Heavily agree. I think MGS GZ makes Omega work by being its own place, as well as tying in Cold War era events as well as organizations. For example, a mission has Snake taking on two US combat personnel that caused massive amount of casualties to the communist forces in Vietnam. Considering the US completely lost the war that year, it totally makes sense as to why the KGB would ask Kaz to ask his boss to take out the pair, since they could do so without any sort of retaliation. A prisoner in the main GZ mission also mentions how various intelligence agencies like MI6, BND, ISI (who play a huge role in MGSV, just in the background), all came together under one roof for nefarious purposes. Especially with how dark the US was during the Vietnam and Cold War period, Camp Omega represents that extremely well.

Busted.

Meth BUST

Yo, he turned heel when he rejected that handshake in 3.

if your talking about the Presidents handshake I would'nt say that that was the start of his descent per say but it was definatly a turning point in his life.

RogueDragon05 Yeah, I suppose the actual 'ooh! Screw this!' mindset had to develop while he stewed.

Basicly Zero wants to control the worlds unity through information and his control of it... Big Boss wants to control the worlds unity through military force and his control of it... they both forgot what they were fighting for when they became mortal enemies. Any zeloet will know that when you become obssesed with the enemy you become the enemy... only difference is your on the other side of the fence

I've always assumed that he turned heel while saluting at The Boss' grave. The way his expression changes in that scene shows me he's turning.

roler42 The song is also played in MGS4 but its a different version.

He was supposed to appear in Phantom Pain, possibly having gone through the skull treatment. Maybe a male Quiet.

@Gubbins Chico betrayed... first the Sandinistas in Peace Walker and then Big Boss in Ground Zeroes... i agree that he goes through a bunch of trauma, but if Chico hadn't died in the helicopter crash, he would have been a dead man soon after

Hello from GAF rofl. -DracoBlade

princedraco5 Oh Hi there :D

I'm with you. I just think it's a good, enjoyable story.

Welp, now I don't need to make my comment anymore.

I feel the same, George does pose a great argument but it really is very subjective. Personally I have no issues with the darker tone and continuity, I'll treat TPP as its own game and judge it that way. Besides, I don't think a more lighthearted tone would fit where the story is leading with Big Boss turning into a villain and it definitely wouldn't sit right with the heavy themes he's trying to express.

unassumption It's been around since 1903 but from 2002 (to present) it has been used for suspected terrorist. And that is specifically what GZ is drawing inspiration from.

EliasFrostMusic Officially it was opened as a prison in 2002, but extra-officially? You must remember this is MGS. Camp X-Ray existed in 1975.

Santiago Vásquez Gómez You sure about that, I can't find a source.

EliasFrostMusic This is MGS. The military base inside Guantánamo exists since 1903, that´s a fact. MGS always deals with extra-official truths. In this context, Snake had to infiltrate in a military base in Guantánamo to rescue a couple of "friends".

Santiago Vásquez Gómez What do you mean with extra-official truths?

Wouldn't the tape delete that and replace it with him though?

Isaac Argesmith Just over the part he's recording over. And depending on the status of the hardware ( both tape and recorder ) you could even still get some leftover sounds from the original recording.

I disagree does GZ feel more like a MGS game yes buuut that is why TPP must be seen as it's own entity

@@The-Big-Boss you're pretty good

@@AutistikWaldo that was some fancy shooting *YOU'RE* pretty good

dude phantom pain was the biggiest dissappointment of my life. Ground zeroes was great at hyping it up major along with the e3 trailers i watched everyday

It's hard to believe big boss is a bad guy, when you are a fanboy

+AydarBMSTU Calm down, kid. You don't even know the meaning of fanboy.

It's a tick bunnyhop has. SJ crap sometimes pops out. But I never quite though of BB as a villian BEFORE GZ. PW DID have him make a private army that fought for money and had death mechs and nukes at their disposal run by a man that still believes in Santa Clause. BB seemed like a nice guy cause he looked like Snake and Snake was a hero...who shot dudes, broke their necks and ruined a kids life via proxy. And the arguement for it's tone is understandable. MGS was always a series that had silly, serious and wack ass moments. This game itself is coming off an attempt to get a bunch of manga and K-on lovers to play a MGS game and tries to include stuff like torture, rape, and mass murder with Hollywood actors and cheesy sudo-intellectual songs. Can't do that too well with an IP like Metal Gear or that well from a man who loved the movie Drive. Seriously, that movie was shit! Kojima has no damned taste! Also, Did you know Quiet is actually Chico? Kid couldn't pass the taste test so divided to grab a moss nugget and get some total boobage to make up for the death of his waifu. Or that's what the internet says anyway.

Greatnocturn I had a difficult job following your rant, but what I can say is that Drive is a great movie.

Oh yeah bro, Metal Gear Solid is SO SERIOUS AND EDGY!!! Bomb in vagina? NEXT-FUCKIN LEVEL MOTHERFUCKERS!

