So the Super soldier from the famous gene experiment gets a body double, who is a random medic who appearantly is better than the Legendary Super Genetic Soldier Naked Snake.... Well that kinda destroys about half of Snakes character lol

@@boogiestreet594 So what you are saying is that ANYBODY can be Snake. He is not a legendary super soldier, worthy of cloning in your opinion? And the next Metal Gear we will get will have a female lead as Snake, since 'anybody can do it' right?

@@boogiestreet594 Buddy stop crying. You can enjoy the game anyways.

@@fosphor8920 You DO realize that was the whole point of MGS 1's (yes, ONE) post-credits Ocelot's speech: "The inferior one was the winner after all" and all that ? And "Solid Snake Simulation" supposedly "for creating a perfect soldier out of anyone" of MGS2 ? You know, THE ENTIRE "nature versus nurture" (aka "genes versus memes") THEME of MGS & MGR ?

@@PredatoryQQmber So he is not special, he is just a random military dude easily replaced by another meathead. Roger that. Nothing is legendary, super soldiers are easily created. Nurture is everything? Damn all of a sudden Snake seems like the biggest Gary Stu ever seen before.. A normal dude taking down Metal Gears haha

With your feet in the air and your head on the ground...

+Mitch Taylor try this trick and spin it your head will collapse and there's nothing in it and you'll ask yourself.

Where is my mind..

I was swimming in the Carribean

Fight club reference, haha

Very cool way to get your own confirmation. But yes, creating a face at the start (with no choice for female) was enough of a giveaway, unfortunately. Still a wonderful experience.

Most Valuable Pig i just passed it off for multiplayer, or a custom character. Though I guess no female is a big giveaway

@@makage7126 I felt as soon as the rest of the _tutorial_ kicked in, the bandaged bloke having Snake's new voice more or less sealed the deal.

or you,ya know,read that in almost every single article about it

You know when I figured it out? About two or three years before release, during Kojima's first interviews for the game when he cited Akira Kurosawa's 'Kagemusha' as an influence for the next MGS 😂

Self hatred due to being a medic who failed to save his patient, then failed to save his brothers in arms, then mentally became a leader who failed to save him men in a very short time

You're missing the whole fucking point. Venom calls himself a demon because he has big boss's implanted memories. The actions he then does throughout the game are a result of his own persona breaking through, which is in conflict with the big boss persona "I have to cast out this demon inside me". The memetic cloning process was bebef fully completed because he had to be woken up early. So there are still remnants of the medics original persona. I kinda feel like this is madd blatantly obvious in the game. Dissacotiative Disorder

thinking there maybe cut content that explains venom's slow descent into villainy and outer heaven

@Samwisegamgee The Brave what?

what kind of edgy white 12 y/o wrote this wait

No such thing as a best or most accurate review. Best at what? Pleasing your confirmation bias? Most accurate at what? Pinpointing your gripes with the game? I agree that the review is very well written and uses objective facts to back up his subjective opinion, but subjective is subjective.

+Rerez I see this review as the most accurate review in terms of the perspective of a fan of the series. The rest of the reviews out there reflect more accurately on how people new to the series feel about this game.

+TheLingo56 "People new to the series" and "people who praise a game for giving them hours of worthless activities without a worthwile payoff" seem to interpose pretty well.

+rpr kjj What are you talking about? Even if it's not the best...it's at least fair. He's not pulling punches on this one and I like it. It's more than I can say for(and he clearly points it out) the media that only got a set amount of time with it. They gave it near perfect reviews and I personally don't feel it deserves that.

+teamhex You personally agree with him? You feel he was fair? Great, I never said otherwise.

Yeah same

Yeah, I only waited a few times. Every other time he was waiting for me.

if u ever end up waiting, just use the phantom cigar lol

This. Fucking reviewers man...

Yeah, I feel like this was a pretty obvious solution. If you're able to plan ahead anything you do by, say, 30 seconds, you don't really end up waiting on him, ever. Only when I was about done for the day and still had other stuff planned but didn't really feel like doing it so I called a chopper at a moment's notice instead, AND I just so happened to already be standing in a landing zone did I end up waiting.

Being naive and not keeping up with things, only knowing he was a body double, I was hoping the ending would be him running off with Quiet to try and reclaim his own life. Still a great gaming experience otherwise.

Knowing he's really Frank Jaeger/Grey Fox is even more saddening.

@@RecluseBootsy no he's not?.. didn't snake kill him in the original metal gear?

@@ssk58607 i think solid snake??

@@OrangeXenon54 yeahh me too i hoping hes in love with quiet and spend the rest of his live with her

5-Second Reviews Same

That was Konami saying fuck it and just forcing the nuke count to 0.

Is it still bale to be gotten on PS4?

Same

I knew I didn't imagine it. I had decommissioned a nuke I built and finished an FOB mission. The cutscene unlocked right after, and it really felt like a glitch. I decommissioned ONE nuke, and the world is now at peace? ok.

I think they hand waved that as memory loss

What is NGL? I'm noob

@@markabrian1925 Not Going (to)/Gonna' Lie You can Google this UwU

Yeah....until you notice the big ass shrapnel in his head lol

Trendy Bloke also in mission 43 where you have to clear the quarantine platform, Venom says that the platform smelled like fruit, but in MGS 3, The Boss is amazed to hear snake say that he can’t smell.

DOO DOO DOO DOOOOOO!

+Abbas Khan lol

You know, the fact that you can play John Cena theme on the heli is one more thing I want to play MGS5 for.

Nightquaker But not on console tho sadly

Oh, cause he's stealthy and you can't see him... Clever.

Or you could play as Solid fighting Venom. You sneak onto your mother base. Take out the soldiers you recruited and fight Venom. Venom could even use your prefered loadout. Like a tiny remaster of the orginal Metal Gear. It would also hammer home that your the villian.

N94able i fully believe that this was always going to be the planned ending sequence but Konami refused to give Konima the time to iron out the script to get there while still designing the levels and presentation based off the outline.

DUUUUUUUDE YOU'RE SO RIIIGHT I JUST REALIZED. Imagine how epic that would've been. Young (still young!) Solid Snake confronting fucking Venom Snake!!?? AND KILLING HIM? Damn. You know Kojima was never beyond this and just didn't have the time to space it out. That would have been. Epic. Not only does it 'fit perfectly' in the timeline, it's its literal conclusion man. God. That would've been something.

edmund blackadder When I started playing this game I think I got my hopes up too much that the final mission would be you, the player, playing as Solid Snake infiltrating the base. Even now this hurts, and probably why I am watching this old video today, which ironically has made me feel a lot better with the final conclusion. Would have been one badass way to end this series, but instead... we are left with a phantom pain.

