Bronn is right about how prominent houses were founded by cutthroats I mean Lann the Clever conned House Casterly out of their ancestral home!
@ezdub576228 күн бұрын
That’s the one good point in the scene, people often forget how the Starks got their ties to the magick of the old gods, the blood sacrifices of those they didn’t need or didn’t like. The nobility and chivalry only comes later, the age of heroes was mostly an angle of savagery, to my knowledge only House Dayne had a purely sin-free start.
@NickSteffen28 күн бұрын
@@ezdub5762 Wasn't it mostly destroying their rivals who had magic and then marrying the women into the family (the wiki of ice and fire page on "kings of winter" talk about this.) Probably one of the most cutthroat. At one point they killed someone called "The Warg King" taking his daughters.
@ezdub576227 күн бұрын
@@NickSteffen that too, I’m mostly referring to one of the visions Bran had of someone being executed either by a heart tree or their blood being poured into a heart tree, can’t remember which one. Either way, it shows that magic ties don’t just pop up out of nowhere, the Valyrians weren’t the only one who paid a price for their magic. The only ones to my knowledge who practiced a “purer” form of magic would probably be the Rhoynar, but given what happened with Garen I guess it didn’t stay that way.
@sterlingarcher7423 күн бұрын
As much as I hate this scene, it reinforced the theory that Bronn is a descendant of House Reyne. The theory goes that once the Lannisters took over, the remaining Reynes fled to Essos. Since they didn’t have land, they gave up their name. Eventually, an up-jumped sellsword (who happens to know the Lannister’s song) makes his way to Westeros to seek his fortune.
@noahswiss199723 күн бұрын
Or the lands lordships and castles would pass on to some random when the original family was annihilated like house gardener getting destroyed and high garden passing to the tyrells
@randomlyentertaining828727 күн бұрын
No Bronn, Tyrion DIDN'T say he'd pay you "double", he said "Whatever their price, I'll beat it."
@user-vw5lq5iw2h21 күн бұрын
He just kind of forgot
@cool100718 күн бұрын
Perfect example of the show decline in writing.
@1937ninjaboy14 күн бұрын
@@cool1007 imagine if bronn was conning Tyrion again. Tyrion didn't remember how much he was paying Bronn, so Bronn had every opportunity to squeeze as much money out of him.
@user-dv9dp6fn4v8 күн бұрын
It’s a negotiation tactic lol
@user-yf7mo1mh1v8 күн бұрын
to be fair, for us and their timeline, that was several years ago.
@R.L.C666Ай бұрын
“Only death would shut you up!” 🤣🤣
@SeytomАй бұрын
Seeing the Tyrion-Bronn-Jamie arc go out so lamely was one of the sadder parts of Season 8.
@moneyball64729 күн бұрын
Facts.
@randallstubblefield16339 күн бұрын
When close, bro's fallout for NO REASON AT ALL.
@Scr4amxSilently4 күн бұрын
@@randallstubblefield1633 he’s a cutthroat yes loyal but only when he’s paid .
@Warboss_Thrakka_Snazzfingas17 сағат бұрын
Wasnt supposed to be that way
@peytonsmith1062Ай бұрын
In this scene, I thought Bronn has gone mad but he actually has a point. People are only Kings because there are people like Bronn who did the dirty work for them only for the Kings to be put on the throne while the people who did it for them don't get any reward.
@subutaynoyan5372Ай бұрын
Feudal kings, are very high regarded dukes and lords, that are recognised by other lords as their primus inter pares. The King of England was never just some random lord, he was always from a long line of rulers for one. Even supposed nomadic "barbarians" from the east, Huns, and Mongols, have very old family lines of dynastical rule that gives them justification for their titles. Chingiz Khan wasn't the Great Khan of mongols just by his merit, he was son of the Yesugei, who was most probably descending from the Golden Family blood that was chief among the steppes since Hunnic khaghans. Bronn however, is just some murderer, no family, no marrige pact, no support. Tyrion can't give him Highgarden even if he wants to
@taavidudeАй бұрын
King Albert I of Belgium fought alongside his soldiers in WW1, even his wife, queen Elizabeth was on the fronts, working as a nurse. King Wladyslaw III of Poland fought in the Crusade of Varna and died during the battle of Varna. King Magnus Barefoot of Norway led two campaigns in Ireland, fighting in battles. Alexander the Great, now this one is harder to know for sure, due to how extremely long ago he lived, but it is said that he almost always fought on the front lines and was even dangerously injured in multiple battles.
@gezenews27 күн бұрын
No it's a pretty bad point because this all relies on Tyrion being a wimp and also needlessly reveals his betrayal of cersei to Jaime. Now he has to hide in the woods until Tyrion wins and then try to get in touch with Tyrion before one of thousands of guards ever spot him.
@davecrupel281718 күн бұрын
It almost feels like a call back to what Varys said about power.
@stopkins2224 күн бұрын
@@subutaynoyan5372 At this point Bronn isn't just some murderer anymore. He's married to Lollys Stokeworth. Since the show skips on major part of Bronn's story line people who just watch the show don't know how important Stokeworth land is. It's one of the two biggest suppliers of food for King's Landing and since Lollys isn't in fit state to rule over the land it leaves Bronn acting as Lord of Stokeworth. Now the next part is just from the books and since the show went different way we can't say for sure if it happened there as well (behind the scenes) or not, but at the end of Feast of Crows, Bronn and his wife have legitimate claim to acquire Rosby which is the second of the two biggest suppliers of food for King's Landing. If Bronn takes control of Rosby in Winds of Winter, he will have majority of said supply at his disposal. That would make him probably the most important smaller lord in Westeros.