Greatnocturn Drive too slow for you? I enjoyed it for it's unconventional story.

angrytoad1 pls go back to /v/. Throwing buzzwords like "edgy" isn't exactly proving your point.

I think what he's trying to say is that the wacky shit isn't what doesn't work in Metal Gear; what doesn't work in Ground Zeroes specifically is that that wacky shit is nearly gone. NGE is kind of a bad example because, unlike Metal Gear, it doesn't have 25 years of wacky yet serious aesthetic coming before it in its specific universe. It doesn't have, what, 7 or 8 different series all centered around this aesthetic.Metal Gear does, and while Ground Zeroes can still be serious, I think what most people are concerned about is this very wide jump is aesthetic and tone and feel. If this were a new game without the baggage MGS has to contend for, it wouldn't have to jump these hurdles. But it does, and the game feels like it's struggling to find a balance between what it was and what it wants to become.

That makes sense. I suppose it coming right off of Peace Walker like George mentioned definitely makes it a jarring turn. I like the turn, but I get how strange and drastic it may come across for others.

Mitchell Hammond I agree, I liked the game a lot and I like that it's going in a more serious direction. However I don't think Ground Zeroes was perfect, and it did feel like an awkward balancing act for Kojima. How do we delve into issues like this while still keeping the game Metal Gear? It's not easy, and I'm not surprised that the transition is a bit hard for a lot of people to swallow.

This is a really interesting intersection of Ideas you bring up. In general the entertainment/ 'show cannon' for lack of a better term intersecting with real world events and philosophies does create a hard intersection. I guess I feel the difference here is the use of events or philosophies. In Eva the heavy bizzare intersection comes from religious ideals, Dada ism, Freudian philosophy in a pure form, and metacontexuality. Which is more akin to MGS2. In this Part 1 of MGS V, the intersection as clearly pointed to in the video doesn't really come from philosophy but events and places. Guantanmo, before it exists tied to a political movement that never happened for XYZ and the characters may have their own reasons or philosophy but none of that seems to be on the level of mech development in the story. It's nuance and part of the fiction. Also I feel a key difference between MGS and EVA is the continuity. Even mechs in these prequels create an issue as the more there are the less novelty and awe 'Metal Gears' have, as apparently there were a glut of pre-branded mechs prior to that line. So what makes it a 'Metal Gear' and not a Peacewalker, and just things like that come in on themselves. Where as EVA always rebuilds or does a sojo line as the property continues. Each set in their own universe, avoiding the continuity problem all together. -or- TLDR: MGS:has continuity problems. EVA: Always reboots when they do a new thing.

even if you used EVA I can see your point, theres a lot of seinen that touches this dark themes in a similar way and at the same time they have some humour and a lot of fantasy/sci fi elements like yes, giant robots/mechs... maybe is something cultural, I dont know, something from Yoshiyuki Tomino or Kentarou Miura that have a lot of important messages despite the giant mechas or elfs the thing is, i dont think he even payed attention when playing Peace walker or if he just using whats convenient to him for this critic if he thought MGS was something like "tom clancy novels with marvel fantasy" he should have notice that IS NOT a long time ago... I only watched his MGS annalysis videos and they are nice even when we are years away from the games launch and theres a lot of writing analysis and theories since those days but i think he is not familiar with seinen or mechs and Japanese cyberpunk and also he is a pc gamer so...

Yeah, sure that part does, which is interesting. But the place the game hints at does not look like a tropical jungle whatsoever.

The crocs snakes and mongees are in Russia tho

I live in Primorsky krai and we don't have MGS3 kind of forests at all. Svyatogorniy I guess is the closest to what we have. And also, it located in Asia near Chinese border literally thousands of kilometrs away from where it showed in the game.

I used to live there, it doesn't look like mgs3 really. Stop being a petty bitch

Yup, I've provided two links in the description from two different perspectives. One from an Australian media agency, the other from the US Pentagon's own media agency.

And yet it was Solid Snake who accomplished The Boss's dream.

Malvo McVeigh how the fuck is big boss not a villain he threatens the world with huge robots and nuclear weapons when he's not trying to hide them from the UN he feeds on other people's wars and makes money causing death and destruction he kidnaps war orphans and turns them into soldiers his "nation of soldiers free of politics who can make their own destiny" is just an overglorified huge group of dirty mercenaries who can only exist as long as there is war and chaos in the world pretty sure you're the one misunderstanding the character

***** Nope. He recruited child soldiers, found Kaz by snatching him and killing his comrades before recruiting him into his group, left Kaz to pursue building Zanzibar Land, used one of his men as a shield/decoy, kept nuclear weapons as a deterrent, lied about keeping said nuclear weapons, lied about his ideology of MSF, and believes that perpetual war is the best. He pretty much did all that to fulfill a dying woman's words (which he may have misinterpreted) which he came into question about why she left him alive. Point is that Big Boss ain't no tragic hero he's a tragic villain like Zero. He crossed every line he could and in the end regretted his actions.

