BUILDING A SMALL BLOCK CHEVY - SPUN BEARING?? Clearance and Tolerances and why they are IMPORTANT!

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Gold's Garage

Gold's Garage

Ай бұрын

In this video I discuss bearing clearance and tolerances, the differences in manufacturing process and a custom build, and why they are important.

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@user-iq2vn7zv7g
@user-iq2vn7zv7g Ай бұрын
Nice presentation! Thank you!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
And thank you for watching and commenting. AG
@robertwest3093
@robertwest3093 Ай бұрын
AG I’m glad that you’re bringing attention to the most important part of the engine build. Bearing clearances are one of the “make it or break it” aspects in engine building. That and getting the block and all parts that go in it as clean as humanly possible!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks Robert, another detail that i wanted to cover. AG
@StuartBlake-iz6rf
@StuartBlake-iz6rf Ай бұрын
Good job Alan. Nice presentation. Definitely useful. I didn't continue down my early mechanic apprenticeship path. Your channel really inspires me and makes me wonder what if. There is always a tidbit of new information that you release. I really appreciate you and your crew's efforts. Keep em rolling.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Your comments are very encouraging. Thanks so much.AG
@gregleenyit
@gregleenyit Ай бұрын
Very well done Alan Excellent!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks you very much Greg. AG
@phildo39645
@phildo39645 Ай бұрын
Good stuff Alan
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks Phil.AG
@488ci
@488ci Ай бұрын
Back in the early 80s my highschool mechanics teacher was telling the class that the oil off of our fingers would cause a premature bearing wear. I never did become a mechanic but I sure did spin lots of small block Chevy bearings. Over revving stuck in the mud. I would buy bearings from Canadian Tire and change them out with the motor still in the truck.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks 488, that is very interesting. I remember hearing of guys changing bearings without removing the engine. AG
@stevenbelue5496
@stevenbelue5496 Ай бұрын
Idk, seems like all my engines would be knocking by now if that was the case
@pauljanssen7594
@pauljanssen7594 Ай бұрын
It's not the oil it the acid on your hand 👌
@stevenbelue5496
@stevenbelue5496 Ай бұрын
@@pauljanssen7594 maybe if you handled a bearing and just let it sit the acid would deteriate it , but with oil being feed at high pressure i feel like it would wash the bearing and it would be diluted into the oil. Just my guess i couldnt say really but when you race shit breaks all the time and ive never seen any evidence to support premature wearing theory.
@stevesadusky8634
@stevesadusky8634 Ай бұрын
Love your videos AG, very informative 👍
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks, I always enjoy your comments AG
@yarrdayarrdayarrda
@yarrdayarrdayarrda Ай бұрын
If you inspect the back side of original factory bearings, you'll occasionally come across ones that are marked .0006 U/S, presumably to deal with bottom spec crank journals. It was quite common for us when rebuilding a stock 350 with a factory cast crank to just polish and use .001" U/S bearings as they typically measured bottom size or very close to.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks Yarrda, always good information from your experience. AG
@JimmyMakingitwork
@JimmyMakingitwork Ай бұрын
I spun a main on a "balanced and blueprinted" big block I built, that was an expensive lesson. I did not check the machine shops measurements since they had done ALL the machining and balancing. They claimed it was my assembly, but it's the only time it's ever happened. I assumed.
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259
@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 Ай бұрын
This is why I pay the machine shop to deliver a long block.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks Jimmy, even professionals can make mistakes, that is why we always check every dimension. AG
@billlittle4285
@billlittle4285 Ай бұрын
I believe the factory used air gauges on the crank, very fast to do to get size, Callie's use this on theirs cranks and rods, I saw this on a tour a few years ago, can even use air gauges on bore sizing, good video, always check the back of the bearings on a factory block, if upper and lower are different size, you will have to align hone the bore,I haven't seen this on rods only on mains,on a race engine all the bearing clearance should be the same front to back to even the load, if more clearance on 5,4 will take the load, good video, gets me thinking!!
@darrylmcphee8265
@darrylmcphee8265 Ай бұрын
We used air gauges in the Timken bearing factory I worked at in places too. Very fast and seemed to be very accurate when calibrated.
@ejgrant5191
@ejgrant5191 Ай бұрын
