That’s the one good point in the scene, people often forget how the Starks got their ties to the magick of the old gods, the blood sacrifices of those they didn’t need or didn’t like. The nobility and chivalry only comes later, the age of heroes was mostly an angle of savagery, to my knowledge only House Dayne had a purely sin-free start.

@@ezdub5762 Wasn't it mostly destroying their rivals who had magic and then marrying the women into the family (the wiki of ice and fire page on "kings of winter" talk about this.) Probably one of the most cutthroat. At one point they killed someone called "The Warg King" taking his daughters.

@@NickSteffen that too, I’m mostly referring to one of the visions Bran had of someone being executed either by a heart tree or their blood being poured into a heart tree, can’t remember which one. Either way, it shows that magic ties don’t just pop up out of nowhere, the Valyrians weren’t the only one who paid a price for their magic. The only ones to my knowledge who practiced a “purer” form of magic would probably be the Rhoynar, but given what happened with Garen I guess it didn’t stay that way.

As much as I hate this scene, it reinforced the theory that Bronn is a descendant of House Reyne. The theory goes that once the Lannisters took over, the remaining Reynes fled to Essos. Since they didn’t have land, they gave up their name. Eventually, an up-jumped sellsword (who happens to know the Lannister’s song) makes his way to Westeros to seek his fortune.

Or the lands lordships and castles would pass on to some random when the original family was annihilated like house gardener getting destroyed and high garden passing to the tyrells

He just kind of forgot

Perfect example of the show decline in writing.

@@cool1007 imagine if bronn was conning Tyrion again. Tyrion didn't remember how much he was paying Bronn, so Bronn had every opportunity to squeeze as much money out of him.

It’s a negotiation tactic lol

to be fair, for us and their timeline, that was several years ago.

Facts.

When close, bro's fallout for NO REASON AT ALL.

@@randallstubblefield1633 he’s a cutthroat yes loyal but only when he’s paid .

Wasnt supposed to be that way

Feudal kings, are very high regarded dukes and lords, that are recognised by other lords as their primus inter pares. The King of England was never just some random lord, he was always from a long line of rulers for one. Even supposed nomadic "barbarians" from the east, Huns, and Mongols, have very old family lines of dynastical rule that gives them justification for their titles. Chingiz Khan wasn't the Great Khan of mongols just by his merit, he was son of the Yesugei, who was most probably descending from the Golden Family blood that was chief among the steppes since Hunnic khaghans. Bronn however, is just some murderer, no family, no marrige pact, no support. Tyrion can't give him Highgarden even if he wants to

King Albert I of Belgium fought alongside his soldiers in WW1, even his wife, queen Elizabeth was on the fronts, working as a nurse. King Wladyslaw III of Poland fought in the Crusade of Varna and died during the battle of Varna. King Magnus Barefoot of Norway led two campaigns in Ireland, fighting in battles. Alexander the Great, now this one is harder to know for sure, due to how extremely long ago he lived, but it is said that he almost always fought on the front lines and was even dangerously injured in multiple battles.

No it's a pretty bad point because this all relies on Tyrion being a wimp and also needlessly reveals his betrayal of cersei to Jaime. Now he has to hide in the woods until Tyrion wins and then try to get in touch with Tyrion before one of thousands of guards ever spot him.

It almost feels like a call back to what Varys said about power.

@@subutaynoyan5372 At this point Bronn isn't just some murderer anymore. He's married to Lollys Stokeworth. Since the show skips on major part of Bronn's story line people who just watch the show don't know how important Stokeworth land is. It's one of the two biggest suppliers of food for King's Landing and since Lollys isn't in fit state to rule over the land it leaves Bronn acting as Lord of Stokeworth. Now the next part is just from the books and since the show went different way we can't say for sure if it happened there as well (behind the scenes) or not, but at the end of Feast of Crows, Bronn and his wife have legitimate claim to acquire Rosby which is the second of the two biggest suppliers of food for King's Landing. If Bronn takes control of Rosby in Winds of Winter, he will have majority of said supply at his disposal. That would make him probably the most important smaller lord in Westeros.

People like Bronn are too seasoned to allow themselves any true allegiance. They move with the strongest one and they're the first ones to leave him for a stronger one, these people are like rats, they always survive.