Can we all meet halfway and say Big Boss is a bad guy who does bad things and was made that way by other bad people who did bad things to him?

Guilty Bystander the point he made wasn't whenever or not these missions are canon. The point was how silly and cartoony these missions made the game. Ground Zeroes is a game that isn't cartoony at all.

XrosBlader821 GZ isn't but TTP is. it still has cartoony stuff like box, horse shitting and fulton

Sudarsan Ragavan How is a horse shitting cartoony?

Sarge Comstat The sound effects are hilarious and you can make enemy jeeps slip off the road when they drive into a pile of shit :D

+XrosBlader821 finding the hidden xof patch is pretty cartoony

What he says is also absurd seeing as it implies hiding behind a cause (patriotism, nationalism, political ideology etc.) mitigates the kind of atrocities state militaries commit both in real life and in this fictional game and at least partly absolves them of their sins. Big Boss knows the system perverts politics into unethical military operations and seeks to operate outside this; hiding from the UN is an acknowledgement that MSF would be a very soft target if they rocked the boat. He's far from innocent, but you can see the good intentions behind his actions, and this is what makes the slide to villain such a interesting thing to observe.

Yeah, totally. Speaking of such defined lines of good and evil in Metal Gear lore and in Military Context makes little sense, and associating "good" with the UN is too simplistic - especially considering what I've come to expect out of this channel.

gabrieltdelima honestly kind of on your side on that and also may I add? I genuinely didn’t expect less from what seems to be a philosophy minor. Something you realize when taking his arguments. First, Snake eater, not jungle but swampy forest. Second, not Russia but the Soviet Union. Even in today’s Russia there are swamps mountains and forrrest. And there were even more in the Soviet Union counting all the countries like the Stans and the eurpean countries that separated from them on the 90’s, third ground zeroes more than a prefix to the phantom pain is more like an epilogue to peace walker if compare to snake eater where the campy jingoistic American patriotism its flip on its head by the end . The same happens with the very accurate but also campy feeling of Costa Rican people and the Sandinista in peace walker. And it works because at the end of snake eater he gave up in patriotism and in piece walker he gave up in humanity it self but the repercussions don’t hit till ground zeroes.

Also I don’t want anyone to think I meant philosophy minor as an insult he did a great job with metal gear solid two video. I just guess he study a minor while studying a major in something else. Because he kind of sucks at in geography and Latin American history. That from a Latin American myself I can tell Kojima did take into account.

@@marceloenriquegarciagarcia4754 Everything you said is wrong. Kojima literally went out of his way to make a jungle for MGS3, go look at all the press for it. He doesn't describe "swampy forest" (which is somehow inhabited by snakes, alligators and mosquitoes?), he literally says "jungle". Russia and USSR are basically interchangeable. Ground Zeroes is not an epilogue to Peace Walker at all except in a story sense, it was designed from the beginning to be the opening of Phantom Pain until Konami stepped in and told Kojima that he was spending to much time and money on a project that they believed did not justify it. The development of Peace Walker was so far removed from Phantom Pain that you can basically say that Snake Eater contained more inspiration for characterization, plot, etc.

They are amazing, but I feel that to fully understand the story, it is important to play them in order. #opinion

Random question: all these years later, did you play them? :) And if so, what did you think about them?

Me.

Uh huh

Its about time it got dark, otherwise its basically the A-team. Lots of guns, lots of shooting, lots of explosions but ZZz on the narrative. Portable Ops (which is now canon), and peace walker let me down.

Never realized it's been a Rainbow Brite cartoon myself, but I've no complaints as far as the maturity goes for MGSV

***** I guess to me I always figured that most of the "campy" elements were 4th wall breaking stuff and as such weren't "Really" part of the story so I just played it like the campy stuff was for me personaly and the serious shit was for the characters, sorta like two games for the price of one, I personally miss the 4th wall stuff alot now that I think about it, but at the same time I still enjoyed what I got.

MegaPhilX l always think of GZ like the Tanker Chapter. lt sets up to give us what we want and then the rest of the experience played us like a damn fiddle.

It was supposed to be like the tanker chapter, but it falls flat due to time constraints :/. I still think GZ is one of my favorites in the series in terms of gameplay and story, and gives a perfect setup to TPP buuut it just doesn't come through.

I felt like it was a lot more humanizing to her shift from evil villain Paz to the Paz in the secret tapes from PW. She loves everyone at Mother Base. She knows he doesn’t want to hurt her, and because he’s just an innocent kid, she comforts him in the best way she thinks possible. Still weird as heck and makes me super uncomfortable, but isn’t excessive.