@Thomas Garrison fuckin keifer sutherland m8... smh

Same, and I thought the Man on Fire was a PTSD-induced hallucination, as well as the unicorn and the whale just being a delusion of his

​@@TheHorns1996 I'm half convinced that's what they were initially intended to be (the unicorn & whale), or rather I think it was supposed to be linked with his brain injuries and Ocelot's hypnotherapy. Hypnagogia was used to imprint Venom with Big Boss' memories (especially his on-record missions) - if that's the case the entire hospital mission could have been originally scoped as hallucinatory, considering Venom's just woken up from a 9 year coma. There's a few other snippets that make me think the whole PTSD/hypnotherapy theme was supposed to be explored more but was scrapped due to time constraints; now we're just supposed to believe Volgin sprung back to life 20 years later and inexplicably has fire powers.

I assumed Ishmael was Big Boss suffering from disassociation due to the trauma he sustained in the crash as well as the after effects of his coma. I thought they were going for a Mason/Reznov effect.

Ikr

+BakedCookie It's like poetry.

+BakedCookie durrr hurrr it's bad on purpose guys!

"MGSV The Blue Balls" is more appropriate

***** I think you mean 'best', doge is freakin epic

@D J Yeah I don't think that's a coincidence. It's clearly international.

Oh god, what dod you just do!? Now he's coming- ack! *WHY ARE WE HERE, JUST TO SUFFER-*

@@HOTD108_ this is why kojima is one of the best video game writters ever

An unfinished game more like

most people are so emotional about the things that they like that they will complain and gripe amidst doing the very thing that they like... they are blinded to the fact that this is Kojima's baby, not ours, and he is a clever man. And whatever the whiners (and I acknowledge you might've spent $60, you r still whining) want to say about their personal feelings and opinions of the game... 1) They still played it, and enjoyed it, and 2) he produced a very good and successful game to the masses... (this part is not always a good thing once you become a "fanboy" of something but the man does his job well and deserves respect) His "unfinished" game is waaaayyy better than most stuff out there even today... "Phantom Pain" Nope, not a coincidence...

Want to piss you off? *Metal Gear Survive*

@@GianniLeonhart id say hitman is okay, not pretty fucking good- definitely not anywhere near this game

@@GianniLeonhart i wouldnt really consider myself a fanboy, i just think gameplay wise mgs5 > hitman. if youre talking about the latest hitman games, i mean

@@GianniLeonhart also, what a god damn shitty reply. fuck you

@@FAWXPLUS hitman 2 is the best game in the hitman series apart from blood money, and id say ghost recon wildlands does the gameplay of mgsv better than mgsv

Bond English

It's Recieved Pronounciation

*Zero's

It's also an upper-middle class accent, the Cockney accent is generally associated with the working-class.

Zero’s accent is Received Pronunciation. He is from Exeter, and his accent is definitely nothing like that local accent.

Konami created a weapon to surprass metal gear: -by shitting on their most famous series they were able to kill all of their consumers and successfully enter the mobile market to spread microtransaction 'parasites.' S rank. fucking, S rank Konami

+Johnny Zhang s rank konami. awarded the fiddle emblem.

Pretty much

Kalel Greece Nice

@Kalel Greece Fiddles are hard to play: They played us more like a kazoo.

But MGS retcons that.

+Mikael Anton Kurki I guess it wasnt retconed, maybe a large nuclear arms race happened after the end of Zanzibar land?

Mikael Anton Kurki not really because in MGS 1 the 1998 nukes info was meant to mention our worlds nuclear storage. I don't recall the actual story mentioning nukes.

It is a retcon but it's basicly scribbling out the word all and replacing it with most... hardly the biggest change Kojima has made to his story. Think of it like this Outer Heaven/Zanzzibar Land were the 3rd most powerful (or even most powerful) nuclear "nation" on the planet and Metal Gear just cemented there supremacy over America, Russia and what have you and thats why they sent in The Legendary Solid Snake..... with a cardboard box and a pack of smokes.

Isn't it MG2 which has no nukes?

Yeah, who waits till they're at the LZ to call the helicopter? That's not time efficient.

Also, you can simply upgrade it's engines for it to be faster. That's a bruh moment by Goerge right there.

Idk if you knew but it youre not on a main op you can pause the game and there is a "Return to ACC" option it teleports you to the chopper

or use the cardboard box

I just wish they'd established his character better prior to MGSV. Maybe he could've been the beach instructor in PW. Now being 1 of 3 men accompanying Snake on a mission is huge especially one as big as Ground Zeroes but it's still a shame.

Dude wasn't even officially named man No foreshadow to Big Boss having a favorite Best Soldier as his "left hand" beforehand either

@@justbny9278 Gray Fox was his most trusted LT.

@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures yeah Grey Fox was an Actual Established Character, the Medic pretty much only ever becomes relevant in Any Way whatsoever Once he gets his identity stolen and is turned into Big Boss-B Its kinda of a tragedy into itself he's just, got Nothing, no actual name, no actual face or design, we can barely infer Anything at all about his personality -- its def been shaken up by the brainwashing, whatever it used to be its def not quite the same Makes sense people would theorize the "Impostor Big Boss" was Grey Fox back in the day, and Grey Fox is also a character who's been there since the very beginning of the series alongside BB and Solid Snake and Outer Heaven itself

how convenient

+SlatedShale [Venom snake standing in the edge of Mother Base with the ashes of his comrades] "...you are all Big Boss'es"

+Bartek Sojka You're that Big Boss..

You and I are just inferior copies of the old man!

That's poetic

+Arnar Er Besturson psycho boss??

@@rabbischlomobengoldbergstein kojima did it to himself by using the budget to make the silent hill demo. Hes just as dirty

@@PUBLICnoose that thing was already debunked

same, I took it more as the story of the man behind MG1's Big Boss. We already know who Big Boss was, what he fought for, but we had no info on who was the MG1 Big Boss.

I personally don't really blame him or the big story problems with the games after 3. He wanted to end the franchise in 2, and then had to make 3, and then had to make 4, then peace walker etc. But obviously Konami wanted more money out of the franchise and this is what happens. I'd say we got some pretty good games in the end and even though Kojima will most likely never make a metal gear game again, he'll at least make more games with his own studio.

@@rodrigokuszek no, it wasn't. Someone at Konami saying it's not true doesn't mean it's not true because Konami has vested interest in keeping the Kojima debauchery hushed down.

fucking agree

Agreed

The phantom pain.

MGSV was the only Metal Gear Game I played. And I agree so much.

its a phantom pain

The problem with MGS is that it was never about the lore, and yet that's all what fans asked Kojima to work on. MGS was always about treating themes, the lore of MGS is nothing special, but since people in the videogame industry are used to stories like TLOU or COD, they rather obsess over what Big Boss was doing in the late 80s rather than stuff like what MGS2 tried to do.

Honestly this is why I love the Metal Gear series. And sharing it with others is almost as good as your first play through. It's like Pulp Fiction meets The Room. You laugh at the absurdity while appreciating the ingenuity, and that's what makes Kojima's Metal Gear one of the best series in gaming history for me.

