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Halo 2's writing is just so good. That game's character interactions alone makes Halo 3's entire story development look abysmal by comparison. But Halo 2 just had some good characters overall imo Off the top: Sgt. Johnson, Miranda, Cortana, Lord Hood, 343 Guilty Spark, 2401 Penitent Tangent, Truth, Mercy, Regret, Tartarus, Rtas, The Heretic, Gravemind--like bruh I haven't even mentioned Chief or Arbiter yet and you already have a solid cast constantly interacting with each other and the others around them. Staten got it right when he made Chief respectively take a backseat and wrote other characters to be somewhat important, too. Shafting the Arbiter as a playable character in Halo 3 killed off the Covenant side of the story completely, and - on top of half of the original cast being dead now + removing Cortana from the game as a whole for 90% of it + dumbing down every other character to be in service *only* to Chief - the quality shift is almost unbearable and i refuse to acknowledge Halo 3 outside of a gameplay standpoint lmfao. Halo 2 blows every other Halo out of the water.

Did you play Halo Infinite?

@@Lord_TigerMan yes you get 2 minutes of Brutes talking to each other and even then the conversation is focused on Master Chief. Whereas in Halo 2 a whole half of the campaign is shown from the Covenants perspective.

Ye, you know why? Fans.

@@Lord_TigerMan Halo Infinite cutscenes from the enemy’s perspective: “Hey can you guys go kill Chief” “Alright” *Cutscene End*

I mean mgr opens with raiden suplexing a 10 story tall robot which is just as badass in my opinion

@@mysteriousstranger5873 oh yeah I'm Def not saying it isn't, these two companies just wanted to go as over the top as possible with their awesome scenes.

That was peak cinematic for Halo

“Where should I tell them to go mam’ ” “To war”

I know what the ladies like

@@gruntslayer167 🤮 if there is one thing I could fix from Halo 3 it's that

@@gruntslayer167 Reminds me of the line from the Predators movie: "How do we kill them?" "However you can." Okay but like, how though

honestly found it made her a generic damsel in distress and the story kept getting rid of her and bringing her back over and over

Halo Reach and Halo ODST (to an extent) took itself more serious. A lot of people still love Halo:Reach story and atmosphere to this day. Halo 4 to me still felt like “Halo” to me with a sense of scale and mystery, but remaining character focused on Chief and Cortana. While different from the Bungie games, I still enjoyed it very much and is one of my favorite campaigns in the series. Halo 5 was the only that lost that and I don’t even think I enjoyed Infinite’s campaign as much as 4 if I’m being honest.

@@Lord_TigerMan Yeah, I was just comparing trilogy to technical trilogy. Reach and ODST I'd absolutely say had a valid reason to drop the adventure-vibes because, like H4, they dropped it in order to actually *do* something that the adventure-vibes wouldn't fit with; the unavoidable slow-crawl towards death for the planet and Noble in Reach, and the crushing aimless loneliness in the Rookie-bits of ODST. H5 felt like it dropped the adventure just to fall in line with current-year generic Hollywood sci-fi; just conforming with norms and cliches instead of having *ANYTHING* interesting it was trying to do.

"Dear Sarge, kicking ass in outer space, wish you were here!" "I heard that, jackass!" Classic Halo in 2 lines. :)

@@SkywardShoe Yeah, that quick exchange is honestly one of the single-best examples of what I meant with the OG-trilogy dialogue making it feel like they're having fun despite the serious situation.

Thank you. Infinite has done much better at this I think. Wish there were more big cutscenes/set pieces but w/e

I feel the exact same way. It adds tension and it’s more relatable to reality. Not everyone is doing their best at all times and I think exposing Cortana’s vulnerability for being the most powerful ai humans had made at that point it adds so much depth and power to her character. I feel like people who shit on Cortana and graveminds dialogue in H3 are shallow as hell lol

Don't forget the joke made at the start of Halo 2: Soldier: "When are you going to tell me how you got off the ring?" Johnson: "That's classified." Soldier: "Classified my ass!"

Yes it's called growing up it's a good thing to do

@@Jodykang No I’d agree, no reason to shit the bed. I understand, that doesn’t make what I’ve said invalid. All of those games are great.

@@argo9721 It is. There’s quite a sobering feeling about it. You see the same patterns you did when you were younger, but with more intuitive understanding.

@@Jodykang honestly Elden ring feels meh, not revolutionary in anyway to me , at times it felt outdated in its mechanics. But I do agree with the rest of what you said.

Play more games.

By today standards, if for some reason CE could get away with his problems, h2 would have failed on d2 due to the glitch buttons.

It's a series becoming generic in hindsight, because it started the trope/trend, or at least executed on it in a way not seen before. Halo was the first time a console shooter actually played well and intuitively (Goldeneye fans will know what I'm talking about), as well as had the scale it did. So many shooters tried (and failed) to copy it in the early-mid 2000s, and even its successors in the franchise aren't really able to emulate the aspects that really made it special.

Guess they turned that into Halsey

CE didn't have big set pieces either. That's not the mark of good or bad

Fr though. It's the lack of this that's being played off with ''open world'' excuses. but in the end, reviewing it in comparison to the other games like anyone would, it fails to deliver in this regard. I think Halo Infinite is still very good. But I myself am a lover of scripted elements, and these setpieces that change the tide of the missions they are featured in. it especially pains me in Infinite seeing the wasted potential from some leftovers of cut/underused stuff lying around in campaign. But I'd rather judge it on the things that the game does have, because I still think the campaign is good.

