors required a minimum word count.
@May-qb3vx3 жыл бұрын
@@jgunnels6773 there’s still an easy way around that that many classmates of mine used. Write random stuff and then put it in white font. Counts towards the word count on the computer but it’s not visible unless you know to look for it.
@joshuapray3 жыл бұрын
@@May-qb3vx Fascinating. Yet another incredibly creative tool for those who want to work three times as hard as those who just follow the directions. I'm a teacher, and this sort of thing tickles me (and baffles me) to no end.
@RadCenter3 жыл бұрын
It's Helvetica "NOY-uh," not Helvetica "NOO-ay."
@monkiram3 жыл бұрын
I always wondered how to pronounce that. In my head it's always been "NOO-ee" 😂
@wilyriley_3 жыл бұрын
it’s always been helvetica ’nyoo’ for me
@stephanpopp62103 жыл бұрын
It's NOY-uh because it's short for German "Neue Schrift" = New Script. "Schrift" is feminine, therefore the second e ("-uh"). "Helvetica" is Latin for "Swiss".
@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName3 жыл бұрын
@@monkiram ha ha same
@nox_cadit3 жыл бұрын
I like fonts with serifs, so I love Time New Roman the most because, for me, is the most consistent font. Forgot to mention that some fonts, like the lady said in the end, can be perceived as childish, or unprofessional. Times gives a nice strong, formal vibe to it, so that's what I'm sticking to.
@markproulx14723 жыл бұрын
You might also like Garamond.
@nox_cadit3 жыл бұрын
@@markproulx1472 i'll look that up later
@alexwixom45993 жыл бұрын
Colleague: "Can you format this research to Times New Roman? It's just more legible" You: "Here's a video I made on why it's not."
@schamakkii3 жыл бұрын
I'm dyslexic and have a strong preference for comic sans - I've found it easier to read throughout my life
@tastybrain3 жыл бұрын
Of course. It looks like you actually write letters.
@me-df9re3 жыл бұрын
You should also look at Lexia Readable font.
@nebula1oftheseven4883 жыл бұрын
Yes ,same .
@Koroblin3 жыл бұрын
Same!
@sdlion72873 жыл бұрын
I'm not even dyslexic but English is not my native tongue and I found Illinois easier to read in Comic Sans at the beginning of the video.
@tstarcher20013 жыл бұрын
"Difficulter..." 5:26 How funny😁
@kyivstuff3 жыл бұрын
On the first questions both: number 1 - Times New Roman - it looks finished and more organized.
@edgarilg3 жыл бұрын
Ilegible can be Illinois or any word you don't know that starts with "il" in capital letter if you use a Sans Serif font. Illustrative examples are: Illigal. Illusion. Illogical. Illumination, etc. My surename starts with Il and plenty of people have problems reading it for the first time if the font is Sans Serif
@kristindavisson32813 жыл бұрын
one of my all-time biggest complaints about sans serif fonts. especially as an ESL teacher trying to have children read in their second language when they have been taught to write a "big I" with horizontal lines top and bottom.
@kristindavisson32813 жыл бұрын
sorry gotta keep going...which is also why I tolerate comic sans - "big I" retains it's lines, and it is pretty soft and readable, especially for children. I used to be a comic sans hater until I realized this, and now I use it frequently in powerpoints for class.
@shoshishoshi1273 жыл бұрын
Exactly. That is why the serifs in fonts are very important and people forget that.
@isray893 жыл бұрын
My name is spelled ian, but I've had many, many colleges assume it was Lan and that I was East Asian.
@JanMaynz3 жыл бұрын
The problem isn't sans serif, it's the font itself. Comic Sans is a sans serif font but still distinguishes the two. It's not the only one, either. I don't know what idiot decided to drop those extra lines from capital i, but they've given sans serif a very bad name as a result.
@fg-zm2yu3 жыл бұрын
The font to choose is the one that clearly differentiate the "l" from the capital i, and the zero from the capital 0, and in general, that has no ambiguity (that is also functional, specially in IT/OT)
@kc9scott3 жыл бұрын
Don't you mean capital O?
