British Guys React to Why the MLB BANNED Their Greatest Player! (REACTION)

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DN Reacts

Күн бұрын

In this MLB & Baseball Reaction video, British guys react to the shocking reason MLB banned Pete Rose for life. This has to be one of Baseball’s biggest controversy’s, the Cincinnati Reds legend found himself embroiled in so many issues! As we have our eyes opened to this controversial issue, watch British guys express their opinions and amazement towards the MLB's decision on one of the greatest baseball icons in history. We find out the reasons behind this ban and how it affected Pete Rose's career in this epic Baseball Reaction.
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@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
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@1984Musicforever
@1984Musicforever Жыл бұрын
Batteries to throw at people. When I was in HIGH SCHOOL our football team had batteries thrown at us in pre game. It only gets worse the higher the stakes.
@gregcable3250
@gregcable3250 Жыл бұрын
You should do a good documentary on Roberto Clemente--who was far better than Rose in every aspect of the game and died in a plane crash trying to get supplies to Nicaragua after a terrible earthquake. Great man, great story.
@Mikino1976
@Mikino1976 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Cincinnati in the 1970s. My dad told me to be like Pete Rose and run over the catcher if he was in the way. I did it and I was the first kid kicked out of a game in our little league. I said to my dad “you told me to be like Pete Rose.”
@PlumbingGroyper
@PlumbingGroyper Жыл бұрын
I didn’t grow up in the 70s, but my dad did. And he still tells me to play like Pete Rose
@rh9477
@rh9477 Жыл бұрын
Ugh, I was a 10-year-old Reds fan when the ban came down. It was one of those loss-of-innocence moments for me growing up. I tried to tell myself that he only bet on the Reds to win and would never throw a game. I have to admit, it’s very weird seeing DraftKings ads all over the ballpark after how hard they came down on Rose
@derpderpin1568
@derpderpin1568 Жыл бұрын
It's such a bummer seeing gambling promoted everywhere now in all our crumbling cities that are already full of poverty. We've gone insanely far backwards as a country with gambling. It's so useless and life destroying.
@jessescott775
@jessescott775 Жыл бұрын
I was about the same age when my football hero Mike Vick had his little incident 😂. Talk about loss of innocence
@mistertwister2000
@mistertwister2000 11 ай бұрын
@@derpderpin1568Both that and the resurgence of massive nicotine addiction in younger Americans with vaping. It absolutely sucks that these addictions are being directly fed by official companies rather than being fought
@Beltran15x
@Beltran15x Жыл бұрын
betting in baseball is the cardinal sin, its a written rule that any player who gets caught betting on baseball is banned for life. its written in every team's locker room this is because of the 1919 black sox scandal that almost bankrupted the league.
@proteuswest1084
@proteuswest1084 Жыл бұрын
Some important context: there was a huge scandal that almost destroyed baseball in 1919 when the World Series was thrown by a team who was paid off by bookmakers. All of those players were banned for life (arguably, even an innocent one) and there is a standing rule that is printed in every clubhouse that gambling on games is strictly prohibited for players or managers, and violating that rule is a lifetime ban. I think there isn't much question that Pete Rose's on field accomplishments would qualify him for the Hall of Fame, but baseball also doesn't have their leading career home run hitter in the Hall either for outside reasons that also relate to competition (steroids). I may be in the minority, but I think he's shown that given any chance to be in the public eye, he'll find some way to be an embarrassment to MLB. There are plenty of people who are already in the Hall of Fame from way back when who were awful human beings, so I respect that baseball is willing to take a stand and is willing to prevent more from joining those prestigious ranks.
@docbearmb
@docbearmb Жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct on all counts.
@peterandjunko
@peterandjunko Жыл бұрын
Thanks for adding the context of the 1919 Black Sox scandal. Baseball has always dealt with game participants gambling much harsher than other sports because of this. If Ivan Toney were a ball player he’d be in much more trouble than an 8 month suspension.
@Kingeptacon
@Kingeptacon Жыл бұрын
Also of note, one of the players who was banned in 1919, Shoeless Joe Jackson was on pace to arguably be the greatest player of all-time. He had a career batting average of .356 which would place him fourth all-time.
@derpderpin1568
@derpderpin1568 Жыл бұрын
@@Kingeptacon Though a batting average vs pitchers of 1919 is not nearly worth the same as it is vs. modern pitchers today.
@Kyle_116
@Kyle_116 Жыл бұрын
There's actually 7 arguably innocent players among the banned 1919 Black Sox members. 7 players, Shoeless Joe Jackson included, were found innocent in court in 1921 but the commissioner ignored that and maintained everyone being banned.
@ajrocks44
@ajrocks44 Жыл бұрын
Rose running over the catcher in the Allstar game is so rare it had never happened in an Allstar game and has not happened since. For context, the Allstar game has been around since 1933, and when 2133 comes around and the 200th AS game will be played, even then, it still will not of happened, but once.
@nathansimpson5721
@nathansimpson5721 Жыл бұрын
It reminds me of when Sean Taylor of the Washington Redskins absolutely destroyed the Bills punter Brian Moorman in the Pro Bowl
@lvbfan
@lvbfan Жыл бұрын
The batteries originally came from portable radios, which were popular in the 70s and 80s; a few local sports fans STILL prefer to listen to their local radio guys over the PA announcer. Many cell phones in the US have FM radios, so it's still at least a bit common to see someone listening on headphones. Also, once it was known that batteries were good to throw at players, people began saving old ones and just bringing them to games (like the fireworks at 10¢ Beer Night).
@nathansimpson5721
@nathansimpson5721 Жыл бұрын
I love the idea of listening to the radio at the ballpark, everytime I do it I notice a huge delay though.
@lvbfan
@lvbfan Жыл бұрын
@@nathansimpson5721 Once upon a time, there wasn't a delay. The cool thing was, if you were sitting in center field you could hear the crack of the bat on your radio a fraction of a second before you'd hear it in person... because the speed of light is just THAT MUCH FASTER than the speed of sound!