@@RegAgape there is no doubt about that statement at all..great gameplay for each one in the series combined with superb visuals for their respective release time... there's not much to nitpick other than the story but then it depends on how you understood it or want to understand it..I'll always believe venom was the best version of all the snakes just coz he was the perfect soldier with utmost loyalty to his cause and the real BB's

Well said, very true.

Theres still little to no story in mgsv

@@66kaisersoza yeah there is, alot of subtle details. Just use your brain lol or smoke weed.

@@by2083 it's a weak unfinished story. Maybe you're just easily pleased

@@by2083 Detailed cutscenes =/= satisfying plot

@@66kaisersoza not my fault you cant enjoy simple things 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

+Pan Z It would've made the twist even more obvious. I was personally expecting some sort of moment with Solid in it, and Solid being voiced by Hayter.

+TheLingo56 I would've loved an ending where Venom gets a FOB warning at your maxed-out base, and when you arrive you have to fight (and will lose to) Solid Snake. But really I wanted TPP's ending to touch on Big Boss turning back to Cipher/Zero and leading FOXHOUND until 95, with the formation of Outer Heaven brewing in the background, leading to MG1. Grey Fox would have been a great addition also.

+Pan Z I completely expected that to happen and was sorely disappointed that it didn't.

+Pan Z 100% agree on that

+Seonaidh Ceannéidigh That ending should have the real Big Boss look at Venoms dead body. It would be a much better twist.

LOL YES

IT IS A GOOD MGS GAME!

@@henrys2526 not really. Like the story that we were promised in ground zeros and the story that we got out of phantom pain was just a weak attempt to see big boss turn into a villain.

Dat profile pic tho

@@rjtheripper931 The story still links into the other games, especially MG1 and 4. We see the context for Big Boss as well

smoke some weed, chill out quit trying to expect more and just enjoy it. And if you cant keep your loudmouth shut.

Well thats one way of saying it

@@devduthk3816 It's a good way of admitting to being filtered.

The game is finished most people just don’t complete it because it’s too much replayed missions The real phantom pain is spoilers V’s identity stolen from him his entire life only revealed shortly before his death (and liberation from false identity) at the hands of Solid Snake. the phantom pain in other words of realizing that this massive betrayal and theft of identity (and of the meaning of the experiences) of medic, all just to throw off an assassin and to explain his retconned survival. The phantom pain of not knowing who to blame, being tortured and victimized by the hand of the system detached from the systems guiding minds, becoming paranoid of each other in a big smoke screen, a stage production Mother Base. All because Zero was too paranoid to meet Snake peacefully and explain himself, he waited too long and was poisoned by Skull Face allowing all this terrible stuff to happen.

@@ct-hv1uz you are replying to a comment from 2 years ago, but have you played the game till the end? There is a to be continued... on the liquid's story arc. He kidnaps soldier and runs off. There are multiple videos about the making off of the continuation that was scrapped off because of the delivery time.

@@sixty8403 forgive my oversight abt replying to a 2 years old comment, and I get that there's an unreleased chapter too, but in my opinion the game can still be considered finished because of its resolution of several other things, like Venom finally coming to terms with what happened and moving on to his duty "Just another Mission boss" and also that things like the Paz photos completion and recovering Volgin's body aren't neglected. I will say though. Sorry to make you think of this game more than you had to . And where its undoubtably unfinished... the whole logic behind how snake gets a lot of these cassette tapes and where they come from...

I would instantly CQC his ass lol

"snake"

@@ssk58607 do it!

Oh, wow... That might've been pretty interesting. Too bad Konami is Konami and Kojima was too fucking occupied with his tweeter feed instead of making a good fucking game.

I would kill to see the Chico subplot in phantom pain. And there's a lot of factors that go into a game. The Kojima-konami affair is a huge can of worms, its a shame the game had to suffer because of it.

I don't know about not expecting plot twists, theres always at least a few in every mgs game. Besides the story, the gameplay is honestly the best there's ever been in a mgs game. I cant hate the Kojima alone for the game. He has wanted to escape metal gear for over a decade. It makes sense that his ideas would get a little burned out after a while. Konami wouldn't let him work on anything else because metal gear prints $$$.

lazyrmc He could've just quit. Instead of quitting he did agree to make another one. I am really tired of open-world games. Their open-approach now looks like something developers go to when they have no idea on how to entertain the gamer through more linear means and just hand all the tools in gamer's own hands for him to entertain himself. Gameplay may be phenomenal for all I care, but the story HAS to be here !!! It has to have 10 hours of cutscenes, like back in the day !!! It is a fucking MGS game ! It has always been like this ! And now I have nothing like MGS's distinct over-long exposition ANYWHERE in ANY gaming series ! There are no more games like it with this very distinct need to meticulously explain and show as much as it can. Fuck, I am acting up again, I have to stop. Fuck Kojima and fuck Konami, they fucking ruined my fucking belief in good.

The game is what we got. Kojima just fucked up, just like he fucked up with MGS4 and PW. Deal with it.

That is actually an amazing idea, it'd put to good use all the turrets on Mother Base as well, but thats what we have mods for I guess hah.

You're pretty good

The problem is that the ending definitely doesn't feel intentionally made to cause "phantom pain" to the player. It simply feels rushed and unfinished. Quiet's departure is a prime example of intentional phantom pain for the player. The ending is not.

@@spyrochrisgaming not just that nut a phantom pain implies that something has to be there before. Quiet is a good example as we have her and then lose her. Snakes arm is a good example as he had an arm and then lost it. In this, we dont get to experience what we even lost. It's not a phantom pain because we dont then lose it later. It's gone from the get go

@@hk1371 i mean you have the game and experience it so i guess its somewhat a phantom pain if you get what i mean. Like you want more of the game idk.

@@cyberbron2077 But that's not Phantom Pain That's just an unfinished game. It wasnt as if we had those missions and then we lost them. They werent in the game when it launched. Hence it cant be a phantom pain as it was never there for us to experience. We only found that out after the fact.

Agreed totally. Most of the weapons I haven't even touched. There's also multiple versions of every lethal weapon, while there's only a handful of non-lethal ones. I often ask myself why am I developing all these weapons I won't use. Not only that but the box as well. The box is way less useful than it is in the previous games.

The big issue is that going 100% lethal makes you lose heroism and heroism dictates what skill levels enemies spawn with, which influence your base progress (Since you want high level soldiers to recruit), which means unlocking things take even longer if you're playing with lethal weapons. So yeah... There's more variety in lethal weapons, they're more satisfying to use but actually using them makes for a more tedious overall experience. Not to mention making your character ugly as all hell because of the unbelievably shitty karma system.

think about it this way , the weapons you're developing will be used by Diamond Dogs , you're not developing them for you but for your PMC . And in order to get stronger DD needs more weapons .

