Probably the best analysis of this scene I have read

on point

I think that is kind of the point the cohen's are going for here. There's a man with a family dead at the bottom of a lake and they just brush it off and casually cover up the murder. It's not because anyone failed to do their job or failed to do a relatively adequate job. Bureaucracy just swallowed him up and the miniscule impact his life had is the punchline.

Indeed. the only downside is the utterly incompetent and wildly irresponsibly stupid decision making. "Oh no, don't share any information about the most pertinent piece of physical evidence that we haven't even identified - burn that"

Shame the CIA has a track record for mass murder. Nice working atmosphere while they're funding right-wing paramilitary death squads to overthrow a democratically elected leader they cannot manipulate.. so, uh, yay?

What were you trying to get a PhD in?

@@Garrus1995 computer science, formal methods

@@najtofnin2009 Intersting. I’m sure you were still able to land a good job without the PhD, yeah?

@@Garrus1995 Actually, I just started one recently. Whether it's good or not I don't know yet, but it is fairly well paid. I was lucky enough to have skills which are applicable outside academia, I think CS people in general have the best options when quitting a PhD.

@@Garrus1995 You don't need a phd in CS to get a good paying job in the field.

Yes

😂

@Matthew lol true. Funny thought.

#Mightaswellcallitwhitejack

he wasn't very good at running the spy business so he later got a job conducting bands

I’d fucc with that…

That could work

Actually it could just be the comedic look at real world events, dealt with rationally and free from media hysteria.

For some reason that idea makes me think of "Yes Minister". You might check it out.

@@paulmurgatroyd6372 I think you just 1/2 described Clarke and Dawe kzfaq.info/get/bejne/adNlpNuL0sWuoYE.html

Yep, and then the higher clearance level guys seem less pompous. Just seems like cox was disliked on a personal level.

@@pretzelstick320 It was a crucifixion. What the fuck was Olsen doing there, anyway?

Oswald

​@@pretzelstick320 the restrained contempt on Palmer's face at 2:09 says it all.

@@pretzelstick320they crucified him

I've had a few. Grizzled veterans that just don't want the boat rocked, and have seen so much that very little rocks theirs. Most of them were also very supportive of us in the trenches - we do the work, make sure the boat don't rock, so keeping us happy, making sure that we're secure, its in the best interest of everyone involved and they made sure to back us up when there was a pinch.

He is the boss I aspire to be.

Deployed with one of these in charge as the Enlisted leader of my 30. Aside from being savvy at not letting us die, he definitely kept lots of us from killing ourselves by just being blunt fair and leaning towards justice for OUR plt

​@@MOW262he's not jaded. By the end of the movie he ends up giving one guy his freedom rather than kill him, gives one lady surgies and takes care of his people. He seems like actual Cia people. Normal highly intelligent people who use empathy to see whats going on and doesnt assign blame.

Today, or just in general?

Since 1963??? how much time you got?

They don't burn the body. Fake suicides, fake muggings, Put sick people in their homes.

@@slewone4905 Voice of experience speaking?

+ Novichok.

lighttakesthetree lol "Maybe Ozzy knows about him...."

Spare me.

and one dude's name was COX

Without regard to sex either. Pretty gross.

@@thebullybuffalo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yep, and the way the Director shrugs it off and says no biggie. Osbourne clearly was not as important as he thinks he was.

@@Mq6vL9Bu protip: if youre still an analyst and youre in your 50/60s... you're probably not very good at your job.

Palmer seems relieved he had the foresight to bust Cox down to a three before this all happened.

@@flapjaques He shows such a very subtle surprise and releave at 2:07 so well acted 😂😆 This whole scene is just deadpan comedy gold

flapjaques i took it as cox was level 3 before he was demoted

underrated movie for me... really not very popular but quite realistic I fear

Level 3, mo biggie

​@rumination2399 well yeah sometimes people just feel like they need to do something important. Doesn't matter in how high a position they are, what they already accomplished, but unless they can come and find do something "big" then it's all meaningless to them

I loved this movie and couldn't understand why the critics were so hostile to it. To me, it's weirdly like Fargo - the story of how the actions of selfish-centred, greedy and stupid people destroy the lives of everyone around them. Despite the supposedly lighter tone, I actually think it's even more cynical and black-hearted than Fargo was. Some of the characters in Fargo have good hearts and kindness, the nearly all the characters in Burn After Reading are just horrible people.