@nathansimpson5721
@nathansimpson5721 Жыл бұрын
@@lvbfan wtf that’s insane. I’m only 22 years old, but I love listening to Cardinals radio broadcasts. There’s something special about a good radio call
@soulcornflake1
@soulcornflake1 Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that most of Rose's off-field indiscretions weren't publicized until much later. Back then the news media were into promoting heroes, especially to kids. So he was a childhood hero to lots of kids. Now the news media is ready to show every issue within hours of it happening.
@wreckingKREW1
@wreckingKREW1 Жыл бұрын
That worm turning can most fairly be linked to Woodward and Bernstein blowing Watergate wide open. Before then the media wasn't as adversarial with pols,athletes,movie stars,you name it. There's some good and some bad that have come about due to that relationship changing. I personally tend to lead more towards it being a good thing, but far from perfect for sure.
@MetroCSN
@MetroCSN Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose was banned for violating rule 21(d)3, instituted in 1927. It was put in the rules because there were a lot of instances of players betting against their own teams and fixing the outcome of games to win their bets. To paraphrase the rule: Any player, team official [owner, manager, team scout, general manager, etc.], umpire, or league official who bets on a game in which they have a direct interest shall be permanently banned. Pete Rose admitted to violating this rule while he was a manager. Being banned also denies admittance to the Hall of Fame. Therefore, it doesn't matter how he played and he was a great, intense player, by his banishment for betting on his own team, he is banned from baseball and the Hall of Fame.
@MetroCSN
@MetroCSN Жыл бұрын
The rule clearly does not distinguish between betting for or against the team you work for. An owner for the Philadelphia Philles was also banned under this rule, and he bet on his team to win.
@erolbulut2584
@erolbulut2584 Жыл бұрын
Pete served his time in Federal prison in Marion, Illinois. That, ironically is Ray Fosse's hometown. The view from Pete's cell window was of a baseball field named after Fosse!
@Efilnikufesin76
@Efilnikufesin76 Жыл бұрын
If you have heard the term "Charlie Hustle" it was the nickname given to Pete Rose for the constant effort he always gave. Never let up running to first on a grounder, Never thought he couldn't make the play. 100% effort all the time, would not give up on the result due to lack of trying. Granted he had a bunch of other shady things go on off the field, he did play his heart out though.
@TrevvettKnots
@TrevvettKnots Жыл бұрын
Years ago I worked with a guy who grew up and went to school with Pete Rose … he told me that everyone that knew Pete wasn’t at all surprised at the gambling claims … he was gambling in high school …
@sacrilegiousboi
@sacrilegiousboi Жыл бұрын
Nick makes a good point about the batteries it was pre cell phone days it was probably for radios
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
Thank you Wes!
@caedmon232
@caedmon232 Жыл бұрын
Correct, old school transistor radios to listen the radio broadcast of the game.
@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace
@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace Жыл бұрын
The Bud Harrelson vs Pete Rose fight: What Harrelson said was "The Reds look like ME hitting!". He was taking a dig at himself too! Harrelson was a "glove first" player. He was not a good major league hitter but he became a star because of his glove! One of the best fielding Shortstops of his era.
@MichaelRivera-ns2dd
@MichaelRivera-ns2dd Жыл бұрын
One thing to remember about gambling in baseball, is that as a manager you have to handle your team's bullpen. No one can ever know if maybe you kept the pitcher into long or took a pitcher out to eatly because you were gambling on your team to win. Major league pitchers are very fragile and must be handled correctly when it comes to how much rest they get.
@BrettNance37
@BrettNance37 Жыл бұрын
He was my dad’s favorite player growing up- wanted to play just like him. My dad will hardly talk about Pete anymore, he was so heartbroken by everything he’s done. Betting on baseball has been one of the biggest no-nos for players and managers for over a century now, to the point that it’s posted in all clubhouses, but Pete did it anyway. He denied it for ages, then when he finally admitted it (far too late), he still acts like a prick about it all. I was on a baseball stadium trip in 2016 and went to the Reds game when they happened to be inducting him into their own HOF… while accepting the honor, he made cracks about his history and about how he didn’t have a statue in front of the stadium like Johnny Bench, and so on. Not a humble bone in that dude’s body. His talent came from pure hard work and hustle, and he may have the most hits ever, but he made his bed and proceeded to shit in it. No Baseball HOF for him.
@willrahe6023
@willrahe6023 Жыл бұрын
Saw Pete in my hotel lobby 2 summers back, I interrupted his dinner just to shake his hand... he then told me to bring my food over and sit with him where we proceeded to have dinner together and talk for the next 3 1/2 hours before he finally had to go to bed. He told me so many amazing and hilarious stories. Growing up a baseball player and reds fan this was an unbeatable experience as a 19 year old. Saw him again the next morning and he invited me to sit w/ him for breakfast (I had to catch a flight). From my personal experience, Pete is one of the friendliest, funniest, and selfless people I have ever had the privilege to talk to.
@gracielynn9623
@gracielynn9623 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for finally reacting to a video by baseball doesn’t exist! This is the absolute best baseball KZfaq channel on the planet!
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
You’re welcome Gracie 🤝 Think it was our 2nd to BDE. First one was something like Dumbest Things in Baseball I think
@gracielynn9623
@gracielynn9623 Жыл бұрын
@@DNReacts yep you’re right. I remember that one.
@CheekandBluster
@CheekandBluster Жыл бұрын
On Damo's question of who was the oldest "outfielder" to play in MLB, it's a slightly tricky question. First, I take it that by "outfielder" he meant "non-pitcher." According to the records, there was a utility infielder named Charley O'Leary who pinch-hit in a game in September 1934 at the age of 58. In more recent times, Minnie Miñoso made a couple of pinch-hitting appearances in 1980 at the age of 54 (or thereabouts - Miñoso was born in Cuba, and there's no way to really verify his birthdate). The oldest outfield player to appear "regularly" in MLB was Julio Franco, who played in 55 games in the 2007 season, the last one when he was just over 49 years old.
