A look at the 1943 specification British 24 hour ration. tinyurl.com/24hrrationguide www.oldtimedesigncompany.co.uk / riflemanmoore / riflemanmoore
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@gunnerjames10565 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video! This really is a very well researched and well presented video, along with links for even more information. I am fascinated by this topic. I can relate a little bit because I was issued ration packs when I was in the Royal Canadian Artillery. These WWII 24 and 48 hour ration packs were essential for an invading force that may not have had a regular supply of food, due to battle conditions. We had three ration packs per day on exercise. Breakfast, lunch, and supper, but not under the same conditions as someone detached from a regular supply by the Service corps. Our ration packs were for the time we were on the march, or away from any Service Corps. supply line. I considered the rations to be pretty damn good and plentiful. The standards we have today in ration packs is really quite incredible. As years have gone by, soldiers have been getting better and better ration packs. On an artillery live fire shoot exercise, we were actually supplied with a hot meal served from large thermal containers brought from base. WWII soldiers were also offered the same luxury once the Service corps. advanced to the position of stabilized advanced forces. 24 and 48 hour ration packs would have been a great comfort in the early days of an invasion such as D-Day. Thanks very much Rifleman Moore and the other fellows of MECo. Thanks Ramsey for your research.
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@thebuffs37945 жыл бұрын
I've just looked at the Old Time Design Company and it's wonderful. Thank you for the link !
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
No worries!
@1896JJM5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed this video; very informative! Would you consider making a video discussing how to reproduce or source the box contents?
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
There is a complete specificiation and instructions for this linked in the video description.
@ramseygreen8085 жыл бұрын
We could do this Simon. I took stills when I made the block you see in this film.
@darrenstride84934 жыл бұрын
Watching this to prepare for Montys Men next year! 😂...i think I'm gonna give up sugar until then!
@RiflemanMoore4 жыл бұрын
Good plan!
@EatsTreatsMREs3 жыл бұрын
Its amazing to see these. I would love to get hold of a repro sometime. Great video guys.
@jessmoorlag59203 жыл бұрын
Excellent video hope there's more to come
@Splodge5424 жыл бұрын
I'm just catching up with all these great videos. I found this really interesting. I don't hear the veterans talking about their rations much either because of the questions posed by the interviewer or more distressing memories which take precedence so this was very valuable. Thank-you guys. My grandfather blamed his chronic stomach pain on the WW1 rations but I don't know if this was a common complaint.
@davidmoore61974 жыл бұрын
An ex Grenadier Guardsman told me that whilst he was in the front line in Italy, he was issued about 60 cigarettes a day. He said he often got more than this, as the Salvation Army would supplement rations. Interestingly he said the same thing that I heard from my own Grandfather that the Salvation Army were extremely brave and well respected, as they would get up as close to the front line as possible and distribute, coffee, tea, doughnuts, magazines etc.
@stevenmc562 жыл бұрын
So cool of you to do this thank you very much.
@london2resistance3 жыл бұрын
My search for a British WW2 ration pack is over, great video
@glenchapman50215 жыл бұрын
At last a proper review on ww2 british rations. Good job
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Glad you approve. It's important to not though It's quite a sepcific ration for a specific purpose, most of the time troops were provided with compo or fresh rations where possible.
@thebuffs37945 жыл бұрын
Thanks awfully for these videos chaps. I can't wait to give this a try.
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Hope it goes well!
@thebuffs37945 жыл бұрын
@@RiflemanMoore many thanks !
@MichaelR585 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing , great information !
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to Ramsey for all the hard work researching it.
@paulelliott38395 жыл бұрын
Top vid! I have been trying to replicate a decent 24 hr ration for several seasons now with varying success. I found information on this subject difficult to come by but I have managed. Main difficulty was separating fact from fiction. I can’t believe how many fake items are about! I also found slight differences in the Canadian version. My ration pack I have made using no edible contents so I don’t have to worry about storage but I will have a go at an edible version thanks to you guys! Cheers!
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
It took Ramsey info from the National Archives to put this together. Very grateful of his research I must say!
@whatnowstinky5 жыл бұрын
all this ration business reminded me, with great fondness, of a saying my grandfather had, I'm assuming from his WW2 AIF service. generally delivered during the meal at a full family gathering which he himself had cooked. delivered, with suitable voices, as if coming from men in different parts of a crowded mess tent. "Who called the cook a bastard?" short pause "Who called the bastard a cook!"
@RiflemanMoore4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic anecdote, thanks for sharing!