@PescadoDelDiablo5 ай бұрын
Ofc Bronn is proven 100% correct to stay out of the upcoming calamity.
@HittokiriBattousai1727 күн бұрын
People like Bronn are too seasoned to allow themselves any true allegiance. They move with the strongest one and they're the first ones to leave him for a stronger one, these people are like rats, they always survive.
@MindfulnessGamer19 күн бұрын
He was a sell sword from the get go. No reason for him to have any loyalty
@bbaker4117Ай бұрын
I rewatched the whole series recently. Seasons 1-4 were a magnificent fantasy epic. Seasons 5-6 were above average. Seasons 7-8 were just regular-ass TV, and this scene is a good example of why.
@MrMGR1986Ай бұрын
GoT s1-4 is the best television ever made.
@billwilson9602Ай бұрын
Nope. Have you even seen the other great television dramas? 😂
@nolarimaАй бұрын
@@MrMGR1986 HBOs Rome is better
@alugificatorАй бұрын
Seasons 5-7 are average - some ok, some bad, with some episodes of absolute brilliance.
@bbaker4117Ай бұрын
@@nolarima Rome WOULD have been better if they had gotten the full 5 seasons Bruno Heller planned out. Unfortunately he spent all of HBO's money on a recreation of the Roman Forum that only got a few minutes of screen time, so they had to condense the arcs of Seasons 2-5 into a truncated Season 2.
@DagwoodDogwoggleАй бұрын
I love the look on Bronn's face when Tyrion says "Highgarden". Jerome Flynn nailed it - that look of he did not think Tyrion could come up with a real answer AND he just got offered the richest, most fertile land in Westeros. A detail a lot of viewers don't consider here is that Bronn has seen both castles and the land they are on. He was present in laying siege to both of them and he told Jamie he wanted Highgarden. It's not like Bronn is accepting the offer on Highgarden's reputation - he's taken both castles for a test drive and he wants the better one.
@nanaconventa1337Ай бұрын
It's one of the most bs scenes in GoT. Literally every character acted like we havent seen them ever before. Tyrion master of logic and negotiations just shouts with offer him 1/4 of kingdom. The rest has no sense either
@claffy213 күн бұрын
Bronn gets offered Riverrun, a wet, miserable place that mainly sells fish. And to beat that offer, Tyrion offers one of the most sought-after and fertile lands in the Seven Kingdoms. It's ridiculous negotiating and makes Tyrion look like a fool.
@BlaidWhiteYo2 күн бұрын
Lol Bronn becoming lord of the reach probably created a huge civil war in the reach. The powerful reach houses like The Hightowers, Redwyne and Tarly would never swear fealty to a commoner.
@LightTrack-26 күн бұрын
There was no reason for either of them to keep their word lol
@treyfrm72623 күн бұрын
Bronn saved tyrions life and ty made bronn rich they’re literally indebted to each other
@datnoob439415 күн бұрын
Except for the fact that if Bronn snuck his way into a position where he could kill both of them once he could do it again
@hydraman24614 күн бұрын
I like to imagine Podric comes in during Tyrian’s joke at the end and strangles Bronn to death
@LightTrack-14 күн бұрын
@@treyfrm726 You just described how they had paid off their debts. Bronn was basically expecting Tyrion to honor his word. As if he's Ned Stark or something. A sensible person would have just had him killed.
@not_averge7 күн бұрын
Yes there wasn't But a lords word is worth nothing if he's a proven liar
@Sydneysideliner26 күн бұрын
Bronn arriving at a scene involving Cersei:
@Acranify13 күн бұрын
i wonder who put it in their contract that they would not do a scene with the other. or if it was mutual
@jiggamanog6 күн бұрын
@@Acranifyapparently they hated each other
@Acranify6 күн бұрын
@@jiggamanog yeah, question is who hated the other one the most
@wallywest9257Ай бұрын
Jamie on his best day would indeed kill Bronn
@asmor5838Ай бұрын
in a fair fight sure...in a street fight maybe
@JohnSmith-nx7zjАй бұрын
@@asmor5838Jaime did plenty of “proper” fighting, it’s not like he only fought in tournies. He talks about killing “one of the outlaws in the brotherhood” in one of the earliest episodes. He’d stomp a sellsword like Bronn.
@skyshatter3633Ай бұрын
@@JohnSmith-nx7zj not while Bronn holds a loaded crossbow. Jaime prime was good, one of the top fighters. But he couldn`t possibly pull his sword and block the arrow that fast.
@Someothername2134Ай бұрын
@@skyshatter3633 depends on whether or not he is needed for another scene.
@suryia6706Ай бұрын
But his best days WERE behind him 😅
@PR3DATOR490Ай бұрын
Even if Bronn is crazy and willing to believe the word of two people held at weaponpoint for something they do not even have the power to give if they win - That would be Danny and are they just going to ignore the possibility she will give Highgarden to someone more trustworthy and who actually fought for her I.E She gives it to Sam. Bronn is going to wait for Danny to win, find out Tyrion cannot deliver... and then what ? Kill the hand of the Queen who has just defeated Cersi who will be in no position to reward Bron with Riverrun or anything else.
@stacuu2222Ай бұрын
Sam can't be a lord anymore. He took vows of BOTH citadel and nights watch
@PR3DATOR490Ай бұрын
@@stacuu2222 Tell that to Jon Snow
@stacuu2222Ай бұрын
@@PR3DATOR490 Jon kind of... died. And his vows were "...my watch begins. It shall not end until my death." so IMO he was freed from his obligation.