Your correct....He dosen't give GM enough credit. Also these days the true HP motors are assembled in a secial GM Performance Technology Center each HP GM motor like the C6 Z06 & ZR1 motors was hand assembled by a single worker and there is a strict regimine of quality checks. Not true back in the days of the Gen1 Small Blocks & MKIV BBC but, they still measured the sub assemblies and carefully selected parts for the HP motors. Oldsmobile had many "select fitted" HP motors in the 1960's....The W-30 and W-31 Oldsmobile motors were select fitted to loose tolerances when they were assembled. There were CnC operated machines going back to the late 1950's in Detroit using a perforated paper tape run on reels that later became magnetic tape then computer programs.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for contributing Bill, always learn something form you. AG
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing Darryl, good information.AG
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thank you EJ. That is a lot of good information. I appreciate your input. AG
@robertellison4691
@robertellison4691 Ай бұрын
Great info!!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks Robert. AG
@WilliamJenkins-tx5jr
@WilliamJenkins-tx5jr Ай бұрын
New aluminum blocks also expand more when they get hot. So the clearances on aluminum and iron are different too
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks William. good point, I have no experience with aluminum blocks. AG
@____MC____
@____MC____ Ай бұрын
Had a shop assemble a short block 355 and had one bearing full copper and the rest 10-50% copper showing. Had 60 psi oil pressure and about 40 warmed up. Second time the same crank and block crank wiped bearings. Both assembled short blocks two different shops.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. Oil pressure is not necessarily an indicator of proper bearing clearances. AG
@____MC____
@____MC____ Ай бұрын
@goldsgarage8236 nope. But it does mean it wasnt for a lack of oil.
@lessharratt8719
@lessharratt8719 Ай бұрын
Yes that is helpful. I ran into the same thing with a LT1 right back from the machine shop. 1 rod bearing gave way to much drag on rotation as I was assembling it. I caught it and it was resolved. It could have been a nightmare though.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your experience Less. AG
@Thumper68
@Thumper68 Ай бұрын
This is also another advantage of using a lightweight crankshaft it’s easier on bearings. The engine I’m building is getting a 43 pound crankshaft instead of the stock 54 pound one. Plus the free horsepower gained and quicker revs from not spinning all that extra weight.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Good point, lighter is always better in anything that rotates and accelerates. AG
@dirtlump
@dirtlump Ай бұрын
Always... always... always... when regrinding any Crankshaft.... even stock stuff for even modest HP applications.... target "lowside" or small sizing of the journal tolerance, to allow yourself "ROOM" ..... so that when ReSizing the Connecting Rods or Line Honing the Mains to can "set" the Vertical Oil Clearance where you want it for the target application. (Think the 'Tonawanda' hp engine plant) Then all you have to do when Line Honing/Rid ReSizing is stop prior to the Bore tolerance and "checK' with your dial bore gauge prior to final sizing so you know 'where' you are clearance-wise..... and having already put the "room" for Oil clearance ON THE CRANK... you can then final size Rods/Mains and provide good Bearing Crush as well ! Example: If you want tighter closer to .002" Rod Brg Clearance ? after stopping/checking... you can merely final size the Rod right at 2.2247" or even a coupla 10ths under for good crush if you want more Rod Brg clrc ? say to .0025" ? after stopping/checking.... then you can continue final sizing the Rod Big End closer to 2.2252" which is the high end of tolerance but still good crush. NEVER take a Rod Big End higher/above/looser above tolerance. Again here: think 'Tonawanda' plant wherer ALL Crank were ground 'lowside' for this reason ! I don't let anyone "Machine" a 500 hp resto deal nor an 970 hp N/A SS Drag Engine I'm assembling.... unless they are under my direct supervision? or I'm doing it myself ! And that's why most HotRod Callies/Billet Cranks are/were supplied .0005" BELOW tolerance for the aforementioned reasons.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your deep knowledge and experience Dirt. All good info. AG
@Comet-hn3gm
@Comet-hn3gm Ай бұрын
I ordered some Mahle/Clevite .001 under the other day in the A series it took 3 warehouses to get a full set. The first 5 that come together were marked correct on the bearings but when I put the ball Mic on them they were standard size. Then 2 others come in and then the final set. They were marked correct and measured correctly. 3 years manufacture dates and of course 3 lot numbers. I sent them all back and said I want all the same lot numbers. I also ordered 2 other sets from other vendors. 🤔🙄🤕🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️ I have been at this long enough to remember feathered shims. Also removing shims to correct clearance. 😁😎
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience Comet. AG
