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I can tell she started getting slightly annoyed when Coleman continually said "natal male" or someone born male" and she blurted out it's just male. All of this circumlocution and tip toeing is maddening. This woman is clearly a voice of reason.

Even as someone with no dog in this fight, a 52-year-old single and childless male & former track athlete, I get so worked up every time I listen to one of these debates because it shouldn’t even be a debate in the first place. The world has gone batsh*t crazy, all in the name of virtue signaling to earn social capital. How did championing the few unfortunate people born with gender dysphoria somehow trump the integrity of the institution of female athletics? No one with the capacity to think, and observe life in its ineffable truths would think that it is fair for biological men to compete in sanctioned sports against women. The silent majority is going to have to wake up and put an end to this unmitigated lunacy. And any trans woman (who is really a man) that feels proud for beating a girl in sports has no pride or honor. Can the sane people please right the ship?

This woman is a superhuman. Not threatened by idiocracy. Gives me hope.

I'm so glad I was born in 1975 and allowed to be a tomboy .. ran around with frogs in my pockets and hated dresses .. now I'm happy straight woman who loves dresses.. we grow out of things. ❤

She is spot on! "Trans" is the real social construct, that relies heavily on sex stereotypes and is regressive, if you are born male , then you should embrace that reality, and express that any way you want. so simple. Thanks Coleman, for another informative much needed discussion.

All I'm saying is, I'm glad I grew up in a time where my mom wouldn't take me to the doctor to get castrated because I liked singing Celine Dion.

As a mother of three tomboys my greatest fear is someone not standing up for my daughters’ right to be who they are , but to try to convince them they are something they are not.

This woman is a saint. Those people who harassed her out of a job are the real enemy of progress.

Imagine being so obsessed with yourself and your ideology that you'd actually conspire to remove an academic of such obvious quality from your university! Their loss!!

Its not just the intellect and the cool - its the courage...

As a gay woman I think these conversations are super important. I always thought when I was a kid a kid I wanted to be a guy. I was even told by my peers “you think you’re a boy!”. I’m now 30 and a happily gay woman, notice the way I use the word gay? It’s actually a word more acceptable than lesbian particularly in the work world I lived in and I’ve carried it into adulthood. We don’t hate trans people, we just want to give people the space to make up their own minds.

I'm so proud of this professor, she is so clearly exhausted and exasperated with this insanity and has suffered greatly for speaking out, yet she continues to do so. We need to be having these conversations in society and talking about these issues does not mean you are transphobic...at all. Discussing issues means you care.

Professor Stock is an intellectual titan and decent woman. Her dignity and decency is more than the gay rights movement deserves, and more than we will ever be grateful for.

It's insane what this brilliant, articulate woman has been put through for simply being a truth teller. Seems like society seeks to punish those who think clearly and speak plainly these days.

Kathleen deserves a medal 🎖

As a gay man - and a white person - not from the states, I always found the concept "cultural appropriation" somewhat strange and unrelatable. Until a former female colleague of mine who was very left-leaning, gradually turned herself first into non-binary, then "male", and now calls herself a "transfag." She can finally celebrate Pride as a "gay" guy with her boyfriend that she's had for most of her life. It feels like appropriation of "my culture" (not that I ever celebrated Pride or know many other gay guys). But it's like a slap in the face, to think that growing up as a quite voluptuous girl with feminine personality, suddenly can claim the lived experience of how it is to be a homosexual man.

Nothing this women has said was controversial 10 years ago and now she has a fringe opinion, at least in politics and education. It makes me incredibly angry and sad.

This was a superb, polite and deeply informative interview. Stock is very articulate, and can calmly explain her position with class and clarity; she is, contrary to what you might see online, an uncontroversial figure that has been unfairly maligned. It's Sussex university's loss!

It's emotional blackmail to use suicide and fear of someone hurting themselves if you don't agree with their feelings and ideology.

I refuse to live in someone else’s delusion. I’m so sorry Ms Stokk has had her life and livelihood turned upside down for having to courage of her convictions.

I was a tomboy and hated dresses always will. I am not gay but l can't imagine what people would have done to me if l was a 10 year old now. l loved my converses, blue jeans, and t-shirts to my mothers horror, and my hair was cut in a pixie. Just allow the kids to feel comfortable being themselves without labeling them at all. They will eventually figure themselves out. These activists and social media's are labeling them as one sexual group or another.