He was a sell sword from the get go. No reason for him to have any loyalty

GoT s1-4 is the best television ever made.

Nope. Have you even seen the other great television dramas? 😂

@@MrMGR1986 HBOs Rome is better

Seasons 5-7 are average - some ok, some bad, with some episodes of absolute brilliance.

@@nolarima Rome WOULD have been better if they had gotten the full 5 seasons Bruno Heller planned out. Unfortunately he spent all of HBO's money on a recreation of the Roman Forum that only got a few minutes of screen time, so they had to condense the arcs of Seasons 2-5 into a truncated Season 2.

It's one of the most bs scenes in GoT. Literally every character acted like we havent seen them ever before. Tyrion master of logic and negotiations just shouts with offer him 1/4 of kingdom. The rest has no sense either

Bronn gets offered Riverrun, a wet, miserable place that mainly sells fish. And to beat that offer, Tyrion offers one of the most sought-after and fertile lands in the Seven Kingdoms. It's ridiculous negotiating and makes Tyrion look like a fool.

Lol Bronn becoming lord of the reach probably created a huge civil war in the reach. The powerful reach houses like The Hightowers, Redwyne and Tarly would never swear fealty to a commoner.

Bronn saved tyrions life and ty made bronn rich they’re literally indebted to each other

Except for the fact that if Bronn snuck his way into a position where he could kill both of them once he could do it again

I like to imagine Podric comes in during Tyrian’s joke at the end and strangles Bronn to death

@@treyfrm726 You just described how they had paid off their debts. Bronn was basically expecting Tyrion to honor his word. As if he's Ned Stark or something. A sensible person would have just had him killed.

Yes there wasn't But a lords word is worth nothing if he's a proven liar

i wonder who put it in their contract that they would not do a scene with the other. or if it was mutual

​@@Acranifyapparently they hated each other

@@jiggamanog yeah, question is who hated the other one the most

in a fair fight sure...in a street fight maybe

@@asmor5838Jaime did plenty of “proper” fighting, it’s not like he only fought in tournies. He talks about killing “one of the outlaws in the brotherhood” in one of the earliest episodes. He’d stomp a sellsword like Bronn.

@@JohnSmith-nx7zj not while Bronn holds a loaded crossbow. Jaime prime was good, one of the top fighters. But he couldn`t possibly pull his sword and block the arrow that fast.

@@skyshatter3633 depends on whether or not he is needed for another scene.

But his best days WERE behind him 😅

Sam can't be a lord anymore. He took vows of BOTH citadel and nights watch

@@stacuu2222 Tell that to Jon Snow

@@PR3DATOR490 Jon kind of... died. And his vows were "...my watch begins. It shall not end until my death." so IMO he was freed from his obligation.

It's an easy sell to Dany. The Dothraki won't want it. The Unsullied have no experience running a profitable farmland. All the houses of Westeros are in ruin. She'll never trust a house that served Lannisters with the most important asset in Westeros. Dorne is not only dubious, but her biggest threat - they have dragon killing weapons. Other than her right hands, she has no one to hand them to. Bronn on the other hand is more than capable of surviving, he's better than Jamie on the field, he's ruthless enough and most importantly... not soft. Anyone running high garden needs to be able to live lavishly but not go insane with power. Bronn's perfect. Loyal to the coin, but frugal as can be. You need a ruthless man to tend the fields who can kill, but also appreciate the finery... and Daenerys can't rule everywhere. Jaime and Tyrion will claim their useless ancestral land, or Harrenhall, and hang back... if they survive. There's a lot of if's, why not one more? Meanwhile they still have to contend with the Iron Bank. They'll want High garden, making Bronn ideal to defend it. More than anything though keeping Bronn happy is key. Tyrion knows how capable he is, you need him. You never want him as a free agent, it's a total waste and a huge liability. Dany is no fool, there's no one who can take High garden and not be corrupted, except the world's biggest snake. You can trust him to be the serpent in the garden, instead of the dragon ruining it... and he tows the line. Dany's lost every person she trusts, anyone else she trusts needs to be near her. And the good thing about being an absolute dictator, or fascist, is that nobody will really own anything. Bronn will be a vassal or an appointed governor, nothing more. She shares power with no one. But Bronn is fine with loyalty, there's no point pretending you own something when a queen with dragons *exists*. He's ambitious, but not that ambitious. Those dragons guarantee he can retire in a land terrified of dragons instead of him. It's an excellent win... as long as he survives what's coming. Which is a dubious prospect at best and they all know it. When it comes to high garden it will come down to someone capable, not trustworthy. Dany doesn't trust anyone at all, not even her closest advisors. She trusts her dragons. Bronn is a good a choice as any, and Tyrion's emphatic recommendation will be exquisite and laced with truths she'll want to hear. She loves unbelievable bastards. They often turn out to be so much more ... for better or for worse.

