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Thanks for having me on boss!

It's really cool that you got the Acting Male as a guest in this video. He's my favorite KZfaqr.

They should make a weapon that’s always dual wield, therefore they can balance it appropriately but it’s also fun and cool to have two weapons.

Why is Ascend Hyperion SO BAD?! And…. AWESOME!!

One facet of post-game lobbies and Party-up features that I really appreciate as someone who generally solo-queues, is how much it saves on matchmaking time and helps keep less popular playlists and older games running. Those final days of Halo Reach and H3 on the 360 were made way easier because instead of scrounging the servers to find 8+ available people every game, it only had to do that once, and we could all party up to save time and jump right back into the game. 343 has already spoken about worries with playlist population and how that effects matchmaking times and player experiences, which makes me wonder if a Party-up feature would help Halo Infinite in the long run and give the devs some room to breathe and experiment with weirder modes and playlists.

Hearing my comment get read out, I realize that I didn't word it correctly from what I was thinking, but I'm happy that a good discussion came up from it between you and the Act Man. Thanks for discussing it!

Was surprised to see my comment. Thanks! I agree that toxicity is horrible. However, I think that shutting off communication entirely to avoid toxicity is not worth it. Most interactions I have in games with open communication aren't toxic (though I am a white man which I understand makes toxicity less likely) , and talking with strangers still exists in both old games with high playercounts (tf2, Mcc, csgo) and indie games (milsims, pavlov, survival games). The social aspect, to me, is what separates fighting with real players from fighting against advanced bots. And as someone who's friends dont play games, it can make infinite feel rather lonely.

Deadlock is a Banished multiplayer map. It's currently the only Banished multiplayer map, with two Banished bases that have plasma turrets, and the Banished AA gun set piece in the middle. It just doesn't feel very Banished because it still relies heavily on the natural terrain. We definitely need more maps where you're in a ship or something.

Hyperion I have to disagree with your assessment that features like Party Up and finding clan members and inviting Randos to parties are vestiges of the past. I believe the reasons you stated: limited time and already having a circle of friends, mostly applies to adults. You used Party Up in the past because you didn't yet have your circle. Kids nowadays have as much free time as you beguiled when you were young. I think those social features are one's you don't avail yourself of because you don't have a need for them whereas a younger person may still derive utility from them.

I wholeheartedly agree with the importance of VC. Even the more negative aspects of social interaction are important. Now, I haven't lived very long, but one thing I have learned is that the most difficult people make the most worthwhile friends. Of course there are some who will take it too far, but there's always reporting and muting, right?

"That time has passed" completely disregards an entire new generation that might be joining into Halo. A lot of people made their relationships with Spartan Companies which have been removed for this game. Forces them to make new connections since not a lot of ppl play Halo anymore.

As a 30yo who games, as I've gone through life I've either lost friends through moving away or they simply like other games. I am looking for random to make connections with and the lobby and chat features are my biggest gripe

That mission where Esheraum sends the waves of Banished to fight you in the training area was the most fun part of the campaign. Pure tactics, not limited by weapon choice, but by decision making and skill. My heart was pounding in my throat by the time the boss battle came up. Fleshing that out into a PVE would be so rad. I thought it would make a dope PVP map too.

THIS IS THE COLLAB I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SINCE DISCOVERING YOUR CHANNEL Just watching you two talk it out about your opinions, and the opinions of other for Halo is a dream 😆

All future Let's Argues must now have the Act Man in thrm

Well you not feeling like too much is missed with talking to enemies is fine which is why the option to mute everyone is there but the option to talk to everyone should be there too because I've made great friends talking to enemies as well as had funny banter.

I absolutely never play with the same people and would totally utilize a party Up feature to find new gamers I like to play with.

Hidden Xperia next?

Ascend’s take on the chat and party up thing is bad. Some of us don’t have gamer friend groups and have to find people we play well with online.

He knows that pretty much all games have a mute feature right?

