I built 24x A64 win98 machines 2 years ago after finding a ton of parts that suddenly became available for a "retro lan party" I did for my birthday... they worked great and everyone had a ton of fun... thanks for the videos phil

I still find computers of that era onthe streets more or less often, so this is a great way to re purpose them

I'm starting to feel nostalgia to that era of computing even though it feels like only yesterday.

I put back together an old Athlon XP 2000+ socket A machine only a couple of weeks ago. I had put away the parts including the hard drive years ago. Took a little bit of coaxing but got it running - back into Windows XP - last used in 2006 - old development machine - running Delphi 5 - was pretty nostalgic :) Next up is the 939 Shuttle XPC that replaced it!!

This actually makes a lot of sense to do, the earlier Athlon64s were actually not too far from the old Athlon XP in terms of internal design, AMD64 was the big addition and switching from the EV6 Bus to HTT along with moving the memory controller on-die was what gave it that extra performance. Given the Athlon XP was an optimised Athlon Thunderbird which was an optimised Athlon Classic, this is basically akin to running a very high end later era 98SE PC, except hot-rodded!

Awesome. Thanks so much for the video Phil. I absolutely loved it. Two Athlon vids, two weeks in a row. Happy days👍

It is often hard to tell if I already watched certain uploads. It never hurts to have a refresher view. The info is always timeless, and keeps inspiring to keep the dust of my classic equipment.

love when you do these retro builds, specifically the win 95 and win 98 builds. Thanks.

It was really great seeing how you handle those classic retro setup issues. It's always nice seeing your builds that don't just use all the hero components from the day. I think a successful build like this motivates people to do their own build without being put off by the difficulty or cost of those hero components

I would of loved a win98 pc this fast back in the day 🙂

Hi Phil, awesome content as usual. When I see these builds it reminds me of the days these machines were in their prime. Wish I had kept one instead of chucking them out in the council clean up years ago. I've learnt my lesson and keeping the older PCs I own. Oldest PC I have is a 2009 era pheom 2 955be. All my other older PCs are sandy, ivy bridge and haswel systems.

The timing of this video is awesome..today was the day i was going to test out a bunch of computer parts that date from "98 to "02...and now i know i can use win98 without any floppies...i was tearing my hair out tying to get win98 installed before with no floppys..so thank you for that info..i currently have a PNY Geforce 2 mx400 PCI card on Ebay but have been asked to "show proof"..that the card actually works..now i can with all the knowledge you have provided for a Win98 environment. Again excellent material Phil, love the video.

Great selection of parts and I remember some of these issues myself from years ago lol :) Great video.

Hey Phil, always look forward to your Friday videos. Have learned a lot from them about things I thought I knew everything about already. Thanks and keep the excellent videos coming! As someone else said, the sata controller needs to be set to RAID mode and windows will install and boot like a champ. I have about 4 different motherboards with the K8008M chipset and has worked for each one. Plus the VIA RAID drivers I believe don’t have the 128GB hard drive size limit. Although I haven’t filled a hard drive past 128GB to test, larger hard drives have worked just fine with no corruption evident. My best Win98 experiences have been with these VIA boards and are great performers! Again thanks for the great vids!

Yay new video barley waited in this quarantine, im excited

Great content as always, @Phil. Thank you!

4:00 Thank you for reminding me. i have Gigabyte motherboard and now i will try CTRL+F1 on bios startup

Liked it very much and am really looking forward to the DOS vid

This was a lot of fun, and good info on the various possible glitches. I have some of that era in my Closet... time to upgrade my old Win98 setup? :) Hey Phil, a few vids back you used a PCI sound card that works with DOS games -- very interested to see more about that, but I missed the brand/model and couldn't find the vid again. So hope that will be part of the DOS games vid... I gotta have my daily DOOM, and if my iBase ever dies, not having to scrape up a "modern" board with ISA slots would be nice. Thanks! The ISA sound card in my P4-3GHz that I use for DOOM is an SB16 that I bought new in 1994!! board is an iBase MB800 industrial mainboard that I got used in 2003. So it's a genuinely 'modern' retro system. :)

Hey Phil, glad to see more of these retro pc gaming setups 👍😍 I’ve recently got myself an AMD Athlon 64 x2 6400 cpu, mobs, ram & compatible power supply to build myself either a Windows 98SE or XP retro setup. Seeing your videos brings back good memories of my early computers, first being an Acer 486 Dx2 80mhz and playing original doom, UT and Warcraft to name a few games. What a great time it was and with all advances in technology they can’t replicate the good old days of pc gaming. Keep up the terrific work. Cheers 😁🇦🇺👍

Thank you Phil for your wonderful videos and insights. I will definitely try the ctl-f1 combo. Hope you and your family are doing well. 🙂

Ah yes, Classic Phil and Win 98 build. Love it!

