Building a MASSIVE Built-in Armoire/Wardrobe

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Building a MASSIVE Built-in Armoire/Wardrobe

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Жыл бұрын

Building a built-in armoire/wardrobe closet.
Full build plans - www.johnbuildsit.com/plans/p/...
Check out all my other plans! - www.johnbuildsit.com/plans
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@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Full build plans - www.johnbuildsit.com/plans/p/builtinarmoirewardrobe Check out all my other plans - www.johnbuildsit.com/plans Thanks for the support!

@waynemiller6070 Жыл бұрын

John, I could not be more impressed. Very nice work. The kind of work I expect out of myself before I start. Not exactly what I end up with when I'm done most of the time though. Lol

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Haha I appreciate it! And always a good thing to have high expectations

@joeyleerobbins 2 ай бұрын

This is an awesome build! Just beautiful! Hello from Tennessee!

@JohnBuildsIt Ай бұрын

Thank you!!

@matthewmills6452 Жыл бұрын

Great video as always John! I'd love a video detailing the process you employ for the paint booth. I've already got zip walls from past remodel projects, but I'm sure you've got a system down pat that is quick to setup and maintain a clean shop.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks man! I actually have another idea for quick booth setup. Just need to find time to do it and I’ll make a video 👍🏽

@thorshuatus 5 ай бұрын

I would've watched your 3 hr build video! 😂 Great work as always.

@JohnBuildsIt 5 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

@Rejectingmodernity01 Жыл бұрын

john ...man, the longer your videos are they more enjoyable they are to watch,your one hell of a craftsman

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I appreciate that!

@j10001 9 ай бұрын

Wow, you’re very good. All the details done so expertly!

@JohnBuildsIt 9 ай бұрын

Thank you!!

@fitmomma1966 2 ай бұрын

Love this but would have loved a video further back at the end to see the whole thing at once

@raulsoto2088 Жыл бұрын

Increíble trabajo, me encanta... Gracias por compartir tus proyectos, un abrazo desde Chile 🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@georgevoisin5414 Жыл бұрын

Excellent job as always. Thanks for the video!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks!!

@lmcsquaredgreendale3223 Жыл бұрын

I had a plan as to what cabinets I would add to my library/office but after watching your video I have decided to make many changes. Every cabinet maker out there suggests a toe kicks so I didn't give it that much thought but your build without toe kicks looks so much better and will allow me to add baseboard molding, after I make it, to the bottom of the cabinet so it matches the rest of the room. Adding the crown and in my case the baseboard molding before redoing the molding in that room will also make it a lot easier when I replace the crown molding and reattach the rest of the baseboard molding I need to remove so the cabinet looks like it belongs in the room is a smart idea. It will also make finishing the room so much easier as construction fatigue sets in. Altogether it is a beautiful cabinet. I own a house built in 1893-96 and the closets are oddly sized to say the least. I know how frustrating it is to dig into an over stuffed closet and having to add additional lighting just to easily find a particular outfit. I realize that I will have to add a few inches at the bottom to allow for the baseboard molding but that is a minor issue. I am saving this video to watch again before I redo my plans. Great build!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Glad you were able to take some ideas for your own products, love to hear that! Enjoy the build!

@profuse007 Жыл бұрын

inset drawer face is always a big win in my book.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

🙌🏼🙌🏼

@mcaruso44 Жыл бұрын

That’s beautiful, nicely done as always!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks I appreciate it🙌🏼

@indianadavejones Жыл бұрын

Great build. Got some good ideas for mine. Thank you!!

@Danman1972 Жыл бұрын

Nice work. We have a walk-in closet in our 60s home as well as a wall with two closets with sliding doors. It takes up a whole wall. I wanted fit out the walk-in with built ins as well as remove the doors and wall between them closets. Then make a large insert with a spot for a TV like you did. With drawer storage and make some full cabinets for full length and half link along with maybe some shoe storage. Would just make it a bit for functional.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Definitely sounds more functional!!

@kathyphetteplace6053 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful work as always!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@dansarfert3585 Жыл бұрын

Excellent build John!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dan!

@DocJasper Жыл бұрын

Great build and video as usual, John! Always impressed with your designs and attention to detail.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike I appreciate it!

@electricalron Жыл бұрын

Obsessed with Milwaukee! Just like I am! I'm jealous of that track saw but only because I haven't bought mine yet. Thanks for the cabinet building tips!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

It’s been an awesome saw man!