OK I've heard several people talk about how you are severly punished or discouraged from going lethal in this game and I really don't get it. I've just about 90% the game, soooo where's this punishment coming from? Sure there are consequences like a drop in heroism but thats not a discouragment or punishment it doesnt break the game or make it impossible to win or even really affect you, going in lethal is a valid option in most instances and if your worried about the price then simply do it sparingly and stratigicly and you'll minamize the point loss, I mean going in loud and lethal is sometimes the surest way to gurentee a S rank. I'm genuinly hoping that someone will explain there point of view on this. I understand that most of the time your gonna want to fulton things but that dosent wash either... because it's a choice your given not a punishment do you invest in future gains or do you cut them down, who's worth saving and who's not worth saving are you good enough to take them out without killing them and only taking the best or do you need to resort to slaughter?

RogueDragon05 The issue is that total heroism dictates the ranks of soldiers found. So if you keep killing enemies, you will get less S-rank soldiers, which slows down your research progression massively, making for a tedious late-game grind to increase heroism and actually get a chance to actually unlock later developments. Lethal play is an effective way to get S-ranks, no denying that. But you take a considerable hit to overall progression by doing so.

Doubtful, gameplay wise it still has tons of issues

I love this line.

Lol

+AlbertElijahSag101 lol indeed

lmao tru

+Efraín Ram Don't forget Kikongo.

Daniel N yea I forgot a few. I also forgot diné

Gotta agree on that one. I deadass cried there

chapter 2 is easy af in chapter 1, at least the level design force you to sneak and stealth your way thru enemy bases in chapter 2, u can always just go around since everything's mostly open area with easy to traverse terrain

Yeah, you can tell in chapter 2 they were running out of budget. RIP.

The subsistence mission modifier? Super fucking fun, because it actually forced you to scavenge and look for useful stuff in the various bases and camps. It was brutally difficult for non-lethal total stealth. and yet, it made me so satisfied, brought me back towards mgs3

+TheLokoShow I feel like that, but it started at MGS4 for me. However, I certainly don't miss the cutscenes in that game.

Trancecend 3 had to be the best

Agreed

+TheLokoShow Which one did you start with? That's always the big question. If you start with 3 or 4, you'll hate 5, but you'll love the earlier games because 4 retcons them all into a coherent story and you'll go into 5 expecting more of that coherent story. But MGS wasn't always this well connected. If you're an MGS1 fan, 2 could be hugely dissapointing to you and feel like a pointless sidestory. I was a MGS2 fan back in the day and 3 left me very dissapointed because at the time it was just a sidestory. I'm thinking MGS3 and MGS4 fans might be having the same effect with 5.

David Hayter voices Solid Snake and should have only voiced him. Its dumb to have the same voice actor play both Big Boss and Solid Snake.

Exactly we somehow justify it yet this is the whole reason snake ran away in the first place, it’s a classic story arc where you become the thing you swore to destroy

Hatemonger wait really? I would just call the chopper before heading to the LZ so I wouldn’t have to wait for it

You got played like a damn fiddle lol

fiddled like a damn play

+Seth Varisco It´s been polarized since 2001

+Seth Varisco not really, the fans who don't want to believe it's over are desperate for more content, which they won't get. the fans who have accepted it enjoyed the game, and the ending, very much so. basically, don't listen to the retards on reddit or steam forums whining. they just are in denial.

+Exigentable You're cute.

+Exigentable Even if either Kojima had a chance to make another game or whatnot, I would have just left Konami either way. Instead of dealing with frustration during production and the BS going on there.

+Adrián Sandoval Well I can agree with that. What I mean is that this reminds me of how MGS2 polarized the fans. I'll agree it wasn't great on story, but I've just accepted the ending we got. It's Kojima's last Metal Gear, and I appreciate the work he and his team put into it.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

"I was invaded by words..."

The only funny thing to come out of the damn story is that line and the amusing ways people twist it.

+noobishmacgaming cmon, Huey yelling "REVENGE!" had me on the floor

Whoooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And it seems like everyone assumes Kojima cut stuff from the game for shits and giggles, which is total nonsense. In fact, the deadlines and restrictions Konami put on him that forced him to ship an unfinished product that could have been perfect is suspected to be a primary motivation for his leaving the company.

@@octiantrys5090 I mean the sorry he wrote is still kind of shit

@@Plasmacat1 kojima used his money to male the silent hill demo then had to shoo ground zero to have enough to continue to work on mgs5. Kojima is just as in the wrong for how the game ended

@@Plasmacat1 yeah dude i agree. Like it's not explicitly stated of how big boss turns to the dark side. All of his atrocities had some justified means in one way or another. But there's not one action that big boss has taken when we can say that he's become a villain.

@@rjtheripper931 the whole child soldiers is dancing on the line

Phantom pain.....

I remember saying to a friend at the time that The Phantom Pain manages to feel like half a game and still overstays it's welcome by a large margin. What a strange game it is.

@@Kitamora youre right. Gameplay tho is the best ever in a videogame imo.

@@cyberbron2077no doubt, that’s what makes it hurt so much

@@bruhcoin2361 You’re not being harsh at all dude, you’re providing a counter to my points rather than just insulting my intelligence which I appreciate. In regards to the tranquilizer there exists semi automatic tranqs which is something you can get access to before the code talker mission. I’m not implying he should be using a stun weapon when I make that point. The cigars are useful if your helicopter is not fast enough and thus you’re not going to miss extraction by using that method, of course when you have a fast helicopter there’s no need to wait at all for extraction. I will be clear when I say that I have only watched the story of all the games rather than playing them myself, with the exception of MGSV which I have over 1000 hours in across 2 play throughs. I tried Snake Eater but realized it was an entirely different control scheme and generally a different beast than Death Stranding or MGSV which are the only Kojima games I have played to completion. With Phantom Pain being a prequel to the Solid Snake era games while at the same time being set after the events of Snake Eater and Peace Walker I knew there were things I would not understand completely but it will be a fun game regardless. When looking to buy games I do not care about spoilers, so getting the details of what I can expect especially for a game notorious for being unfinished due to the Konami and Kojima breakup is useful. In my original comment that is why I never bring up the story at all, I have not played them myself I have just seen the cutscenes which I imagine is not super compelling to people as an argument of the other games’ value. If he wants to make a video about the game’s story, that is fine. However, the moment he mentions gameplay then I have something to say. When the title reads story analysis and he is talking about gameplay that’s where I begin to take the video as a review rather than what it says on the tin. Once he presents arguments about the gameplay and has footage where it seems he is not making that much use of specialized equipment to optimize his efficiency it instill doubt in me that he knows the fullest extent of the content, and it also makes it hard to take his criticisms of the story at face value. Keep in mind, I don’t believe this is the most egregious video out there on the subject of MGSV, I think that goes to Writing on Games’ video on the gameplay. He legitimately wants you to believe Phantom Pain is the most restrictive Metal Gear game and the evidence he presents for this being true is unbelievably lackluster. Nevertheless, this video stuck out to me for my reason why I never picked up MGSV for years so I decided to make my comment so I could have this sense of finality on the subject. I will admit when I say that there were things I was straight up wrong about how I remembered the video being for years so I cannot entirely say that is on the creator but the gameplay side of things is definitely something I have problem with. Thanks for the comment, I appreciate the discussion, have a nice day!