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! Really appreciate the info. 58 and 54 are insane! Can’t imagine in today’s game that could happen. Great comment 🙏
@chrishornbostel9831
@chrishornbostel9831 Жыл бұрын
A fascinating player documentary about Lonnie Smith done by Jon Bois is absolutely worth a watch. A youtube video that's as good as any professional documentary out there.
@fermisparadox01
@fermisparadox01 Жыл бұрын
Skates ⛸️
@Zach-mw5so
@Zach-mw5so Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose has 4,256 career hits. To put that into perspective, a player today would have to AVERAGE 212 hits per year for 20 years. Today players are insanely good if they get to 200 hits in a season. Now you just need to do that for 20 YEARS and you'll get close to Pete Rose. An unbreakable record if you ask me
@MDK2_Radio
@MDK2_Radio Жыл бұрын
That's what they used to say when Ty Cobb was the only member of the 4,000 hit club. Ichiro certainly would have broken Rose's record if he had spent his entire professional career in MLB. Someone eventually will do it.
@Zach-mw5so
@Zach-mw5so Жыл бұрын
@@MDK2_Radio no way. I don’t see it happening.
@MDK2_Radio
@MDK2_Radio Жыл бұрын
@@Zach-mw5so your ability or inability to picture it has nothing to do with the possibility. If you want to discuss a record's supposed unbreakability, it has to be one that ridiculously beyond the #2 spot on the list, for example the alltime career strikeout record held by Nolan Ryan. Rose broke but didn't shatter Cobb's record. It's only 100 or so hits over Cobb's. Ichiro could have passed Rose if he started here 7 years earlier. The only impediment to it ever happening is the way most baseball players are developed now. It's no coincidence that the most recent throwback-style MLB superstars (Ohtani, who can pitch AND hit like Babe Ruth, and Ichiro, who was like Ty Cobb without the insane anger issues) are Japanese. If they find the next Ichiro when he's still young and bring him to America, that record is falling.
@johnnyc0882
@johnnyc0882 Жыл бұрын
He said he never bet on his team to lose but the year after he was banned for life the team won a World Series
@michaelmcgowen8780
@michaelmcgowen8780 Жыл бұрын
During the 1919 World Series, players of the Chicago White Sox took payoffs from gamblers to lose to the Cincinnati Reds, which the White Sox did. Eight players were tried and found not guilty of conspiracy, but the first Commissioner of Baseball, Judge Kennesaw M. Landis, banned all eight from Major league Baseball for life. That's been the policy of MLB ever since to ban anyone involved with gambling on baseball games. Also, I was an 10 year old kid when Pete Rose crashed into Ray Fosse during the 1970 All Star Game, and was watching the game on tv. Taking out, or trying to take out, catchers or other fielders by baserunner was much more common, an accepted, back then. Plus, the Al-Star Game was more of a competitive game between the leagues at the time, and the players took pride in winning the game.
@jaykaufman9782
@jaykaufman9782 Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose was supposed to play the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar role in the film "Airplane!" Jim Abrahams, David and Jerry Zucker are mainly baseball fans, and when they cast the film, they needed a famous pro athlete with zero acting experience to play the role of the co-pilot -- reprising the role played by Los Angeles Rams football player Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch in the 1957 film "Zero Hour!" that "Airplane!" parodied. ZAZ contacted Rose who was eager to play the part. One imagines the kid visiting the cockpit would have made comments about Rose's sliding headfirst even though you don't reach the base any faster, or caring more about his Batting Average than if his team lost or won, causing Rose to lose it and curse out the boy's father. Primary photography was supposed to take place before spring training, but then filming got pushed back to summer and Rose wasn't available. Shooting in L.A., Abraham and the Zuckers quickly found a replacement in Kareem during the NBA's off-season. One other thing: I've always thought that, at least measured by the average quality of their films, you could argue Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has had the greatest acting career in Hollywood history. He only appeared in two films: "Airplane!", now considered one of the Top Five comedy farces of all time, and "Enter the Dragon," the greatest of Bruce Lee's films and often considered the first great martial arts movie. Small roles in both films, but still a 1.000 percent winning percentage.
@Zach-mw5so
@Zach-mw5so Жыл бұрын
Also, it was said in the video that Pete Rose is probably going to be the last player-manager in history. Yes, he was dressed to play, AND managed the team at the same time. It was common in the early days of baseball, but it slowly grew out of fashion. Managing is hard enough as it is; leave the players to play and focus on playing well. And yes, I do believe Pete Rose will be in the Hall of Fame, after he dies. MLB won't give him the satisfaction of inducting him when he is alive, but there's no denying his baseball records.
@MDK2_Radio
@MDK2_Radio Жыл бұрын
There's no denying Shoeless Joe's either, but he's still not in the HOF and there's literally nobody living who's old enough to remember him playing the game. Why mention Shoeless Joe? Because it's much clearer that he wasn't so guilty. He failed to report what was going on - you can make the case about his responsibility to do so or the case that he should be given a pass because teammates don't rat out one another. But he didn't cheat, he's out, and nobody's letting him in. The only way they allow Rose is if they allow Shoeless Joe at the same time, and it's not likely they will if they haven't already.
@EwAndIReact
@EwAndIReact Жыл бұрын
The commissioner who died, Bart Giamatti, was the father of the actor Paul Giamatti. Great reaction to one of the wildest ones ever.
@jawbone78
@jawbone78 Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose was a great player and his accomplishments on the field are worthy of the Hall of Fame, but there is no universe in which he was the greatest baseball player of all time, or even in the conversation.
@erolbulut2584
@erolbulut2584 Жыл бұрын
Maybe not, but he was an integral part of the 'Big Red Machine'. Arguably, the greatest team in history.