@BigMac800027 күн бұрын
It's an easy sell to Dany. The Dothraki won't want it. The Unsullied have no experience running a profitable farmland. All the houses of Westeros are in ruin. She'll never trust a house that served Lannisters with the most important asset in Westeros. Dorne is not only dubious, but her biggest threat - they have dragon killing weapons. Other than her right hands, she has no one to hand them to. Bronn on the other hand is more than capable of surviving, he's better than Jamie on the field, he's ruthless enough and most importantly... not soft. Anyone running high garden needs to be able to live lavishly but not go insane with power. Bronn's perfect. Loyal to the coin, but frugal as can be. You need a ruthless man to tend the fields who can kill, but also appreciate the finery... and Daenerys can't rule everywhere. Jaime and Tyrion will claim their useless ancestral land, or Harrenhall, and hang back... if they survive. There's a lot of if's, why not one more? Meanwhile they still have to contend with the Iron Bank. They'll want High garden, making Bronn ideal to defend it. More than anything though keeping Bronn happy is key. Tyrion knows how capable he is, you need him. You never want him as a free agent, it's a total waste and a huge liability. Dany is no fool, there's no one who can take High garden and not be corrupted, except the world's biggest snake. You can trust him to be the serpent in the garden, instead of the dragon ruining it... and he tows the line. Dany's lost every person she trusts, anyone else she trusts needs to be near her. And the good thing about being an absolute dictator, or fascist, is that nobody will really own anything. Bronn will be a vassal or an appointed governor, nothing more. She shares power with no one. But Bronn is fine with loyalty, there's no point pretending you own something when a queen with dragons *exists*. He's ambitious, but not that ambitious. Those dragons guarantee he can retire in a land terrified of dragons instead of him. It's an excellent win... as long as he survives what's coming. Which is a dubious prospect at best and they all know it. When it comes to high garden it will come down to someone capable, not trustworthy. Dany doesn't trust anyone at all, not even her closest advisors. She trusts her dragons. Bronn is a good a choice as any, and Tyrion's emphatic recommendation will be exquisite and laced with truths she'll want to hear. She loves unbelievable bastards. They often turn out to be so much more ... for better or for worse.
@ggwp638BC22 сағат бұрын
I mean, this is even based on the idea that Bronn COULD get anyone killed. What was he going to do? Batman his way into King's Landing, the Royal Palace, all of the royal guard and then hopefully find Tyrion or Jaime and kill them? Or would he raise his army of 200 peasants and start a war? Nothing here makes sense.
@astoriasenju6162Ай бұрын
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present to you: the art of hedging your bet
@keithadams761917 күн бұрын
Tyrion was smart to take Bronn seriously here, not that long ago, it was him holding the crossbow. He knows not to doubt Bronn will use it.
@davidcorruthers78 Жыл бұрын
Bronn was right the great houses stared because they had one hard bastard that was willing to the dirty work especially the starks included
@michaeldefeo14399 ай бұрын
Very true, Starks like to say they took control of the North bc the North needed a strong house to lead them through the cold winters and harsh environment and all other things but in reality they did just want to be the Kings and not answer to anyone, and there is nothing wrong with that, but basically I’m just saying Bronn is totally right.
@ka-boom2083Ай бұрын
Wrong. House Lannister didn't start that way, Lann the clever wasn't hard, wasn't a bastard, and certainly didn't do any dirty work for anyone.
@user-mv7ee2sc3pАй бұрын
@@ka-boom2083 Of course not, he was an angel...
@josephmelton472110 күн бұрын
You all need to read more books and watch less tv. There
@ka-boom208310 күн бұрын
@@user-mv7ee2sc3p he was no angel, he was a trickster
@StratigozАй бұрын
Bronn totally deserved his rise in this show. His is not only good in combat but wise and more smart than the supposedly smarter than him guys.
@JlnealiiiАй бұрын
2nd sentence is a humdinger.
@nanaconventa1337Ай бұрын
He got a lot and more than deserved but no Highgarden
@rdm936123 күн бұрын
I don't understand why Tyrion just allows Bron to become Lord of Highgarden and Master of Coin at the end of the show, after having literally attacked and threatened him. He is a mercenary. His only loyalty is coin. He was useful for Tyrion in the beginning, but now he's a loose cannon. Crowning random mercenaries who threaten you as Lord of great houses and given high ranks in the small council is no way to run a kingdom. Tyrion should've had him killed. This scene wasn't played for laughs - Bron really was threatening Jaime and Tyrion.
@ggwp638BC21 сағат бұрын
Well, these are the same writers that wrote the whole scene revolving around a crossbow, while not knowing how crossbows work. If we assume Bronn could cock that thing with one arm, he could wrestle those dragons bare handed.
@michaeldefeo14399 ай бұрын
Say what you want but Bronn was a Great and one of the most entertaining characters to watch in the whole series!
@09stoneheartАй бұрын
The writers kind of forgot you need a special lever to recock that crossbow.
@taavidudeАй бұрын
They could've given Bronn a repeating crossbow and this issue would've been solved, but they were too lazy to even do that.
@mikec4964Ай бұрын
Tyrion used a similar crossbow. Tyrion knows it needed a special lever. Tyrion could have notified Jamie about this and been done with the whole scene
@09stoneheartАй бұрын
@@mikec4964 That is the crossbow Tyrion used to kill Tywin with. That's why Cersei gave it to Bronn to use on Tyrion.
@glowhoo9226Ай бұрын
@@09stoneheartTyrion used joffrey’s crossbow
@09stoneheartАй бұрын
@@glowhoo9226 which Cersei then gives to Bronn to kill Tyrion.
