It’s horrifying that their is a conservative movement trying to move back to it. Particularly as a kid of divorce who’s parents definitely needed to divorce.

Actually, that is not factual at all unless you want to broaden the definition of "intersex" to medical conditions that have not traditionally caused gender to be in question. This is _far_ more about fad--a recent social construct--than any medical inability to determine biological gender.

that’s the exact energy

oh thank you! i knew it had to be good but i couldn't hear her even after i went back 😂 that is good!

Wow. Basically positively reinforce the behavior! If you treat an abuser well they’ll just think their abuse is working! No abuser on earth thought to themself wow! I’m being treated well for bad behavior. I think I’ll stop being bad!

Did he even bother to talk to your husband?

Re Sharia Law: A Muslim doctor who visited my UU church explained that sharia law, as exemplified in the Five Pillars of Islam, lines up pretty squarely with the US Bill of Rights.

thanks for the added context :)

It's also fair to say that rabbinic definitions and interpretations since the fall of Jerusalem and the diaspora have changed significantly. Except for the Great Isaiah Scroll in the DSS, the complete Masoretic (Hebrew) unfragmented text of the "Old Testament" only dates to a little over a thousand years ago. Most Christians have no idea how recent most of that part of their Bible is (not to mention the textual criticism that is possible of it from within the Great Isaiah Scroll as well as the Septuagint). It would also be a great mistake for them to believe that what Jews have taught in the interim period is what Jews have always understood those Scriptures to mean.

@@ReluctantPost oh yeah, absolutely. I still think it's fair to say that there are massive differences between the Torah and the translations used by Christians that play a large role in cementing the theological principals of Christianity. The unfortunate truth is that translated texts have almost always been influenced by the beliefs and desires of those commissioning them, and studying the Torah in Hebrew will absolutely aid in understanding the foundations of Abrahamic religions, and how they changed.

@@fh11235 There are clearly different text types (scribal lineages for particular sets of manuscripts like the Masoretic), yet it is the interpretations that vary much more widely than the texts themselves. In earliest antiquity within Christianity, the voluminous quotes of Scripture in the New Testament and other writings of the ante-Nicene period are mostly Greek, but from the standard Jewish translation (Septuagint) rather than one of their own, occasionally from Aramaic, and then what appears to be an additional text type that has since been lost. A fair amount of scholarly criticism is directed at the latter quotes as being the proto-orthodox Church changing the Scripture, even if not in substantive ways, but I find that theory suspect as their own theology strongly equated change with error much more strictly than the theology of Christians since that time has (let alone the LDS), and they themselves were critical of Jewish scholarship of that period for allowing what they saw as changes of convenience. I think those sources just aren’t all extant from that period, like even the Hebrew is not apart from fragments, and we probably have the loss of the great library at Alexandria to thank for that. 😠The weird thing is that, a couple of centuries later, Jerome switches up the Christian textual tradition and translates the Vulgate (Latin) from the Hebrew rather than relying on the Septuagint or other type, so in an odd turn of events, one of the witnesses to the Hebrew that was in use at that period is a Latin translation.

@@ReluctantPost i think its clear you really know your stuff! Academic study can always get more specific and detailed. Oftetimes in high control religions the study of the texts is very different. When i made the original comment I was moreso referring to the outcomes created by KJV absolutists and literalists who dont get the full picture with things like turning the vulture into the eagle. Its been really cool to read your thoughts!

There are several studies which purport the gender mood disorder difference is the result comorbities created by gender and sex based inequalities such as IPV, sexual violence etc and now, a potential epigenetic component. It's a fascinating topic and a scary one. You should check out the life history hypothesis of patriarchy. Biosocial models are definitely the bees knees.

There was, or so I'm told, a practise in the era of fault divorces of faking adultery. The husband would hire a hotel room and a woman, she'd do some knitting and he'd get some rest. The wife would get an "anonymous" tip-off, hire a private detective who would investigate, and shock horror, looks like your husband's been having an affair, so off to the divorce courts you go.

​@@midwinter78 That's the entire plot of the old Fred and Ginger classic, "The Gay Divorcee."