@landser403 жыл бұрын
I know that this video has been up a long time but I have only just found it. Have you seen the video called "Army Catering (1944)" on you tube from British Pathe? it shows, amongst other things, the British 24 ration box in use including making a nice cup of tea. There are also a few compo ration in there as well.
@RiflemanMoore3 жыл бұрын
Indeed so, it's an excellent primary resource.
@oajh22525 жыл бұрын
Very interesting!
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it so!
@graemer36574 ай бұрын
The meat block looks like pemmican. Great video. Mix the meat gravy and the oatmeal and you make Burgoo, which was a Royal Navy staple in the age of sail.
@bushcraftbasics20363 жыл бұрын
Great video. Any clarity on how long and at what temperature to cook the oatmeal blocks?
@ryley92954 жыл бұрын
Great video how do you make the meat block
@criffermaclennan5 жыл бұрын
I can feel my blood sugar rising after hearing how much sugar was in there lol
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Quite, definitely a high sugar ration.
@Nooziterp13 жыл бұрын
Now we know why diabetics weren't allowed to join up.
@kenneth49922 жыл бұрын
Is there close up pictures available of the original 24 hour ration pack? Thank you and GOD Bless you and your families
@steveday12575 жыл бұрын
Slightly OT but we got issued with some Compo rations in 72 in the JLR and I had a tin of processed cheese ( cheese possessed) dated 1956. and a tin of Damson jam from 1960.
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Waste not want not I suppose! Fascinating to hear, thanks for sharing.
@freebeerfordworkers5 жыл бұрын
You got tinned cheese processed way into the 1980s and I thought it was fine, particularly with one of the plain army biscuits.
@steveday12575 жыл бұрын
Biscuits AB :) I like Biscuits fruit same hard tack but with currents added .@@freebeerfordworkers
@andrewjohnston41275 жыл бұрын
Definitely going to give this a go, I have one that's been made up but never wanted to try anything as it's just been a display piece . One thing I did notice was after a time the boiled sweets I had started to go soft and leaked out so for now I've left them out.to be fair they'd been in there for about 5 years and were probably well past their sell by 😁 where did you find the toilet paper that's used in the box?
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the boiled sweets can draw moisture out of the air if it's humid enough and given enough time. As mentioned in the article describing how to make the ration which is linked in the description the latrine paper is Izal, it can still be picked up on eBay I believe.
@etaylor4955 жыл бұрын
I tried one of those oatmeal blocks at Keighley - they were surprisingly nice. The meat block looked less than appetising though so I was surprised when you said it wasn't that bad. Also, are you planning any videos on the compo ration?
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
We'd really like to do one on compo but I'm not sure when we'll be able to.
@jonathanparry78242 жыл бұрын
the german chocolate certainly had drugs in
@garyplummer12332 жыл бұрын
How do I make the tea block
@sarchlalaith88364 жыл бұрын
Do you guys have any plans to do the Canadian made British jungle ration?
@RiflemanMoore4 жыл бұрын
Not at present, it's something I'll chat to Ramsey about next I see him!
@MultiWatcher1000 Жыл бұрын
Was this also used in late war period, for example in april 1945 ?
@davidbrennan6605 жыл бұрын
Water might be bad, chlorinated, hot sweet tea... hot ice cream.
@matthewweeks1133 жыл бұрын
I clicked on the guide and it said it was deleted?
@DevilbyMoonlight3 жыл бұрын
So thats the Bully beef and buscuits my grandad used to tell me about....
@RiflemanMoore3 жыл бұрын
Bully beef is tinned corned beef, the dehydrated meat block in this is somewhat different.
@phantom123218005 жыл бұрын
Does Ramsey have a contact he would not mind sharing? I attempted to recreate the meat blocks and had some struggles and would love to ask him a few questions about preparing it.
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
I might be able to put you in touch, do you have a facebook page?
@phantom123218005 жыл бұрын
@@RiflemanMoore Yup! sent you a message from there. Thanks!
@simonh63714 жыл бұрын
I think the myth about the chocolate having been spiced up with amphetamine has it's roots in 2 things which were issued to the Wehrmacht in WW2. Firstly Schokacola, chocolate in round tins, contained caffeine and cola nut extract. Then there was what was known as Panzerschokolade, which wasn't chocolate, but pervitine (methamphetamine) tablets which were issued.
@RiflemanMoore4 жыл бұрын
Interesting, possibly so!
@claudesturm67064 жыл бұрын
Looking at the recipe for the meat block, I have to ask for clarification. What is the “meat drippings”? Great videos.