@@bruhcoin2361 "I think the video is supposed to be taken less as a review and more as a rant over the games story, themes and atmosphere in comparison to the other games in the series, as evident by the fact he didn't name the video 'review', it was just tagged on to" Let's test that theory: "Metal Gear Solid V: Dissociative Disorder (Story analysis + Review)". So... He's doing an analysis of the story... *_plus_* a review. Hmm... Seems like cognitive dissonance on your part to me.

Bruh did you really watch this before starting the game lol

The video is mostly an accessment of the story though... and while not everything he said has aged well, it was also released within a month of the games release. Considering that, you look pretty foolish for holding off on a game franchise I assume you love because of one lone video. But a lot of the stuff he says does hold up. The story, whether intentional or not, is bad, and this whole game is an unnecessary addition even if I do love it for the gameplay.

interesting

That's actually really cool

I always saw the V as the split path, Venom going one direction and BB going the other. It makes more sense when you look at the dot underneath the V on the cover, the dot before the gap represents Boss' life before gz, then the space represents the coma period where there was no big boss, then the split path of the V wjen there were two

Kojima confirmed this many months ago and that this game is a side story and that the V doesn't mean mgs 5.

***** It is referring to venom snake..

thats the quote that changed my life

Is it the right situation and the right story though?

You trust ocelot?

same!

Got it for $10 and i agree. Definitely not full price tho

Got it for free from ps+ lmao

I got the game. A week later they announced the definitive edition

FIREBREATHERCAT one of the best ps plus games

M3rtak11 to me that seemed like a dues ex machina moment. there just happened to be one of the very best soldiers there without any mention of him at any moment. it seemed kind of lazy tbh

a little bit but nonetheless

Because he's your best Soldier from Peace Walker. The game relies a lot on the player playing that game to completion which is in a flaw in itself since the game was a "portable" game.

FireTrainer92 after playing Peace Walker and GZ, MGS V feels better in terms of story

He isn't S, A++ is rubbish.

Yeah dude! I picked it back up the other day, too. The story makes mad because I know what I'm getting isn't the full story. Still an awesome fucking game

@@Bulletproof_Trump Wait till you get to the african mission thats glitched. and after bonding with quiet they fucked you over by quiet leaving. upgrading the base takes LITERALLY hours. A.I spawning on the mission zone appearing at random parts of the map (another glitch). It can take you HOURS to complete a single mission, doing perfectly then a random A.I appears out of nowhere from behind a wall, and youre fucked because game the doesn't let you save and you have to start ALL OVER AGAIN. I liked it in the beginning but this game just keeps fucking you over. FUCKTHIS GAME.

You are not having a good time, you just in denial and you may missed something that's why you playing it again.

@@JohnnyHellraiser spoilers, dude

No, I've put 1500 hours into this game, been mostly playing it for the last 4 years, and I still adore it. It's a great gameplay system - expressive, deep AND broad, and the majority of Main Ops (including the Chapter 2 remixes of them) are tightly scripted and well put together. As someone else mentioned in an incredibly salty comment there IS one glitched out mission that's incredibly frustrating but that's the one mission I truly hate, while there are some missions that are just kind of weak/lacking.

Piece of shit? You're entitled to your opinion, but try not to cut yourself on dat edge.

+rpr kjj ^

rpr kjj Ah, I see the term "edge" has officially lost all meaning. Good to know.

+InfamousBigBoss Where did I say piece of shit = edgy?

+Endless Jess Look at the definition of edgy, that should remind you.

THEGREATMAX Yeah, but how much of that was Big Boss playing nice to kids to earn their trust? Waiting for them to be at the right age to be fed to war? Remember, Big Boss at MG2 was still not a developed character, so why give him a "maybe he's not sucha bad guy" backstory when he's played up through the game as a clear villain. But taking the entire series into account, he will still use them for war, maybe against the Patriots but a war nonetheless.

I mean.... At least he would wait until they were of age then... Can't say the same for Solidus Oh no, he's not a villain. This is why the ending to MGS4 just has him and Snake talking. Skullface is a villain who does some fucked up shit just to do it/for revenge. Big Boss was just fighting for his own ideals. I can't consider him anymore of an actual villain than the Boss... who isn't at all a villain. Also, Big Boss never ONCE threatens to launch nuclear weapons in the series. He's fighting AGAINST the people who control the entire world. They only *paint him out to be a badguy* in Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2, because you don't know *WHY* he's doing what he's doing. To a normal person, on the surface, it looks evil, but that's why we played through *EVERY SINGLE GAME IN THE SERIES*, so we would realize that *it's not really evil. It's complicated* He only appears to be a villain, like The Boss, but he's really just a very ideological person, however, unlike the Boss who simply followed orders to save her child/country, Big Boss is doing it to save the world from the corrupt illuminati ruling class

THEGREATMAX Uhh, his ideals are to wage war. He realized this in Peacewalker, he's alive on the battlefield, can't have that without conflict. He even said The Boss betrayed him because she chose loyalty (to acquire peace) over her soldier's pride. MGS3 up to Peacewalker was to show us that he wasn't flat out cartoon evil, but Phantom Pain also shows us that a person can become overshadowed by their legend. Case in point, him using a supreme loyalist to be a prime target while he hid in the shadows and the target bolster his fame, it was pretty much the same as using The Boss to take the fall to further a government's agenda. The Patriots are just another reason for him to keep doing all of this, they're not his end goal. He didn't build nukes just to combat them, he has that for stalemates with every nation, because what united nation wants a lawless army that acts against international politics? Big Boss didn't start out evil but he was extremely far from a "good guy" by the time Phantom Pain rolls in.

+Rohan Kishibe - I don't think you understand his ideals at all. I disagree. It would be like sacfrificing the government for The Boss, not The Boss sacrificing herself for the government. He does the opposite of what The Boss did. And honestly, you really are forgetting Zero and his whole Big Brother/Illuminati/Control the world scenario. Big Boss was doing what he was doing, *because* of what Zero decided to do. Not in spite of it.

THEGREATMAX I understood his ideals correctly. Even he at the end of MGS4 was like "oh welp me and Zero both fucked up". Big Boss did exactly to Venom, what the government did to The Boss. Supreme loyal soldiers who were used to further a means to an end. The Patriots was just Zero's plan spinning out of control. Patriots or not, Big Boss would still be creating Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land because that's his interpretation of The Boss' will, a unified haven for soldiers to fight for their beliefs not for politics, soldiers thrive on war and conflict. At the start of Peacewalker he was managing MSF but their goal wasn't fucking with Zero, it was just, as I've said before, participating in war and conflicts.

Hell doesn't that sound like the Real Big Boss?

@@justbny9278 it does, what if venom AND skull face are Big boss phantoms...the 3 are the same person, like in the movie fightclub

@@jonasbravo7642 venom snake is skull face

+Eric Jonh The thing is, I don't think Konami would have wanted to. Its clear they want out of this industry.