I mean, this is even based on the idea that Bronn COULD get anyone killed. What was he going to do? Batman his way into King's Landing, the Royal Palace, all of the royal guard and then hopefully find Tyrion or Jaime and kill them? Or would he raise his army of 200 peasants and start a war? Nothing here makes sense.

Very true, Starks like to say they took control of the North bc the North needed a strong house to lead them through the cold winters and harsh environment and all other things but in reality they did just want to be the Kings and not answer to anyone, and there is nothing wrong with that, but basically I’m just saying Bronn is totally right.

Wrong. House Lannister didn't start that way, Lann the clever wasn't hard, wasn't a bastard, and certainly didn't do any dirty work for anyone.

@@ka-boom2083 Of course not, he was an angel...

You all need to read more books and watch less tv. There

@@user-mv7ee2sc3p he was no angel, he was a trickster

2nd sentence is a humdinger.

He got a lot and more than deserved but no Highgarden

Well, these are the same writers that wrote the whole scene revolving around a crossbow, while not knowing how crossbows work. If we assume Bronn could cock that thing with one arm, he could wrestle those dragons bare handed.

They could've given Bronn a repeating crossbow and this issue would've been solved, but they were too lazy to even do that.

Tyrion used a similar crossbow. Tyrion knows it needed a special lever. Tyrion could have notified Jamie about this and been done with the whole scene

@@mikec4964 That is the crossbow Tyrion used to kill Tywin with. That's why Cersei gave it to Bronn to use on Tyrion.

@@09stoneheartTyrion used joffrey’s crossbow

@@glowhoo9226 which Cersei then gives to Bronn to kill Tyrion.

Noble houses are built by traditional houses that go back thousands of years if you really seek deep. Highgarden is a seat of kings! Not some mere castle, no fucking sellsword can jump from nothing, to ownership of a kingdom's capital just like that!

@@subutaynoyan5372 ​ You are right that Highgarden is a seat of kings and older blood. But a fucking sellsword absolutely can jump from nothing to ownership of a Kingdom's capital. Several of them actually, it has happened multiple times in our own history. Temujin for instance, he was a nobody, shunned by his own family and people, a man with nothing but wits and a taste for killing, how many kingdom's capitals did he conquer or turn to ash? How many descendants has he left? When exactly does one's blood become noble then? Is it after you've held some land for long enough? Or your descendents? Or is it all about how many men you've killed? Who the fuck knows? A "noble" is only as noble as a "holy" man is holy, and no more than that, it's all pieces of paper and the power to back up whatever bullshit was written upon them. Eventually idiots like you start to take those words seriously and to actually believe that Gilgamesh wrestled with lions and laid with goddesses.

​@@subutaynoyan5372If i can recall House Lannister founder was a con artist, Lann the Clever the trickster of the dawn who some believe he was the bastard son or grandson of the high king Garth the Green Hand of the Reach. Lann got Casterly Rock by swindling the House Casterlys who owned it, some say he did it by making them think the castle was haunted by rigging traps, howling like deamon in the caverns , and stealing their treasures from one brother and placing them in the bedroom of another which caused to flee from their home other stories say he got rid of them by releasing a pride of Lions to devour the Casterlys. Other say he just slept with their maiden while they slept and got them pregnant with Lannister babies.

@@subutaynoyan5372 Yeah i think Bronn kinda overplayed his hand here, after the war was done, all tyrion needed to do as the first act as hand of the king would be to arrest bronn on sight when he came asking for his lordship of the reach.

