BSG Deleted the post idk why www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/1cecaza/update_on_current_situation/

BSg speedrunned how to piss off their entire playerbase any %

PvE is not DLC but Arena is DLC?

They also lied that the PVE Mode is Offline. It was never Offline and never will be.

If the PvE mode isn't DLC, it means it's part of the game ahead of release, which, imo, is worse to paywall for EOD. We were promised the full game and DLC, if you are adding new paid features that aren't DLC, that's even worse that you are keeping them behind a paywall.

DLC in beta btw..

It's crazy how insistent BSG is on adding the distress beacon (PMC respawns) to Tarkov. If an announced feature needs immediate "restrictive or balancing changes" then maybe reconsider implementing it.

Its a big ask strat. They probably intended to do this from the start. Come in high, then seemingly make a compromise. Thus placate the fans and make them think they actually achieved something. Thus making the price gouging more palatable.

BSG is done for. In other news, have been playing the MPT mod for SP Tarkov with buddies since yesterday, and we're having a blast with 40-50 mods, load times under 1 minute for all map (except Streets, which take ~90sec) and we can manage every single details of the game. XP rates, loot rates, AI difficulties, boss spawn rates.. we've added crashed helicopters Events, 6 or 7 extra traders with 30+ new quests, about 140 new clothing sets available at Ragman, about 20ish new guns (including different part skins, colors, etc). Yeah, we're not paying $50 + taxes and fees (close to 100$) for what is basically a fraction of what we have been playing for free in the past 12 hours.

Let players locally host like Helldivers 2 does. That's the fix.

I'm not paying a single cent. Bring the 250€ to a lawyer instead.

I didn't have time for tarkov before this debacle, now I just don't regret it anymore. Great job bsg, finally escaped from tarkov.

The mention of all future DLC being free for EOD means all the content that they produce for Tarkov that non-EOD buyers will not have access to will be free for EOD users. We paid for 3 copies of the game essentially, $150 for a $50 game. It’s the most expensive game I’ve ever payed for, but bought it under the assumption that this would be it and would have a game that I would be able to continue having with no further purchases because we were promised all future DLC’s and that this would be it, no further P2W mechanics beyond this edition of the game. No subscription model, no micro transactions, no further purchases for this game if you payed 3 TIMES THE GAMES PRICE to have access to all of its current and future content. Now the people that bought the equivalent of 3 copies of the game are not getting anything they were promised. We bought the limited time game edition to support its development and to have access to ALL of its future content. If all you were going to get was just some p2w garbage in the beginning but could play the game and grind it out, then I wouldn’t have bought the EOD edition. I got it solely because it said that EOD users will have access to all future content. And now they’re back peddling on what that means. Ridiculous.

Even if we accept Nikitas view and DLC is only after 1.0 But that makes everything before the release the BASEGAME. So he didn't really score oints with his view anyway.

Pve not a dlc but arena (a whole separate game) is??

Thank you for saying “that’s my notification” I thought it was mine and was about to check and you saved me the trip.

Axel, you and a few others, you guys are real ones. You may lose some $ but your souls will be intact.

"thats my notification" sounds brother i was about to check mine ahaha

I don't understand, they gave 6 months for all EODs to access PVE, but they say they don't have enough servers to give all EODs access to PVE forever

The statement out not having money for servers, is lazy excuse. Why don't you just have local hosting! You are essentially killing to birds with one stone. Let me explain, One you don't need to pay for servers since local host is when a user hosts a game on there PC, allowing others to connect to their PC. Secoundly it allows all EOD owners to play coop pve mode. I just helped BSG save money and make everyone happy.

There was a page on the website stating what a DLC was in their minds, it stated DLC is after the full release. Saw it 2 days ago on a video and can't find the video now.

I wonder what DLC stands for?

question is, when will the game fully launch? So us EOD users dont have to wait forever for PVE or we pay extra for it.

Do you think they will give both benefits if you were an EoD who upgraded or bought the unheard edition? Would you still get the EoD benefits?

ppl dont talk enough that we as eod buyers paid for a gamemode with our money we cant play

The funniest thing that there won't be any release

Full game will be released in like 3 4 years. So it doesnt rly matter to EOD owners...

It's like when you buy a dodge Charger at the dealer and they tell you all options included, the price tag is exactly how much the hellcat would cost, and then you go out to the lot to have a look at the car and it's a V6 that looks exactly like a hellcat.

My question is. If they don't have the capacity of servers. What happens if every eod upgraded. Then the pve crashes and no access for anyone.

50% is still way too expensive for what is offered on table.

what your describing at 3:00 is exactly how SPT works lol, you spin up a local "server", then launch the game and connect to it. You can even load the server on a second machine and connect to it on your own network to offload the extra load from your main rig, they could just expand that with a peer to peer system to have your friends connect to u and your golden.

Update: LogicalSolutions is streaming live and just saw Reddit mods delete Nikita's post lol

DLC is litetally downloadable content so even patches after launch are considred dlc if it contains more content.