I've always reused old computers as a server purpose on my home network, I had a Pentium IV 3.0 Ghz on a server until 2011 until I upgraded. Sadly I ended up gifting the older computers. I wish I still had them, I would be having almost as much fun as watching your videos. I miss my old Pentium II.

Nice! Love your alternative retro builds. :)

Nice one as always Phil. If I'm not mistaken the error-message in the device-manager when you had the primary ide-channel disabled relates to some sort of inconsistency in the BIOS. It seems like the channel isn't fully deactivated. I know this behaviour from other boards with a variety of chipsets when disabling an IDE-channel. Seems like windows' hardware-recognition is able to dig deeper than the BIOSes method of handling its resources.

Sweet spot of your channel Windows 98 another build. Watching immiediately

Great video thank you. It makes me want to dig out some old hardware and build a 98se test rig. That second graphics card cooler reninded me of the old Zalman video card coolers where they had the fins fan out like that except the Zalmans were more of a goldish or copper color infact I still have one laying around some where in a box as well as a couple Zalman cpu coolers.

The second I saw that motherboard I knew I had to run downstairs and check my retro tech shelf to see if I had the original box for it. Low and behold, I had the exact same Gigabyte K8 Triton series board back when I was in 9th grade, revision 2.0 as well. I had mine paired with an Athlon 64 3400+ Venice, an EVGA GeForce 6200 256MB video card, and Corsair XMS 512MB RAM. I never ran W98 on mine since XP was in its heyday at the time. Let me tell you though, I loved that machine. I still have the case I used too. I think the attitude about VIA chipsets has more to do with the overclocking potential rather than instability or low performance. I've always had rock solid experiences with VIA chipsets, but I've never had one that would overclock more than 200-300MHz. Great video as usual Phil. Cheers.

This is really cool, this week I started to build a retro system just for my son, I dug out a P4 2.4Ghz with a 4200Ti that I got a year ago when you did a video about them, also a VIA chipset motherboard!, I have a few of that I picked up from the street. I wasn't sure which way to go 98 or XP, DOS/98 it's more interesting I think, I'll see what my son wants to play. Cheers!.

Nice work Phil! I’ll have to pull out my old 754 board and give it a go now. 👍

Hey Phil. Possibly an idea for a future video. How do you organise and store your computers and parts? What's your method to work out what to keep, what to chuck? Whats your thoughts on keeping cases, drives etc. I realise this is all personal, but you seem to have a good system going... I've been sort of just grabbing what ever I can get my hands on for a few years now, but I really need to go through and sort it (so many 5200 graphics cards!). Love your videos and website. Keep up the good work.

Thanks for your content these really hard times. May it not be the end for many of us who are in danger of losing jobs never to get new ones, just about to lose everything, and may we, therefore, keep on watching your channel and all those little great things we could enjoy with no worries when life was normal and worth it, just mere months ago...

This is a fun video. I know I came upon this very late, but I have a very similar system so it was interesting to see.

nice build Phil. i build retro computers for people. It is just fun. Greetings from Steven from the Netherlands

Surprising difference between the 4200 and 4600. I wonder if the drivers were playing a part somehow? You explained that there were some initial issues with the 4200 and I'm remembering the marathon drivers testing video you did a while back, highlighting the difference the versions make... Thanks for another great video, anyhow. I've recently bought a 939Dual-Sata2 so am looking forward to some A64 Win98 and XP dual boot fun.

I always hear about the 512MB limit for win 98se but I have built 6 of them all with a 1GB stick and they work perfectly with no issues. Clint from LGR actually got win 98se running with 1.5GB but he had to add some lines of texts to the ini file to get running as it should. His installation was fine with a 1GB of ram though. Anyway great video. I may have to get one of those Turtle Beach cards for one of my 98 builds.

I also have a thing for VIA chipsets, especially those with an Universal AGP. They just work and are easily obtainable.

I have a Sempron 3000 on a 754 platform running my Win98SE system. It does indeed work well, with that AGP.