Usaine Bolt could come out of retirement tomorrow, declare he IDs as a 'woman' & dominate Women's Sprint events for the next 5 years...legally. Crazy BS😢

Excellent conversation. This women is of the character I want my daughter to look up to. Smart, well spoken & strong.

Heartbreaking to see someone that’s been so hurt, yet continues with integrity.

Professor Stock is an amazing role model for all women and has many, many fans in Canada who support her stance on womens rights.

As the mom of a trans-identified teen, I know first hand how trans ideology can negatively impact vulnerable teen girls. Hardest thing I’ve ever had to parent through.

Re. Social contagion one girl in my 4th grade class got glasses. Even though at the time glasses were NOT even considered cool or trendy I myself liked the way they looked and was secretly envious of the attention I told my parents about my blurred vision and they took me to an eye doctor who I kept up the lie to and kept this charade going until the doctor gently told my parents my eyes were fine and they asked if anyone in class had gotten glasses. This was just ONE person. Social contagion is a thing

My daughter thought she was Elsa from frozen for atleast six mths. She believed that she was Elsa and that her name was Elsa, that doesn't mean it was true or that she actually was. (Before that she was Cinderella) My son was the "Flash" for 3 yrs and raced around the house like a maniac constantly. He wore his flash costume all day everyday...and slept in it too. Doesn't mean he 'was' the flash. Identity exploration is a normal part of childhood development, only insane adults think these identities are authentic, permanent and part of objective reality.

Having activists come after you is affirmation that you think critically and share your thoughts honestly.

Thanks for having Kathleen Stock on. One of the most powerful voices in this whole thing. She's brilliant.