I like how the act man's head is the same size as his neck in the thumbnail

Invasion firefight would be so dope!!! I always loved the objective aspects of invasion; plant the bomb, retrieve the core, capture these points! It’s the one thing my friends and I miss from the halo reach days, warzone assault was cool and all but never really touched on that kind of variety. Whats your take on invasion? You got the big brain halo power! love to know your thoughts

For the last question I'd want old and new, cuz there's nothing wrong with having a safety net to fall back on, cuz while I love seeing new weapons with interesting functions, but not if it's gonna ruin anything. There should also be weapons that we could use in the btb modes that kind of ignore balance to a degree.

Yo let’s get hidden Xperia for the next one

Infinite feels empty from a community perspective. I personally love games in which I can just coordinate with others, so I usually run with a group of friends in MCC - the non-competitive modes of Halo like CTF BTB are especially great for that. However, in three weeks of playing there has been *one (1)* person who used open team voice comms. To flame us for being bad. Great introduction. It doesn't help that I can't for the life of me figure out how to make my teammates speak through my headphones instead of my speakers. EVERY OTHER SOUND goes through headphones, but not my teammates' voices. I'm living in a dormroom with paperthin walls. I do not want my neighbors to hear what colourful things the Halo community comes up with. Speaking of which, Ascend Hyperion is absolutely right when it comes to another thing: Trash Talk absolutely sucks, and is ridiculously common. It very very *very* often devolves into just shouting insults and slurs, and I just do not want that kind of shit in my life. As long as I can't use public voice comms without someone immediately shouting that I should get back into the kitchen, I'll stay away from them. To fix the lacking community part, we need robust reporting systems for people spouting vile insults over comms, and only after we've got something like that, maybe try to fix the issue with unintrusive optional features like a team-up search for people who do/don't want to talk.

They need to add the sticky detonator in, I feel like it could be really fun utility. They need to look to older games for utility weapons to add in. I want to see the smgs added in automatically dual weilded as its quirk.

Trash talking people over game chat always had an undertone of play no matter how extreme it got

My dream PVE mode is an L4D type gametype where it’s basically a mini campaign mission with 4 players with a definite start and end and areas to progress thru. Mindless hordes of enemies thru Firefight never appealed to me honestly, if’s just sometime to pass the time. Basically a Spartan Ops that doesnt suck

Controversial opinion: most of the the justifications against dual wielding apply to carrying turrets as well except turrets are even worse

With discord becoming more popular by the day, I think that the absence of these community and social features is not that serious. At the end of the day,most people have voice chat off. However the ability to stay with a team after a match should be included

I love it when my favorite halo tubers get together for discussions like this makes it so much more interesting to hear there takes

If Firefight is too long then reduce the length to one set. After that point things start despawning in awkward ways anyway, so most of my modes end there How about we present a set of voice chat toggles before the game even lets you into multiplayer that you have to set up in order to clear the menu?

I got back into gaming last year through MCC, and if there hadn’t been lobbies, partying up via Xbox live, and shit talking, I wouldn’t have any friends to play halo with. Someone talked shit to me, I talked back and we had a few good games against each other with wins being traded. We partied up after and literally every one of my Xbox friends have been derived from that encounter. So someone who already has a crew, sure. Maybe lobbies aren’t super important anymore. But what about the subset of people who play solo but do want to make and play with friends?

"Go make me a sandwich, woman." Haha I still get that sometimes and I think it's funny xD

The problem is I don’t have people who I play halo with. Most of my friends have ps4 and it’s hard to find anybody to play with but having a quick party up button would be awesome.

"Forge is limited by how limited it is." Thank you Lady Red, very insightful.

I really do hope you do more of these with various other halo personalities, because when it’s just you it feels more authoritative and one sided because of the simple nature of text vs the guy with the mic. But when you have other people on there’s a chance that the guest disagrees, then the text turns more into a prompt for the discussion that ensues so that you can see both sides of the argument and the viewer can come to their own conclusions. In the future I do hope if you do bring more guests that you pick and choose the guest and questions to have more disagreements to facilitate more thoughtful discussion which is far more interesting then the hive mind alternative. Amazing content, this has easily become the highlight of your channel for me. 👍

I don’t understand why people get triggered and are glad social features are gone. Just mute/report people if you don’t like what they’re saying. I do agree with you on the weapons though.

i love this collab and your come up on the Halo youtube scene is awesome

"There's no banished maps in MP" Deadlock: "Am i a joke to you?