+TankBus I wish Kojima could have at least put up a kick starter to finish it. I would have waited years to see the complete version. I hear it was supposed to have 5 chapters, but we get 1 chapter with an incomplete chapter!?

+Otaku Warrior So sad :'(

+Eric Jonh yeah what Tankbus said, and from sources I've seen, the CEO of Konami really hated Kojima, and wanted his game finished and ended as quick as he could. They fired him as a Director and renewed him as a contractor without his permission and was due to end this year in December so konami could focus entirely on mobile games. This forced him to put out his game early, unfinished with the 3rd chapter cut out of it. :c

+Eric Jonh Konami's fault on that one. Kojima wanted to delay it to make it complete, but they didn't want to delay it any further. That's the 1st real fight that both of them had that caused Kojima to leave Konami. I absolutely love this game, still consider this my favorite game overall due to the fact that there is seamlessly limitless things to do in this game (got like 180 hrs with only 86% completion), but story wise, I would still give it to MGS3 & 4.

I agree.

@TheShrimpDoctor i am new to Metal Gear and i spent way too much time figuring out the backstory and i am pretty well informed about it now so here it goes. Kojima was trying to finish this up give it a big good wrap but to wrap up the entire story of this 28 yo franchise but his ambition got out of hand and he just kept pilling up and pilling up to a story with almost no end it kept getting bigger and bigger untill well even he himself didn't know what he was doing but he knew he had to do it so he tried to use elements of nostalgia (example the relationship with Quiet and Venom (which is the only that comes to mind rn) and seeing how it ended we know that kojima probably didn't want to end in such a way but he was rushed by konami to get it over with because it already went over budget at which point Kojima realised it was big but the story wasn't finished yet so he had to rush (which is why MGS4 and MGS5) both seem incomplete and unsatisfying and felt like parts of the story were cut and then Konami realised Kojimas project was way to big for him to complete and so they kinda forced him into briefly finishing it so they can finally release it. At which point the game was incomplete and scrambled unfinished that's why MGS4 and MGS5 felt incomplete and shallow. In conclusion Kojima had to develop MGS4 and MGS5 because of fan demand which he didn't want to but kinda went into it after which his story was way to big and he became way to ambitious to which point konami finnaly had enough and cut the budget on the games development which became 2 wanted but unfinished games. (Am mainly refering to 5 but some of these apply for 4.

By a total of 1 hour. Who cares man

you should def try it mang it's amazing!!

@TheShrimpDoctor more like nanomachines 1.0. Eh?? Get it? Cuz the vocal parasites technically came first chronologically lol.

+The Angry Little Alchemist The other Metal Gear games are known for great stories. Not MGSV.

***** Ya, I meant that in MGSV it doesn't have a great story, not the others. I've only finished 3, played a few hours of peace walker, played the first 2 hours of 2, and played the first 2 hours of V, but I love MGS3 even though I'm a MGS new-bieddd

+The Angry Little Alchemist How you could say Bioshock Infinite has no story is beyond me....Fuck your cop out excuse, you dont understand the plot.

slipknotfatman I never said it had no story, I said it had a *bad* story. And really, an excuse? How was it an excuse? Every time someone reacts to me disliking Bioshock Infinite's story they act like fanboy fucktards just like you.

+The Angry Little Alchemist I actually had he same thing in mind although the only difference between this game and Bioshock Infinite as far as I'm concern is that I didn't exactly picture what the twist would be though I knew it would be there. I completely expected and pretty much knew what the twist would be in MGSV except that the "other" Big Boss was some conveniently placed medic.

+BigGeekEmpire even if thats the case, its bad storytelling, no way around that my friend.

+(O_o) Keiran Black (o_O) This seems unnecessarily hostile, but knowing Kojima fans this could actually happen in real life

Hattori Hanzo People are surprised now MGS has bad storytelling? You're all idiots. It's a fucking game. Enjoy the gameplay.

BigGeekEmpire im sorry, but i think you havent played the same games I have. talk all you want about tone shifts, bad voice acting, retcons, tons of exposition and info dumps, but if there is something that the first 3 MGS dont have, is bad storytelling. Also, the gameplay is highly overrated on this one

+BigGeekEmpire Because this game totally wasnt advertised as Venom/Big Boss' downfall. Hideo didnt even have to make big boss evil, but couldve shown venom go crazy after he discovers the truth. Everyone had these expectations because Hideo and the trailers misled us.

Football hooligan country? That narrows it down to Brasil, Argentine, Chile, England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Germany, Italy, Poland, Ukraine or Russia.

@@Leon_der_Luftige hooligan is usually referred to the UK football fans

@@zyxluz4645 Is it? I thought it's a wider term. Not for Britains only.

@@Leon_der_Luftige I'm not sure but I think the term is more used for British fans rather than the rest, however I'm not the biggest football fan so I could be wrong.

@@zyxluz4645 It Sure would be news to me. In Germany, we definitely use the term for our radical fans too.

still feeling it

still feeling it

Still feeling it

Still feeling it

+Lasersniper it was an amazing brick

+Lasersniper I was going to say the same but with different words, involving brains, male genitalia and the act of sex. I like your comment better

+Gustavo Kaplon (GK) not sex, rape.

+Lasersniper Somehow, the brick-o-story made a lotta sense.

+sdgundum990 That's a really interesting way of looking at it. I'm not a big fan of the story but I can appreciate it on some level after reading that. Thanks!

Also, after rescuing Miller and you almost arrive at Mother Base. Snake says, "What should I do?" Miller replies confused then Snake goes on to say, "Tell me. Tell me like you use to." This is because even though he believes to be Big Boss, he still doesn't know exactly what to do as Boss. That's why we're told what to do by Miller and Ocelot throughout the game. Venom only ever says anything or makes decisions if he absolutely has to except in one moment, if your GMP is in the red, when Ocelot is telling the 2 fighting soldier they have deck cleaning duty, Big Boss stops him and instead tells the 2 soldiers that they're gonna get a CQC lesson they'll never forget. In other words, an ass whoopin'.

It's sad, because I was overly cautious with my money I never go those cutscenes. I wanted to know their context from the trailer.

+sdgundum990 I was hoping it was actually part of the game. It just sucks that I feel like 2/3 of the game isn't there.

JZStudiosonline That because 2/3 isn't there lol. A lot of chapter 2 was cut and according the the game files, there was suppose to be at least 3 chapters.

+Foxar Thing is, the tanker chapter was actually so good.

metamofia Yes but im just saying they basically played the bast part of tpp, thinking rest of game is like that, and all the plot loose ends are explained in the end.

+Foxar then maybe they should've disclosed that information at the start of their review and said we only had a limited time and are not able to make a final judgment on the package as a whole. Instead "it's a rich and vast storytelling experience" and nothing even close to "prepare to re-do missions over and over to grind money and earn better equipment and re-do them a final time to get that Buttlerfly S-ranking" FUck them and to every motherfucker out there: if you complain about "Ethics in journalism" next time some feminazi releases a game to positive reviews (revolution 60 for example) fuck you too you fucking stupid Hippocrates!