@jawbone78
@jawbone78 Жыл бұрын
@@erolbulut2584 I agree he was an integral part of it, but he also wasn't the best player on that team. That was either Johnny Bench or Joe Morgan.
@MDK2_Radio
@MDK2_Radio Жыл бұрын
@@erolbulut2584 I think Murderer’s Row still holds that title.
@mithroch
@mithroch Жыл бұрын
I agree. His fielding was certainly suspect. Yeah... he was versatile... but he was never a stand out in any position. I still consider him one of the greatest... but not THE greatest.
@erolbulut2584
@erolbulut2584 Жыл бұрын
@@mithroch He made the All-Star team at 5 different positions.
@besinji2000
@besinji2000 Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose never hit a 110 mph pitch 🤣
@addictedtoJB
@addictedtoJB Жыл бұрын
The catcher's rule was just recently implemented because of an injury to Buster Posey in 2012 (i think). Before then you could do whatever you wanted to a catcher (in terms of running them over). So, technically, Pete didn't do anything wrong.
@alexisborden3191
@alexisborden3191 Жыл бұрын
I still think its a dick move even if its not against the rules then, they made the rule for a reason.
@Jeff_Lichtman
@Jeff_Lichtman Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose was a great player, but he was never the best player in baseball. He won the MVP award in 1973, but his teammate Joe Morgan was better than him that year. He holds the record for the most career hits, but one reason is that when he was manager he put himself in the lineup while he Tony Perez, a better player at the point, on the bench. He's 41st in career total WAR, which is impressive, but one reason he's that high is that he had such a long career. IMO, his collision with Ray Fosse was unnecessary. Fosse was not blocking the plate completely. He could have been safe if he'd slid between Fosse's legs. And even if he thought he had to run into Fosse, there was no good reason to do it the way he did. I don't know if he was trying to hurt Fosse, but he certainly wasn't trying to avoid it. And it was an exhibition game. Corking a bat is illegal, but tests have been done comparing corked bats with legal bats, and the corked bats provided no advantage. Rose really is his own worst enemy. He's done so many things over the years to alienate people. For years he refused to comment on whether he ever bet on baseball, and when he did finally apologize for it, he made it clear he was saying it only because he wanted to be in the Hall of Fame. Couldn't he at least pretend to be contrite? The oldest outfielder in MLB history was probably Jim O'Rourke. He played 87 games in the outfield in 1893 at the age of 42 for the Washington Senators. Baseball in the 19th century was very different from the modern game. More recently, Minnie Miñoso played four games in left field and one in right field at the age of 40 for the Chicago White Sox in 1964.
@jasonreeve6487
@jasonreeve6487 Жыл бұрын
I was 10yrs old and at the game with my Dad when he broke Ty Cobb's record. At 48 yrs old now it's still the loudest crowd I've ever heard at a sporting event when he got the record hit.
@phunkjnky
@phunkjnky Жыл бұрын
To your point Damo, no there's no excuse for his collision with Ray Fosse.There was zero at stake except for his "pride" and not wanting to deal with his father, no money, no standing... a man's career was shortened and lifetime of chronic pain was handed out because a grown man couldn't talk to his dad.
@gregcable3250
@gregcable3250 Жыл бұрын
I remember watching the Ray Fosse collision and thinking...WTF, it's not the World Series, and every single kid I knew who saw it or later saw it thought it was bush-league, unncessary. In fact, it is pretty clear that he had a better chance of scoring by going low with a slide (not hitting Fosse's knees) to avoid the tag. Didn't like Rose--got sooooooo much press for being what?--a singles hitter who hustled. When I was a kid at a Pirates game, Roberto Clemente hit a ground ball directly back to the pitcher and ran full speed through first base and part way up the right field line. My Dad said that was "hustling". Pete Rose walked once and ran to first base full speed and to his second base position also full speed--and my Dad sad to me, "that's showboating". Got it. Clemente, who as 100 times better than Rose in every aspect of the game, also made a sliding catching into the bullpen fence and a throw that no one else on the planet could make. Again, though, Rose should be in the HoF as there are a lot worse characters in there now (Ty Cobb, for example, was a racist asshole who tried to hurt players when he slide into base with those sharp cletes they had then). Rooting for Pete to get in,
@davidallanhardin
@davidallanhardin Жыл бұрын
Loved watching him play with the Reds, an old school player in the mold of Ty Cobb.
@phunkjnky
@phunkjnky Жыл бұрын
The problem with betting on your own team to win... you might manage differently, maybe you pull the pitcher faster than you normally would, maybe you play your bench differently. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Don't bet, particularly on your own team, and this never happens.
@gravy2142
@gravy2142 Жыл бұрын
i'm 45, and I've never met anyone that thought Pete Rose shouldn't be in the HoF. I'm sure there are plenty, but I've never talked to one face to face. Some feel he should be in prison, but still in the hall. This conversation comes up somewhat often too, talking to friends and strangers in bars watching baseball.
@alltheworldsastage
@alltheworldsastage Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see a reaction to a video that documents the 1919 Black Sox Scandal/Banning of Shoeless Joe Jackson. Stark Raving Sports has a decent video covering what happened that’d make for good reaction material… but the holy grail would be the last hour or so of episode 3 of the 1994 documentary “Baseball” from Ken Burns. The entire (20+ hour) documentary covers the entire history of baseball from the mid 1800s until 1990. Episode 3 deals with the history of the game from 1910-1919, and the last 45m or so goes into great depth on Joe Jackson and Black Sox scandal. That might be too long for a reaction (and likely get you taken down) but it’s an amazing presentation of what happened, that it’d be nice to get a review from you guys. That whole documentary is worth watching…
@philgoad5587
@philgoad5587 Жыл бұрын
One of the things about the bets is not only not betting on the team to lose. If you bet them to win all the time, and then don't place a bet at all on certain games, the bookie can see that almost AS a bet against your team.