@EliothzzАй бұрын
Bronn is 100% right about how noble houses are created, even if you look at our history, the noble houses of middle-age europe were created mostly because some dude served a king in one or two important battles, and was awarded some land and a city/castle because of it.
@subutaynoyan5372Ай бұрын
Noble houses are built by traditional houses that go back thousands of years if you really seek deep. Highgarden is a seat of kings! Not some mere castle, no fucking sellsword can jump from nothing, to ownership of a kingdom's capital just like that!
@cheshirehat93Ай бұрын
@@subutaynoyan5372 You are right that Highgarden is a seat of kings and older blood. But a fucking sellsword absolutely can jump from nothing to ownership of a Kingdom's capital. Several of them actually, it has happened multiple times in our own history. Temujin for instance, he was a nobody, shunned by his own family and people, a man with nothing but wits and a taste for killing, how many kingdom's capitals did he conquer or turn to ash? How many descendants has he left? When exactly does one's blood become noble then? Is it after you've held some land for long enough? Or your descendents? Or is it all about how many men you've killed? Who the fuck knows? A "noble" is only as noble as a "holy" man is holy, and no more than that, it's all pieces of paper and the power to back up whatever bullshit was written upon them. Eventually idiots like you start to take those words seriously and to actually believe that Gilgamesh wrestled with lions and laid with goddesses.
@victormelendez2332Ай бұрын
@@subutaynoyan5372If i can recall House Lannister founder was a con artist, Lann the Clever the trickster of the dawn who some believe he was the bastard son or grandson of the high king Garth the Green Hand of the Reach. Lann got Casterly Rock by swindling the House Casterlys who owned it, some say he did it by making them think the castle was haunted by rigging traps, howling like deamon in the caverns , and stealing their treasures from one brother and placing them in the bedroom of another which caused to flee from their home other stories say he got rid of them by releasing a pride of Lions to devour the Casterlys. Other say he just slept with their maiden while they slept and got them pregnant with Lannister babies.
@EliothzzАй бұрын
@@subutaynoyan5372 Yeah i think Bronn kinda overplayed his hand here, after the war was done, all tyrion needed to do as the first act as hand of the king would be to arrest bronn on sight when he came asking for his lordship of the reach.
@MylesKillisАй бұрын
@@subutaynoyan5372 Bron isn’t nothing. He’s an annoyed knight/general with land and titles already.
@socialMedia-es9gcАй бұрын
They should just made Bron leaving Cersei because is really a vile person to fight for and fought with Tyrion and jamie because he had better relationship with them. Bronn should have known that he was already given a castle before being shipped to Dorne, therefore he was already rewarded for service.
@glowhoo9226Ай бұрын
He was rewarded for his service but then Jaime came and dragged him away from it. Plus, bronn legit saved Jaime’s life during the battle of the gold road.
@nanaconventa1337Ай бұрын
@@glowhoo9226 y, so gave him quarter of kingdom. Good idea!
@thegreenreaper666017 күн бұрын
@@nanaconventa1337 Knowing the vast power and resources of the Reach, putting a 'hard bastard who's good at killing people' as the Lord Paramount, isnt a bad idea. Even some of the strongst Lords of the Reach would think twice before crossing an experienced, battle-hardenen, vile and ruthless man as Bronn. Especially when they know that Bronn also had good contacts with both the Queen's Hand, as with Jaime Lannister of Casterly Rock. It would keep the richest Region of Westeros, well in check, and lóyal to the Crown!
@johnacosta835326 күн бұрын
He’s asking the right amount of uncomfortable to make everyone feel comfortable 😂😂😂
@bjornjosephАй бұрын
this season made zero sense. they didnt know what to do with bronn so they did this shit. why would bronn betray any of these 2
@SuperGreatSphinxАй бұрын
Avarice
@arcanewarrior863Ай бұрын
Cus he's an evil bastard with no conscience, as Tyrion said. He was always a man looking out for himself and no one else, and had no loyalty for anyone. Only mistake made is why he seems so hateful and angry at them. If they just kept him stoic and uncaring, like it was just business it would look better
@subutaynoyan5372Ай бұрын
This is just fan service for the memes going on, a lot of idiots were making content about Bronn not getting a castle, so they just came up with this shit
@cheshirehat93Ай бұрын
He might have reason to betray them, I'll give them that. But why in the fuck would he trust that two men, one who merely serves and the other actively hated by would have the influence to convince a queen who doesn't even know who the fuck he is to grant him one of the greatest castles in the realm and an entire kingdom along with it on a whim? That is IF they kept they word, they could simply send a shit ton of assassins after him when they hypothetically reach their goal. Every character lost like 50 IQ points to match the incompetence of those two products of nepotism called Daniel Weiss and David Friedman.
@glowhoo9226Ай бұрын
Because he’s a sellsword? I swear you people think the power of friendship triumphs over anything. Bronn was willing to let Tyrion die during his trial, because he wasn’t willing to fight the mountain. Their ENTIRE relationship is transactional. They like each other, but bronn is a sellsword at the end of the day.
@MindfulnessGamer19 күн бұрын
I wish Bronn arrived in the middle of the long night taking place
@mikec4964Ай бұрын
Timing is everything. Bronn should have followed Jamie to Winterfell secretly and this scene should have happened prior to the battle of winterfell. Bronn could then argue about what he is due, yada yada yada. At the battle of Winterfell, Bronn should have died saving Tyrion in the crypt, realising Tyrion has to live to fulfil his promise of Highgarden.. It would have given Bronn a full circle ending - he originally fought to save Tyrion at the Vale when he didn't have to, gained his trust, worked his way up and lost everything right at the end. Yes people would have been mad a fan favourite died, but it also gives Tyrion someone he has lost, when Dany is realising shes lost a lot of good allies. At the end, Lollys could be revealed to have had a baby boy, and Tyrion could THEN give Bronn of the Blackwaters heir Highgarden. It would have been a nice nod to a Lanister always paying their debts.