I completely agree with 'bring back old weapons before making new ones'. There are so many existing weapons that fill specific niches, it would be a great thing if Infinite could end up being the ultimate Halo library of sorts, where you can see how various weapons from the past fare against others or in combination with others.

i love this dialogue - I'm watching this as prep for a podcast recording on my buddy's show where we're talking a LOT about the trash talk bit & history of community gaming. Thank you both for the insights here - I love both of your takes on the "community vs. toxicity" balancing act.

incredible video. nice seeing two youtubers Ive watched before they made it big, I remember back when the act man had less than 1000 subs, he made Halo 5 videos, i absolutely loved them. im pretty sure he unlisted most of them unfortunately. and for you chad ascend hyperion, I found you when looking for forge map reviews because all the og's quit or moved on. it was a year or two ago, i remember it being quite a few months before you made it big. Thank you both for existing

I love that I'm so much more invested in halo youtube than on air television that I get pumped when there's a crossover. Also I was super surprised ascend was black until I saw him. Big ups on the red stripe tho.

On the subject of community and “toxicity”. The social aspect of gaming and meeting new people was completely lost last console generation and now by extension this console generation because of rampant enforcement, no more forced game chat and breaking up lobbies. It was integral to Halo, to get custom games going, to get a squad together and of course the trash talk was fun, don’t like it? They gave you a mute and block button. You had the tools to deal with it. Advocating for devs to hold your hand and design the game around your feelings is stupid and hurts everyone in the long run.

They should return the motion tracker back to its normal 25m on team slayer, rather than having it at 18m, except for some game modes. Making the "dance" for Halo Infinite far more interesting when detecting the enemy.

Totally wrong on vc and the community based stuff. Just super out of touch. If you don't wanna talk turn off the vc easy. But the majority want it

Awesome episode! Great synergistic conversation and discussion! A good look into toxic commentary online, and a well-versed perspective of the game we all love in so many ways.

If everything is overpowered than nothing is overpowered

I got nobody to play these games with. Definitely need the party up functionality back. That's how I make friends online, by playing with them in a lobby... I don't like joining huge discord communities, I prefer the old way of making friends with Randoms. Also clans still recruit people. And trash talk is annoying which is why we need a mute function. We have one I think for on your team and tbh I get trash talked by my team already so trash talk is a pretty poor excuse. You are always going to have douche bags shouting racial bigotry. There is nothing you can do about it other than mute, ignore or remove VC all together which is not a good solution.

the voice chat and prx mic made it so much easyer to build teams ect the already "tight in crowd" idea is silly because if you have nothing comming in eventualy your circle will decay

Great video man, looking forward to more! Good choice of hot takes 👍🏻

I hope you do more videos with Act Man. You guys have good chemistry.

Love the way you do these. Also do it with more Halo creators aswell it would be really interesting.

Should infinite Forge open up for moders so that custom games would reach the maximum potential. Basically 343 allowing moders create custom game modes, AI and vehicles letting the community have easy access with minor restrictions?

There's a thought I had about Halo Infinite's campaign. I've seen a lot of other halo youtubers say they're sad that it all takes place in only one biome. I think what 343 is going to do is make each DLC take place on a different part of the ring in a different biome. So after a few years when there are multiple expansions we'll end up with entire campaigns based in unique locations instead of single levels. Where previous campaigns would have snowy levels and desert levels, we'll get entire desert open worlds and snowy open worlds with infinite.

I love this format, so chill.