@@metamuse42 CE is only good in the front half, the back half of the game is pretty boring with back tracking and lack of dialogue

@@metamuse42 I think he means more-so how the missions play out. For example Halo 3 has the Scarab battles, Halo CE had the warthog run, Halo 2 has metropolis. They are all VERY memorable levels. Infinite doesn't have quite the same staying power.

Remember that CE was the first game. IDEALLY, each game gets better and better. Many people view the campaigns as halo CE solid for what it was at the time, but 2, 3 and reach were undoubtedly superior. Infinite feels like a stepback almost.

Halo 3’s gameplay was way funner, and the visuals were epicer. Halo 2’s writing and dialogue were more intelligent. Halo CE was a beautiful simplicity.

​@@jamesbhollingsworth5452 Duel Wielding could have been improved upon by making damaged double but reduce the accuracy. The Brutes lost their identity and became glorified Elites and also their ranks are so hard to tell apart because they all are a bunch of BLUES! The Elites were barely present as allies so it made everything duller than a butter knife. The Flood were not fun to fight especially the ones that swapped forms from tank to the one that sticks itself on a wall that made it so if there were at least 6 on the wall, it's the equivalent of having a firing squad on you. The Spartan Laser existing more than proves my point about how poorly balanced the weapon sandbox is and how more UNSC favored rather than Covenant Favored. The Brute Weapons are uninspired (aside from the spiker) and reskins of other weapons (while sometimes that's fine, it's just that there should be a gimmick that comes with it) THE SPECTER was replaced by an UGLY reskin of the glory it was in Halo 2 (since that's the only game it ever shows up in) that didn't add to anything. No fire damage that was like napalm, it didn't shoot saw blades Mad Max style. It barely looks like something the brutes would use. It's not Apocolyptic Biker Monkey enough. Hell if it were a vehicle that launched large explosives it'd have been cool. The visuals for the game look ugly too. Lord Hood and Miranda for example look like a potato that you'd post on the internet because you can't tell if it was healthy or not. Halo 3 was and is still a shit Halo game that is worse than Halo Spartan Strike that was only carried further by Forge and Theater mode. That's my take.

@@TheRoseReaper Alls I’m saying is that I had more fun playing Halo 3. It had it’s flaws but overall I think Halo 2’s level design was more limiting, and the brutes were not fun to fight.

@@jamesbhollingsworth5452 to be honest I'd rather have 2 over 3 because at least Halo 2 Brutes are unique.

They are leaving them out

The Prometheans and now The Endless?

@@NotSoChattyYT yesnt

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I think it's sort of reached a point where if there's any minority it's just blown off as diversity quotas. Don't get me wrong, there's definitely minorities because they have diversity quotas to fill, but some good ones are beginning to get written off because of the precedent set before.

@@alostbaron781 yea I can definitely see that happening. I try not to fall into that trap. Like when I watched The Expanse and I loved damned all the characters. I felt like the women were natural in their roles and grew. My two favorite are Camina and Amos. With that being said most of hollywood thinks that if they just have a diverse cast then it will be loved. We have to honestly criticize something and not fall pray to seeing everything as woke.

I love Camina Drummer. She’s amazing

H3 and reach are probably the lower points regarding narrative and world building.

Don't get blinded by the Halo 2 anniversary cutscenes.

@@jackcolson4745 he is talking about dialogues, not graphic

Yeah, I did not get that one liner from Miranda about going to war or how the Gravemind instead of invading Earth chose to go to the Ark instead. Like seriously there is already a portal there on Earth.

And 7 months into the game.... Vast amounts of the original missing pieces are still nowhere to be seen. The anger remains valid.

I don't think it was premature when the missing content was IMMEDIATELY noticeable.

@@georgebowerman4003 yep, reading "the uproar was hella premature" cracked me up considering the content has been missing from DAY ONE. That's literally the opposite of "premature" lmao

I mean if CE writing is trash, then what does that make Halo 5 and Infinite? Halo 4 campaign definitely deviated but felt like a better way to conclude Halo rather than continuing the franchise. Halo infinite's campaign felt very empty despite being open world. Same sterile environment, limited enemy encounters that didn't revolve around main and side missions, and lacked any sense of high stakes. MC solo's the banish, solo's the harbinger, says goodbye to genocidal cortana, and completely backtracks by keeping her new clone around. People need to take away the nostalgic lens and see the campaign for what it really is...unfinished and uneventful.

@@samuelgiroux6819 maybe I should specify that I mean the dialog was trash. Like… incredibly bad. The plot was great. I mean, that’s what started it all. It couldn’t have been bad. The dialog though… terrible. And when I say the uproar was premature, I’m referring to the fact that this game was marketed as live service, meaning more content would be coming, but that content hasn’t come fast enough. We needed new maps months ago, and all we’ve gotten is literally two maps, which isn’t enough. For live service, I don’t think it started with too few maps/ content, but not enough has been released since launch. Soo, NOW, the leniency is undeserved, and the uproar is well deserved. I think they deserved more of a chance in the beginning though. Of course, I know this take will not get as many likes because the community has clearly shown that it thinks the uproar was just fine in the beginning, but hey… I really don’t give af. Lots of people have been wrong about other things before as well lol