W for saying that was you're discord notifaction. Thank you LMAO

What the hell are you going to do with a Left Behind F#cking key!?!?!?!?!?!?

They also announced all that exclusive content for EOD owners (armband, unique dogtag, 20% increase in personal ammo amount purchasable from traders), will they be extending this to former EOD owners who decided to upgrade, or are we just shit outta luck?

Thank god a lot of alternatives are coming out. Hopefully they release soon.

Appreciate your upload and the one from yesterday as well by a alot ♥

Unfriend or block players that use the Distress Beacon??? Join their game and teamkill... Wondering if this might be a good way to combat that feature and by extent the UE??? Spit balling, any ideas?

If its not DLC, with what money did they develop it? didnt the money come from people that paid for the game?

as an eod owner i never expected them to give me in raid benefits , purchased the eod version first and foremost for convenience and also to support them back in 2017 when it stall had been called a russian scam game but this new version is straight up bullshit

How do I get my keys?

Thanks for saying it was your notification

To think I nearly started playing EFT a month ago... dodged a bullet there! 😅

As so many have said already, if they need more money for server space or operating costs then cosmetics is the way rather than basically leaving everyone feeling screwed over.

i dont see this post on reddit. can i get a link pls??

tbh the server situation was pretty much my first thought when they released that unheard edition . I think the issue is that many of these modes and features are being coded and implemented as they come up instead of designing the code from the beginning with all of that in mind like we are used to from AAA devs. This makes it not only very hard and resource intensive to add stuff like offline coop with progression, it also kinda forces you to take a certain approach ( as in, we need servers to host full sessions for only a few people each instead of full lobbys because the code is designed to be running on a server...) honestly i think they are doing the right things now with granting EOD upgrade discount, giving the PVE mode to EOD after release and having it be purchaseable separately ( this is propably the biggest win so a newcomer could buy the cheapest version of tarkov and buy the PVE upgrade instead of having to spend all the money to get the biggest edition when they might not even enjoy PVP)

Please, someone explain to Nikita what DLC means.

What happens with the „Friend-call - Function“ in an existing Raid? Did they cancel that BS?

they can definitely do it look at spt it runs off of your computer

i think the easiest way to square this circle is to treat this PVE mode like an early feature test bed and give SPT an official blessing to exist as long as you're playing with a legal copy of tarkov that you own. Bring SPT out of the wilderness and give the people who want to play with mods the option for a more robust (locally hosted) experience, with the server hosted online PVE as a package item where BSG can work out some AI bugs on their most ardent customers.

It is DLC. Also we have no recourse if tomorrow they say we are releasing the game 1.0 and shutdown development and there is no post release "DLC". Then what we paid $150 for nothing.

dlc is what comes after the game is finished eh? so why did eod users get arena for free then ?

I think this was a solid response.

“Any player of any version” standard edition too? Cause they only mention eod after that

If someone can explain to me why would an EOD owner buy TUE. To test the pve feature? Which btw you will get for free at release? Am I the only one that thinks this makes no sense?

Going in the right direction at least

Look at games like COD and Fortnite it’s a game mode inside the game it’s not a separate game. So it’s a DLC

nikita didnt write that lmFAO, that was his lawyer

Nikita's post was deleted lol, they're negotiating ig

So if you bought the Unheard Edition for the more expensive price, they compensate you by giving you a lesser edition? In what world does this make sense?

i am more content now knowing Offline/Official single player will come to EOD editions in the future while they test it out with unheard to finetune it. Glad to see they are selling it seperately too but we will have to wait for price. While i mentioned before i wouldnt give them money The discount and BSG's Attempt to fix things is tempting. I kinda want the other buffs and support them a little more but i know inside that that would be a horrible idea. Good video Axel :-)

My assumption is that they'll charge $50 for the base cost and so only EoD players would need to pay $15 for it. Everyone else gets hyper-upcharged prices to access it. My issue atm is that what they are doing is basically a "we need to placate the EoD players but we'll still ignore the non-EoD players" approach. They clearly still didn't think it through because the way Nikita worded the post to specifically address just the EoD players shows how much he lost touch with reality. Unheard Edition's still $250 (minus the cost of the players' current edition) for non-EoD players. It's still full price for PvE access for non-EoD players.

Single player offline would be a great move as not everyone plays with friends .. would stop a lot of people using SPT

so standard coop comes with EOD meaning its a dlc but coop WITH PvE isnt a dlc??

"After release of the game" LOL

server can't host on your pc... game would not run lol 3:00

Me and my friends are hosting friends only SPT. Even has mods to bring in stuff like helicopters , and better ai.

The scam towards EoD user became truly real, i mean seriously first of all they say "everything in the the future for EoD users gonna be free and now this. My biggest concern is if we EoD users buy those DLCs which we should have given for free what comes next? Like once they realize that people just gonna pay shit blindly even on false promises they just gonna do it again..