@nosliwec
@nosliwec Жыл бұрын
The All-Star game (in every sport) has different rules than regular seasons, except baseball. That being said it is an exhibition game that allows the best players of the sport to be on the field (or court/ice) with each other and as such certain things are heavily frowned upon including doing anything that could potentially hurt another player. That's including making aggressive tackles in the NFL or playing any serious defense in the NBA or colliding with a player on the diamond in MLB. However, this was a different era (one in which I wasn't born yet or way too young to remember) and not sure if things were different then or not. You can look back at many players doing things back then that were acceptable then, but when viewed in our time were reprehensible. As for the oldest outfielder to play, Ichiro Suzuki was 45 years 150 days old playing exclusively in the outfield. Julio Franco was 49 years 25 days old and played SS/2B/1B/DH. I am not including players that played before World War 2 nor pitchers since you asked for fielders specifically. Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. I agree he should be banned from the sport of baseball (as in not being able to play, manage, consult, etc.), but the Hall of Fame is for on field excellence and the two should be separate. Also, I disagree with the idea of a lifetime ban. Once a player with a lifetime ban dies, the ban should be lifted. Except, it continues on even after death. I feel bans should expire by age 50 with the caveat they can't be a part of any team, but can be there for promotional events.
@DuckdaringZ
@DuckdaringZ Жыл бұрын
There's no excuse for ending that guy's career in the all star game. Rose is a psycho.
@michaelgray4964
@michaelgray4964 Жыл бұрын
You need to understand that because of the 1919 Black Sox scandal where the World Series was fixed, MLB wanted it's players nowhere near any form of gambling or gamblers. The risk was that a player could get way into debt to a bookmaker and be forced to help fix games. The biggest rule in baseball, known to everyone from the lowest bush leaguer to the Majors was that you didn't bet on anything while you were a player. Even above that was the Holy Rule that You Never Bet On Baseball. Even above that was the worst of the worst - you NEVER, EVER bet on your own team, either way. Everyone knew that you would get suspended or thrown out of the game for gambling. Pete Rose was a baseball lifer. He knew this, but he did it anyway. Not only that but he bet on his own team, the one he managed. That meant that he was likely to make different coaching decisions in a game he had money on. Maybe he starts his best pitcher on a day's less rest than normal. Maybe he burns through more relievers. The point is that he might do things to win a game because he had a bet down that could cost the team a loss in the next game or two. I have zero sympathy. Pete knew exactly what he was doing, and what it could cost him if he got caught. Don't do the crime you you can't do the time.
@AnthonyJolly-yb1qp
@AnthonyJolly-yb1qp Жыл бұрын
The oldest outfielder is Orestes"MINNIE" Minoso also known as "The Cuban Comet" and "Mr.White Sox"He begin playing professionally in The Negro Leagues in 1946 for the New York Cubans as a third baseman.The position where he became an All-Star.Signed with Cleveland Indians (MLB) after 1948 season,and color barrier was lifted.All Star left fielder for the Indians and White Sox.The first African- Latino in major league baseball,plus the first black player to play for the Chicago White Sox in 1951,and as rookie at age 26 due to baseball not letting blacks play in the MLB at the time.He retired at age 50.⚾️
@cygnusx-3217
@cygnusx-3217 Жыл бұрын
Minnie Minoso was the guest speaker at my Little League end of season dinner. Love always to Minnie!
@AnthonyJolly-yb1qp
@AnthonyJolly-yb1qp Жыл бұрын
@@cygnusx-3217 WOW! That's amazing and historic.I hope somebody got it on video tape,VHS something.👏👏👏
@cygnusx-3217
@cygnusx-3217 Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyJolly-yb1qp I may have a picture somewhere in an old storage box.
@AnthonyJolly-yb1qp
@AnthonyJolly-yb1qp Жыл бұрын
@@cygnusx-3217 WOW! That's Awesome.Keep that picture in the best safe place.👍👍
@pierrelevasseur2701
@pierrelevasseur2701 Жыл бұрын
Rose would be in the Hall just for his on-field accomplishments: all-time leader in hits, games played, at bats. Some of these are because of longevity, he did retire at 45, he surely kept going since he was so close to breaking the hits record. In fact, putting himself at first base to do so I'm convinced. He was 43 and played in 119 games, only a couple of others played more at that age but they were all exceptional players: Carl Yastrzemski, Julio Franco, Carlton Fisk (mostly as catcher!). He hit over .300 for his career which is nothing to sneeze at, second in doubles, lots of those likely because he hustled to stretch singles, had a good on-base percentage (helped by his batting average). But not much power. Many want Rose to be in the HOF, he deserves to be there. But not in my view. He broke the rules. Also, the Hall itself suggests to vote a player not only for his playing ability, but also integrity, sportsmanship, and character. Pete, as you saw, falls short on some of these. It's also a reason cited by those who are not voting in Barry Bonds and Curt Shilling.
@kamc146
@kamc146 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always! If you want to hear another insane story about a player who gets less attention than rose id highly recommend Jon Bois's pretty good episode on Lonnie Smith! Jon also has an iconic video about what if barry bonds played without a bat. I think you guys would love his videos and storytelling!
@drowner1
@drowner1 Жыл бұрын
That Lonnie Smith video is one of the best 20 minute videos on KZfaq on any subject. Just kinda nice that it's about a baseball player.
@noahjensen6106
@noahjensen6106 Жыл бұрын
love this video, they should definitely react to it
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate your support. Got the Lonnie Smith one submitted on Discord and it’s due to go into the next Baseball poll 😀
@kamc146
@kamc146 Жыл бұрын
@@DNReacts thank you so much you guys are the best ❤️
@cteal2018
@cteal2018 Жыл бұрын
Baseball had made gambling taboo after the Black Sox scandal in 1919. It was a well established rule around for generations by the time Rose was being investigating.