@fg-zm2yu3 жыл бұрын
@@kc9scott Correct! You see, just fell because of the ambiguity 😀
@DrewNorthup3 жыл бұрын
Not sure which "OT" you mean... I do a fair amount of programming and command-line oriented work and I swear by monospace fonts, which weren't even addressed by any of the research referenced. My current favorite is a sans-serif by the name of "Hack", and contrary to what many may think it isn't the presence or lack of serifs that make it easy to tell 1Il7 and QO0 apart from each other.
@betoian3 жыл бұрын
Before computers, fonts only mattered when one had the time to arrange each letter carefully to make a perfect use of space. That is, any font could be great if you consider the way that the background affects the space occupied by the text. Colour combination may make text more readable of less readable...
@jeniedotjet2103 жыл бұрын
You have got to be trolling.
@londonwerewolves3 жыл бұрын
Is there any scientific research? Let's ask our first consultant. "I feel like letters have feelings." I'm out. Click.
@amouramarie3 жыл бұрын
Okay, in case you're serious, let me learn you a thing. People say things, and sometimes they don't actually mean the *literal* thing they say. This is called figurative language. The human who uttered that sentence does not, in actual fact, believe that "letters have feelings." See also: jokes; metaphor.
@londonwerewolves3 жыл бұрын
@@amouramarie Doesn't know if I'm joking or being serious... tries to explain when people are kidding around or being literal. haha. Your pathological need to project your intellectual insecurities onto others made me laugh.
@amouramarie3 жыл бұрын
@@londonwerewolves I don't need to anything. You were being a knob. That's all.
@londonwerewolves3 жыл бұрын
@@amouramarie Uh-huh. And now you are projecting that I was the start of this. Take your meds and have a nap, pumpkin.
@sethdavis43823 жыл бұрын
I work on an IT helpdesk and it is very important that our L's, I's and one's along with our O's and 0's are very clear and unmistaken for each other. We deal with case, serial and part numbers consistently in our communications and there's nothing worse than mistaking a Zero for an O.
@jackielinde75683 жыл бұрын
Hey! I did that job for 19 years in a healthcare settings. You have my sympathies. Also, don't get me started on getting people to spell things verbally... Even when I use a phonetic alphabet, they'll still insist on using the indistinguishable letter names. Gives Seth a Covid-19 save High Five!
@brettclark80203 жыл бұрын
There's a font named Hack that was specifically designed for easy discernment between O/0, I/1/l and so forth. It's not very attractive, but it works well for its purpose.
@josephcote61203 жыл бұрын
When I pulled helpdesk duty at my company (all IT people had to put in a week every year, unless that was your fulltime position) I wrote up my tickets using TELETYPE font. All caps and slashed zeroes.
@jackielinde75683 жыл бұрын
@@josephcote6120 Hehehe... I worked on a teletype system over at Burlington Air Express... The insane part, this was in the mid 90s.
@653j5213 жыл бұрын
@@josephcote6120 And everyone said, "Stop yelling at me?" :)
@danialhaseeb19093 жыл бұрын
I just love that the presentation that announced the discovery of the Higgs boson was made in Comic Sans. Absolute madlads.
@TheItGirlQ3 жыл бұрын
Once upon a time, I had an instructor tell me that TNR or a serif font causes less strain on the eyes when reading large quantities of text. I found this, anecdotally, to be fairly accurate.
@Incandescentiron3 жыл бұрын
Viewing this on my phone, comic sans was the easiest to read. Arial is my favorite font to use in general.
@estebanpadilla26073 жыл бұрын
Open Dyslexic changed my life. Best thing that happend to me. People need to understan that dyslexia is not just reading slow, it's headaches, tears, nausea, frustration
@jenchan48173 жыл бұрын
I’m dyslexic too. Unless a font is very difficult, it is unlikely to have a noticeable effect on my reading speed. My reading speed is mostly based on the speed at which the little narrator inside my head goes at, and that is a mostly fixed speed. The main thing that might change that is if my internal narrator is reading in a thick slow accent, like if the author wrote a character with a southern drawl I will read it at that speed. However, some fonts are more comfortable to read, and make scanning for information vaguely possible.