Easy fix is to make the unheard edition accessible from in game progression and make the co op mode free for everyone through host servers leave the full price of unheard edition as a option to upgrade early instead of grinding out in game progression

2 eyes open, how much did you pay for the second eye DLC?

delay the function of PVE until release

@4:24 everyone just opened their discord to check XD

I get that the extra servers for a PVE mode and really even the regular EFT isn't in there budget without extra revenue. They should have just been open about that and had a discussion with the community instead of what they did.

this man is digging himself in a deeper hole lol

I think the problem is, BSG have a different definition of DLC compared to the playerbase. It was very vague in there wording when you purchased. They also NEVER promised all content for free. They promised all "DLC" For free, which they define differently.

just to be sure i googles the meaning of DLC DLC abbreviation for downloadable content: additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features: expansion ( def 9 ). If you buy the DLC, you’ll have access to the new weapon packs. I had more fun playing the DLC than the game itself. so if THEY say DLC is an addition made AFTER the release i fear of further delaying the full release. anyway EA-games had some similar things going and just tried to sugarcoat things by stating lootboxes are just a "suprise-mechanic" .... i get the same feeling from BSG/EFT the entire situation is like a " you get all the dlc´s BUT we do not release any dlc´s. we offer new editions, opportunities and stuff like that BUT NO dlc´s you already paid for."

How about the p2w aspects of the Unheard Edition? They did not say anything about it..

The thing with giving EoD users access to the offline mode just without the coop component for now (as you suggested) is that this would basically be SPT just worse. SPT is free (if you own any version of tarkov) and you can play it basically vanilla or just customize it to whatever way you want to play tarkov. Dont get me wrong, it would still be better than what they are doing right now but it would essentially change nothing game wise for EoD owners ^^

2:53 You mean SPT-AKI? The modded version of EFT that is free and all you need is a legit copy of EFT already? 😄

nah, i paid for EOD and was promised all future DLCs, this seems to me alot like anchoring

Okay they don’t have the servers now what happens if everyone bought the pve mode then what now we can’t play it I don’t see why they didn’t roll it out like they did arena

If its not a DLC then its part of the base game and should be free. Otherwise what is it then acording to them? :D

Dropping DLC before the game hits 1.0 is insane. So is a $250 edition if you’re not EoD

Why would an extra key help the ppl that paid the $100 for the upgrade, I don’t understand

3:04 That is called SPT ;)

I like the idea for EOD getting an offline PVE mode

the issue with BSG saying you will get all DLC once the game is released is that once the game is released BSG will 100% wipe there hands of Tarkov within a year that's if we're lucky..

I bought the unheard addition and im really enjoying it however im not happy that they are going people a 50% discount on the upgrade but i get a free key that i cant use

PvE coop is both a major addition to the game as well as a new functionality...

It's ironic that if the initial post had been even this transparent and "giving" they likely could have avoided all of this. "Hey guys we have a new PVE mode, to honor our EOD purchasers you are going to get it for free on full release. It's really expensive to run and we expect it to take some time to flesh out the experience so if you want to be an early adopter you can do that by purchasing the new edition". Done deal.

I own eod and I wasn’t upset about the extra package honestly .. what does bother me is the way they responded to the whole situation. I also got the new package thinking it was only more items to start with not any pay to win aspects but I’m lucky at this point in time where hundred bucks extra for a game I’ve enjoyed for 3 years is whatever. Does suck that I payed an extra 50 bucks tho lol that also feels bad but that’s what I get for getting new edition on impulse without doing any research

it really doesn't matter if they started moving towards the right direction , they already pissed 95% of the playerbase and once you lads went rampant about not buying this only then they change their stance? NAH that aint right

Axel literally explaining how SPT works

So lets get this straight they do Arena which bombed and nobody wanted. Then you drop a PVE mode locked up a $250 price tag or $100 for EOD owners and then you don't even have the server space for the PVE mode? at that point, why did they even drop it did they just get whacked in the head too many times, that's just out right stupidity lmao.

if it is downloade content (which it is) then it is dlc

Still nearly 90bucks Australian for the upgrade from eod lmao

They don’t have the resources to give all EOD players the PvE mode, yet they just did for six months…….. funny that.

Heres the thing this would likely all be enough in my opinion IF and its a big IF they remove the P2W items from the edition entirely. And simply add them to the base game to be found in raid, crafted in the hideout, sold on flea etc. AND all cases and extra money is removed. I dont care about additional gear beacause at least you have to risk those items in raid to use them, swap these with more gear and a custom PMC model or something. I would say how silly it is to be giving an edition of the game much below the one the players bought as compensation for buying before the discount, as clearly they already own the game what are they going to do with another copy but honestly anyone who bought it straight up deserves to get shafted. Heres another question, the additional changes announced for EOD users, do you still get them if you upgrade from EOD to TUE? How does that work..

The problem was EOD limited Edition was 7 years to buy. 80% of the playerbase have today EOD. This is not limited Edition and earns not more money for BSG on long term.