@williamhicks7736
@williamhicks7736 Жыл бұрын
The All Star game was taken very seriously by the players back in 1970. It was a matter of pride as well as a promotion of baseball at a time when they didn’t make a whole lotta money. They played to win. It wasn’t considered merely an exhibition game. Ray Fosse was blocking home plate without the ball. Back in those days, if someone did that, it was considered proper for a player to get run over. Fosse knew this. If you watch the replay, you’ll notice that Rose was starting his head first slide but stopped because of Fosse’s positioning. That was how they rolled back then.
@MetroCSN
@MetroCSN Жыл бұрын
On the 11th July 2023, the commissioner of baseball said he has no intention of lifting the "lifetime" ban for Rose. The commissioner said Rose violated rule 21d(c)3 and admitted in a signed confession. I do not care how he played then, or what records he holds.
@ethankirkeeng3764
@ethankirkeeng3764 Жыл бұрын
One of my dad’s favorite players of all time, he would defend the Fosse hit. Collisions like that were a part of the game back then. Fans brought batteries to the game so that they had something to throw on the field.
@theblackbear211
@theblackbear211 Жыл бұрын
IMO, the seriousness of Ray Fosse's injury is due to the medicos - who, somehow, didn't diagnose a separated shoulder and broken bone until after the playing season was over. A game is a game - either play it or don't.
@timcampbell5758
@timcampbell5758 Жыл бұрын
I used to be on the side that thought they should reinstate Rose and put him in the HOF. I changed my opinion after hearing an interview with a former player who pointed out that in every clubhouse of every stadium at that time, and maybe they still do this, there was a big sign posted “Don’t bet on baseball!”. In light of the 1919 Black Sox scandal, baseball has had one clear rule and one clear consequence, if you bet on baseball you get a lifetime ban. I’m all for giving people second chances in life, but he knew what he did would get him the ban and he chose to risk the consequences. It was his choice.
@danielhoover2790
@danielhoover2790 Жыл бұрын
You CAN bet on baseball if you're Ty Cobb and have a corrupt, racist commissioner, (Judge Landis), covering for you.
@ScottServais-poet
@ScottServais-poet Жыл бұрын
"Wot." -Nick and Damo 2023
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
😂😂
@theprettyanxiouskoko6876
@theprettyanxiouskoko6876 Жыл бұрын
Julio Franco was the oldest outfielder...he retired at 48 I think tho the last few years he rarely played the field and was just a pinch hitter...
@sacrilegiousboi
@sacrilegiousboi Жыл бұрын
Pete should be in the hall of fame!
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
After watching the video I’m not so sure 😂
@sacrilegiousboi
@sacrilegiousboi Жыл бұрын
@DNReacts but he didn't directly cheat at baseball you gotta seperate sports from real life I just think his numbers speak for themselves
@besinji2000
@besinji2000 Жыл бұрын
Julio Franco played to like 49 but he was at 1B at the end for sure. The oldest outfielder was probably Mini Minoso or something like that a century ago. Back then it seems more players played longer but the game was so different.
@Tuning_Spork
@Tuning_Spork Жыл бұрын
I was going to mention Julio Franco. Minnie Minoso had pinch-hitting appearances after age 50, but didn't play the field. Off the top o' my head, Rickey Henderson and Ichiro Suzuki played in the outfield in their mid-40s.
@besinji2000
@besinji2000 Жыл бұрын
Yea past 40 you mostly see 1B P or DH only. I have no concept of back in the day. Growing up we were told Satchel Paige played to 59. But it was like 1 appearance 12 years after he retired I believe.
@Fred_Lougee
@Fred_Lougee Жыл бұрын
@@Tuning_Spork Just say "Ichiro" and "Rickey" because Ichiro went by his given name as a mononym and Rickey always referred to himself in the 3rd person. ;)
@soulcornflake1
@soulcornflake1 Жыл бұрын
Satchel Paige I think played until his 50s, most of it in the Negro Leagues.
@besinji2000
@besinji2000 Жыл бұрын
Back in the Hoyt Wilhelmina days…
@louisfeurino7182
@louisfeurino7182 Жыл бұрын
If you want to know why gambling is such a no-no in the MLB look up the 1919 Chicago White Sox. Shoeless Joe Jackson was similarly banned from baseball as were seven of his teammates. All for gambling. Gambling is the oldest ban in the game.
@besinji2000
@besinji2000 Жыл бұрын
12:19 people used to bring portable radios to listen to the broadcast I believe. But this was either in New York or Cincinnati, so they may just bring batteries to throw at players.
@lovesgucci1
@lovesgucci1 Жыл бұрын
JD Drew got the D-Cell battery treatment too
@billbliss1518
@billbliss1518 Жыл бұрын
Great video guys! I knew about the gambling thing but had NO IDEA how nuts the rest of his life was!
@cygnusx-3217
@cygnusx-3217 Жыл бұрын
There's a video on Y-T from a few years ago (briefly referenced in this video) where Pete Rose shares his hitting philosophy with Frank Thomas and Alex Rodriguez. Thomas and A-Rod are two of the greatest hitters of all-time with over 1,200 home runs between them. (A-Rod was a steroid user but we'll save that issue for another day.) Rose explains his hitting approach leaving Thomas and Rodriguez stunned. They had never encountered Rose's plate philosophy before. It just goes to show what a complex game baseball is ... and that there's always something new to learn.
@jtcash2005
@jtcash2005 Жыл бұрын
Commissioner of Baseball position was created because of a major betting scandal. In 1919, White Sox players were paid to throw the World Series by gamblers. Eight players were permanently banned, but the criminal case against them went awry.
@Fred_Lougee
@Fred_Lougee Жыл бұрын
And the first commissioner was a horrible person who ran Baseball like it was his own personal feifdom for over 30 years. Basically, the only thing Landis did that was good was cleaning up the game from gambling.
@dennisfitzgerald8486
@dennisfitzgerald8486 Жыл бұрын
As a lifelong REDS fan, I am 78 y/o, as a ball player Pete was an all out ball player, but as a man he was a total shit, he should be banned from the H.O.F.