@estebanpadilla26073 жыл бұрын
@@jenchan4817 I feel so identified with that experience, about the internal narrator. And yes, for me the most important thing is that the font is comfortable
@DrewNorthup3 жыл бұрын
@@estebanpadilla2607 Thanks for this. I'm not Dyslexic (I'm Dysgraphic instead...another form of damnation), but my understanding had been that the point of Dyslexic-friendly fonts was not higher reading speed but the dual goals of improved comprehension and decreased eye strain. As for myself, as I do a lot of programming-type tasks, I swear by monospaced fonts and currently prefer a sans-serif one by the incredibly appropriate name of "Hack".
@lolymop3333 жыл бұрын
Ja, and it's not really about speed? It's. More of an issue of reading the same line over and over and over again, reading something completely wrong or just in the wrong order, flipping letters, just not being able to decipher what in the world I'm looking at, plus everything you mentioned. Usually all the things listed above is why the reading goes slow. Hard to read at all when it doesn't even look like English (or German or whatever language you're familiar with and currently reading). It tends to also cause unnecessary arguments because I completely misread a text someone sent me.
@matatias3 жыл бұрын
Interesting to know that. I've read that dyslexics didn't find it that readable.
@qwertyTRiG3 жыл бұрын
I happily ignored college requirements to submit essays in Times New Roman, and used exclusively Computer Modern, simply because that was the default in LaTeX. In web design, I tend toward the Ubuntu font family.
@lunasophia90023 жыл бұрын
Yay, Computer Modern!
@qwertyTRiG3 жыл бұрын
@@lunasophia9002 It looks good, and it's not just for maths.
@gibenameplox3 жыл бұрын
This!
@EcceJack3 жыл бұрын
I've found Computer Modern looks similar enough to TNR (though, of course, quite different in details!) that people might not even notice it - and in my field at least, there's enough LaTeX usage that we're all used to it anyway :D
@qwertyTRiG3 жыл бұрын
@@EcceJack I was doing Deaf Studies. I was probably the only person on the course who'd even heard of LaTeX.
@canteringgallop43233 жыл бұрын
I love how the “font expert” is going to trash a regular font and just casually uses Comic Sans in the thumbnail xD
@rockstarjazzcat3 жыл бұрын
Kerning, tracking, and column width make a huge difference in readability. A lot of craft is potentially lost to the ages with each era of digital innovation. I can't reduce this question down to font choice alone.
@lucasduque82893 жыл бұрын
I have one better reason to keep using Times New Roman: my university won't accept my papers if I don't use it.
@S4R1N3 жыл бұрын
Personally I'm a huge fan of Verdana, it makes my eyes happy.
@EvanBoyar3 жыл бұрын
That's my favorite font for computer screens, but not for the printed page.
@lwj23 жыл бұрын
Verdana and Georgia were designed to be read on a monitor.
@mybittersweetme3 жыл бұрын
It's my favorite too, but when I print stuff out it comes out too big, so for work (I'm a translator) I just use calibri.
@shouldbewritig3 жыл бұрын
Verdana reminds me of my middle school days reading fan fiction. Net 😂
@oldi1843 жыл бұрын
I love Fraktur. I think it's the best font.
@maiakrause3 жыл бұрын
If you’re working in a teaching or editing capacity it’s just really helpful to have all documents or assignments in *the same* font (same size too) so you can quickly assess the length and formatting correctness of a document. I would assume that’s part of why people can be so insistent in university settings.
@sambird875810 ай бұрын
I suppose that would be important to assess if someone was teaching a course about document length and formatting. It would be a niche elective I think. I would generally advise against signing up for that one; there are invariably more important things to learn at most institutions.
@hacep1603 жыл бұрын
Both were Arial but if I should select my favorite, it would be Garamond. It is a font that I use always for everything because I am used to it - it is a font that our courts use and in it, they write everything (legal stuff), and given that I am a law student, I do write a lot with those institutions and with people working there.
@kunibeasley12103 жыл бұрын
I use Tahoma. I am an anomaly: a dyslexic speed reader. Size does matter. Times New Roman actually "hurts" to speed read.