@glowhoo9226Ай бұрын
Bronn never would’ve fought at the battle of winterfell. That goes against his entire ideology. He fought for Tyrion because Tyrion is a Lannister, and he wanted to gain favor with him. Plus, that was a fight he could win. He refused to fight the mountain on Tyrion’s behalf, because the chances of him dying were way too high. He likes Tyrion, but he’s not willing to die for him. Bronn staying and fight in at winterfell makes ZERO sense. Tyrion doesn’t really owe him anything at this point, but Jaime does, since bronn saved Jaime’s life.
@ggwp638BC22 сағат бұрын
It's hard to spot the problem with scenes like these because they have 3 amazing actors squeezing milk out of stone. But I like to recall a scene between Arya and the Hound. Arya is practicing her fencing, Hound sees her, makes fun of her, of her lessons, of her teacher, let's the girl stab him, tanks it with his armor and proclaims "the best swordsman is a big guy, in a big armor with a big f- sword". That's the spirit of ASOIAF. Despite the magic, the fantasy, there is a tangible sense of gritty realism. Bronn is not Batman, he is a sellsword, he gets paid to kill people way less experienced than himself. What happens if Jaime and Tyrion dies there? Dragons burn down Bronn's castle with Bronn inside. Armies knock on his door and a his leftovers will be dog food. The whole negotiation makes no sense, hell Tyrion and Jaime could just say yes to whatever and never care to follow through. Again, what the hell is Bronn gonna do? He is a lowborn, he has no armies, no ancient pacts, to favors to call upon, no debts to collect. His position as lord is entirely dependent on the favor and good will of whoever sits on the Iron Throne. Hell, it irks me even more THAT HE RELOADS THAT CROSSBOW WITH ONE HAND. Look, if you can reload a crossbow like that as if you were cycling a rifle's bolt, you wouldn't need a crossbow to begin with. A seasoned archer would need to dig their crossbow into the dirt, hold it down with one foot, and pull the string with their whole body in order to cock it. This is also why anyone using a crossbow would also carry this neat little device called A LEVER to be able to cock it more than twice before muscle failure got you out of the fight. Don't get me wrong, a cocked crossbow with a bolt is one hell of a threat, but the moment he fired that warning shot he was out of his main weapon, and in perfect position to get shanked by Jaime and Tyrion. Oh, and this isn't an issue with ASOIAF or even GoT in general. There is a scene where Joffrey uses a crossbow, and he uses a lever to cock it. That's just post-book quality at play.
@fbi996527 күн бұрын
After seeing HoD you realise Bron would never be accepted as a ruler if Riverrun
@starparikАй бұрын
“That’s Good” 😂
@yaohun8 күн бұрын
Love the scene when Bronn shot the crossbow how it shows how shocked Jaime and Tyrion was and after Jaimes still talked bs to Bronn the disbelief on Tyrion's face like "could you please shut up, you trying to get us killed?".
@sterlingarcher7423 күн бұрын
This one scene ruined Bronn. I mean he was one of the best fighters on the show and he was SIDELINED for all of the battles of the last season. His entire character arc was supposed to lead to him finally making a selfless choice- he would often make noble gestures, but they’d be masked by him asking for payment after the fact.
@stephenbrake742421 күн бұрын
This was such a stupid scene, and felt almost like a mini character assassination for Bronn. He started out like this, but developed a ton when travelling with Tyrion and Jamie, and became good comrades with them, more than just a sellsword as depicted here, yet, it's like the writers forgot about all of that. In fact, it's like the writers forgot about just about every damn minute of character development during the final season, and made a ton of stupid outcomes for beloved characters.
@hexabossbossman57315 күн бұрын
Lmfao Bronn was always a sellsword, loyal only to who paid him best. Don't confuse people having great chemistry together for friendship. He left Tyrion to his fate when it came to the trial of combat with The Mountain and did not even bother trying to find another way to help him. You have to remember, even Tyrion, considered the lowest of the lannisters and more than likely being given the least of them, was still the son of Tywin, Tyrion had riches beyond what most men would ever have in 10 lifetimes. So he could always afford to pay Bronn off even if someone else tried hiring him. Bronn literally said "enhances it really" once... That is what it means, the "chemistry" is a bonus, but his main motivator was always money and if Tyrion does not pay up, anyone is free to hire him to kill Tyrion. Earlier seasons which did have the books as source materials make it very clear that the "friendship" came second for Bronn, the money (and status) always comes first. In this scene, the dynamic is different. Tyrion has access to fuck all. So he has to appeal to his real motivation, which was always gold. It was so back when they met and it is so in this scene too. This is one of the few scenes they actually got right post-book source material without botching a character, but you dumbass reddit morons choke on so much dick from your faggotry that you are incapable of understanding anything that is not fluffy rainbows.
@ggwp638BC21 сағат бұрын
I wouldn't say it's beyond Bronn to do that, he did abandon Tyrion before. However it is completely out of character for him to threaten the winning team and then expect them to follow through on empty promises AFTER they have dealt with all their issues.
18 күн бұрын
For those complaining that the Lannister boys had no reason to honor their word, keep in mind their motto: A Lannister always pays their debts, and they absolutely were in Bronn's debt for numerous reasons, not because Bronn threatened to assassinate them, and they both knew it.