@@subutaynoyan5372 Bron isn’t nothing. He’s an annoyed knight/general with land and titles already.

He was rewarded for his service but then Jaime came and dragged him away from it. Plus, bronn legit saved Jaime’s life during the battle of the gold road.

@@glowhoo9226 y, so gave him quarter of kingdom. Good idea!

@@nanaconventa1337 Knowing the vast power and resources of the Reach, putting a 'hard bastard who's good at killing people' as the Lord Paramount, isnt a bad idea. Even some of the strongst Lords of the Reach would think twice before crossing an experienced, battle-hardenen, vile and ruthless man as Bronn. Especially when they know that Bronn also had good contacts with both the Queen's Hand, as with Jaime Lannister of Casterly Rock. It would keep the richest Region of Westeros, well in check, and lóyal to the Crown!

Avarice

Cus he's an evil bastard with no conscience, as Tyrion said. He was always a man looking out for himself and no one else, and had no loyalty for anyone. Only mistake made is why he seems so hateful and angry at them. If they just kept him stoic and uncaring, like it was just business it would look better

This is just fan service for the memes going on, a lot of idiots were making content about Bronn not getting a castle, so they just came up with this shit

He might have reason to betray them, I'll give them that. But why in the fuck would he trust that two men, one who merely serves and the other actively hated by would have the influence to convince a queen who doesn't even know who the fuck he is to grant him one of the greatest castles in the realm and an entire kingdom along with it on a whim? That is IF they kept they word, they could simply send a shit ton of assassins after him when they hypothetically reach their goal. Every character lost like 50 IQ points to match the incompetence of those two products of nepotism called Daniel Weiss and David Friedman.

Because he’s a sellsword? I swear you people think the power of friendship triumphs over anything. Bronn was willing to let Tyrion die during his trial, because he wasn’t willing to fight the mountain. Their ENTIRE relationship is transactional. They like each other, but bronn is a sellsword at the end of the day.

Bronn never would’ve fought at the battle of winterfell. That goes against his entire ideology. He fought for Tyrion because Tyrion is a Lannister, and he wanted to gain favor with him. Plus, that was a fight he could win. He refused to fight the mountain on Tyrion’s behalf, because the chances of him dying were way too high. He likes Tyrion, but he’s not willing to die for him. Bronn staying and fight in at winterfell makes ZERO sense. Tyrion doesn’t really owe him anything at this point, but Jaime does, since bronn saved Jaime’s life.

Lmfao Bronn was always a sellsword, loyal only to who paid him best. Don't confuse people having great chemistry together for friendship. He left Tyrion to his fate when it came to the trial of combat with The Mountain and did not even bother trying to find another way to help him. You have to remember, even Tyrion, considered the lowest of the lannisters and more than likely being given the least of them, was still the son of Tywin, Tyrion had riches beyond what most men would ever have in 10 lifetimes. So he could always afford to pay Bronn off even if someone else tried hiring him. Bronn literally said "enhances it really" once... That is what it means, the "chemistry" is a bonus, but his main motivator was always money and if Tyrion does not pay up, anyone is free to hire him to kill Tyrion. Earlier seasons which did have the books as source materials make it very clear that the "friendship" came second for Bronn, the money (and status) always comes first. In this scene, the dynamic is different. Tyrion has access to fuck all. So he has to appeal to his real motivation, which was always gold. It was so back when they met and it is so in this scene too. This is one of the few scenes they actually got right post-book source material without botching a character, but you dumbass reddit morons choke on so much dick from your faggotry that you are incapable of understanding anything that is not fluffy rainbows.

I wouldn't say it's beyond Bronn to do that, he did abandon Tyrion before. However it is completely out of character for him to threaten the winning team and then expect them to follow through on empty promises AFTER they have dealt with all their issues.

This is halfway through season 8. Lannisters always paying their debts is irrelevant. The lore has been butchered by now.

@@supersaiyanzero386 I don't disagree, the show's writing was absolutely in the gutter for the last 2 seasons, but in this particular instance, it was accurate to their characters. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

That wasn't a debt, that was an extortion. Tyrion had nothing obligating him to follow through, rather had every motive to call Bronn a traitor and have him hanged. Also, obligatory "it's a common saying, not their motto". That phrase is just a common saying, and it's mostly a veiled threat.