I want you to know that out of this entire comment section of fucking awful gamer takes, this one brought me closest to physically vomiting with disappointment before I gave up entirely.

@@TheSoulHarvester Your self righteousness had the exact same effect on me after i read your reply.

@@theazureknight9399 Well I don't remember the context for this ancient comment, but you should continue until you run out of organs.

The game it self calls it as an alternate universe mission. It takes place in the 70's and you play as a cyborg ninja from the future who is hunting body snatchers. Snatcher is a quite old game by Kojima. Oh and just a side note: high frequency blades need energy in order to work, and Raiden cannot get elecrolytes from non-robotic enemies.

Arexion5293 I know all that. I'm just sick of butthurt fans decrying Rising as a non-canon game because Raiden. Despite the fact that Kojima is fine with the game because he never gave a shit about the MGS timeline beyond 4 (Okay, he never actually cared for 4 itself, but Konami refuses to let him make anything else at this point.)

***** He never truly wanted a sequel in the first place, but he realised that he didn't want to see the series turn to trash after leaving it, so he worked on MGS2 and hard. And to be honest, I'm somewhat happy that they don't talk about happenings of MGS2 in 4 that much, since.. well, it's kinda supposed to be questionable if MGS2's events even truly happen. MGR is kinda a parody of MGS series as whole and at the same time it is a logical continuation, considering the technology. Harvesting brains of children sounds absurd, but in MGS universe, it somewhat fits, since they have developed the cyborg technology that far. And thus Raiden can see what his VR simulation could've been if he had been born later. So.. it's a strange mix of both parody and seriousness in one, which fits, since MGS has always been both goofy and serious. It's a succesful parody if you ask me. And Sam is probably one of my favourite boss fights of all time.

***** Well the truth is that Kojima himself said that it's a spin-off and he sees Revengeance as parallel-story taking place in parallel universe. /watch?v=n6OGvhlKNzw here's the video. So yeah,,,

***** Kojima's kind of lying there, or at the very least misremembering the torturous development of MGRR. /watch?v=gV1BMUg4NsA

Matthewmatosis did a good review of it, if you're interested in seeing over an hour long analytical review of the game.

NANOMACHINES. There, I did it for you. :)

Derkman And plenty of non-sensical fan service.

Really, please.

I can give you one right now Metal gear solid 4 is a game that relies way too heavily on its cutscenes to get its narrative across and moments and things from other games in the franchise. It ends up not feeling like its own entity by how much it borrows from past moments. The game play was solid although there really was no need for stealth unless you wanted to challenge yourself. I feel like he'd say something along those lines

He briefly mentions why he didn't do that in his MGSV review. He has some big problems with that game (he basically feels like franchise is not as good since MGS4-Peace Walker, that he turned away from it after those games or smth)

he did MGS5 :)

+AydarBMSTU but he did mgs v?

Ze Gogo read again - why he didn't do that IN HIS MGSV REVIEW. IN

+Appz Wrong. He calls MGS4 an indulgent spectacle, despite having massive problems. He considers V to be an even lesser game, with good mechanics, but that is all nearly mitagated by the horribly repetive and insipid mission structure, and a very lackluster story

Well, there's never been a better time to get into it than now with the Legacy pack.

+Kevin Goeltz He said he'll never do that because he can't take that game seriously at all

Guypersonmanthing3​ then she should do a review.

Kevin Goeltz ...that's what a critical close-up basically is.

Guypersonmanthing3​ Then just do a video about why it's bad XD

Kevin Goeltz Tell him that, and he doesn't really want to do it

Similar with Star Wars as well. The transition from E02 to E03 is quite ridiculously similar to PW and GZ, both darker tone wise and timeline wise as well, being that both stories take place in the middle of each cannon.

Did you miss the first 5 seconds of this video??The dark knight didn't deal with rape or REAL controversial issues like a militarized torture base full of REAL absolutely appalling transgressions against many innocent people committed by a REAL country claiming to be a center of justice and freedom???

XxM00nSHADExX So? What's the difference whether these are real or not? I'm asking you too Super Bunnyhop . It's an work of fiction and needs to be treated as such, that is being judged independently of the real world unless the creator states otherwise. One more time, why do plot elements of a work of fiction need to be overly scrutinized for mere resemblance?

Do you have a vagina? do you knwo what a fuckign BOMB using to RAPE a woman that looks like she is 14 years old mean?

Batman isn't a good thing to compare to since batman gets rebooted for each now outing or series of outings. Batman has also been around since the earlier parts of the last century. Also - yes, it is more disturbing to shove a bomb into a 14yo girls vagina than to place one in the chest of anyone, including the same 14yo girl.

+Redgrave192 Yep. The funniest part is that half of the 2013 Redband trailer's content is either in Ground Zeroes or not in either GZ nor TPP

+Redgrave192 or you just dont understand TPP

Felipe Palha What is their to understand when Kojima obviously didn't care about the story?