@dylans2669 Жыл бұрын

Nice work. Your wife is a lucky woman.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks! 🙌🏼

@stephenbozzone1116 Жыл бұрын

Wow, that is some great work. Very impressive.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@vincentramos7679 Жыл бұрын

I normally skip to the end results with most videos, but I always watch the whole video when it comes to your builds. Nicely done, yet again! I'll be waiting for the next one!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Haha I appreciate that man!

@jimrosson6702 Жыл бұрын

Turned out amazing looks beautiful

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks Jim!

@dillydawg7594 Жыл бұрын

Awesome work and very great detail!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@IkalVans Жыл бұрын

One of the best builders on KZfaq! Thank you so much for sharing this, very impressed 😃

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@jeremyhuggins8796 Жыл бұрын

Wow! That looks amazing! My wife has been asking for something like this, and you just made me a hero.😂 Thanks for making these videos. Also, I would like to see an in depth video of the scribe process. Thanks again.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Haha awesome man, get to building!

@jfinaz99 Жыл бұрын

I enjoy watching your videos also; duration is no problem. Very nice work, indeed, and a pleasure watching you assemble/work and fit, and the dialog is excellent as well. I like it all and enjoy learning from the pros. Thanks for sharing.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks me for the feedback I appreciate it!

@danielrybin2006 Жыл бұрын

This is amazing!! Super clean and timeless design

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Glad you like it!

@anthonycaldi7056 Жыл бұрын

Well done! Love the Shaker style gives it a nice clean look. Great job!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks man!!

@1BadRAMLimited Жыл бұрын

That looks amazing!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

@q011519 Жыл бұрын

Great work, man!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot!

@mikesparks3398 Жыл бұрын

Looks like great work!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@henrymostert2125 Жыл бұрын

Nice work I'm a professional cabinetmaker and it's good to see somebody doing quality product. Well done

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

I appreciate it!

@joshuaflynn9153 Жыл бұрын

I have a built-in project coming up. This gave me some great ideas! Thanks!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks for watching!

@drjrjules1 Жыл бұрын

That looks spectacular! Nice work! I love how you didn't paint the inside of the cabinets white.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I prefer it this way too

@Conradlovesjoy Жыл бұрын

I was just telling my wife I wanted to build something like this in the bedroom a few weeks ago! Nice work.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks man! Do it!!

@DHall-qv7em Жыл бұрын

Great work!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@debandmike3380 Жыл бұрын

of all the impressive things you did the one thing that caught my attention was that little milwaukee wall vacuum to catch the drywall dust. never seen that before, i always used blue tape to create a ledge.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Works great for stuff like that!

@kellyscott5611 Жыл бұрын

Wow, that’s so nice!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@daryldavirro4237 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful build

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@flyboy61b Жыл бұрын

Another great, and well described, project. Thanks, John.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@kylec2586 Жыл бұрын

Clean, accurate and executed flawlessly

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

@johncasper3536 Жыл бұрын

Happy wife… Happy life

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Yes sir!

@TheManlyHand Жыл бұрын

Happy man…happ- no one cares 😢

@shawnbutler2423 Жыл бұрын

Happy spouse..happy house

@2979paul Жыл бұрын

Very nice work Sir!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

🙌🏼🙌🏼

@Flightless_Mike Жыл бұрын

Really nice job! Your finish came out super nice as well, would love to see a more indepth video of your process.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Will do!

@alanmontgomery5089 Жыл бұрын

@@JohnBuildsIt Agree with the request for more info. I'm curious what your process is for paint selection, thinning methods, and if any top coats (poly) go over the paint.

@nikkihopson5362 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely beautiful! Nice work as always 😊

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@danbeyer67 Жыл бұрын

Great job as always. Keep up the great work!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙌🏼

@alexanderforrester6541 Жыл бұрын

Looks good!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks man!

@tyapka Жыл бұрын

Nothing wrong with spoiling your wife. This is just beautiful.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@tongyong007 Жыл бұрын

Great build. Professionally done👍

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

@drakesorensen8881 Жыл бұрын

I would like the detail oriented videos

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Definitely thinking I’ll get into those videos more, thanks!

@flamabl1 Жыл бұрын

Clear, concise, straightforward, excellent video and voiceover information. Got my subscription. Would definitely love more in depth on the details. I always put off my projects until I am sure I can finish it professionally. So those details help a lot. Well done sir.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Really I probably could’ve made 5 or more in depth videos all from this one project haha, I’ll give it a try!