I agree with Peter Corbett. This used to happen in the UK Prior to the Divorce reform act of 1969.

Wow

Love the double standard-like virginity is still somehow an expectation-but marriage virginity

Not to mention that the gopsels (Matthew , Mark, Luke, John) weren't attributed to those men until the 2nd century and were most certaily not written by anyone who could have been an apostle of Jesus. Mark was written first, about 3 decades after Jesus' death. Matthew and Luke are copies from 15ish year after that, copied to spread that gospel. John was written 90-100 years after Jesus' death. John is the only one that 1. claims any insight into Jesus's life between infancy and age 30, and 2. puts anything resembling "Yes, I'm God" in Jesus' mouth.

@@JennaGetsCreative and a bunch of Paul's writings were before the Gospels were written--and crazy Revelation was penned before the last Gospel was written.

It's like, briefly mentioned in 3 places, and depends on what translation you're using. The wrathful God stuff is in a lot of the histories and the law. Some of the prophets mention a jealous God. The Book of Judges is probably the book that surprised me the most, as far as wrath and vile content.

As a never Mormon, I've noticed there's is a much less focus on Jesus rather than the church leadership in the LDS church. My ex partner who was raised Mormon had never read the NT. As a Christian I was blown away. The focus on LDS scripture over the Bible really surprised me.

@@duncansonoryan I was a Mormon and for one evening activity they did Bible Jeopardy and the only ones who did well were myself and the Bishop's daughter because no one else knew anything about the bible.😄

The focus on Mary as the mother of God in Catholic faith is interesting and many ancient cultures have female deities

"Garmies" in a twist... 😂

What would be a category besides gender?

@@charlesmendeley9823 metrics of actual relevance such as height in basketball or combined endurance and strength and bone density depending on what the sport relies on. It could also help narrow some of the pay and funding gaps in athletics. Besides, some sports just don't need to be divided at pro level (baseball and soccer are likely canidates).

hahah right? like, sir could you please put away your wife

Put her back in the cabinet please, Jimmy.

unfortunately we do not feel passionate about the world of business 😂 but we do find our work with Zelph (which isn’t all we do) very fulfilling and we value the contributions we make to the ex-Mormon and ex-religious communities.

@@ZelphOntheShelf my wife hopped out of her car and gave you a big hug during the Sam Young fast. You wouldn’t remember her, but she is crazy enthusiastic and fun ❤️

Divorce sucks, especially with kids involved. Second marriages are more likely to end in divorce than a first. A third marriage has something like a 75% failure rate. I got married at 20, and it was the best decision of my life. We recently celebrated 30 years of marriage, and have loved our time together, both in the church, and now out together. ❤

@@ChowderTIO glad it’s working out for you! ❤️🙌

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You have worth-take care of yourself and love and be loved

@@llamamama2910 thank you 💜

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mostly what they have are fragments of manuscripts. you can see a lot of them here: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript

There's also evidence through mentions of previous scholarship in fragments and estimates of time, which can sometimes be more accurate (e.g. A commentary writer mentions a date of some previous edition)

It felt impossible at first, but thanks to your channel and others like it I followed love out of the church

you ultimately need to accept that you have no say in how that relationship goes, but there's nothing wrong with caring about the relationships of people you love.

they really don’t. not that mormonism is the only patriarchal subculture where this occurs, but it is not NORMAL to celebrate men who kill their wives and children

and it needs to be more acceptable to tell the negative truths about people, even if they're dead.

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I'm not sure if you are intersex or a doctor; if so, I defer to your expertise. I'm not either, but I can think of some syndromes that don't fit neatly ino your male and female gamete theory. People with Kleinfelter's syndrome have XXY gametes and have characteristics intermediate between stereotypical "male" and "female" . They have the gametes of both male (xy) and females (xx). Also intersex people with complete androgen insensitivity symdrome do have internal testes and XY chromosomes but they have bodies and external genitalia identical to "female", and until chromosomal testing no one called them "males". Why do we need to shoehorn these people into some sort of fictitious male or female box box? I think it is harmful to do so.

no one has any business telling people that god is in their relationship when they have no interest in including an unproven being.