And a lonely insecure gym employee would rather have augment surgery instead of having free usage of gym equipment

same with lebowski..not so supposed to all make sense..postmodernism

NancySarcay

@@jon8004 Coen Brothers have said in interviews they were not trying to make any political commentary or sincere observation in this movie. The main theme was just exploring stupidity in all its various forms. It reminds me a lot of their first movie, "Blood Simple," except played for laughs instead of thrills. In each, we have a scenario involving many characters both related and orthogonal, with each character getting a view of a part of what is actually going on but not all of it. Each character mentally fills in the rest of the picture incorrectly, in a way that reflects that character's persona, especially their flaws. They inevitably act on the assumptions they've gleaned from their respective incorrect pictures, propelling events to their eventual absurd and horrific conclusion.

@@jon8004 damn bro u love this movie

@@tchoupitoulos aren't they the cohen sisters these days?

LOL, basically backs what 90-something % of the comments are about! But it is true. Sometimes, the Fat Cat government has no idea WTF it's doing...

To be fair, i don't think anyone has any idea what is going on. Everyone is sleeping with everyone and someone ended up dead but it wasn't the people sleeping with each other?

reminds me of the time I had to tell my boss about finding a homeless dude at our work and the only thing she wanted to know is what happened to a set of keys she gave one of my coworkers 🤷‍♂

“That guy”? Please show appropriate respect when talking about Sledge Hammer.

To be fair the dude told a story that needed a large bulletin board with photos and color-coded string connecting everyone’s relationships.

That line is so awesome

The best part is that next time you see him is at the end of the movie and he basically says none of this makes sense and we didn't learn anything. HA!

"I guess we learned not to do it again...fucked if I know what it is we did."

This whole shit was nonsense at all 😂😂！

She umm, wants some surgery for...PAY IT!

He's writing a Memoare!

It's the only thing he was completely sure of and he was excited to answer

Haha, no Q clearance? No problem. ^^

Well he says they all seem to be sleeping with eachother and that's taboo so he doesn't want to know the details really. It's sort of important though since the sex might be the motive for a crime of passion.

@@AnnaLVajda Not really with the CIA or Intelligence Agencies in general, as far as sex being seen as a taboo. Realistically, taboos in general are not a thing with spy agencies. Any job where you might have to ride shotgun in a flatbed truck with a bunch of people in the back that will be sold at the next location and you do nothing about it, a little thing like some people having sex with each other is not going to phase you.

He also just seems really confused, probably nervous something else is going on beyond what it appears, but alas, no.

You can tell that Palmer was afraid that he was gonna get the business from the Director for his fuckup until the Director just brushed it off.

There were several procedures- JK: PAY IT!!! 😂😂😂

Makes me think of the movie "Brazil"

And how fucked up people are working for

Thank you for Putin's personal message, Boris.

I would guess the world has gotten far too complicated for any bunch people in suits to know what's actually going on.

@@stefan1924 very good point

They also happen to be really good at ruining/ending people's lives and completely getting away with it

@@Name-ck9pv that is the job

Everywhere the government is the same , humans are chaotic. peoples hands are tied in heirarchy and the chain goes on. big population equals to shitload of problems. The more diverse population the more hard it is to come to One decision. Furthermore there are corrupt people , but there are Good people too.

Join the police or military, and you'll find that out pretty quickly. In all fairness, upper-echelon law enforcement and military do a great job collecting and acting on intel...when it makes sense. ;-D

But also throwing coups and trafficking guns, drugs, and humans lol

Really is that why you're talking about it here on KZfaq?

And then there's the guy, you know the one, with the click-clack heel and toe tabs...

@@np494609 it's not top-secret that you've worked in intel, it's top-secret *what* you worked on in intel

S U C K *

Dress shoes that make that noise will typically have leather or wooden soles i believe. In my experience its fucking dumb because besides being noisy, they also have absolute no grip when the slightest bit of moisture covers the ground. Nevermind that they are unlikely to ever fit a healthy foot properly. Fashion and dress codes can be so dumb.

i rewatched that sentence a few times. I love how the different departments regard each other.

Spouses don't really care or ask in real life!

"I have no strong feelings one way or the other"

@@whispersmith "If I don't survive, Tell my wife "Hello""

Honestly Fifth house had the right of it. 99% of special forces and CIA, the spook types see their partner come home and they know not to ask rather they just accept "It was a day". It's much like the families of those in organized crime: The less you know, the less you can say if pushed for information. It's also easier on the conscience of your loved ones if you actually *DID* have to do something unpleasant in those super rare instances.

@@5thHouse They do. My sister was married to an NSA guy. She left him after too many instances of "I can't tell you who that woman is or how I know her".

The real question here isn’t why the body, it’s why the Bay?

CIA throws someone off the rooftop. Local Police with budget cuts : Suicide the most probable cause of death. Investigations still ongoing.