@DGALVIN45 Жыл бұрын

Clean brother 💯

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

🙌🏼🙌🏼

@johnsmith-fz3qk Жыл бұрын

Outstanding

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@tomsdreamshopworx Жыл бұрын

Great job, looks great! Couldn’t tell in the video, but it didn’t look like you glued the MDF door panels in place. Any particular reason, why not, I always do. There’s no wood movement to worry about. To me, it makes the door feel more solid.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

I glue them in place afterwards with ca glue. I like to make sure the reveals on the inside are even all around and then squirt some tabs of glue down in the groove to hold ‘em

@shannonkizer8156 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Great build also.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@JWick-ry7wf Жыл бұрын

As always nice work and good videos

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks again!

@aaudain1 Жыл бұрын

Great idea 💡 👍 👏

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@EricFroehlich Жыл бұрын

Great build. Not sure if everyone watching can appreciate your above level skill, competency and efficiency. I have worked at a number of cabinet shops and construction companies so hopefully my praise has some value. I do think there is a penchant for woodworkers to miss not being privy of the need to work on not sounding monotonous. We need to learn to adjust pitch and intonation for emphasis, and color when explaining and describing processes..

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was just saying that. Have to remember the mundane, basic tasks for some of us, may not be for a lot of viewers. Tough line to walk making videos for sure

@donpigg1875 Жыл бұрын

Great video on the wardrobe build. What is the name of the rip fence? I didn’t see it in the description list. Thanks!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

The jessem stock guides? They’re linked in the description 👍🏽

@tr0llhunter101 Жыл бұрын

Birch Peel and Stick Edge Banding, speed up the process if you don't want to use the iron, I prefer using Peel and Stick Edge Banding over the other one, good video 👍

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

I’ve yet to try that. Not trusting that it’ll last haha you’ve found it holds up good though?

@tr0llhunter101 Жыл бұрын

@@JohnBuildsIt that is what I use I've been using for 2 years now quicker than the one you use but I will never use any other brand if is not 3M twice expensive as iron tape though

@lnazworth Жыл бұрын

Very nice!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@taylorhopson9740 Жыл бұрын

I love it!!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

🙌🏼🙌🏼

@tomm8188 Жыл бұрын

John... as alway, great video, great product... truly enjoyable and inspiring. Keep it up! Quick question, what are those spacers you’re using for the drawer faces and where can I get them?

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

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@tomm8188 Жыл бұрын

@@JohnBuildsIt thank you

@benjaminu12 Жыл бұрын

Job well done as always, John! What topcoat finish do you use? I know you mentioned the primer, but not the topcoat. It's a beautiful finish!!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

This is sherwin Williams emerald urethane to match the existing trim and doors

@jsoliman85 Жыл бұрын

Great video ahead of a built-in I have coming up! Question - what type of paint / finish did you use as a topcoat? I always struggle with what's best for a built-in like this.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

This is sherwin Williams emerald, to match the existing trim and doors

@scotter_dotter Жыл бұрын

Looks great!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@dweb6916 Жыл бұрын

You are a master craftsman!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Haha far from it, but thank you!!

@tsaltyginger Жыл бұрын

Great build! Simple design but incredible overall project. What do you usually use as your top coat when using BIN shellac primer?

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

I’ve been using target coatings water based lacquer a lot, but this is sherwin Williams emerald to match the existing trim/doors

@KITDFOHS Жыл бұрын

Built-ins look great! What's that drywall dust catching attachment you used when cutting the gang box for wiring? Looks way faster and more effective than my blue painters tape trick. Did anyone else's eye twitch when he said, "need scribed/caulked." It's like hearing/seeing "for sell"

@brianbraynen4178 Жыл бұрын

I love your channel it helps me so much in my wood working,thank you so much for the expertise. I have a question,on your kreg conceal hinge jig do you use the 3mm settling for all your hinges??

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

No some hinges are different. Always just want to read the instructions that come with the hinges to be sure

@williammoore4101 Жыл бұрын

Hey John, good stuff per usual. Quick question though: I have that same larger Rigid shop vac. What is that intermediate stack between the top and body? I'm assuming it's some sort of cyclonic apparatus, I just have never seen or heard of one like that before.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

It’s an idea Dustopper was working on. They have a video about it on their channel I believe! But yea it’s basically a built in separator

@mainerdiy8399 Жыл бұрын

Great build John. Do you find you can get very straight cuts off the track saw by moving the track for longer cuts. I just picked up the makita track saw and was holding off buying a second track for fear of alignment issues.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

In this case with scribing, it wasn’t a straight cut I was trying to do haha wavy wall. To join 2 tracks you’ll most likely have to trim the ends to square them up, none of mine have come perfectly square

@biglav6048 8 ай бұрын

Great project! What was your paint of choice?