+Felipe “Brando” Palha I don't think anybody does

+Redgrave192 My thoughts exactly. The game's story was a severe disappointment.

The community you're referring to has long since left the sinking ship. With MGS4 and the ever growing ridiculousness of the Big Boss games came a new breed of dim witted fanboys.

Colonel Cubbage It's funny how the fanboys said that this game isn't comical while there're are giant robots and a pseudo-vampire in the game.Not to mention how childish and cheesy the dialogue were in the old games.

Really. I guess George is really wise by not making a video about MGS4. Kojima's fanboys are delusional.

I think most people agree mgs4 is not very good though, it was kinda the black sheep of the series before mgs5 bombed in the story department.

It wasn't the difficulty, it was something where you have to go out of your way to get it. Think about it, how many Extra Ops did you have to complete to get the next Zadornov chase mission? The Zeke parts you had to get as well. The true ending happens well after the ending that many people got and were done with the game since they didn't care for those Extra Ops. And those people were completely out of the loop because of it.

To me, it was obvious to find the rest of the zeke parts, I really didn't care for the extra ops. Maybe the ending was intended for people who didn't just play the game and laid down the controller and said "that's it" as soon as the credits rolled.

Napline Wander It wasn't incredibly obvious. The fact that you had Zadornov perpetually captive (well, except when he escapes) was what made me think that something happens when you keep catching him. Though I though you unlock new maps and gear, not another plot point.

Why would you think that? The Zadornov missions were classified as main missions, therefore they had to have built on the main story (which they did).

Napline Wander There weren't any major cutscenes between the ending and where you confront Zadornov for the last time. Also, credits. Those usually get me to think the story is completed.

Why did he have it

harris aziz It has to do with the devil's house mission

+iDragonarion I know I am replying to this a month or so late. But I just want to say that what you wrote is excellent and seems very thought through - so unlike many of the others under this video. I wish more people, especially on this forsaken website, would be as sensible in their argumentation as you. Perhaps much of it comes down to simple maturity, which a large portion of KZfaq users most likely are not able to demonstrate yet.

*****

+iDragonarion Metal Gear Solid largely has a fantastic story, or fantastic concepts that can be interpreted differently without being inaccurate (Big Boss being a hypocrite for his "no nations" nation, but also being driven by making a "no nations" nation for soldiers who were abandoned by their government; he's both, and not simply one or the other). I also feel like the general "shock factor!" complaints about critics is equivalent to First World Problems. Yeah, a rape scene in a fucking Metal Gear game is outta nowhere, but people saying "this wasn't done in a mature or tasteful way" seriously don't seem to understand the sheer lack of moral consciousness in demanding a "better rape scene." Like, seriously. A rape scene is meant to be uncomfortable. I cannot make a rape scene comfortable. Complain all you want about it being "immature," but I'd rather highlight a problem that you seem to be refusing to acknowledge.

Lamsaturn What? The reason behind Big Boss' inability to gain support from Bunnyhop stems from him being a dick. In MGS3, he was able to play on Big Boss still being somebody who had his morals in tact. As for Sutherland, I'm liking the idea of him being Big Boss. It's not as iconic, but whatever. I guess I can write it off as Big Boss's transition into Richard Doyle mode.

Tooopper Though I have grown to accept that Hayter isn't coming back and that perhaps his voice would not fit in the first place, I still feel Sutherland performance in GZ is pretty poor. It just sounds like he phoned it in. He often sound way to cold or uninterested in what's happening around him. It would make more sense if he started acting like that later on in PP, when he's become a "Demon". Now I'm just sitting here, wishing they'd picked someone else for Big Boss back in MGS3

I guess our ears work differently, because I thought he did a decent job. Hayter, as iconic as he is, didn't have the best acting skills. His voice matched, but for the most part, his dialogue rarely expressed emotion. At the same time, Naked Snake is a soldier who learned to separate feelings from the mission. So though he has his quips, he has always been somewhat cold in nature. Sutherland doesn't change it up much. GZ, though fun, was pretty humorless. The tone was dark, the setting was dark, the story was dark, etc. Sutherland had to play Serious Snake for the entire run time. I hope in PP, they revive some of the comic relief in some form, but to some extent, I can see why it disappoints you. Still, I think Sutherland's acting skills there wasn't the problem as much as it was the tone of the game he had to play in.

Tooopper You were not at all bothered by the fact that he almost slurs out "Keptchuwaitinghuuh" ? Or "she surfifed". I agree Hayter isn't the best, but atleast he sounds slightly interested in what's going on

Josef Stalin And you weren't bothered how a majority of Hayter's line was taking the last two words said to him with a question mark at the end? Or how Hayter didn't act so interested because his voice is pretty much at the same tone 90% of the game? If you want to get really critical about it, none of them are really of great quality, but at the same time, I'm not expecting excellence in acting, because a majority of MGS acting is anything but excellent.