@stevenbelue5496
@stevenbelue5496 Ай бұрын
We went through a camry engine back in the late 90s and while its been to long for me to remember I think they had specific numbers for bores and bearings where they graded them. Maybe they used air gauges or something that resulted in tighter tolerances as i remember the toyota guy that ran our route said toyota got their tolerances down to a specific micron size, which was odd for me hearing microns when dealing with clearances.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Also great info, thanks Steven. AG
@mrho4speed
@mrho4speed Ай бұрын
Thank you for another great show!! Would this level of detail be described as blueprinting an engine??
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks 4speed. Absolutely, this is one of the most important parts of the blueprinting process. AG
@quietcool4884
@quietcool4884 Ай бұрын
I believe the letters stamped along the pan rail denoted which standard/oversized/undersized bearings to use for the rods on the assembly line..
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Very interesting, I did not know that. Thanks for contributing to my channel. AG
@pauljanssen7594
@pauljanssen7594 Ай бұрын
Is machinist I built so many small block Chevys I have lost count. Never had no problems. I did catch a set of timing gears that I almost put on, that were marked one turn off gear was still good I just remarked it.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for the info Paul.AG
@UncleVom
@UncleVom Ай бұрын
I've been messing with a couple of relatively modern motorcycle engines lately and in production they use selective assembly with part clearances worked out on the fly by picking between bins, cranks are numbered or lettered and rods the same, bearings are color coded. A mix of humans and robots. It all goes together and lasts a very long time as long as maintenance schedules are followed. It is not unusual for motorcycle engines to easily exceed 100,000 miles with nothing, but fluids and valve clearances set, quite a change from my youth.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks you for sharing this information Vom, very interesting. AG
@umakemerandy3669
@umakemerandy3669 Ай бұрын
Yup! Just built a smallblock chev and spun 3 mains. Oil pump pickup fell off! Not clearances issue here.
@robertwest3093
@robertwest3093 Ай бұрын
Been a lot of oil pump pickup tubes breaking off on KZfaq. One of the most heartbreaking ones I’ve seen is the guy that built a 409 stroker 351C with Darin Morgan ported heads. The harmonics in the engine made the oil pump pickup tube, that was welded on, snap off and trashed one expensive and sweet running engine. It was in a beautiful Cougar.
@umakemerandy3669
@umakemerandy3669 Ай бұрын
@@robertwest3093 i will never NOT tac weld the tube on once in but it seemed impossible that it could come out the way its a ~5 inch tube 180⁰ bent and held into the pump by 2 bolts! The 2 mount standoffs actually broke between the pump and tube somehow, not on any bend, just very odd. Summit #SUM-G36030 looks like what I had.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks for all the info guys.AG
@billfioretti3013
@billfioretti3013 Ай бұрын
@@robertwest3093 DragBoss. Rockin' Cougar! Good people.
@alleyoop1234
@alleyoop1234 Ай бұрын
Pretty sure I read decades ago, that the Tonowanda engine plant built the engines with closer tolerences.
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
Thanks Alleyoop, Tonawanda was #1 TEAM. i still have the decals. AG
@leonardfoster6252
@leonardfoster6252 Ай бұрын
You always check the machine shops clearance. They make mistakes too!
@goldsgarage8236
@goldsgarage8236 Ай бұрын
For sure Leonard. Thanks for the comment. AG
@andrewevans1658
@andrewevans1658 Ай бұрын
the information in this video is only partially correct! Your Canadian backyard engineering left out two other very important measurements that also affect bearing clearance!!!! The main bore diameter and the rod bore measurements also contribute to stacked bearing clearances or lack of clearance Both of those measurements can be manipulated within their tolerance range to adjust bearing clearance. They can only be manipulated by a machinist not a backyard hack like yourself!!!!
@stevewalters6853
@stevewalters6853 Ай бұрын
Where can I find your videos on engine building?
@billfioretti3013
@billfioretti3013 Ай бұрын
That's unnecessarily rude!
@andrewevans1658
@andrewevans1658 Ай бұрын
​@@stevewalters6853 rarely does a real professional waste time making videos!!!!
@andrewevans1658
@andrewevans1658 Ай бұрын
​@billfioretti3013 that is a direct response to his Canadian arrogance and his inability to ever get dirty!!!!
@stevewalters6853
@stevewalters6853 Ай бұрын
@@andrewevans1658 You ever thought about becoming a comedian? Maybe not but you’re funny as fuch. Chris Straub, Steve Morris to name just a couple heavyweights in the engine industry making videos. I think there’s more to the story about your beef here otherwise you shouldn’t give a rats arse who makes videos.
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