@JohnBuildsIt 8 ай бұрын

Sherwin williams Emerald

@tbarg86 Жыл бұрын

Beautiful my man

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks! 🙌🏼

@steve_main Жыл бұрын

All that work and you didn't spend the $2 on a décor plug.. where is that unsubscribe button??? :) great job man!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Haha I don’t what you’re talking about, I don’t see anything behind the tv! Thanks man!

@esterndesign Жыл бұрын

Awesome job as usual! Love the build process and your builds always feel approachable. Quick question, do you only have the 55” track for the Milwaukee track saw? I was looking to buy the saw as well but not sure about dropping the crazy amount of money on the larger track as well as getting a 55”. Thanks again and keep up the great content.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

No I ordered the 106” too. I’d just start with the 55” and get a feel for what you want and works for you. For my makita I just have 2 of the 55” that I join together for long rips

@esterndesign Жыл бұрын

@@JohnBuildsIt thanks for your reply. Was just curious since I saw you cut a long rip by moving the smaller length one (from what I could tell at least). I have heard mixed reviews on joining the two 55” tracks together vs a 106” long one. Things to think about. At least starting with a 55” one. Thanks.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

@@esterndesign the long tracks getting damaged in shipping is a big problem, but I will say my Milwaukee arrived safe and is dead on straight. On joining 55” tracks, I don’t know why, but every track I’ve seen, the ends don’t come perfectly square. So they do usually need trimmed then they can be joined with no issues. Oh and on that cut where I was moving the track, that wasn’t one long straight cut haha wavy wall! Thanks for watching man!

@esterndesign Жыл бұрын

@@JohnBuildsIt ah that makes sense. Do you trim the 55” on the miter saw? Thank you

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

@@esterndesign yep!

@hafifsiddiq348 Жыл бұрын

very cool!!!

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

🙌🏼

@tomatha3713 Жыл бұрын

Very nice looking! How many hours did you have in this build?

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

I have no clue haha, with filming 3x as many as normal

@singhA1968 Жыл бұрын

excellent

@alabamamotionpictureproduc6626 Жыл бұрын

John, how can you handle that Kreg K5 jig? I had that thing a few months before the pawls (I think the system is fully plastic?) on the clamp completely failed. I ended up getting a K4 and has been reliable since.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Not sure haha have had mine for several years and no issues🤷🏻‍♂️

@melodywunschel3064 Жыл бұрын

Nice love it

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@thomascristaldi9303 Жыл бұрын

What are those crown molding clamps?

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Collins miter clamps. They’re linked in the video description 👍🏽

@timothydalton90 Жыл бұрын

Very nice! Do you let the inside just how it is or is there some kind of clear finish on it?

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

No these are left unfinished

@tbohtwentyone Жыл бұрын

Impressive.

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!

@tfrogginhfroggin Жыл бұрын

Very nice

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

Thanks!!

@VanWelij Жыл бұрын

I bought that edge band trimmer at Menards and I absolutely hate using it. The blades keep shifting on me even if the bolt is tightened properly and I just don't feel like it offers me the level of control I want. I thought I've seen you use a different trimmer in the past. Am I mistaken?

@JohnBuildsIt Жыл бұрын

You have this yellow one I’m using here? Man this is the only one I’ve found that actually works good for me! I’ve tried probably 4 different ones of the 2 sided style, nothing but frustration. Before I found this I was just using a plain razor blade

@VanWelij Жыл бұрын

@@JohnBuildsIt Yes, I do. When it works for me, it leaves a great finish, but when it doesn't I just get frustrated. The latter happens about 75% of the time. The blades on mine keep "unseating" themselves as if the plastic separates just a hair too much. I have to re-seat them and tighten it back up. I might try a more rigid backer plate, if you will, to alleviate that. Maybe mine's a lemon. I'm a bit skeptical of the two-sided ones because I'm afraid of a tear-out on one side depending on the grain direction. I'll keep tinkering with it. It doesn't help that I hate applying edge banding!