Love A64's, still have my old S754 A64 3000+ that used to be my main rig over 10 years ago, working perfectly with a VIA Chipset. VIA chipsets are not bad as long as you know their little quirks... My A64 machine have weird SATA II incompatibilities (had to jumper them back into SATA I mode) and I know my old VIA-based LGA775 C2D has weird compatibility issues with anything based on the GeForce 8800 core (like my GTS 250), but worked fine with my GTS 450.

I was going to comment about dos gaming till you mentioned it. Looking forward to the bonus video.

I've just bought a 1.6 GHz Sempron and an MSI board with this same VIA chipset for about $3! Sure, no Cool'n'Quiet but can't complain for that price. Your video couldn't have arrived with better timing. Thanks, Phil!

Nice video, as always. I'm impressed, as always!!!

I remember my DFI socket 754 mainboard. It was amazing. Clocked a cpu to 4 ghz+ using cold winter air.

Very good Phil your getting better not throwing your hands around i have one of those to i have xp on mine though still waving you hands a bit though !!!!!!!!!!!!!! love that new cpu fan to

Back in the day, setup guides had all sorts of exceptions regarding IDE and SATA bugs. It wasn't just VIA. The Pentium "Neptune" chipset had data corruption problems, for example. I think in practice you were stuck with PIO4 mode and couldn't take advantage of UDMA. Back when regular people compiled Linux kernels you had to make sure to check the relevant workarounds in the configuration.

Today I got (Actually I had it stored) a new motherboard for my Windows 98 machine, brand new, unused. Asus P4P800-E Deluxe, With a Pentium 4 HT 3.20ghz and 512mb of ram plus an SSD120gb, I install Win98 SE (I deactivated the hyperthreading just in case) it is a great motherboard. Some tools you have on your website were very useful to me, Nvidia drivers, Daemon Tools, and others. Thank you!

I have owned, or at least built and played with, every platform from the 386 onwards...except socket 754, I’m looking forward to it!

Hey Phil, this video is very similar to the one from January 2018! Still, great video, thank you very much!

Thanks, Phil, I like a lot your videos.

I have used the FIC K8M-800M 754 board with a Sempron 3300+ as a Windows XP platform since 2005. It is very similar with the VIA chipset, S3 graphics, AGP slot and two SATA ports. I did momentarily boot that system from a hard drive with Windows 98SE on it, but I never contemplated its utility as a 9x platform.

I know it's not your style Phil. But I'd be interested in seeing your Aladdin's cave of hardware. Great video as always. 👊

I have the Gainward Golden Sample GeForce 4 Ti 4200 that was paired with my AMD Ahtlon XP 1800 until I bought the Radeon 9700 Pro when I upgraded the system to a Barton core Athlon XP 2500. When I went the Athlon 64 route I was running the GeForce 6600 GT AGP and and nForce 3.

Woo Friday video! Coincidence? I just found a asus GeForce 4 4600 in an old drawer!

Thanks Phil for the pc porn I need every week. I am very excited about this all here. Definitely a retro pc I can get started on sooner than later.

This was fun to watch. It reminds me what a pain it was to set up clone machines in the 90's and early 2000's. Edit: I've been pondering building a DOS machine for gaming. Looking at Pentium II's as we speak.

You have a lot to answer for Phil. I have a dual slot 1 rig that i have owned and built from new and have always enjoyed messing around with (it did have to work for a living for a very long time, Gateway server) and it's now basically a pet. Dual 600's, Geforce 2 GTS, Globalwin 802 case, maxxed ram, Highpoint Raid card, more storage than it will ever need and Windows 2k Pro, oh and a Yamaha sound card, you may want to try one of these. However, I now find myself , as a result of watching YOUR channel, with a P2 450 SLI Voodoo 2 setup, an AMD 6000+ running crossfire 3870's , and a Q6600 running at about 3.5 or so (varies depending on my patience) with either crossfire 4870's (superb cards and damn reliable) , or, crossfire 5970's (these require a small nuclear power station in place of the psu). More to the point I also have a third 5970 waiting for a suitable mobo ( and a slightly larger power station) to run triple crossfire. Keep up the good work.

I have an eMachines with a 754 motherboard in it and I turned it into an XP machine but I wasn't trying to run Crysis on it just old games I had on CD. I put a Athlon 64 3400+ in with two gigs of RAM mine has a pcie slots so I was able to put a 650 TI and make it work. So far it's running the games I want to play pretty well but I haven't tested everything. I also got XP running on a SATA drive but I have several games they're definitely Windows 95 Windows 98 era and I may want to think about building something like this. This video has certainly given me some ideas though thank you for making it.