I transitioned and completed my SRS years before any of my nieces & nephew were born. It was not something I felt I needed to speak to them about. For me it had been a personal mind and body mismatch issue that i had fixed then moved on with my life as if issue had never existed. As my nieces were growing up I had a strong feeling that one of my nieces was going to grow up to be lesbian. I never mentioned it to anyone. Fast forward 25 years or so my niece had grown up and come out as lesbian. By this time she knew i was transsexual but we had still not had a conversation about it. Then one day she told me that she knew that she had figured it out a good few years ago after seeing some old pictures of me as a child growing up at my mums house. She then said had I of not been her auntie and had she been 10 years younger she could of easily of gotten caught up in to the idea of being trans and needing to transition to be happy with all this socalled transawaerness. She said in a perfect world I would of been born male but am not am a butch lesbian and I accept that. I then told her I had realized that she was going to grow up to be lesbian when she was young. She asked me why did you not tell me. I said it was up to you to discover that for yourself and not for me to be putting ideas in to your head. I said I would of been there for you had you needed to confide in someone. Many of todays transfolk are too quick to encourage others to take the same path. I feel stuck in the middle and hated from both sides. People need to look at the bigger picture & dissect it into the relevant boxes. Then look and see which are the ones the most visible/vocal and making the most noise and crazy demands while stamping their feet and branding folk transphobic just to shut down any sensible conversation. . Then take note how much they commit to being what they claim to be. Here is my take on all this madness. I am an old school Post-Op Transsexual who is closing on 4 decades Post-Op. This is utter madness at its best ! It's gone from transsexuals fixing a personal mind and body mismatch issue with one's self and then getting on with our lives unnoticed as best we can. To folk now who do not want to make any effort to be what they claim to be who actually thrive on the attention and privileges it grants them under the term transgender with all these new woke laws etc. Many are out to make others around them change their perceptions of what a woman is or fall foul of the woke policing. It is lunacy at its best. I get labelled at TERF quite often because I will not side with these folks and their crazy demands and expectations. Transsexuals should not even be lumped under the term transgender as far as I am concerned. It's not even in the same postcode. I find all this very demeaning of all I went through and suffered growing up in the 1970's and early 1980s to be happy within my own skin.They tried to force me to change who I was back in 1977 when I was only 13 here. county asylums stanley-royd wakefield . They could not force me to change who I was or deter me and that taught me that it would be just as wrong to try to force people to understand or accept me too. My intentions and actions back then were to change myself so I could be happy within my own skin, not to force the world around me to change or pay the price. There are different definitions of the word TRANSGENDER , The most prevalent is those who are political in nature and refers to anyone who considers themselves as different in terms of sex or gender. Most transsexual persons refuse to be lumped in with the TG Community, but others like non-op TG persons see political value in working together. A transgender person is someone who deliberately lives in a way opposed to their physical sex. For example, if a person is born with female genitalia and wants to keep it, but expresses and feels that they are a boy mentally, then they are transgender. Transsexual and transgender is not the same thing as transsexual is only applicable to those born with a need to correct their genitals as best they can, while most transgender people desire to keep their original genitalia. A person is born with transsexualism,the whole idea of the surgery is to stop having transsexualism and to get on with life as if they never had the condition. For me and many of my old friends it was important to fix our mind and body mismatch ASAP and then get on with our lives. Often going stealth and only letting those who need to know about our past know. The term transgender covers a wide spectrum of different folks. Most of whom are more vocal/visible. Hence more well known by the public online and offline as they tend to go out of their way to make their presence known and felt. Whereas many of us old school transsexual's the aim was to fix the issue and move on with our lives unnoticed. Many of us had to make big sacrifices like losing family members and old friends and moving to avoid publicity at times. As that for us would defeat the whole object of fixing the issues we had with ourselves in the 1st place. For us it is not a badge we wear. Just a distant unhappy memory we rather leave behind us and not dwell on. This leads to our side of the story being less heard by the public, leaving them to assume the outspoken ones most often seen kicking off on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram & KZfaq etc are what its all about for all under the umbrella term transgender. Which is not the case at all. There are many of us out there in the world that can hold conversations with folk who disagree with us without resorting to branding them transphobic or getting catty and bitchy. It's a shame so many of these outspoken trans folks will brand someone transphobic at the drop of a hat yet forget it took themselves years to understand and accept their own situation. Bit hypocritical if you ask me. But hey that's what happens when what it is to be transsexual gets hijacked and turned into a trans radical agenda/movement. It's now become a money spinner for many. It's like reality TV with a large helping of soap opera thrown in for good measure. Fed to an ever growing gullible audience grasping at straws. They have only gotten away with it for so long because transsexuals tend to avoid outing themselves as it defeats the object of fixing the mind and body mismatch in the 1st place if you're going to and broadcast that you did it. I'm older now and my husband has passed away. I have nothing to lose and someone needs to speak up for the genuine transsexuals and point out the difference that the transgender agenda has tried to blur. I did my SRS in the beginning of the1980s then I just got on with my life with my late husband after my surgery. So was quite shocked when after my husband sudden death 31 years later and I went searching for a Post-op Transsexual widows support group and only found the embarrassing radical transgender agenda movement crap online that only serves to make a mockery of what it is to be Transsexual and trample all over women right as if they don't even matter. Many of today's trans folk are a breed unto themselves who lack empathy for women and women's rights. I find all this shameful, embarrassing and hurtful. My advice to anyone who is planning to come out as trans, is to invest in some big girl knickers 1st and stop trampling all over women's rights. On a side note I was amongst one of the 1st to be legally allowed to apply from my gender recognition certificate. As it was offered to those of us who were over 7 year Post-Op or longer 1st to clear the backlog of those of us who had been waiting decades for that day to come. I looked into it and decided I did not need to get mine. Since then the requirements needed to apply for the gender recognition certificate have changed drastically to include non-op so basically anyone who decided they wish to identify as female. So for me it's now not even worth the paper it's printed on and is demeaning of all I suffered growing up in the 60s 70s & 80s to be happy within my own skin. Of course women have reasons to be concerned about this. Even I do not feel safe around many of today's folks claiming to be trans. It covers such a wide spectrum of weird and wonderful people, many of whom do not have womens best interests at heart.

Thank you Kathleen for articulating what some of us have trouble doing because of fear of being called all kinds of negative names. I was involved in the 60's when women were screaming for equal rights. We worked so hard on that and now others are hoping onboard by proclaiming that they are women too. I have trouble wrapping my brain around that as a feminist.

The suicide threat is just that. Just think about when someone tries to leave a abusive relationship. The one being broken up with will threaten to kill themselves as a means to get the person to stay. It's manipulation in this context too.

Good conversation. You asked her views and didn't attack her. These are the conversations that need to be had. As a lesbian woman, her views on womanhood absolutely should not be banned on the broader conversations whether she's on the left or right. We need a space where these conversations can be had. Thank you for being the platform for this.

I love this smart woman. She seems really sweet too. Often take time to listen to her and am grateful she's on a greater public stage now.

I found you through Kathleen Stock. I’ve been binge watching her, along with Dr Helen Joyce. I’ve been waiting for this conversation to hit America. Thank you for having her on! New sub!