It's an obvious joke.

BrimusPungle that could be very fucking well rooted in truth. On my first playthroughs I realized that we dont see Big Boss' face moving as he speaks and I thought that happened so we wouldnt be so weirded out about it. Now I realize the reason for that is MOTION CAPTURE WITH KIEFER SUTHERLAND PROBABLY IS EXPENSIVE AS FUCK

This is true but look on the bright side: the amazing facial acting will be right along with it. It could make for a much more subdued, subtle, performance. Should be great.

***** hmm that's really interesting, i didnt know that...I wonder if he is still expensive in vg midia? anyway, thanks for the comment

It's not clear that Sutherland gets payed by the line. Even if he was, Kojima knew what he was doing before he started. More likely than not Kojima is just making an artistic decision. He's moving towards show, don't tell; replacing codex with subtle character body language. We're also seeing a villainous snake and making him more quite might be a way of giving more distance and allow us to judge his actions.

He is an ethnocentric Westerner. I bet he'd find Kabuki awkward as hell.

Why? Is there a rule that forbids men to wear make up or a beautiful kimono?

Suwat Saksri I was talking more about the red/white hair banging.

I have to agree, everything he says seems to be more a childish thought that hasn't been fully developed or thought through. For example, stating guantanamo style prisons would be unrealistic before 9-11? This is an alternate reality universe where the state of war and conspiracy has been far more progressive at a much earlier period so it's not unrealistic at all. Not being able to take the serious and the entertainment aspects as separate pieces (such as the talking cat) belittles the point of the entire series since it's always been a far more serious game than comedic but simply has surreal comedy and elements such as the psycho mantis controller and memory card jokes. Did it mean the past character progression, serious tones and great story telling of MGS games was null because it had jokes though? Of course not. Wasn't able to agree with barely a single issue of this review. Sad that hive minds gave it so many upvotes just for speaking rot :(

lol i was about to say the same thing :) I like this guy too but this analysis is a little bit out of place. I see some misinterpretations in his thoughts about this game. But i liked his "critical close ups" about MGS.

Never have I felt my opinion so concisely and effectly summarized

klumpos Comparishun

Lmao it's like in that Simpsons episode where Homer couldn't spell it. Fucking Americans not even knowing their language, never fails to make me laugh.

This could just be a speech impediment... there's no need to pick out such tiny details and blow them up in such a well prepared discussion video.

Ara Ara It's not their language. They just kept it when they were done with their rebellious teenager phase.

The tonal shift is one of my favourite things in MGS V TPP ! Like , one minute you're sending russians into the sky with baloons to the sound of Take On Me and the next you're playing mission 43

hersh23 Yeah, the first time I saw it in the trailer I was really grossed out for some reason. Having the jack of the airphones in your chest is f*cked up!

I was thinking the same, still f*cked up tho :p

It's weird how you, along with others in these comments, think I'm not a "true MGS fan." I'm guessing you haven't taken a long look at this channel's most popular videos?

No, I haven't, because after seeing how ridiculous some of the things you were saying in the first video I watched on the channel, I wasn't interested in the other videos. You may be a fan, but a lot of the points you made about Ground Zeroes weren't fair, or didn't make sense. You can't say Peace Walker isn't a serious game because of a few silly bonus missions, they have nothing to do with the main story. MGS has always had a serious story, with an added supernatural element, when it came to the characters, mainly the bosses. It's never been a silly game though. Was it silly when Old Snake was crawling through a tunnel of microwaves, basically cooking himself? Or when Naked Snake killed his mentor? Or how about when Naked Snake was being tortured? Did you think those were un-serious scenes that deserved a laugh?

That's not what I said. Don't twist my words. He may be a fan, but he's wrong about the games not having a serious tone. The story has always been serious, it's not a Disney game ffs.

+Joe Warnock yeah, you haven't. Then go and check them out, you will see how stupid you look when you write your complaints

+Joe Warnock Yup, MGS1 kept a solid serious tone even as you had to stare a soldier's asses in an attempt to find Meryl...

The point wasn’t about whether or not that mission is canon but rather how PW was directed to younger audiences with a light-hearted tone, the given example being that mission.

@@evan_6594 He specifically says "A direct SEQUEL to this" (shows palico from monster hunter) The monster hunter OPTIONAL content isn't a "sequel" to anything because it isn't canon.

A demo which costs 40 dollars? LOL no

With the crocodile hat. Please.

It's called Fulton Recovery. It's a real thing. Look it up.

Oh I believe that, just not that it was used to instantly make enemy soldiers join your merc group.

I always love watching his old reviews and him saying "comparishun."

Thanks, George Bush.

Trust me, you can hear one of Skullfaces men unzip his fly then drag her away. Then the tape skips and then comes back to him thrusting into her as she moans. It wasn't at all implied.