I recently built an Athlon 64 socket 939 Win98 retro gaming pc, using the A8V-MX motherboard (similar to the A8V-Deluxe that you showed us in a previous video). I was able to use a SATA II hard drive NATIVELY under 98, by installing the SATA II RAID drivers in win98 on an ide drive, and then I simply cloned the partition. This way the os is way more snappy, and the transfer speed for smaller file copies is significantly better.

I did a 754 build about a year ago using a slightly newer MSI MS-7145 motherboard. It has an ATI RS480 chipset w/SB400 southbridge. Lots of compatibility issues with Windows 98 (neither onboard video nor sound worked and I had the same issues as you with the SATA ports), but after using strictly IDE and installing a PCI sound card (ALS4000) and PCI-E video card (FireGL V5000 hard-modded into a Radeon x700), I managed to get rid of all exclamation points in the device manager. Used the same Sempron 3100+ CPU and also a 32 GB IDE SSD. Was interesting to see your attempt at a similar build.

Always love a good Athlon64 build, but this is not what i was expecting when you mentioned Hold My Beer ;). I expected the system hangs to be SATA or resource conflict related and from the looks of it its indeed the sata controller. It might be interesting to try the RLoew SATA patch that patches an issue with Windows 98 that causes it to recognise some SATA controllers as PATA and see if that fixes the issue for you. For the time machine idea it would still be interesting to see a follow up to this, possibly with your higher spec'd Athlon64 build from last week. Because i am still super curious to see what the highest end build is you can make with the components you have in your collection that still retails full MS-Dos and Windows 98 compatibility covering the widest range of games you could possibly manage on real hardware. Because to me even if it can't run games from modern times it would still be fun to see a single system run Wing Commander all the way up to early Windows XP (Half-Life 2) or even Windows 7. Its a bit of general feedback for your channel as well, you often do specific builds such as a XP gaming machine, or a Windows 98 gaming machine. But it would be useful to know how well it would be able to do the things you did not design it for but others may be interested in. Showcasing MS-Dos compatibility or XP compatibility similar to how you handle your Thinclient video's. So in this case i am looking forward to the bonus video. But having it as a short segment in your regular video's could be very helpful.

I'm building one of these systems. I went with an AM2 board which has an AGP x8 slot, paired with an Athlon 64 1660-LE. Having the same issue you had with Windows setup during hardware detection. Very annoying, but I'm determined to fix it. 💯 Also, it'd be very interesting to see *you* do a 98SE build on AM2, and explore stuff like Cool 'n' Quiet support and how it affects gaming, if you can find a board that has APG. ;-)

Nice video!!! I use a similar setup for Windows 98 with a GA-K8VT800 an Athlon 3000+, and geforce 5500. I always had the exact same problem with the SATA controller. Lots of freezes, instability and slow performance. Also it doesn't work with sata II drives at all. I ended up using a cheap SATA-->IDE converter with absolutely no problems at all. Great performance and stability overall when not using the sata ports.

I remember upgrading from 754 to 939 and getting that dual channel RAM goodness! 🤘

nice video yet again. i hv a similar setup ad well for win98, but with socket 939 A64 4000, Asus A8V-X with via K8T800 chipset and ti 4200 8x. I also swear by the older drivers 45.23. i swap in a 6800gs if i need more performance but that card only works with modified 81.98 drivers.

Been waiting for this

I love this amd athlon 64 windows 98..... Stay safe Phil

I have had similar issues with the VIA chipset SATA controllers for socket 754/939. I had to use a PCI SATA card to work around the problem. Aside from that the systems work great!

I have fond memories of the "space" screensaver with the astronaut floating.

Nice vid Phil, maybe bios flash the Ti4200 with a non-oem one?

Thanks for another GREAT video. o/

And here I was just reading an article online about which hardware Win 9x is compatible with. xD Perfect timing!

Hey Phil, thanks for the interesting video. Can you please include Cinebench 2003 for your Win98 CPU benchs?

A nice thing about this motherboard is that the integrated VIA VT8237 SATA controller actually has really good drivers for Windows 98. To use it you should enable RAID option in BIOS. Win 98 will freeze at the first restart, at that point you apply R. Loew SATA patch, and it's done. Just continue installation normally. By doing this you also get rid of the 120Gb limitation.

Rage Incoming was my jam when we got our first PC, tho it didn't play anywhere near that 30 fps cap, lol, probably more like 10 fps. RIP Compaq.