Its funny because its a split second of truth, why DID he do it? The guy was hiding in the closet - pretty sure you're allowed to shoot intruders like that.

Which is a retarded question; obviously he did it to try and hide the body.

For Christssake, did anyone fish the body out??? And Russian? American??? 😂😂😂😂 *Dont know, scrubbed of ID* lmbooooooo

It perfectly parodies other films where these guys are supposed to sum it all up and make it make sense. but they are just as clueless. xD

dats wat I love soooo much about this movie!!!!

afarmenian Bingo!

The audience knows exactly what's going on. We know why the situation unfolded and we know the characters' intentions, misguided as they may be.

Lol

The real problem with JK Simmons is that, completely without trying, he automatically steals any scene that he is in.

@@balok63a40hes just got authoritative vibe

I've watched Fargo, No Country for Old Men, and Burn After Reading and I agree that one of the themes running through these Coen brothers films is that random stuff happens and we struggle in vain to make sense of it. What this movie layers on top of it is government bureaucracy. JK Simmons is of the mindset of "if it doesn't make sense, get it off my desk". Also, everyone in this movie makes the mistake of thinking they are smarter than they actually are. But in this brilliant scene they summarize that no one actually learned anything.

exactly, I love to go back to those raports ;d I've watched whole movie 2 times, but this scene and ender I've watched around 20 times :D

Yeah I agree that there is a randomness is a big exploration in Coen brother films but also a lot of the characters problems are self-made. For instance the main character in Burn after reading has a deluded sense of whats true in her life. I think there is some sort of sense in the worlds that they the cohen brothers create. It sort of combines with an idea that when people do something they don't know where it will lead to which is pretty true of life

There is internal character logic to all their films but there usually isn't much cosmic logic to their films, in other words they are like the opposite of poetic justice.

It hasn't been mentioned yet but I think the best example of this is in The Big Lebowski. It's not the short fused Vietnam veteran, nor the kidnapping nihilist, nor the phony Mr. Lebowski who wound up dead at the end of the film. It was Donny, just this nice guy who likes to go bowling with some of his more out their friends. Life doesn't always make narrative sense or satisfy our wants or desires. And most of the time people don't die in gun fights, they die from heart attacks or cancer or something else even more pedestrian.

I loved him in The Accountant.

He's great, but man he killed it in whiplash too

He's legendary in everything he does

That was a bit flowery. Really, it can just be summed up as "You are probably not nearly as important as you think you are."

@@Resi1ience why do you answer a comment i made 2 years ago

@@tincho827 probably because that's when they saw it.

I didn't study

@@flennboyd6413 this actually sounds like a pretty good work relationship

That's how about 50% of management conversations go in my experience. Most of what a manager is tasked with by his employees is mundane stuff that they should already know the answer to (and usually do if they're worth their salt) but they need you to make the decision so they don't get in trouble. Most of what YOUR manager tasks you with is stuff that's completely mundane to him but he doesn't have the time to bother with.

Hahahaha

@@thevoxdeus yup, pretty much.

@@thevoxdeus -- I was training someone to be a store manager one time, and after about six weeks, she looked at me with a really puzzled look on her face and said "so, um, ninety percent of what you've showed me so far is just common sense." "Yeah." "But, couldn't the workers just do this themselves?" "I suppose they could if they had common sense. The trouble is, it turns out common sense isn't." "But if we just taught them to have common sense, they could do almost all of this. We're completely unnecessary most of the time." "Well, not really. There are a lot of little details we take care of, and it's part of our job to make sure other people don't notice they're details that need taking care of. But if we're doing our jobs right, then kind of. Most of the time the workers don't need us. People know their jobs; they do them. We move around and make sure everything's getting done." "Then why do they pay us so much?" "You know that ten percent of the time when everything starts going wrong and you think it'll take a miracle to keep everything from turning straight to shit, and I show up and start bossing everyone around and tell you the magic answer? Then things get fixed, and I sigh and ask someone to go to Starbucks and get me a cup of coffee?" "Um, yeah." "That's what they're paying us for. That and taking the really abusive shit off people so they don't abuse the workers too badly. Mostly the ten percent, though." "...can I go back to being a cashier?" "No. I've already replaced you. You wanted to be in charge, so welcome to the club, boss. Now here's some money; go get me a cup of coffee." It took her weeks after that to get over being depressed about being promoted.

The "burn the body, get rid of it!! *yes sir*" part had me crying 😂😂😂😂

Too true, you see the most outlandish shit and it’s just another day in the office.

