I found this very interesting. I have my Dad's WW2 Prismatic Marching Compass made by T.G. Co LTD, NoB 271252, 1944 MKIII. He was in the US Army Air Corp and served in the UK during the war.
@historicmilitaria1944 Жыл бұрын
Nice t g co being the gramophone company....after ww2 it would merge with the his masters voice company.
@hgm8337 Жыл бұрын
I'd get the radium removed, if you can, otherwise have it destroyed
@TheJG19478 жыл бұрын
I had no doubts that you would reply, however, I never thought you would do it so soon, thank you!
@oldeafcoot8 жыл бұрын
The British prismatic compass is a very well made and sophisticated instrument. The British Army doesn't use it much these days. The type of land navigation that they have adopted is the terrain association method that uses a compass as an adjunct and the orienteering or baseplate compass is used in this method. The dead reckoning method that uses a sighting compass has been largely replaced by the GPS receiver.
@historicmilitaria19448 жыл бұрын
+oldeafcoot thanks for the info, much appreciated
@SureshKaria9 жыл бұрын
thank you it is very informative!
@andreedowns456122 күн бұрын
Yep, the one...Lovely😅...two is good too...?.....Pouches...that is...😊....You gotta beat the clock...😮
@MrDaedalusWren9 жыл бұрын
The video was very good except for a few misinformation facts. The Radium you mentioned was in fact used as the luminous paint that allowed the compass to be used even in the dead of night without exterior illumination. The compass you are showing Has the radium 226 still intact. it is the brownish coloured paint on the clamping ring in the North position that used to illuminate the lubber line there. Since the Radium 226 is still there I can only assume that the rest of the lines and even the North arrow on the compass card (mother of pearl) is also painted in the radium 226 paint. Now the fluid which came standard in those compasses were isopropal alcohol, where you may be getting confused is that over the years, the alcohol in contact with the radium on the card and under it made the alcohol itself radioactive also. Dealing with these old compasses is a dangerous job and should not be undertaken by anyone but those experienced in radioactive items. Even the vapors contained within the compass, if opened for fluid change or topup, will give off radon gas. Some old compasses have been serviced and the alcohol removed to replace with clean alcohol or clarified kerosene, which in time, exposed to the radium 226 will also become contaminated. Collectors of these compasses usually do one of two things. They keep them put away and not close to any living quarters. (basic rule i believe is 15 feet). Or they get them serviced by professionals that I believe some will remove the radium 226 and repaint the illuminators with modern glow paint or replace the illuminators with tritium lights. it is said, wearing one of these compasses around your neck for a day gives you the yearly allowable dosage of radiation you would receive from chest x-rays. just FYI, the halflife of Radum 226 is approximately 1600 years. so even though it is not glowing anymore it is still radioactive for about 3000 years.
@jameskoett9 жыл бұрын
Daedalus Wren I have a T.G. Co. Ltd., London no. B 1940 MK3 Compass. The arrow still points correctly, but there does not appear to be any fluid inside. I also do not get any glow from anywhere on this compass in the dark. How does one re-fill compass? I know by the appearance and markings etc, as described in this video that mine is authentic. Any more info on this compass greatly appreciated.
@MrDaedalusWren9 жыл бұрын
james koett As I mentioned, the Radium 226 that was used in these compasses is still a hazard for around 3000 years, so any work performed on these compasses, including top up, is at your own risk and not advisable. However, for compasses of this type in general, like the newer and safe Stanley of London compasses that use tritium lights, there are two screws on either side at the E and W points that can be removed to remove the compass from the case. from their you will find a screw on the side of the removed compass that you can open to fill with 90% or more Isopropal alcohol. The problem being. if the compass is empty, then you have a leak in the compass and most likely will lose any liquid you replace if it is not repaired. Which can be the filler screw seal or the lens seal, as was most common with these compasses. It is nice to have it full as original, but may be more hassle then it is worth. The fluid was there to dampen the movement of the compass card but is not a necessary requirement for operation. I hope this helps.