@WhatAreYouNew3 жыл бұрын
I always liked Tahoma and Verdana myself
@lelsewherelelsewhere94353 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Does spacing affecting your readability? (between letters vs between words)
@benjamintravis66063 жыл бұрын
@@WhatAreYouNew I love verdana for public reading. At a 14 pt it is infinitely more readable when reading aloud.
@jeradw74203 жыл бұрын
@@lelsewherelelsewhere9435 I, as a dyslexic slow reader, need a very specific spacing, the Goldilocks space, not too big, not too small. I prefer Arial, even though the video doesn't like it. The number of times the Illinois will come up is so few that the clean lines of Arial are better. Times just has more features to each letter that just aren't that helpful.
@tyryq93 жыл бұрын
Same! Tahoma!
@merebrillante3 жыл бұрын
Back in my day, all we had was Courier, and we liked it! Much lighter to carry when walking uphill two miles in snow to school.
@joshuapray3 жыл бұрын
Both ways. :D
@WatchesTrainsAndRockets3 жыл бұрын
@@joshuapray And barefoot
@MuriKakari3 жыл бұрын
I still like Courier, and always have, despite everyone else despising it.
@joshuapray3 жыл бұрын
@@MuriKakari I've no problem with Courier at all. It's tough to use, though, since people tend to assume you're trying to make your work look timeless, or classic, any time you employ it.
@MuriKakari3 жыл бұрын
@@joshuapray Yep. Or back to when we printed things, it takes up a lot more space. I remember people having similar reactions to Courier New as Comic Sans.
@EricB2563 жыл бұрын
My perspective on the fonts debate is strongly influenced from back when I was into writing experimental (sometimes visual) poetry. Whilst I used characters from several different fonts in the same text, I also adopted the modernist credo that serifs are unnecessary, for the many occasions when I didn't need several fonts in the same text. Historically, serifs originated way back when people still wrote inscriptions on plates of stone: the serif was a necessary place for the chisel to go. So in a way, you can use Times NR if you want to suggest your writing follows traditional lines of thinking or you can use Arial if you want to suggest that you stick to the essential in your writing. To me, Comic Sans does offer the air of a spare time activity font, something that you wouldn't and shouldn't use in professional (or should I say, "serious") surroundings.
@patricaristide76783 жыл бұрын
Interestingly when I handed in my first university homework we had to use a monospaced font. There was no limitation on how many words one used but since header, footer, margin etc had all been made compulsory it made for a level playing field. So I got used to Courier (New)/Gyre Cursor and that’s what I typically choose.
@silvertube523 жыл бұрын
Times Roman was the typeface used by most printers in the 1950-80's and academic journals standardized on that typeface in 12 point for submitted manuscripts.
@saravaneerde61643 жыл бұрын
And APA style indicates Times New Roman is the standard font for it.
@silvertube523 жыл бұрын
@@saravaneerde6164 Yep, I was sort of speculating why APA specified that font.
@rahulbhadeshiya3 жыл бұрын
I also had to change my whole thesis to Time New Roman......
@braincraft3 жыл бұрын
My condolences
@sinecurve99993 жыл бұрын
Styles. Styles everywhere.
@jackielinde75683 жыл бұрын
@@sinecurve9999 I know. Once you start using styles, you won't go back. It's the superhero everyone needs, but few know about.
@dragoncurveenthusiast3 жыл бұрын
Yup. Had to install an extra Latex package that includes it.
@Name-ps9fx3 жыл бұрын
•Right click •”Select all” •Click Font •Select font of choice •Click “Save” •Finished!
@psy-fi643 жыл бұрын
I think fonts can heavily change tone. When you have the opportunity to switch fonts in the same context, it can make things more interesting. Obviously it's not formal but in a informal setting I love it. Take Undertale for example.
@CarloTomasi3 жыл бұрын
I cannot answer for all of "academia." However, in the hard sciences (math, computer science, physics) and engineering most of us write papers in LaTeX, a document preparation language built by Leslie Lamport on top of Donald Knuth's TeX formatting language. The default font in LaTeX is Times Roman. For many years it was realistically the only font you could use in LaTex (for main text). Now fonts can be changed, but doing so takes knowledge and can be quite complex. So for us it's a bit like having one of those old typewriters with hammers, where you cannot change the typeball. Using LaTeX has huge advantages over WYSIWIG software (What You See is What You Get) for documents with equations and other complex formatting requirements, and the drawback of using an old, tired font is well worth the benefits. But this is a separate story.