@infernosgaming8942 fucking facts... legit an actual conversation: "Did you hear about Ted? Fucker walked into the dirnsas office and said he's the new director. Gen Alexander even out of this whole show for him before the guys from the farm came and got him"

He's a gifted comedic actor, he's quietly become the most hilarious part of Succession.

@@BatmanHQYT I remember watching him in Sledgehammer all those years ago and not understanding why he wasn't a major comedy star. His turn in In the Loop is absolutely brilliant as well.

Heavily agree; including the leather chair, the paper flipping, and the actors' cadence are all solid ASMR.

That is very much true.

The "institutional building" background hum is a slightly different pitch in every shot

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thrice

Especially in oz when he gives everyone the royal welcome

Who tf is JK Simmons? The turtle head guy in the dumbass insurance commercials?

@@gmmakesmehurl Who's JK Simmons? Umm, just the guy in the video, dumbass.

It's the utter bafflement that really makes it great. I like to imagine that there's a missing scene with some KGB guys in the Russian Embassy who are just as confused.

luke raithel ...The Russians!

luke raithel Yea, the Russians, like now.

+Chris Weidner Well the jokes it that whilst at one point in the cold war the Russians were seen as a threat / enemy at this point they were seen as an irrelevance. Now they're being manufactured into a threat instead of actually being one.

Bingo.

It's the only line that's real

lol Almost like he was about to say "when u find out anything else" then realized they wouldnt know what to do if he DID find out anything else 😂😂😂😂

he went to my school, apparently a really wonderful person.

Liz C I saw him just walking around Hollywood, he's a real "persons" person.

oh he actually walks???

Vern Schiilinger- the most evil man in history

J Jonah Jameson from Spiderman 2

Exactly. Spot on.

The 'zoom out' is actually meant to show how ridiculous all of the other characters are. They're deceiving and killing each other over something they perceive to be A Big Deal, but is actually completely trivial to the people who deal in truly important things. And so the latter only views the situation with bemusement. That's the joke. It's not "a hilarious portrayal of the failures of bureaucracy"... these two feds are almost the only characters in the movie which _aren't_ greedy, stupid, and venal.

@@CognizantCheddar It's both, Einstein.

​@@mutoneonNah, bureaucracy isn't the problem here. These guys just don't have enough information to do anything.

The Observant Servant They should make a new genre called "fu**-up" movies. I'd watch the whole list

Lol

@@RyanSmith-wo2pi Man these exchanges with Palmer and JKs character had me dying lol Just literally dont know what the hell is happening and tryna cover up everything, despite not knowing why they are covering it up 🤣🤣🤣

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it made me feel bad for Pitt's character. he was just a harmless himbo, guy didn't deserve to have his brains blown out and have his corpse incinerated by an intelligence agency.

All right, spare me.

David Rasche. Definitely. Been a fan since Sledgehammer. That trademark wince.

@@MichaelWerneburg Love him in Succession and In the Loop - fantastic comedy/drama actor.

I appreciate it a lot more now than I did as a dumb 15-year-old kid. It is so accurate to how big bureacracies work.

Yep, especially when he asked the second time lol "The Russians???🤔🤔" lol

YES! I'm so glad whenever anyone references Sledgehammer.

@@JohnChoidotOrg If only he'd said "Trust me, I know what I'm doing..."

Same. It's like The Big Lebowski. Some movies just feel fresh every time you see them. Coen bros are masters of the craft.

yesss

XD

Like physicians, I think intelligence agents get ALL their appetites for other people's salacious personal matters satisfied very early in their careers... after which it's simply tedious misery to hear any more of it than absolutely necessary. 🤣

+Byron Mak Scrubbed of ID, just like Kaneki. The irony!

Hrvoje Hedžet Amen. SPOILERS But if I read the manga correctly, they actually pinpointed Kaneki as the ghoul that just keeps on showing up. SPOILERS END

Byron Mak Uh...fuck! If you're reading the manga, just keep reading. If you're not, well, I could spoil some stuff if you want me to, but I'd rather suggest you to read the manga.

Hrvoje Hedžet I did. I read the whole thing. I kept on rereading the parts involving the CCG trying to process the sudden appearance of Kaneki and his identity. I actually thought they found out who he is. I don't know why there was not a chapter devoted to his residence being investigated for "missing person."

Byron Mak If you've read the entire thing, there should have been something at the end of the 143rd chapter that should peak your interest in Tokyo Ghoul:re, a sequel series to the manga. Some scanlators purposely left out that part of the 143rd chapter, or so I've heard, so I guess it's possible you missed it. Either way, the story continues in TG:re, you should probably check it out. We're around chapter 48 and things are getting pretty interesting.

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