Hey Phil, Great Video, Why would you use the the older 45.83 forceware drivers vs the 81.98 forceware drivers? I am using 81.98 on my Retro Box (P4) w/ FX5700.

HAAAAAAA, outside in freah air, cup of espresso, ham-radio on, and Phil's video. I feel good.

The first PC I ever built was based on the s754 platform. The 754 motherboard I got for it was also the first purchase I ever made online. I think I got a Sempron 2800+ for it...can't remember exactly, was a long time ago. First experience with overclocking was on this platform.

Incoming needs TNT2 pro or ultra to have the best experience. Good one like always phil. Same opinion about socket 754 for Windows 98. In my opinion is the best choice. They are cheap: Athlon 64 or Sempron 64 costs only few £ or €. Mainboards are cheap 15/20£ and it's easy to find a single stick of DDR400 memory. You can use lots of GPU. Performance are impressive, the platform stay cool and quiet at load speed. You can use reference AMD stock cooler and put down multiplier if you need. See you soon

I love Your videos and i have a question to You. These videos brings back so many good memories like installing drivers manually, I loved it resolving problems on my own on this old machines :). Your videos have inspired me to build my own retro gaming pc. I wish to be able to play dos and Windows games, but I am not sure about the Windows version here. W98 or WXP? And this is what I have : Intel P4 3GHz/1M/800, ASRock P4 VM 800 motherboard, 1 GB PC3200 DDR400 RAM. Should I go with Windows 98 or maybe XP will be better for this setup? And also what graphics car do U recommand? Thank You in advance :)

Nice video as always !! I have the same Medion GF4 Ti 4200 8x and it can overlock to Ti4600 speeds (even beyond) :D it's a really quiet and cool card, I was very impressed by it for the price :D Concerning the CPU you used, seeing its cpuscore under 3DMARK99MAX it's a bit faster than an Athlon XP 3000+ FSB333 on an Asus A7V333 (that one scores about 38300 points, overclocked to 2471MHz it scores 43300). Maybe you could use Riva Tuner 2.24 - 2009 MSI Arena Overclocking Edition (It works well under Win98SE, tested by myself :p) in order to unlock features of the integrated graphics by S3. I know it does work when PowerStrip can't show options like you had in the video. I hope it will help you :)

Im so inspired with your retro project that i built my own consisting of core 2 quad q9550s, gt640 gpu, 4gb ram, 160gb hdd, old lian li alloy casing( forgot the model)

Ever thinking of using a Dual socket 462, like a Tyan Tiger or MSI K7D-L or GA-7DPXDWP, you now AMD 760 chipset. I have been using those for a lot of years with Win 2K, I still have all those computers most in Chieftec Dragon cases and one in a Aopen HQ.

Just built win 98 pc during lockdown after watching your videos, epox 8kmm+ motherboard, 512mb ram, AMD xp 2000+ CPU, ATI Radeon 9800se 256 mb. Sound blaster live sc. Smashes windows games except grand Prix 4 must be really demanding ? Grand Prix 2 runs really badly 2 in dos, the image seems to slightly ossolate not unplayable but and the sound really bad, championship manager 2 runs ok but with the same ossolation with the image. So looking forward to your bonus video for tips with DOS games . Great videos 👏

I have set up an Athlon 64 laptop with Windows 98SE, XP, Vista, and 10 (all on the same 40 GB drive) and 1 GB of RAM, and an Athlon XP 1700+ with Windows 98SE, NT 4.0, XP MCE, and Mandrake Linux 8.1 Gaming Edition. I had to hack the AMD drivers for the Xpress 200M (thanks for uploading them to your website BTW) to use the laptop's native resolution (by adding 1280x800@60 the inf) and everything works fine except the built-in WiFi and Ethernet under Windows 98SE. The drivers for Vista (which can be used on 7-10) are available on the Windows Update website. I should try that universal sound card loader to get sound MS-DOS mode :) (audio in VDM works fine except red-book audio) As for the Athlon XP (which has 256 MB), I had to install the ALi drivers to get Ultra DMA to work, but I also had to connect the DVD burner to IDE primary master and the HDD to IDE secondary master because otherwise Windows XP wouldn't read discs correctly of the driver was installed, for some reason. I used a Geforce2 MX-400 because it supports NT 4.0 and MLGE, although Descent 3 drops to 30 FPS when playing at high resolutions so I might replace it with a Radeon 9250 later. (I have both the Windows and Linux versions of Descent 3) I also had to use BootMagic because NT4 doesn't like it when the boot partition (which is where 98SE would go) is FAT32.