@ximalas3 жыл бұрын
It's Times if you \usepackage{times}, otherwise it's Computer Modern.
@dwc19643 жыл бұрын
I have nostalgic love for the old-fashioned Bookish fonts - Century Schoolbook and Bookman and such-like.
@Raymanujan3 жыл бұрын
me too
@SrtaLJCarneiro3 жыл бұрын
I love Old Bookman! My favorite font!
@girlwithaharp3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@dumisa73 жыл бұрын
Bookman Old Style - - my go to for decades now.
@paavobergmann49203 жыл бұрын
Oh Iove that font - it´s gorgeous! My font crush is Garamond, though.
@girlwithaharp3 жыл бұрын
Book Antiqua does it for me.
@jbinmd3 жыл бұрын
@@girlwithaharp agreed. Much more attractive than TNR with all the same benefits. It's a Palatino knockoff as far as I can tell.
@hijodelaisla2753 жыл бұрын
Nice.
@johnblair81463 жыл бұрын
ON THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!
@ninaturovskiy53193 жыл бұрын
I like Times New Roman. It's my favorite font to look at and I find it the easiest to read. It has a little bit of a vintage feel to it and I love anything vintage 😅
@sliemelela25413 жыл бұрын
I am surprised the video didn't cover the benefits of fonts that are harder to read (funnily enough). I think an important way people in academia approach reading papers is doing that in way to scrutinize that paper. Having a poor font helps with this. Basically, when a font is really nice, it makes the reader feel more at ease which makes it easier to accept whatever is stated. The opposite happens when a font is not easily read: you experience a form of unease/strain which makes you more vigilant (but less creative). This is exactly what someone would want to happen in academia to ensure the integrity of whatever is being researched! (I obviously did not come up with this myself. I happened to read the book Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman, and he touches upon this exact thing in Chapter 5 (Cognitive Ease). Definitely reccomend reading it if you like are interested in the human psychology). Cool video nonetheless! :))
@toomdog3 жыл бұрын
So before seeing the results of this video, I can say that my engineering professors told us (in the last 5 years) that serif fonts are easier to read on printed paper, but sans-serif fonts are easier to read on computer screens, so please submit your assignments in sans-serif fonts. Arial is the standard font for our technical drawings and email at my engineering job.
@madmarbles3 жыл бұрын
I've been in a Century Gothic mood of late.
@gonnfishy29873 жыл бұрын
Hit me!
@gonnfishy29873 жыл бұрын
No not like that
@bm.salameh68613 жыл бұрын
When I worked as a technical assistant for the Interactive TV/Distance Education Department at the U. Of TX HSC in Houston back in the 1990s, we had to convert the signal from the computer to the TV screens (projection or other TV monitors in the classroom. Times New Roman would always be a problem for students to read on the screens due to the Serifs, which was why all powerpoint presentations were done in Arial, Tahoma, or other sans serifs font, minimum size 28 or 32. There was a study somewhere that also stated that more nerve cells are used to read Times New Roman, fewer for the sans serifs fonts. I personally wrote my dissertation using Arial, 12 pt. IN my college classes that I teach, I will not accept any home works or papers unless they are in 12 pt Arial, Tahoma, or Calibri fonts. Easier for me to correct.
@andresebastianmoreno3 жыл бұрын
I recall my business law instructor reinforcing that 14 point is the smallest type size acceptable in appellate briefs and documents for all State Appeals, and Supreme Courts and all Federal levels, District, Circuit, and Supreme Court. Therefore, I generate all my work product in 14 point or larger (unless I absolutely MUST use 8, 10, or 12 point). If any document I have created ends up filed in an administrative proceeding, or proceeds to a lawsuit, I can be sure to have a leg up on the opposing party. Most people don't think in an evidentiary manner, every document I create is fit to be easy for a judge or clerk to read.