It's crazy that you don't get good views your videos are quality. Keep it up man, I'm here till the end

On the bit with Trash Talking and potential Toxicity being faced when playing with Randoms being a good reason to have all these features disabled by default or taken away, I will have to Disagree Strongly... Main reason for this, Growing up in a time where I'd never imagined I could ever play a video game with another human being over the internet, rather than against a CPU opponent in the Brood War and LAN party days, there was a time when being called every name in the book WOULD have not only hurt my feelings, but ruined my day or even ruined my entire week. After being exposed to it for so long, I not only have an exponentially higher tolerance to it, but even welcome it since it's usually an indicator of an opponents skill and their ability to cope under pressure... It also allows you to find people you would have otherwise not considered playing with until you got to see a silly or even rather explosive and juvenile side to em had they been muted or censored heavily... While on that topic, I'm far FAR more likely to be offended by censorship and limitations vs someone blasting meme music or calling my mother fat and ugly over a mic... That being said, I also 100% understand that not everyone has that level of tolerance or is unwilling to get to that point by putting themselves through the wringer of "Toxic Gamers" and potentially values their time and quality of experiences more so than the more reality bound ones... But rather than developers and publishers curating, censoring and taking out useful and legacy features on behalf of their community in order to keep them safe, I am more so all for instead, giving players the tools to do that themselves. For example, you don't wanna hear someone cussing you out or using foul trash talk? Disable Voice Chat yourself. You enjoy the text chat but hate all the colorful metaphors people are using? Enable or Disable the swear filter yourself. Don't care for the text chat altogether? Disable it yourself. it gives people the ability to curate their own experiences and tailor them to their own liking while unaffecting those who don't wish for things to be changed needlessly... IMO this is the best case scenario and is a win-win for everyone because player choice, simple as that... Frankly speaking, I don't think I would've enjoyed ye old days of xbox live (crazy amounts of racist, sexist, istaphobic, politically incorrectness or no...) had it been as curated as it is today. Hell, I just don't find Multiplayer as enjoyable as I used to BECAUSE it feels so much more lifeless and sanitized. Perhaps it is just reminding me of the Satanic Panic era which also happened to grow up around. To this day I am still not quite possessed by the devil for playing DnD, DOOM, Diablo and Pokemon, but I suppose I am now one of those dreaded Toxic Gamers for wanting to play games unfiltered with my friends and Randoms who wanna enjoy memeing a bit as well... 😔😔😔

This is cool. I like both of your giys content. You guys know what's up with Halo. More collabs guys.

Should Halo Infinite Story DLC’s feature Banished Spartans as HVT’s for Chief to fight? I think bringing Spartans into the campaign as equal adversaries for the player would lead to some very fun and interesting boss battles.

"I'm old and wouldn't use these features anymore," is a hell of a hot take on why partying up and keeping a lobby aren't important anymore. There's lots of times when I want to play but my normal group isn't available, or they're playing a different game. It's hard to get a consistent group without scouring discord lobbies, and then vetting people is much harder. These games could still benefit from organically making friends in matchmaking.

Most of my time on Halo 3 & reach was custom games. When the 360 died, I built a PC and then spent 25k hours on Garry's Mod TTT, now we're back to infinite and all I want is to get back into custom games

Playing with strangers is how you make new friends and some bad ones :( highly disagree with u

The solution they came up with to solve the toxicity problem was to completely remove it which is the worst way of solving a problem. They need to improve their reporting system to make it easier and take other actions to meditate that behavior not just remove such a large part of the game. I’m a bug fan of trash talk because for me it just makes me more invested and want to play better so I can return the trash talk. People who are toxic and use racial or sexist slurs are an automatic mute. And if the game didn’t make it so difficult to report people they would be reported too

im 23 years old and i definitely disagree with your point that game chat in gaming is a thing of the past. a ton of people still stay in game chat. theres a certain charm to meeting randos in halo. its a really cool community and a lot less toxic than most. like they say, this is a mans game.

I think that Splatoon is an example of a phenomenal hoard mode! 5 minutes, 3 waves, and that's it. It makes for a nice tight experience, and if you wipe, that's fine, you just jump into another game. I hate the hour or more long hoard mode like Firefight or COD zombies.

I still connect with players online. As long as there are chill people to chat with, there are friends to be made.

Loved having a second voice and opinion onboard for this!