@supersaiyanzero38612 күн бұрын
This is halfway through season 8. Lannisters always paying their debts is irrelevant. The lore has been butchered by now.
11 күн бұрын
@@supersaiyanzero386 I don't disagree, the show's writing was absolutely in the gutter for the last 2 seasons, but in this particular instance, it was accurate to their characters. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
@ggwp638BC21 сағат бұрын
That wasn't a debt, that was an extortion. Tyrion had nothing obligating him to follow through, rather had every motive to call Bronn a traitor and have him hanged. Also, obligatory "it's a common saying, not their motto". That phrase is just a common saying, and it's mostly a veiled threat.
@PaulA-ns9te13 күн бұрын
glad to see Bronn's arc resolved...
@xheatproofspy7011Ай бұрын
5 year old clip and I see at least 100 comments within the last couple days-week. Shows how timeless game of thrones is.
@williamslater-vf5ymАй бұрын
That's the algorithm. Every now and then, they take old uploads and share them out to anyone who watches that kind of content.
@3baxcb29 күн бұрын
Haters are going to hate such a fact. And such a scene is why the show will get talked about for years to come.
@MLGpuppetlordАй бұрын
Jaime or Arya totally should have killed Cersei. Fuck how they ended Cersei and Jaime. Rewatched season 8 and while I loved it the first time, rewatching it after rewatching seasons 1-6 for 3 times so you get everything better really puts a sour taste in your mouth. I don't think it's as bad as people say still, but god did they fuck some characters up.
@zsahe2116 күн бұрын
This is where Bronn became Lord of Highgarden.
@ThePhysicalReaction10 күн бұрын
damn jaime being super reasonable "can we reasonably bargain here? but I will shut the hell up"
@HolyknightVader99913 күн бұрын
1:12 Looks like Zhuge Liang gave his designs for the repeating crossbow to Bronn.
@ethansomer73623 күн бұрын
Crazy how every Tyrell is dead somehow
@friday644825 күн бұрын
For all the faults of season 8, ending Bronn's story by just having him say "fuck all of you, give me a castle right now and stop stringing me alone" was perfect for him
@HolyknightVader99913 күн бұрын
1:40 That's probably how Aegon the First feels about the Dance of Dragons.
@jayg33912 күн бұрын
I think this scene could’ve been done in a similar fashion, but better. Bronn has more or less become friends with Jamie and Tyrion at this point, but they had given him many promises that had not been kept. It could’ve been done a bit different where Bronn has a frank conversation with his past friends about all the things he’s done for them, what they promised him, and what he currently has - and how Cersei is currently promising him a castle and has already given him a large sum of gold. Bronn even said to Tyrion when he was captive for the murder of Joffrey “aye, and when have you ever put your life on the line for me?” Plus Bronn put his life on the line to help Jamie get Marcella back. That being said, him being Master of Coin at the end is just stupid - no saving that one.
@brentchristopher736311 күн бұрын
Never thought Bronn would do that. I wonder if Tyrion’s nose punch and crossbow arrow sealed the deal for him or he just dug his grave with that stunt.
@maxi1ification13 күн бұрын
Curiously, Bronn's dialogue, as it was written, wasn't that bad. The actual scene and its believability was awful and all over the place, but Bronn's dialogue itself was ok. They really expect us to believe that all other noble houses in Westeros would tolerate a cutthroat sellsword being suddenly elevated to the position of Lord Paramount of the Reach, without even a knighthood as previous precedent or experience ruling or any noble lineage to speak of... no reason for any of them to be loyal... sounds like a recipe for disaster. The Tyrells got away with it because they had the backing of the Targaryens and their dragons AND they, despite being a very minor house, had been stewards of High Garden for some time before, so eventually it was a pill they could swallow, but I don't see it ever happening with Bronn
@adamrobinette683222 күн бұрын
What's interesting is that based on Bronn's interactions with Tyrion and Jamie throughout the show, I feel like he never intended to make a deal to fight for Cersei, dragons or no. He always wanted to fight with Tyrion and Jaime, but knew to get paid properly, he was going to have to come heavy and strong arm them. It was always going to be them, but he wanted to make sure he could retire after this one.
@fives.23 күн бұрын
This scene = masterfully done, that Jamie and Tyrion, the respective pride and joy & fucking annoyance of Tywin, got held at bow-point by a sellsword they forgot to pay their debt to, the very same weapon that killed Tywin, and practically told them off on the same stuff that Tywin obsessed over, is just terrific. Probably the last great writing in the show
@not_averge7 күн бұрын
People saying "the crossing is double riverun" WHAT
@captainlongdik8724Күн бұрын
on his best day jaime would've shove that cross up tho his back side lol.
@Jake-cy7to12 күн бұрын
The Bron that almost fought 2 kingsguard to help Tyrion, the Bron that jumped into a freaking dragon spitting fire, to tackle Jaime, drag him out of the water and save his life. That Bron, although selfish and money oriented. Would've never done this.
@RylanStorm3 күн бұрын
Bronn isn't a match for right handed Jamie.
@grimmywizardАй бұрын
Bronn underestimates Jaime on his best day.
@brandon39531Ай бұрын
I think he was alluding to jaime not being able to stop him from killing him with that crossbow. Which jaime didn't have a weapon pulled out and he was in front of bronn, if he was behind bronn, he would have had a shot at a sneak attack.