@poolplayergus
@poolplayergus Жыл бұрын
Batteries - To this day, some fans will bring radios and listen to the radio broadcast of the game. I used to take a radio to the old Tiger stadium and listen to the late great Ernie Harwell announce the game. Ernie was one of the best. He wrote a great poem about baseball, which you can listen to here on KZfaq. "A Definition of Baseball"
@mcm0324
@mcm0324 Жыл бұрын
Pete is a HALL OF FAMER! Players have done much worse than him and are in the Hall of Fame. He will be inducted after he dies just so he doesn't have the glory of it. His jersey is retired in Cincinnati AND in Philadelphia. He's a legend who screwed up. He doesn't deserve a permanent ban for spite. Charlie Hustle was amazing, and the MLB is treating him like crap.
@mbdg6810
@mbdg6810 Жыл бұрын
Personally, take every cheater out of hall of fame and create the hall of shame.
@dwaingambino1979
@dwaingambino1979 Жыл бұрын
I was in Vegas about 6 years ago he was at one of the sports shops in between Luxor & Mandalay Bay he was autographing from 12 to 3.... i passed it about 1 and it was empty
@ShelbyBaby27
@ShelbyBaby27 Жыл бұрын
Listening to this felt like that scene in Goodfellas when Henry is running all those errands right before the cops raid him. 😂
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
Yes!! Brilliant link 😂😂
@johnniekight1879
@johnniekight1879 Жыл бұрын
Anyone caught betting on BB is banned for life. The batteries were most likely from transistor radios that many used to listen to the announcers while watching the game. Betting on your team to win may make him over use a pitcher and cost that pitcher a serious injury.
@erolbulut2584
@erolbulut2584 Жыл бұрын
As a Reds fan and Cincinnati resident, I think Rose should be in the HOF. This is such a sad story, but we all love Pete.
@cteal2018
@cteal2018 Жыл бұрын
Pete is how you were suppose to play the game when I was growing up...100%, leave it all out there...win or lose, bring your best effort!! The Rose/Fossy thing is gonna be split most by generational fault lines.
@gmaqwert
@gmaqwert Жыл бұрын
12:16. Back in the day some people used to bring transistor radios to the ballpark so they could watch the game and listen to the broadcast at the same time. That’s where they got the batteries.
@warrenbfeagins
@warrenbfeagins Жыл бұрын
Charley Hustle. He was a hitting monster. Every kid wanted to play like Rose.
@michaeltroy1848
@michaeltroy1848 Жыл бұрын
Pete should be in the 'Asshole' Hall of Fame!
@mclaude70
@mclaude70 11 ай бұрын
"Why would you have batteries at a baseball game?" To answer that question. In the 70s when I was growing up my father would take me to Reds games in Cincinnati. We would bring along a small hand held radio to listen to the radio broadcast of the game because the radio announcers were better than the in stadium ones. This was a common practice back then in most stadiums. It is a logical assumption that people removed the batteries from said radios and then threw them. Hope that this helps to answer that question regarding people being armed with batteries at a ballpark.
@besinji2000
@besinji2000 Жыл бұрын
18:46 “But wait, there’s more!”
@brianbaker3654
@brianbaker3654 Жыл бұрын
Die hard Reds fan here. I live walking distance from the Stadium Riverfront-Cinergy field now Great American Ball park. Pete is a local legend. Born in Cincy played most of his career in Cincy. He should be in the HOF.
@VACATETHE48
@VACATETHE48 5 ай бұрын
One of the things that should be noted about that hits record of 4258... The only other hitter with 4000 MLB hits is Ty Cobb at 4189, who has the most hits per at bat in MLB history. The next closest is Hank Aaron at 3771. Pete also holds the record for most MLB games played in at 3562 and most at bats 14053. Nobody is even close to either of those marks as well. The longevity and the durability to put up a record like that is completely insane and it would take a player to have a 25-30 year career in today's game to even approach the mark of 4258.
@sacrilegiousboi
@sacrilegiousboi Жыл бұрын
Ummm I think after the cork bat thing I might have a different opinion on him being in the hall of fame I didn't know about that that's actually cheating
@lovesgucci1
@lovesgucci1 Жыл бұрын
And the Phillies decided to have him at the 1980 World Series Reunion (2 years late because of Covid) in 2022 & let him talk in the broadcasting booth!!! He was telling vulgar stories, cursing & we had the game on at a BBQ with kids running around! He was also one of the best players. I wasn’t born when he played but I wish we had some of that grit now (Bryce Harper is close, though) but without the outside garbage! Thank you for giving me relief at work! ❤️
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
You’re very welcome 😀
@mikefetterman6782
@mikefetterman6782 Жыл бұрын
I was really into little league and the Phillies (I grew up in Eastern Pennsylvania). Pete Rose on 1st base, Tug McGraw on the mound, and Mike Schmidt on 3rd base (home run leader in baseball at the time.) It was an exciting time.
@MikeD0011
@MikeD0011 Жыл бұрын
I’m not sure about the batteries but I can definitely say back in the day it was common to see folks listening to little radios while at baseball and football games. So I imagine that’s where they came from.
@Lava1964
@Lava1964 Жыл бұрын
In his final season in 1935, when he was 40, Babe Ruth played in the outfield for the Boston Braves.
@ronclark9724
@ronclark9724 4 ай бұрын
The movie star Paul Giamatti farther was Angelo Giamatti, the Baseball Commissioner who first faced Pete Rose’s gambling issues. Since 1927, gambling and pro baseball have been a no-no, everyone knew it, and Pete deserves his ban.
@egadgo
@egadgo Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose has the most hits in MLB history, Ichiro has the most hits in BASEBALL history.