Any journalist who gave this game 10/10 is a fraud

That is a ridiculous overexxageration

+Bad Voodoo mhmm

So it will deserve a 9/10 after October 6th?

+Suspect Robot WHAT THE FUCK DID THE PATCH DO SO GOOD??? All it did was added super small details and update for MGO3

+Bad Voodoo Couldn't agree more.That with uncharismatic characters (like Ocelot, holy fucking snoorfest)Repeating side missions, main evil guy leaving no impression, that "twist", unsolved stuff like Eli and Man on Fire etc.(my opinion)

Allah Akbar Could've, would've, should've been.

6 years later and I'm still hate this game and journalists/sites that gave it a perfect score.

@@maybebutwhatever that's your opinion, and the game was ahead of it's time for 2015

@@savage_aly8752 nah, witcher 3 is far better open world lol

@@luminosity01 maybe because witcher is complete and MGSV was never finished

Your points about venom's twist is what I always thought

Also, Upon meeting Huey, he doesn’t quite recognize you at first as Snake.

It is an excellent game. I have a feeling that the haters are just Hayter fanboys and Sony fanboys because the game that they liked released to Xbox and another consoles

@@jared1932 Or you could realize that not everyone shares your subjective opinion and that doesn't mean all who disagree with you are just fanboys...

I could understand a hardcore mgs fan not liking the story (I myself, who is still a new fan kinda enjoyed it) However when they come up with "the gameplay is repetitive and bad" and just not really provide a good reason why, I'm left confused, if you keep tranqing enemies at night, they will have thermals at night, if you keep shootin enemies in the head, they get helmets The more missions you do, the more preparations these enemies have tbh it's kinda like watch dogs, haters be hatin it because of aiden being boring graphics don't look the same as the trailer, or simply stuff cut from the game, but the lovers gon love the story, tone, atmosphere and gameplay of the game I guess a game can somehow have a side where people absolutely love it, and a side where people just fucking hate it the hell of it

0/10; 10/10

mgsv 1/10 Amazing.

The game is shit. Apart from being Metal Gear. You just run around the desert doing the same stuff over and over again. You even play the exact same first and last mission.

MGS3 was the best video game and Metal Gear game tho

MGS3 is THE fucking masterpiece of video games

+Trash Talkin' Because they are fucking idiots, they say they cutted a lot of shit from the game because of money problems, lol.. nice work hiring Kiefer fucking sutherland to do less liens than a character named quiet in the game, David would have done a lot of more lines and asked much les money, especially considering how much he said he loves the character.

+MetalHearts100 Kiefer's lack of lines is nothing to do with money - that's not how voice actors are paid anyway since he did a lot of MoCap, it was a deliberate decision made early in the games development, Kojima was aiming for a semi-silent protagonist who was well expressed rather than an oaf who questions everything he hears.

+Trash Talkin' Because David Hayter is too cartoony for the tone that Kojima was attempting to hit.

+Bakatyler Too (not "to") "cartoony" for the tone of the story that features a sniper that can turn invisible and dresses like a stripper because she has to breathe through her skin and has a child piloting a nuclear equipped mech? Gotcha.

Honestly I think it's because it's not really the same snake. Granted he did lines for the real big boss, but I feel like the whole game isn't meant to really be about snake

Exactly. That mission also makes the game a far more satisfying missing link to MGS1 and ties up the Eli/vocal chord parasite plotlines.

+GoatJesus That has the be the cutest avatar thing ever. Anyway yeah, what you said.

TooMuchStarbucks Thanks!

+GoatJesus Its still Ground Zero(s) though. In a few years things will die down. MGS2 got perfect scores as well and most reviewers make fun of that game outright for being bad. This game will probably be remembered for being just fine and people will care more about what wasn't there than what we played anyway.

Thanatos388 MGS2 is my favorite metal gear though...

+GoatJesus oh hey, nice seeing you here. Man I don't know what to think. This whole game is like the amalgamation of everything right and wrong with video games and games media. This game and its critical acclaim with critics compare to the divisive consumers makes me both worried for what should be listened. In terms of this game being, well, a game, its fantastic. The long helicopter wait, the long, empty terrain, and the careful planning of your next move is what I really liked because I see it as downtime of such a large game. I get tired easily with these big open infiltration areas and the empty terrain is a break for me to collect my thoughts. Though not exactly, I thought this works similarly to Half Life 2 quiet time though it could arguably be not as good as HL2. In terms of the story, really, we should have seen this coming. It's not an excuse but this empty feeling of events not progressing comes with the territory if you're a 28 year old saga that has almost every kind of moment imaginable. You have the awesome introductions, the cool characters, the emotion death scenes of Sniper Wolf or Emma or The Boss. This series had so much meta narrative and meta interaction with the player that predates the MSX games with the Psycho Mantis fight, the last third of MGS2, the sorrow, etc. The awesome climaxes exist as well like the mgs3 climax and really, most of MGS4 as well. You have charismatic and genuine characters that one cares like Solid Snake, Raiden, Otacon, hell even Sunny, she's adorable. What I'm trying to get is that really, what else could this game could have done to impress us. We called out all the possibilities of how this game would end up so storywise, it wouldn't really surprise us, And really, you can't top MGS2 meta narrative and MGS3 emotional ride of MGS1/PW simplistic yet complexly engaging story, or MGS4 fanservice conclusion. Only thing that MGS hasn't done is do a masterfully crafted stealth game. The point of a GAME developer is to develop great GAMES. MGS story was running out of steam, but gameplay has so much depth. I am 91 hours in MGSV and it is the most fun I had in a while(more than Bloodborne and TW3 imo) Now that this game has the best stealth mechanics in the series, really, now the series has to die. There is no more that this series has to prove. It's done. That's it. And really, the only thing for a creator to do after he's accomplished most things imaginable in a franchise is really just say "Thank you", hence the ending. Enjoy the game for what it is, a really good fucking stealth game with quiet time. P.S Sorry for having long discussions of Twitter about MGSV Mikel XD

Trigger reflex mode. Now you stun each guard (even armored ones) by throwing a magazine on his head.