@BigMac800027 күн бұрын
@@brandon39531 Exactly. He can't throw a dagger, he can't out duel a crossbow. Let alone THAT crossbow, it's exquisitely made. Bronn saved Jaime a few times from being reckless, he's more than ready to harm him to get the point across. ... and judging how soundly Bronn has won most conflicts, Jaime should be scared. We can't scale Bronn, but he was considering fighting the Mountain. Jaime's brave, but he's not that brave. Even in a straight up fight, Bronn grew up killing. No feather beds and special trainers. He just did it. No tournament tactics, no need for it. Jaime's too 4 in Westeros as a duellist, but Bronn never really did duels. Too busy making his fortune. ... I wouldn't want to see Jaime test stepping towards Bronn. That'd be ugly. If the true measure is anything, Tyrion made sure Jaime trained with Bronn... he knew Bronn had something to teach more than just left handed combat. He wanted Bronn to put him in the dirt hard. Even on Jaime's best day he's cocky, and Bronn is a raging psychopath. I'd put Bronn up against Dayne and Selmy. Selmy might be ready for that ruthlessness, but Dayne wasn't ready for treachery. We can't scale Bronn to tournaments, he never really did that, but he knows what they can do. They don't know what he can do. And they're all dead and he isn't. Including the Mountain. ... Bronn's serious business. Discretion is the better part of valor.
@54hmanАй бұрын
Bullshit writing at its finest. Bronn could have killed cersei without anyone knowing it was him off screen and would have fixed the show. Prior to this he was best buds.with Tyrion. Classic writing by the people who continue to make millions by not listening to fans
@aminahmed6482Ай бұрын
It is highly doubtful that Daenerys would have given Bronn Highgarden. Even Cersei was most likely not giving him Highgarden. Especially if Bronn doesn't even fight for it on the battlefield. Even with the madness of Daenerys' fucking writers, that would not have happened. Most likely.
@mimiskoutsandreas-kd1fiАй бұрын
He is right you know, about the great lords and kings, its true
@glowhoo9226Ай бұрын
Even the Starks gained rule over the north by conquering the other houses. The entire reason house Blackwood is in the riverlands is because house stark drove them out of the wolfswood.
@bostontowny4life74410 күн бұрын
What will Brons house be called? Bron Blackwater? The original Lannister was named Lan, so maybe Bron could be house Bronnister.
@davidl242Ай бұрын
Lol the savage burn on Jaime is pure gold… but other than that line… this scene is utter nonsense……
@user-bj8sc5rz5n19 күн бұрын
if tyrion had managed to get bronn on their side , pretty sure it would have been a different ending .
@bailmasterflexАй бұрын
That’s Joffreys crossbow right? I think there’s a line that confirms it too?
@MindfulnessGamer19 күн бұрын
Bronn shooting an arrow at the wall still doesn’t prove that he would kill them 🤷♂️
@TheScouseYank15 күн бұрын
I think it is more of a way for the person to be reminded of what the weapon pointed at them can do.
@trialsoflife330015 күн бұрын
god, the over use of Bronn in the last season instead of Main Characters was obsurd😢
@decrepitfrogman8814Ай бұрын
The fact that anyone sees this scene as being in any way coherent or fit into anyone’s character arc or the narrative as a whole is exactly why we continue to get garbage media. Even viewing this for the first time it felt like a teenager wrote fanfiction for the show. Nonsensical and extremely jarring; not to mention disturbing and frankly demoralizing that so many people eat this up and say “yeah this is good TV”
@BD-cu2pg17 күн бұрын
Bronn can sneak up on 2 of the most important people with no guards and with a big fucking cross bow. Why didn’t he go sneak up on dany and end the war? The ridiculousness of the writing is beyond comprehension
@hawkstringfellow23 күн бұрын
Bronn is the man best player in the game lol 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@derpderps26694 күн бұрын
I always hated crossbows take to long to reload..
@catobrusveen11928 күн бұрын
Prime book jaime could kill bronn with 1 hand and 1 leg.
@johnargus908110 күн бұрын
Hated this scene. It completely betrayed the previous arc of his relationship with the two of them. His usual cocky nature was replaced here by Bronn the asshole. It would have been more fitting if Arya had showed up behind him and cut the bowstring, then held him with her dagger at his knife while the other two decided whether they should kill him or not.
@e.x.watson999723 күн бұрын
I found this whole scene rather... demeaning for the character of Bronn. After witnessing his rise (it's not really growth because as a character he remains pretty much the same) season by season it felt kinda cheap to see him physically assault, threaten and extort the two characters he was closest to.
@gl2222226 күн бұрын
Should’ve been the Twins. For obvious reasons.
@WJen829 күн бұрын
God I love Bronn and I'm not even into men 😂
@Spirosbotos29 күн бұрын
In my opinion bronn won the game of thrones sure Jon became king but bronns come up is the best
@danieln759125 күн бұрын
No way in hell is he reloading the crossbow that fast
@BEARDEDSLOTH80212 күн бұрын
Its a fantasy show who cares
@ggwp638BC21 сағат бұрын
@@BEARDEDSLOTH802 The writers of this show S5 and prior. They actually had that kind of attention to detail, as did Martin, because the gritty realism (despite the magic and fantasy) is part of the core of the series.
@hodic1562Ай бұрын
Jamie Highgarden is Bronn's 🤔
@votecthulhu937813 күн бұрын
one of the worst moments of the entire show. Didnt make a lick of sense to not murder bron after this or keep your word
@carlosenriquez92634 ай бұрын
Bron betrayed tyrion??