That's the algorithm. Every now and then, they take old uploads and share them out to anyone who watches that kind of content.

Haters are going to hate such a fact. And such a scene is why the show will get talked about for years to come.

I think he was alluding to jaime not being able to stop him from killing him with that crossbow. Which jaime didn't have a weapon pulled out and he was in front of bronn, if he was behind bronn, he would have had a shot at a sneak attack.

​@@brandon39531 Exactly. He can't throw a dagger, he can't out duel a crossbow. Let alone THAT crossbow, it's exquisitely made. Bronn saved Jaime a few times from being reckless, he's more than ready to harm him to get the point across. ... and judging how soundly Bronn has won most conflicts, Jaime should be scared. We can't scale Bronn, but he was considering fighting the Mountain. Jaime's brave, but he's not that brave. Even in a straight up fight, Bronn grew up killing. No feather beds and special trainers. He just did it. No tournament tactics, no need for it. Jaime's too 4 in Westeros as a duellist, but Bronn never really did duels. Too busy making his fortune. ... I wouldn't want to see Jaime test stepping towards Bronn. That'd be ugly. If the true measure is anything, Tyrion made sure Jaime trained with Bronn... he knew Bronn had something to teach more than just left handed combat. He wanted Bronn to put him in the dirt hard. Even on Jaime's best day he's cocky, and Bronn is a raging psychopath. I'd put Bronn up against Dayne and Selmy. Selmy might be ready for that ruthlessness, but Dayne wasn't ready for treachery. We can't scale Bronn to tournaments, he never really did that, but he knows what they can do. They don't know what he can do. And they're all dead and he isn't. Including the Mountain. ... Bronn's serious business. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Even the Starks gained rule over the north by conquering the other houses. The entire reason house Blackwood is in the riverlands is because house stark drove them out of the wolfswood.

I think it is more of a way for the person to be reminded of what the weapon pointed at them can do.

Its a fantasy show who cares

@@BEARDEDSLOTH802 The writers of this show S5 and prior. They actually had that kind of attention to detail, as did Martin, because the gritty realism (despite the magic and fantasy) is part of the core of the series.

No, he didn’t betray him. Tyrion fled King’s Landing after he killed Tywin. While Tyrion was in Essos, he worked his way into Dany’s court, but Bronn stayed with the Lannisters. Cersei/Jamie made him generous offers to help them in their endeavors, so he stayed around working with them, but he laid low, and he was never really loyal to either side. He’s also made it very clear that Bronn is about money, not loyalty or morals. Now that he’s seen Dany and her dragons, he’s fairly sure she’s the team to bet on- that’s why he didn’t kill Jamie or Tyrion right here. Bc if Dany wins and the brothers are dead, Dany sure as hell won’t pay him anything. And if Cersei wins, she promised him Riverrun, which is still pretty darn good, all things considering.

- Dude reloading a crossbow with the power of his mind, because not even The Mountain should be able to cock it with one hand let alone that fast; - Bronn has NO leverage whatsoever here, he only stands to lose, but somehow the show is pretending he has the better hand; - Bronn, the no BS guy, threatens two very smart men close to the queen with dragons and loyal armies, and without nothing to hold them accountable, expects Tyrion and Jaime to follow through on his EXTORTION after the war is over, you know, when they would be untouchable and would have no reason at all to keep their promises and would have all the reason in the world to have the traitor hanged and his lot given to a more loyal family.

To salvage the clusterfuck writing of season 8, I'd like to think Tyrion gave Highgarden to Bronn knowing that he couldn't hold it for long and would be killed by the other lords. There's zero chance that the Reach nobles would accept a former sellsword to hold one of the most prestigious and ancient strongholds in Westeros.

eh idk I think Bronn can pull 3 wins out of 10 vs Jaime. Bronn fights smart and has no concept of honor holding him back from fighting dirty, and he's very opportunistic. Jaime likes a fair fight hence why he punched the soldier that stabbed Ned Stark in the leg during their duel and when Jaime was in his prime he was very overconfident.