Nice easy and cheap retro gaming.

Great vid! For the games that not work properly in my Windows XP retro machine (Intel E8600, 4gb DDR3, GeForce GTX440TI), I buid a PC with a Pentium 4 1.5ghz, 512 MB DDR, and a a Geforce 4 MX with Win 98. I use it only for older Windows games like Sega Rally 2 that requires Win9x machine and also not work in my Windows 2000 machine (Celeron 430, 2gb DDR2, Ge Force 6200 TC), also use this W98 PC for Worms 2, Midtown Madness 2, Need for Speed 2, and others.

I had a S754 Duron 750, it was awesome considering my machine before that was some AMD K5 lol. Good times

He Phil, I have a huge lot of old computers and parts, some stil in their box, starting from 286 over Pentium Pro to P4 and higher. AMD K6 to Opteron and so. Most of my material is in Belgium but some is in Australia. A couple of Compaq Portable and and IBM portable are overthere. That material in OZ is more than 2000k from you on the Vic south coast. I am thinking of compiling a list of everything and than put it on ebay. Do you still test mini and SFF computers ?

When it came to the locking up and the storage controller not loading, I had this same issue with my MSI K8T Neo2-F v2.0 Socket 939 board. What I had to do was download the SATA/RAID driver and install that. After I installed the driver I then had to go into the BIOS and set the SATA controller to RAID mode and it worked just fine at full speed.

I'm not surprised that you had problems with the sata ports as sata originally came out in 2000. While they did make sata drivers for Win98 they usually had to be installed after Windows was (on an ide drive), then you had to swap your hd from ide to sata and use hd cloning to copy everything over. Have you looked at slot 1 pentiums yet? I'd be interested if you do as I've got a board and cpu that I could use.

I've had those ide/sata issues. I've also found older boards with both ide and sata always seem prefer ide hdd's as the boot drive.

Friday 17th retro pc gaming!! Scary!

Hi, which monitor did you use? or which monitor do you use for win98 usually?

The 939 platform seems to be more windows 98 and dos friendly. Lot less issues with a 4000+ and a via 939 platform. That said, me too I can't use any sata ports, only ide works. Also I sugest you to do some 800Mhz test in 98 as some games will require a 800mhz cpu speed not to hang. And Phil, can you test one game next time you do a 98 video? The game "ONI" is VERY picky about the video card.

that is a dream win98 system i had in 98 an Amd k6 II with 192mb of ram and 8gb of hdd

I used to work for a component distributor. I would test returned items to determine if they where faulty or not. We sold these Gigabyte boards. We had very few returns on Gigabyte boards. If they did have a problem it was mainly having to flash the bios to the latest version because it would not boot with newer CPU's and I remember a spate of boards with leaking capacitors. MSI boards at that time where terrible. I always wish i had kept my best PC for each era instead of upgrading.

Great video Phil! How would you under clock a CPU like that? Would you just go into the BIOS and change some numbers?

Guys, as much as i admire the passion you put towards fixing 20 years old problems and a trip down memory-lane, the x86 platforms have always been very generic, there's no "iconic" like for example the C64/Amiga/enter-your-favourite-console... wouldn't emulation work out just fine ?

The issues you suffered were just so indicative of the era... brings me some odd nostalgia while simultaneously making me sad to my core as if it were younger me with some motherboard that I just sunk all my money into, and it was just riddled with issues. lol . But half the fun was figuring all of any particular systems quarks out, and knowing it like the back of your hand by the time its broken in. By which time you can basically make it do anything you want, whilst acutely aware of its limitations. I've had bunk Sata on early implementations as well, back then of course... in its infancy. Also depressing, when you sink a ton of money into a new interface for CRAZY SPEED, and you ultimately have to then go to tigerdirect and get a sata to ide adapter... paying a ton more to do the same thing you were on the last build, lol... just because the tech wasn't up to snuff, and compatibility on brand new ideas were totally hit or miss.... nothing was assuredly just going to work... ever. Not back then. But again, it was a lot of the fun at the same time. Oddly. Like playing a lottery to an extent.

Is the Athlon 64 x2 series possible with windows 98? I've got a 6400+ black edition on my xp rig. I'd like to dual boot possibly. Yes I will have to painstakingly switch the gpu and remove ram every time but you do what you gotta do