I like that you are creating a platform where people peacefully debate

Social aspects are what made halo. Partying up was amazing and built the core of halo

hahahahahaha the dual wielding part!!1 LMFAO

I feel like forge should be like Doom 2016 snapmaps the shit people made with that was crazy

We should absolutely go back to the MW2 days of communication, you don't want to talk to somebody then just mute them. I'll take people calling me a goat f***er because I'm Scottish and then laughing it off because it was funny over getting banned for 8 days for calling someone a 'bitch'.

What if instead of Duel Wielding, they implement Akimbo weapons, but something like an Akimbo SMG, and the alt fire could be switching between one and 2 weapons, the main purpose is that the Akimbo will be normal damage but you cannot use grenades, and you can switch for a 50% debuff so you can use grenades. That's an idea for duel wielding that doesn't need a complete sandbox rework, has 343 thought of this, it would be a cool return for the SMG making the gun unique without making duel wielding op.

Really breaks my heart that you dont want to have social in game chatting due to foul abusive people. You are right it really ruins the gaming experience and I often quit games when I get people like that on my team. It's a shame because I enjoy chatting real nonsense and have made loads of great friends back in the day just from random game team and pre lobby chats.

I hope when forge releases, the game will actually be ours instead of 343 letting us touch it.

I would LOVE to see the CE Plasma Rifle, Reach Needle Rifle, H2 Brute Shot, and a NEW sentinel weapon maybe with a function similar to and Incineration Canon make their way into infinite. I think at the very least THOSE 4 weapons have a very UNIQUE place in the Infinite sandbox.

Thanks for your content guys

Me and my friends will hop into game chat on warzone just to talk obscene amounts of shit through death comms. Also hilaruous getting enemy death comms. Probably one of my favorite bits about the MP. Have met plenty of chill randoms when we queues for a 4th

Fire Fight was always such a fun survival game mode for me and my siblings, we would make our Spartans look like ODSTs and turn off shields. To me it was on par with infection in terms of my enjoyment with the Halo experience. We spent HOURS doing and that and I really missed that from Halo Reach and ODST.

The mashup we needed

I 100% agree with the trash talk segment. A classic Xbox Live insult is always pleasant to see/hear, but some people can't tell the difference between trash talking and being a complete ass which creates the question of "where do we draw the line" with trash talking?

Love your content keep it up 💖😃

there exists a mute button for a reason... just block the chat if you feel attacked.

To be quite frank, people don't always have groups even after playing for years. Some of my tf2 friends played solo for 10+years until the past year. Lobbies are important to me with how quickly players turn over in halo. Hard to even find people post game. Just have an option to just turn off voice chat, or instantly leave lobbies when games are over. Definitively give options to report people.

I always thought forge firefight was the next thing I wanted to do but couldn't.

What a horrible take to want to filter voice chat for everyone just because some people *can* say mean words to you. And that *you* already have established groups to play with. New players or young players haven't had that experience yet. And denying that opportunity to be a part of the community for new or young players is just asking for your game to die off

24 minutes has never flown by so fast

Legendary level collaboration

More "LET'S ARGUE!" with The Act Man, please!

Someone was dropping n-bombs all game the other day. It was so nostalgic.

Yes this is what I've been waiting for

The topic of voice chat is the same as cross play were if u just get that bad moment it ruins the mood

I for one LOVE toxic lobbies. It's what made games like cod so much fun for me and many others. A lot of people fondly remember toxic lobbies. And if you don't like it you can just mute People it's very easy. I feel like infinite lobbies are dead and it's not because VC is dead, if I jump in a cod lobby it's always full of People talking shit and I love it. Halo just feels empty now

So, what if they were to open up a free-for-all sort of unfiltered chat BUT have options in the settings to, not only mute game chat altogether but to alter who you talk to and who can hear you, for example: only hear my team, only hear people on my friends list, etc. Wouldn’t that kinda be the best of both worlds?

I hope sometime that 343 does something like what bethesdia did with Skyrim regarding mods

Awesome video, great colab

Loved this video