@tseftz4 жыл бұрын
the fat you get from cooking meat - you can still get beef dripping in tubs and wraps from the butter and spread sections of (at least some British) supermarkets
@claudesturm67064 жыл бұрын
Tom Sefton thank you sir
@kentuckyburbon17773 жыл бұрын
Griebenschalz is delicious, easy to make and good for you
@spencerdodds22072 жыл бұрын
Eat ya heart out Steve1989!
@AlphawolfKing3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a how to make a repro 24 hour ration video?
@RiflemanMoore3 жыл бұрын
It's a some what involved process best laid out in written instructions.
@sarchlalaith88364 жыл бұрын
Mutton is the best. Not just in rations, the best over all
@RiflemanMoore4 жыл бұрын
I likewise have a taste for it.
@alundavies84023 жыл бұрын
It is difficult to get nowadays though isn’t it
@sarchlalaith88363 жыл бұрын
@@alundavies8402 yes indeed
@Nooziterp13 жыл бұрын
I wonder if it bunged you up like 1980s ration packs?
@RiflemanMoore3 жыл бұрын
I'd imagine so, it's high in sodium and sugar and no ruffage.
@gunnerjames10565 жыл бұрын
I don't know if you have found a way to simulate a wax impregnated box or not, but I believe I have found the perfect method. I have posted a video on my channel on this very method. Take a look if you get a chance and let me know what you think.
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, Ramsey has a method, I think it is detailed in the instructions for reproducing the ration which he produced.
@mattmagee1805 жыл бұрын
What was being used from 1939-40?
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
What do you mean exactly? There wasn't an equivalent ration to the 24 or the 48 hour ration in '39-'40.
@mattmagee1805 жыл бұрын
What did the typical ration look like in for a soldier 1940? What food was he issued and carried with him before the fall of France? What did the 48 hour and the 24 hour ration replace?
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
They didn't replace anything perse as I said. The idea of providing troops with a compact ration or rations which could keep them going for 48 hours away from direct support hadn't been refined early in the war, it is a concept which really emerges in 1941; it is in actuality a fairly modern concept. As a concept it has it's roots in the Great War when extra biscuit and a tin of bully beef might be issued in addition to the usual daily ration if troops were expected to be cut off from supply lines for a time. However, as I say there was no direct equivalent to the 48 or 24 hour ration in '39-'40. Troops were provided with daily rations, as I understand it the scales were similar to those of the Great War before compo with fresh provisions where possible, bully beef and biscuit where not. Troops were required to carry an emergency ration at this time though it is not exactly clear what this consisted of. The type consisting of chocolate in gold-lacquered tins doesn't seem to pre-date 1941 judging by extant examples.
@allenprior85735 жыл бұрын
Matt Magee just to add to what has been said. In 1939/40 cooking was done centrally at platoon or company level and the food issued out. At most the soldier might carry some preserved meat and biscuits i.e. "the unconsumed portion of the day's ration".
@ramseygreen8085 жыл бұрын
Matt Magee - precisely what Allen said!
@longrider423 жыл бұрын
Would not "Meat Extract Cubes" Be called Beef Bullion cubes? today? You'd eat of the meat "soup" if you'd been marching and fighting all day. As a long distant hiker, now retired, due to bad knee's. I ate things every day that I'd never do when at home. But I sill like SPAM.
@fdsman3 жыл бұрын
The pdf guide has been deleted.
@lukerobson6095 жыл бұрын
This looks like something that Steve1989MREInfo would be interested in
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
I rather thought he focused on original items only?
@lukerobson6095 жыл бұрын
Rifleman Moore I believe you're right, but I wouldn't be surprised if he made an exception for this one
@BedsitBob5 жыл бұрын
Four sheets of toilet paper? That's one sheet more than was officially deemed necessary. The three sheets were supposed to be used as follows:- One sheet for up and down, one sheet for side to side, and one sheet for polishing. 😀
@RiflemanMoore5 жыл бұрын
Ah, in WW2 the regs were different, you made do with two but were allowed to go twice...
@Nooziterp13 жыл бұрын
Boiled sweets? Where is the dubbin, broken glass and old copies of Newsweek? Only fellow Monty Python fans will know what I mean.
@MetalsirenIXI3 жыл бұрын
For the tea you could add more water same for that meat ?
@demonprinces173 жыл бұрын
No audio couldn't watch
@mortegi3 жыл бұрын
You guys are not properly dressed ....wheres your anoraks.....lol