@anjelica948Ай бұрын
No, he didn’t betray him. Tyrion fled King’s Landing after he killed Tywin. While Tyrion was in Essos, he worked his way into Dany’s court, but Bronn stayed with the Lannisters. Cersei/Jamie made him generous offers to help them in their endeavors, so he stayed around working with them, but he laid low, and he was never really loyal to either side. He’s also made it very clear that Bronn is about money, not loyalty or morals. Now that he’s seen Dany and her dragons, he’s fairly sure she’s the team to bet on- that’s why he didn’t kill Jamie or Tyrion right here. Bc if Dany wins and the brothers are dead, Dany sure as hell won’t pay him anything. And if Cersei wins, she promised him Riverrun, which is still pretty darn good, all things considering.
@patriot459Ай бұрын
This unironcaly is the one scene that shows that d and d absolutely knew what they were doing. This conversation actually feels like some old season dialogue and shows that most of the other garbage from season 8 was purposely rushed and screwed up.
@ggwp638BC21 сағат бұрын
- Dude reloading a crossbow with the power of his mind, because not even The Mountain should be able to cock it with one hand let alone that fast; - Bronn has NO leverage whatsoever here, he only stands to lose, but somehow the show is pretending he has the better hand; - Bronn, the no BS guy, threatens two very smart men close to the queen with dragons and loyal armies, and without nothing to hold them accountable, expects Tyrion and Jaime to follow through on his EXTORTION after the war is over, you know, when they would be untouchable and would have no reason at all to keep their promises and would have all the reason in the world to have the traitor hanged and his lot given to a more loyal family.
@sallybrookner4158Ай бұрын
Ugh, how did I come upon an GOT season 8 video? Bad memories of a once great series ruined.
@micro171516 күн бұрын
This is the right way to negotiate.
@joesteel7409Ай бұрын
The noble houses of the reach would never accept Bronn, they barely accepted the Tyrell’s and they had Gardner blood. Bronn won’t have an army or any bannermen, and he’ll face all the reach families. There’s zero chance he keeps Highgarden. Not to mention the many Tyrell’s who won’t accept the loss.
@benbenham5017Ай бұрын
P4P one of the dumbest scenes in series.
@subutaynoyan5372Ай бұрын
This is so fucking stupid and so against the very story they have built up in the show, it hurts my head. Writers care about Reddit memes than telling a story! A wanton cutthroat inheriting Highgarden? It would cause even the Dornish to rebel! Worse, they made this simple fuck the master of coin!
@moneyball64729 күн бұрын
Man this was totally unecessary and doesnt make sense. Bron in the grea council after the war and the Lord of High Garden.? What a joke. lol. Last two seasons this series turned into class C type series.
@yakib4663Ай бұрын
LANN THE CLEVER INDIRECTLY MENTIONED!!!
@mcnamaraky12 күн бұрын
One of the stupidest moments in an incredibly stupid season.
@leversandpulleys927428 күн бұрын
it hurts, the script sounds weird
@murrethmedia26 күн бұрын
God I hated this scene... I still do.
@publiusventidiusbassus123223 күн бұрын
Taking interesting side-characters like Bronn and vastly overstating their importance just because they were popular was one of the first signs of the show's increasing trend towards mediocrity. This scene is so juvenile and pointless, and nonsensical too - Bronn's entire leverage is pointing a crossbow at them, which disappears the moment he walks out of the room. They could scream for guards the second he leaves, they could have him killed after winning the war, etc - there's literally no reason to honor an agreement made under duress, with no witnesses and with only negative political ramifications from giving away 1/7 of the continent to a nobody.
@Jon14141Ай бұрын
Damn
@hitmanhart67016 күн бұрын
This was so stupid
@Natedawg3829 күн бұрын
HATE this scene
@serek_heterogenizowanyАй бұрын
Atrocious writing.
@007ejt007Ай бұрын
Bronn was one of my favorite characters in GOT, but they could have done without this scene... it makes his scene with Tyrion in the dungeon less believable. Seeing him say goodbye to Tyrion before his trial by combat was one of my favorite scenes.
@lukea13614 күн бұрын
I didn't like this scene. Didn't like him turning on them.
@kaianthony8077Ай бұрын
What an awfully written scene
@Guille-mz7xf13 күн бұрын
This is probably one of the worst scenes in got
@Chaotic_Monk4325 күн бұрын
I hate that Bronn actually got Highgarden
@gavinthegod64Ай бұрын
When I saw this scene, I knew this season was gonna be weird garbage, made me dislike Bron too
@atlasjukiba7639Ай бұрын
In the end, didn't Bronn end up getting High Garden but lost it during a small rebellion in the Reach between him and the other lords of the Reach.
@finnheisenheim8274Ай бұрын
To salvage the clusterfuck writing of season 8, I'd like to think Tyrion gave Highgarden to Bronn knowing that he couldn't hold it for long and would be killed by the other lords. There's zero chance that the Reach nobles would accept a former sellsword to hold one of the most prestigious and ancient strongholds in Westeros.
@dksoulstice6040Ай бұрын
This scene is just one of the many issues I take with GoT. While it's generally considered that Season 5 is when the show starts to decline and Seasons 7-8 are shit, the show never does Jaime Lannister justice. Guys like Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy, and Arthur Dayne are some of the greatest warriors in all of Westerosi history. Even if Bronn is an above-average warrior, it'd be like comparing Lebron James to a 1st Team All-American High School player. Bronn is nothing compared to Jaime. On his best day, Jaime would beat Bronn with one hand and take a piss with the other.
@DakkaDakka12Ай бұрын
eh idk I think Bronn can pull 3 wins out of 10 vs Jaime. Bronn fights smart and has no concept of honor holding him back from fighting dirty, and he's very opportunistic. Jaime likes a fair fight hence why he punched the soldier that stabbed Ned Stark in the leg during their duel and when Jaime was in his prime he was very overconfident.