@AROTTWEILERR8 жыл бұрын
+james koett read my comments further up.. good luck
@jameskoett8 жыл бұрын
Wow! scary stuff. Excellent info. I am now thinking of getting a display case that is clear, yet sealed tight to keep from being harmed. I'm sure very few people are aware of the dangers, yet I'm sure many are carried about, handled and displayed. Thanks for very much for comments.
@sgoody12 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this info Wayne. I have a Mk III which also appears to have radium. Do you have any suggestions on who is qualified to service these, and any idea on the cost, or is it just not worth the trouble? Any advice, much appreciated.
@user-ht4yg3in3q2 жыл бұрын
It is an old one. Its age is about 60 years.
@clonmore8196 жыл бұрын
I have one of these. It reads on the base EAG No 8, (WD arrow pointing up 1943 MKIIIHard to see if there is any liquid in the mother of pearl compass disc.Beautifully made. Are they really that dangerous?
@historicmilitaria19446 жыл бұрын
although they have radium in them, they are no more dangerous than a luminous watch of the period, tho one would not want to lick the contents!!!
@user-ht4yg3in3q2 жыл бұрын
Its age is more than 60. It was made in 1942
@johnowen16772 жыл бұрын
Dud, I have a TG Co. Ltd compass shown as a mark 1. With the number B319576. It appears original. I picked it up at a jumble sale. Is it an early one please? Also is it still possible to find out who it was issued to?
@historicmilitaria19442 жыл бұрын
Army service corps,Scottish rifles and scottish fusiliers had b prefix serial numbers....you may be able to find the guys serial number on one of those ancestry sites which have access to mitary records.
@BeachHunter101 Жыл бұрын
Hi mate! I have one of these and a P9 model compass the big one that went on an aircraft. I have just been reading about the radium paint that they used. And I have been reading that they a pretty safe if you are not near them but mine have been under my bed for about 7-8 years. They have both been in a plastic box but I'm quite worried if I have been exposed to radiation for that period of time. Are they really that dangerous? Plus I remember when I got the p9 compass the lid/top that has got the N E S W on was loose and I took the top off it. I'm wondering if I have exposed myself to it that way as well. I havent commented on your videos for ages but I still watch them all. Thank you. Take care
@historicmilitaria1944 Жыл бұрын
Hi,the radium is in the paint...as long as you havent licked it,chewed it.....or broken bits off so the particles become airborne so as to breathe it in you will be fine....theres three ways for radioactive contamination to enter the body...ingestion....inhilation ....or absorption through an open wound. The risk of being radioactive contaminated by just having the thing laying about is negligible....its when the paint chips into flakes and gets into your body that's the risk....realistically in a year you will absorb more natural radiation from the sun by being outdoors than you will from a compass......if you carried the prismatic compass in your trouser pocket every day,24 hours a day for 85 days.....you will absorb the same amount of radiation that a nuclear plant worker will get in over a year in his natural job.....and nuclear workers are not exposed to radiation 24 hours a day ,7 days a week,12 months of the year....so as long as you dont eat it...its fine. ..
@BeachHunter101 Жыл бұрын
@@historicmilitaria1944 Thank you very much for your reply and the brilliant information. you've put my mind at rest. Much appreciated. Looking forward to your next upload. All the best 👍
@spodbod1100 Жыл бұрын
What oil should be used if it needs replacing?
@historicmilitaria1944 Жыл бұрын
Paraffin based spirit
@ronyelhajj61872 жыл бұрын
Hello dear i have a 1941 MK3 compass had mother of pearl inside painted black.. im wondering is it safe to handle or to put any place in home? Cz im reading articles about radiations and how dangerous it is.. thank you
@historicmilitaria19442 жыл бұрын
The radioactive bit is the luminous paint on the dial under the glass,as long as it is not taken apart and the paint scraped off it will be safe......as for contamination...you would have to have the item constantly in your pocket for 100 days to get the same amount of radiation a worker in the nuclear industry would get in a year....if you are uneasy about it being on display,wrap it or place in a wooden box on a shelf.
