Inscription and Engineering are mistakes that blizzard is stuck with, both artifacts of design that either blizzard would never have stuck with, or didnt commit to the design path at all, and it sucks for both.

You watch the golden girls

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player information helps a lot but specifically on bandages and health potions: blizzard hasnt bothered tuning either since Wrath to the content they are implementing, which has been bad for both alchemy and first aide as their filler leveling craft/only crafts for the expansion, to the point bandages werent implemented in WoD and when reimplemented in legion, were outhealed by the WoD healing potion. Crafting Relevance also was just fucking all over the place. in Vanilla itemization was so horrifically bad, that crafting, one of the last things implemented, actually meant the items were better capable of being utilized effectively. TBC is the best crafting was ever at with crafted items outclassing actual tier sets late into the progression depending on specific class, although significantly less relevant in classic where everything had been mastered. Wrath was significantly worse then TBC because crafting is only useful as an introductory interstage between endgame and PvP or Tier gear. Cataclysm is a slight improvement over Wrath but is critically, inappropriately paced relative to its progression causing professions to lag behind. Unlike Wrath though enouhg gear comes in later through raids to keep them relevant, but generally maintaining the downward trajectory from TBC's GOAT position. Pandaria levels out where cataclysm dick-kicked crafting to but makes crafting overal infinitely worse with the discovery system which means its basically impossible to go back and level any of them and despite being on a consistent historic 4 expansion downward trend, a God rose to redeem crafting. In pandaria you had to gamble to learn each recipe you needed. in Cata you had to fight over rare resources to acquire the currency needed to progress. in Warlords of draenor you simply decided which item you needed the most and learned it today. Items werent just durable, they stuck with you from the second you hit lvl 100 until the expansion ended, and there was no gambling on what you got, just hurling a small stack of consumeables at your problem. In addition, materials now stacked to 200 to alleviate congestion. the only real problem is that everything is a transmute, so everything is time gated. However, as the first expansion to challenge the throne of the gods, it has stood exeption to those that came before, and after. Item Upgrades took starter-lvlcap gear and brought it all the way into Heroic Hellfire Citadel. Legion crafting was a complete rejection of what made Warlords Crafting as good as it was. Obliterium was expensive beyond reason to unlock as the materials to craft the required items were being demanded at 10 times the rate of any other craft, and the result, obliterium, only minorly upgraded the ilvl of the items from the expansion only enough to compete with Mythic Dungeon gear and LFR raid gear. Further, rather then having a stat reroll token, items were crafted as is so a good item could take your first craft, or a hundred to actually make. We were back to bad crafting. Until we met BFA. BFA is special in that it does everything wrong with crafting. Relevant patterns arent learned through trainers or merchants, but through discovery, and all of them produce soulbound equipment which requires Mythic dungeon and raidsourced soulbound materials to generate items with random stat arrays while requiring obscene quantities of materials to produce. Legion crafting was useless because the gear was noncompetitive, BFA crafting was useless because it didnt even function in the roles of crafting as a social driving element or a casual progression system. Shadowlands returns to the more common status quo of the Dungeons and one relevant item with Legendary crafting. Noteably SL improves the status quo as the introduction of Missives means that items can be inherently tuned to benefit the Commissionee as is necessary. Further it actually improves several previously bad craftings with the relic of the past system allowing you to craft old items at higher or lower levels as is necessary. In exchange you cant get WoD transmog from crafting now. Dragonflight so far looks to be capable of outcompeting TBC as the best crafting of all time, even with the horrific problems of the shear quantity of profession knowledge required, but to dethrone TBC requires not just refinement and quality ideas, but implementation and time necessary to prove the decisions are being held to. Will DF punch into the realm of the gods or is it merely the second coming of WOD Crafting?

At least engineer and potions was " fun"

Ironically 90% of the people that had hard ons over vanilla for 15 years didn't last 2 months in classic when they realised the game wasn't as flawless as nostalgia led them to believe. Same goes for BC and now WotLK. Most of the player base believes that whatever era they started playing, the game was in a near perfect state. As most just rediscovered, vanilla was an absolute grindfest that required you to play the game as a second job to stay relevant. Still not as funny as people crying the content is too easy or cleared too quickly when they don't want to consider the 2 decades of dissecting every single byte of data that exists in the game. Content creators will complain there's no wonder i the game anymore but will release 10hrs of content every week for months leading up to the realised with every little bit of data mined info they can get. Belular and Asmon deciding and expansion is gonna be great and then trash and then great again 40 times before it's even released.

@V. K. Health & Longevity classic was great just people burned themselves out and botting was pretty prevalent

And then as soon as you get to your first dungeon, the majority of crafted gear in classic also becomes useless. Like there's very few good crafted pieces while leveling.

To be fair, DF gave them all the biggest buff in probably ever. It's been decades since professions have been as relevant as now, providing meaningful gear, cosmetics and enhancements throughout the whole content.

You're not alone there my friend.

@@Trainwheel_Time it’s so difficult and complex and you barley get any skill points to put in the tree 🌲

Yeah, in many ways it’s so overly complex and disincentives newer crafters from getting into it. Why should I spend several tens of thousands of gold on mats to get max skill in a crafting profession when I can just buy the item from the AH or place a crafting order for a fraction of the cost. I get it, it rewards players who specialize in a specific area of their profession, but it’s so hard to get to that point for yourself that it just feels bad.

yuuup

does it hurt your brain :(((((((((((((((((((((((( just sit down and learn it

The other main thing that ruined crafting profession for gear at least was the addition of heirloom gear, which was better than any green or blue gear you could get from professions. Meaning armor professions are only needed for xmog

@@jasonbullis4163 both of you @blutwind obviously haven 't played Dragonflight

@thomasmims7850 yes I have played dragonflight and heirloom gear is unusable in dragonflight and the crafted gear is good if you can assemble the mats for rank 5 the issue with dragonflight is not what you get but how long it takes to make what you want. I have every Profession up to but not through dragonflight but skilling up all of them with knowledge is just extreme time sink

thats probably cause skinning is so easy to level up