@twomasta
@twomasta Жыл бұрын
1st base before the designated hitter became legal in both leagues. Now the D.H. would be the postion a player manager could work in todays game
@s.henrlllpoklookout5069
@s.henrlllpoklookout5069 Жыл бұрын
Players have been forbidden from gambling on games ever since 1919 when eight players on the Chicago White Sox took money from gamblers to lose the World Series
@craigmosher4309
@craigmosher4309 Жыл бұрын
A great player who seemed to believe that rules, laws, and ethics were only for other people. If he's banned, he's to blame.
@Lava1964
@Lava1964 Жыл бұрын
I met Pete Rose in 2017. It was a great thrill. He was a terrific competitor.
@DionysusAlS
@DionysusAlS Жыл бұрын
They'll probably wait until after his death to induct him. That way, he gets deprived of enjoying the accolades while alive. And it's human nature to be more forgiving of someone posthumously and less reluctant to lionize them.
@WenD1908
@WenD1908 Жыл бұрын
I second this. I said this years ago. He’s going in. They’ll have a ceremony with his kids, surviving Reds players and all the pomp. But no Pete Rose.
@MattMichaelVO
@MattMichaelVO Жыл бұрын
Batteries - People used to bring battery powered transistor radios to games to listen to the play by play.
@KentuckyKid84
@KentuckyKid84 Жыл бұрын
Should he be in the HOF? Yes. Should he be reinstated? No. Regardless of whether or not he ever bet on the Reds to lose, the fact that he was betting on games he was involved with while an active player is still a major detriment to the integrity of the sport. Who is the say that, if his gambling debt had gotten even worse than a quarter of $1 million, he wouldn’t have been open to fixing games in order to get bookies off of his back? Even if that didn’t happen and he entirely bet on the Reds to win, who’s to say that he wouldn’t go underhanded to try to win those games so he could make a profit? He showed throughout his career that he was not above doing whatever it took. Furthermore, Rose lied for well over a decade about betting on baseball. Fay Vincent, in the early days of his commissionership, gave Rose the opportunity to come clean multiple times… And he refused each and every time. It wasn’t until Rose was going to make money off of a biography that he finally admitted everything, and it became crystal clear at that point that he hadn’t learned a damn thing. Despite my belief he should be there, Pete Rose has nobody to blame but himself for not being in the Hall of Fame.
@HurricaneCook
@HurricaneCook Жыл бұрын
I grew up as a young boy in Cincinnati while Pete was playing and managing the team. He's a HERO, and a total shame that he's not in the hall of fame.
@shuddle32
@shuddle32 Жыл бұрын
My parents lived there during the big red machine era my dad was talking about paying $5 for World Series tickets he bout died when I showed him the prices now lol
@Beltran15x
@Beltran15x Жыл бұрын
HE WAS NEVER A HERO REAL REDS FANS HATE HIM
@samjones5160
@samjones5160 Жыл бұрын
Is it? He broke rules that are in place to protect the integrity of the game. If he wanted to be in the Hall, he shouldn't have done it.
@MDK2_Radio
@MDK2_Radio Жыл бұрын
It’s more of a shame that people can’t judge the man fairly because of home team bias. In my opinion anyway.
@Axxis270
@Axxis270 Жыл бұрын
My fandom for Rose ended after baseball gave him the chance to admit to wrongdoing and have a chance to get in the HoF and he still wouldn't admit it. He finally did decades later but by then it was too late for me. I hate liars. Him and Lance Armstrong are at the top of my list of people who caused me to go from fan to hater because I see them as nothing but liars.
@TheCheffer76
@TheCheffer76 Жыл бұрын
I got to meet Charlie Hustle when his kid was playing at Single A Columbus in 1993. He was a really nice guy at that time.
@cygnusx-3217
@cygnusx-3217 Жыл бұрын
Back in the olden days some people would bring an AM radio to the game to hear the radio broadcast. That may explain the batteries.
@Jeffbambam
@Jeffbambam Жыл бұрын
Pete Rose was my idol as a kid ,the greatest player to ever strap on a pair of cleats. " Charlie hustle" gave you his best in every play !
@jannix4548
@jannix4548 Жыл бұрын
The injury during the All star game was completely unnecessary. There is really no monetary gain to it. So the defense is very very weak for him.
@besinji2000
@besinji2000 Жыл бұрын
Charlie Hustle. Idk about best player ever. Banged out the most hits though. Played forever and he was a nightmare for sure.
@DNReacts
@DNReacts Жыл бұрын
Summed him up very well!
@mbdg6810
@mbdg6810 Жыл бұрын
based on the fact he's committed multiple violations of rules as both player and manager, he shouldn't be in the hall of fame. He's already in the Reds hall of fame which should be enough
@adamplace1414
@adamplace1414 Жыл бұрын
12:15 people would bring portable radios to the game to listen to their team's radio announcers, so I'm guessing they took the batteries out of those - unless you smoked, then you probably threw a cheap lighter on the field instead. The 70s were wild.
@arnoldcox9128
@arnoldcox9128 Жыл бұрын
Great reaction even though I'm a huge Cincinnati reds fan and Pete was a fantastic player. Man he was a character
@Greenlion781
@Greenlion781 Жыл бұрын
The batteries might be because it used to be common for people to go to baseball games in person and bring a battery powered AM radio with them to listen to the radio play-by-play while watching.
@TheCoolreaper44
@TheCoolreaper44 Жыл бұрын
The play the plate was really unwarranted, its still talked about in recent times. When Buster Posey(future HOF Catcher for the Giants) got injured in 2011 we heard about this play a lot. It was a big reason why collisions at the plate were banned in 2014. I don't think Rose tried to hit him on purpose though, he's just a maniac. Yes he should be in the HOF he is the all time hit king
@tigersmurf
@tigersmurf Жыл бұрын
Do you think Bonds should be in too, then?
@TheCoolreaper44
@TheCoolreaper44 Жыл бұрын
@tigersmurf still a tough choice., but I'll say no. Reason being Bonds cheated at baseball, Rose never did. All of his accomplishments are legit
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