Thunder .Jack Maybe I just didn't notice that, she seemed to moan pretty much all the time (although for different reasons). Still, I think they handled it decently well. I mean, it IS supposed to be distasteful and all that.

Oliver Kjølner I agree, the contrast between the Paz tapes and the Chico tapes really set the tone. I don't think Kojima could have done it better.

Iamsofakingraw You're intended to do most (though not all) of the side ops, and thus unlock/beat the sixth Zadornov search mission, then find Zadornov in your base. Although, each successive Zadornov mission also appears if you just keep replaying older missions, so that contributes to the fact that you don't need to play literally every side ops mission.

Very well put. I was actually a complete 180 from your stance when I first heard about the second bomb (haven't actually played GZ yet...), but you made a pretty good point and have changed my mind on it. Grant it, I have only heard people talk about it, I haven't actually seen any of this yet. I think people in general also got to also take into consideration that while MGS may have an American feel to it, it IS a Japanese game. Japan has a considerably different culture than us, certain things are not tabooed there that is there and vice versa, so maybe this isn't as bad from a Japanese stand point? I wouldn't know, but I'm just saying one should look at the entire context of something before making a judgement on it.

While I don't think you should throw feminists under the bus, I think your point is valid. Many feminists, myself included, have written about and discussed the double standard between sex and violence, and much of what you're saying is deeply reflected in our political, social and cultural landscape. There's also an important distinction between sex as a physical act or psychological desire and sexuality as a concept independent of physical intimacy or liaisons. When Paz gets a bomb implanted in her vagina, it reflects the violation of personal space that occurs when someone has been sexually assaulted. The vagina isn't just a bunch of folds of skin tucked between one's legs. Because of years of concerted efforts to repress women's sexuality while also objectifying them, the vagina has somewhat ironically turned into this sacred organ. It's one of the reasons why the virgin/whore complex is such a massive component of how we've come to view sexuality in Western society and abroad. Turning Paz's vagina into a weapon both dehumanizes her and it highlights what lengths we are willing to go to conduct acts of war. As you suggested, taking a militaristic, utilitarian approach to a woman's private parts highlights what sort of sociopathic pragmatism we are willing to adopt to kill our enemies. I think that's ultimately what the fuss is about, and again, while I agree with your basic observation, I don't think it's entirely fair to reject the psycho-sexual and ideological implications of weaponizing a woman's vagina. Sex and sexuality do not exist in a vacuum. They permeate every facet of our lives - political, social, religious, cultural, economic, etc. If they took a male character and sodomized him or placed a bomb in his penis, I'd argue much of the same. It's not enough to just take a strictly clinical view of the human body and say "well, it's just a vagina". Purely scientifically speaking, we're just upright standing apes with big brains and opposable thumbs. But we also have ideas, beliefs and issues we take personally, including using our bodies as instruments of destruction, whether through coercion or volition. Whether we like it or not, we are moral beings, and that includes our moral inclination towards sexuality. And believe me, I'm saying this as a feminist who has a big problem with people screaming bloody murder when Janet Jackson's tit shows up during the Superbowl despite the fact that the news has no problem showing people basically getting mutilated everyday. You'd probably be surprised to see how many gender studies critics (including feminists) would agree with your premise, although I think the conclusions you are drawing based on that premise are incorrect. As you said, it makes perfect tactical sense, but it really drives home what kind of fucked up person would want to do that, same with putting a bomb in someone's stomach. It's really not too different from suicide bombers, child soldiers and protesters who go on hunger strikes. I think the question we should take away from Paz's situation, sex politics set aside, is "what are you willing to do to yourself and those around you to win the war?" As for the people saying it's a Japanese game and therefore "very different" or some such. I strongly disagree. I really feel that people grossly overestimate the reach and depth of cultural exchange and globalization, especially in today's digital environment. I have a strong formal and personal understanding of Japanese culture and I've never even set foot in the country. Many Japanese scholars and other nationals can assert that I've got a pretty decent grasp of the culture despite not having been there. The same is true for Japanese people viewing American culture. They know quite a bit about us, and their academic and social interpretations tend to be very accurate. Of course the Japanese have a different culture than ours, but people keep using the "Japanese games are culturally alien" argument so much that they're making it seem as though the Japanese are from another galaxy. While I haven't seen anyone here do this, it also strikes me as culturally insensitive to presume that the Japanese just stumble around with it comes to the values of other cultures - that they're too stupid or just don't know any better, and offensive things just kind of fall into their games. It's condescending. Yes, the Japanese are quite different from us in many ways, but they're not a different species operating on a different brain wavelength or something. Kojima likely put two and two together and hopefully realized for a moment that some people are going to be uncomfortable with a female getting a bomb shoved into her ladybits and her torso.

matsuringo24, brother or sister, I feel you. I totally agree with the fact that we as a society would rather see a "Cool Murder" than a subtle mention of a sexual organ. I still can't wrap my mind around that one. Violence not sex, what kind of world are we living in people? And how is everyone suddenly an expert on the art of another, something they, themselves had nothing to do with. Please, enjoy the ride or get the fuck off, please (just my opinion).