The things you can do in this game still amaze me after over a hundred hours of gametime

Zyx Luz yeah I agree with you honestly a few months ago I didn’t know you could take over an entire base with just magazines

That being said I do think a number of good points are made here about the gameplay loops in particular.. Lots of padding lots of padding.. It does a bad job of working the multiplayer element of the base a thing at the wrong times.. I never cared for the base outside of I need to go here to trigger a thing or whatever.. Continue the main story... Lol at my pet inclosure.. Maybe marvel briefly at having S level guys in their roles on this massive thing.. But I never felt the pull for the endgame content with the base and making it better.. Because of all the padding to that point.. I've 100% this game twice.. I think there are details in the plot and how it works with the rest that's interesting the verbal virus and the shifting of 'boss' into the villain role and the rewriting of history of those in the moment retelling stories of the event and the changing of timelines with that version of the story... For example the point that Vemon is the Medic brainwashed to think he is someone else.. Mirroring Ocelots grafting of Liquids arm and identity to himself.. Something thought impossible in that time.. Which would be the future.. But this story is in the past.. Leading into the tech of the time.. The point with the tape is a good one.. There is more of that in the actions of Venom in his missions and choices.. Constraints.. There's an interesting topic in there for sure.. Something 7 years of time will have yielded.. A eureka moment like with 2 I'm not sure.. It depends.. There is much regarding that 1984 and the party controls the message in this than is surface and even slightly under the surface.. All Venoms soldiers having Skull Faces face to show the spread of his virus his ideology and the chance forward and backwards in time from that moment.. Its the critical moment in the entire story and that you are treated like a brainwashed confused lemming is part of that wider desired impact.. But because of that presentation it's much harder to detect the true message.. Its easy to take away a message of Boss isn't really Boss because the game tells you this.. But the villain.. Skull Face is more than Zeros puppet.. There's more to what he has done in that moment.. He has broken it. Those who control the present, control the past and those who control the past control the future. The prequels themselves are the past.. So the chase for Metal Gear and the learning and building of that.. Into that future.. Which is also the past.. See MGS2 is the past.. In that the game came out before MGS5.. But its events are in the future... So you have a time paradox created.. With a void in the middle with Vemon.. You.. Vemon.. Skull Face has unleashed his vemon upon the world with what he has done.. Even though nobody knows about what happened with Sahelanthropus in a historical sense.. The weapon is hidden.. But the west and east powers know.. Cypher know.. As we're told they will scrape this for data.. Those that control the past control the future.. Its a genius little hook.. With the soiders then carrying this nuke chase posion.. Venom forward infecting all past and future events.. Its fitting that MGS had that weird time paradox game as its current last title.. Survive.. Also a fitting message without Kojima directing it.. Metal Gear is trying to Survive.. There are other things in that title that also suggest much of Kojimas image and lack of presence is part of the identity of the title itself.. Its an interesting footnote in the wider story of Punished Snake.. Venom Snake.. As that story being a wormhole and meta point that acts as the weight that pulls all stories in. It does seem natural to have a side game that is also directly meta to follow or compliment that wider message.. Refined the game is not.. But I think some of its plot points are worth factoring into MGSVs wider plot wormhole.. Interestingly the series could be left at this point.. Sure you could make game set around some of the events depicted with these characters.. Maybe make a game with Big Boss and Ocelot that bond as you mentioned.. But I'm not sure exactly how you could make a game in that period and make it compelling.. The beginning of this story is told.. The boss.. Ect.. What he did up to the point of GZ is told pretty much.. PP wormhole.. MG and MG2.. Plus MGS1 2, and 4.. Is the end of the story.. The Big Boss gene is gone.. The thing's Zero and Big Boss have been working on are concluded with MGS4.. Solids story is also concluded.. With the time between 2 and 4 being not a great deal in length.. He really hasn't got much story to tell either.. Solids story went forward.. The Boss' story went forwards and backwards to stop at a paradox wormhole about who really controls truth and events beyond those actually there?. Its interesting at least to me.

exactly, i believe the lack of mission 51 is intentional, and the game is still good without it, it is just a different metal gear, not bad just different

@@ub180bomber5 lol what a BS fanboy statement

@@Plasmacat1 how? Either show evidence that the mission 51 was removed for lack of time or shut up

Snake of Rivia the irony of someone with a MGS avatar calling someone else a fanboy. 😂 while commenting on a post made over a year ago on a video made over 4 years ago. About a game that came out almost 5 years ago. Ironic is it not? Someone seems to be a closet fanboy themselves lol

I personally don't have a problem with Kojima subverting the audience's expectations, that is what made me fall in love with the story in the first place. My problem with MGSV stems from the fact that there _was_ next to no story. Sure, the first mission is great and in like 5 total missions you actually get cutscenes reminiscent of previous MGS games but Venom does little to no talking, there are almost no cutscenes at all and there are no twists that are like the previous twists in the franchise. It just feels like an empty world with repetitive gameplay. In other words, the exact opposite of literally all other MGS games. "But isn't it great that the fans wanted a story but got almost none!?" No, that sucks.

Good critique yeah even if many of the issues are issues if his own creation. There is a reason why there are options for objective markers, reflex time and all that. If you find it too easy and something to exploit. Fucking turn it off! Missions become more intense without spotting markers and so on. I always find it frustrating when people complain about things that they could fix with a flip of a switch. Fuck.

@@vrapbrap you can also write a great story for this game yourself but it's not gonna change the failed pacing and filling of this game's story. Stuff like this should be better thought out as to not be hidden behind options menu. That's what critique is for.

+unassumption You can respect it if it has a real effect on people like it promised because of how well done the effect is. Here is just confusing because the game is unfinished.

Intentionally making an underwhelming experience can have its merit if, the experience then becomes not overwhelming. Tomorrow is October 6 take a look

Hating MGSV is just the cool thing to do these days, it's a fantastic game. My personal favourite

no exagerration i had goosebumps reading your 'review', great read.

I think you may be right, I feel like these "flaws" were intentional. To paint a picture of how things led to mgs1. How a hero becomes a villian through constant suffering and losses.

they played us like a damn fiddle..

you do the same and even more things in peace walker...mgs v is just the same and worse

+PoliteTimesplitter It's got this real Star Wars prequel feel where Anakin effectively is evil at the end of Episode 2 but you just kind of see the plot wandering about confused in the third. They make it that BB is evil by the end of 3. It's unsatisfying.

TheBigBovy That's actually a great way of putting it. For all the flaws Attack of the Clones had, it ended with a great 'oh shit' moment seeing the clone troopers behind the giant cruisers that now looked like Star Destroyers and seeing Palpatine start to resemble the emperor. Episode 3, not too dissimilar to TPP, has some great technical aspects but it doesn't trust the fan's ability to interpret and deduce the rest of the narrative.

+Jaqen HUN Lol, yeah, KOjima had 5 years and a 100 million dollar budget, but Konami has the fault.

Jaqen HUN yeah, true enough, I phrased that poorly. Maybe just his work / writing process isn't a good one and he should have prioritised getting a better ending out.

+Jaqen HUN Most of that time was just building the FOX engine though. His studio was in the red during that whole time and took forever. MGSV was not properly in development since 2010

Too bad it was fake. There's still nuclear weapons there

@@Victor.Herbert It wasn't fake. It's not like once it happens that feature is gone from the game, people are still going to build them. It actually did happen, datamined versions didn't play the entirety of the actual cutscene/message.

@@Victor.Herbert Shut yo bitch ass up

@@arbiter- it was probably just an integer overflow just like on other platforms. There is no way all the nukes could be disarmed with the amount of cheaters in online.