@SuperJammygit7 жыл бұрын
Is it a hard job to refill the liquid ,as i have a bubble in mine
@historicmilitaria19447 жыл бұрын
hi, most will have an air bubble, I would not recommend refilling as they are never correct again
@Frodillicus14 жыл бұрын
@@historicmilitaria1944 why wouldn't it be correct again? I'm sure if you topped it up as in the Army Equipment Support Publication 6605-c-101-522 October 1996 paragraph 12 Compass filling and liquid. Submerge completely in isopropyl alcohol then reseal the screw with varnish, the mother of pearl disk will lay flat and spin on the correct plane. One can find this released work instruction in PDF format online.
@user-ht4yg3in3q2 жыл бұрын
May I know what kind of liquid? Is it alcohol or kerosene ?
@historicmilitaria19442 жыл бұрын
Alcohol,but in a rebuild lamp oil should work fine
@markgallicano8 жыл бұрын
does anybody know how to remove a bubble in the fluid off this compass and where the fill plug is . I don't want to do the trial and error on my mk111
@historicmilitaria19448 жыл бұрын
+markgallicano its better left alone, they are not really meant to be disassembled...perhaps if you look on the likes of e bay,i think you may find a manual/handbook which may give the info you require???
@markgallicano8 жыл бұрын
+C J Campbell Thanks CJ
@historicmilitaria19448 жыл бұрын
markgallicano no prob.
@AROTTWEILERR8 жыл бұрын
+markgallicano there is a guy on the net in uk that refurbishes these... kerosene topup.... tritium replacement and case work.... kerosene fill and titium replace if i remember is about 80 knicker
@SmallArcFlash7 жыл бұрын
I have a compass, looks identical to this, except on the bottom. It says Stanley London. Is mine a real or fake?
@historicmilitaria19447 жыл бұрын
from your description, no idea, military ones will be dated tho
@SmallArcFlash7 жыл бұрын
C J Campbell Any idea where I might be able to find more info on these compasses?
@historicmilitaria19447 жыл бұрын
probably if you type prismatic marching compass into google search it will put something up..
@Frodillicus14 жыл бұрын
Blair, if it says stanley London, with a number above it and 6605-99-537-9034 or similar NSN it's a G150 stanley marching compass, and it's not fake, not all military compasses are dated. Nor do they have the crows foot arrow on them.
@user-ht4yg3in3q2 жыл бұрын
I got broken one .I fixed it easily by adding more alcohol
@historicmilitaria19442 жыл бұрын
Nice they can be refilled just dont break or chip the paint on the face of the dial...that's the risky bit,radioactive paint
@user-ht4yg3in3q2 жыл бұрын
@@historicmilitaria1944 Thanx, I got it
@lindawalsh51894 жыл бұрын
Hi there i have a compass T.G.CO.LTD London B 39819 1940 :MK 111 How much would it cost please
@historicmilitaria19444 жыл бұрын
hi, if its a genuine example and not a made in india replica, the price would be £50, e bay has various listed and it sould not be difficult to get an all round price
@TheJG19478 жыл бұрын
Hello there, Would you be so kind, if you know that is; I am sure that you do. I have a few oil filled compasses, which need some attention, however, I do not know where to start. Could you tell me how to dismantle them, so that I can replace the oil rings and so forth? Kind Regards Joseph
@AROTTWEILERR8 жыл бұрын
+TheJG1947 please read my comment further up the list, you will get sorted i assure you
@AROTTWEILERR8 жыл бұрын
+C J Campbell there is a pdf file available online, ive got one but dont know how to link it for you
@historicmilitaria19448 жыл бұрын
AROTTWEILERR thanks but its ok..i tend not to mess with any compass that comes in.
@AROTTWEILERR8 жыл бұрын
C J Campbell a slight missunderstanding, im not refering to you, there are people who restore these as a business, and was attempting to let others know that the services exist and did not see anybody on your comment section being aware of this, so ive done your vid a favor ...cheers
@historicmilitaria19448 жыл бұрын
AROTTWEILERR no prob...
@alijahangir38745 жыл бұрын
Dud i have this copass,,so do u have any roughly idea ..pr today ..what's is the price . L.mt.London ,1940,NA 266322 .I have this one ...reply must plz