***** I'm pretty certain you missed my point entirely.

***** Uh...No, sunshine. Thanks for playing, but you guessed wrong. If anything, I was arguing, among other things that no doubt flew right over your head, that female sexuality being a sacred concept is part of what has caused some problematic gender roles. Holding women up as these virtuous, chaste little angels and then getting surprised when they do morally reprehensible things is a major issue that negatively affects both men and women. I actually don't have much of a problem with the whole vagina bomb issue in and of itself. It's bizarrely interesting, to say the least. While I don't know how in the hell (or why) you went through the pseudo-intellectual gymnastics of suggesting that I'm devaluing human rights in favor of feminism, I don't want to know because something tells me you'll just rant away with the same drivel about how "social justice warriors", feminist critics and "white knights" make you throw a hissy fit if they even entertain the possibility that there might be a narrative subtext to what Kojima is saying about women and the human condition in general. I do, however, agree with the author of this video when he suggests that it's a bit off-putting when you account for the schizophrenic, manic-depressive tone for which the Metal Gear Solid series is notorious. Hey, let's get a wonderfully insightful and intelligent commentary on the psychological implications of the military-industrial complex. Oh wait. a guy named Psycho Mantis is telling me how much I like to play Castlevania. Hey, let's explore the geopolitical ramifications of the nuclear arms race and what effect it has had on the global economy. Oh wait. There's a naked dude doing cartwheels while his supervisor is telling him (you) to turn the Playstation off. Hey, let's illustrate what happens when a legendary soldier is forced to come to terms with his impending obsolescence and his inevitable mortality. Oh wait. Some dude is running around with irritable bowel syndrome and a guy named Revolver Ocelot is making hammy speeches because your dead twin brother is possessing him via his formerly severed hand. Some chick gets a bomb planted in her guts and her ladybits, and some people astutely note that there might be something symbolic about it insofar as it is thematically significant. I mean, this is Kojima we're talking about, for Christ's sake. There's no telling what's running through that head of his, and it is both the series' greatest strength and its greatest weakness. In my opinion, at least. And you know what? It's perfectly fine to disagree with that analysis, but A.) don't be so damn juvenile about it if you do disagree and B.) form a rational counterargument with at least some semblance of scholarship and civility. But of course, the typical response from some people in cyberspace is basically throwing a series of vulgarity-laden childish temper tantrums about how those mean old progressives are ruining our precious games by engaging in this horrible, detestable little thing called critical analysis. How dare you read into the stuff I like or don't like! I mean, really. It's like the mindset of a 4-year-old who kicks and screams and refuses to understand why he can't eat chocolate and hang upside-down on the monkey bars all day. You don't seem to understand how arguments work, especially since you haven't really substantiated your "perspective" with anything of empirical merit. Bonus points for the juvenile rhetoric that doesn't really address the issues raised by either me or the video. He made some strong points, and the bit about Paz's bombs was REALLY not that big of a deal, contrary to what some other commenters here seem to have registered. But go ahead. Call me a feminazi, a white knight, the ever-so-popular "fag" or whatever the fuck else is popular right now. Keep lexically bastardizing the word "literally" like so many other people do. Just keep massaging that fragile little ego of yours because lord knows the anonymity and physical displacement of the Internet gives you a false sense of security like it does with so many other people online.

Yes brother, yes.... everyone should read this post. While I respect the opinions of everyone involved in this conversation it is important to understand what we're discussing. A Game, fiction, mature content, viewer digression is advised.

He was, either on his knees on the floor or sitting on the bench, but he was never standing.

Yeah this dude doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Parry Nguyen I commented before in another coment for this video but I’ll have to say it again...bunnyhop doesn’t seem to know much at all about the Cold War even less about geography and pretty much noting about American interference in Latin America and america’s imperialist history. Something that kojima did research very well for the Peace Walker . Okay Guantanamo’s purpose wasn’t extrajudicial interrogation tactics before 9/11 but is it surprising from the guys that infected Guatemalan prisoners with syphillisw in a very MK Ultra-like experiment with out even telling them. Same guys that before and after the Cuban misil crisis kept flying “spy” planes (in quotes cause in reality there were and are always spotted cause SURPRISE!! These are non very discreet) and also kept sabotaging the Cuban government by introducing plagues to their crops and diseases to there farm animals. The guys that till the late 90’s have a school IN AMERICAN SOIL that originality was IN FEAKING PANAMA with the sole purpose to train militars of right wing Latin American countries to turn them into paramilitary death squads, showing them the best torture techniques. Okay Guantanamo didn’t torture til after 9/11 what a fucking oversight bro!!! You really show a inconsistency there.