Kathleen is brilliant and brave. Thank you for interviewing her! I loved her book Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism.

I tried to pee standing up too 🤣. I grew out of wanting to be a boy. I am definitely a woman and being a mom to my daughter is so awesome.

Woman is not a costume.

Thank you so much for this interview and your views on this topic. I have been researching this issue since Posy Parker was accused by our NZ mainstream media as being a far right, hate-speaking, anti-trans activist and then being assaulted and threatened by radical trans activists. I had never heard of her before these events. My sister fully transitioned about 40 years ago when she was in her late 20s and lived her life as a woman. No-one, except our family and people from our small town, knew she had grown up as a boy. After fully transitioning and changing her sex status by law, she married a man, worked as a female, used female public toilets and travelled overseas as a female. I guess she would be what Kathleen referred to as a "old school transexual" - thank you for clarifying this for me. She just wanted to quietly live her life. Her and I were very close. Sadly, she died 18 months ago but I know that she would be horrified about what is going on now - men being able to say "I'm a woman" and then using that status to their advantage, about the young females caught up in this trans craze and chemically and maybe surgically altering their bodies, and the trans agenda being promoted in our schools, on our main stream media and by our radical left-wing government. Thank you so much Kathleen.

Dr. Stock and Coleman Hughes nailed it in this conversation. I was particularly pleased with their compassion for trans people while acknowledging that the current craziness has, unfortunately, changed the game for the worst. I like Dr. Stock’s use of “fiction” in this context. She defined it quite well, especially in explaining “legal fictions.”

I had no intention of watching this entire video but I could not tear myself away. Coleman, you are a national treasure. Your grace and intellect are so vital to the social platform of the US. I never thought the ridiculous thuggery would go on for so long. Kathleen, I am very sorry for what happen to your career as a professor, but maybe there was a reason. I admire you and completely agree with you on every point. You both inspire me.

Note that there is no "what is a man?" because a transman obviously is not going to win in the marathon running as a man, nor will a transman want to go to a male prison! Double standard here.

Love DocStockk's cool, thoughtful style. Her knowledge of and sensitivity to the trans influence in our lives is spot on. One of the top thinkers in the UK today.

Consider this: The Emperor's New Clothes was written precisely for issues like this this. At some point, we need to set aside personal or ideological considerations, and just allow objectivity to define law and public institutions.

Professor Stock is a phenomenal woman. Her book was superb. Thank you, both!

Both Coleman and Kathleen are so respectful and intelligent in their discussion. Thank you for the opportunity to hear it.

It's more than worrying to think that students have so much power that they can get someone fired because they have a different point of view. Isn't mobbing illegal. Also, doesn't the word 'student' itself mean 'someone who is learning or in the process of learning' ? So they are not yet experts and shouldn't be allowed to dictate who can or cannot teach at Universities.

A brave, intelligent, articulate woman. So glad people like her are speaking out

I read Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism almost a year ago now after ordering it from the UK. It is essential reading. It's shameful and sadly telling that Kathleen and her book are not more well known and widely read here in the US.

This woman really knows of what she speaks. Why is this not popping up all over the internet. The families and young adults in the trans community need this as required viewing!

Huge respect for Kathleen Stock🙌

By far the most rational and thoughtful commentator on this very present conundrum. She has thought through all of its connotations. Unlike other commentators, who tend to come at it with their own set of agendas. Here we have a woman who happens to be a philospher, paired in conversation with another philsopher. We need these highly intelligent and articulate people to help us on our journey to understanding what's at stake.

Any person guilt tripping someone into sex is using coercion. It doesn't matter how they identify that is wrong and hopefully illegal at this point. It's so fucked up

The whole ‘live as women’ is a ridiculous notion in any Western country. Women live as individuals. There are all sorts. They mean the stereotypical 50’s housewife, a waifu or a bimbo (or several fetishistic variations).

Absolutely disgraceful that this highly intelligent and reasonable Woman was hounded out of her job , the only ones that lose out are the students she taught .

Kathleen Stock is amazing! Awesome ‘get’ for you and your show. Her writing is dryly hilarious and splendid, and she’s one of a handful of really clear, brilliant thinkers on the gender/trans issue. Up there with Helen Joyce.

I was mesmerized by this discussion. This professor has such compassion, intelligence and realism all thrown in. I really enjoyed her perspective and she was able to put into words a lot of my views that I have difficulty expressing.

I find it insane that such a thoughtful and well reasoned argument is seen as hate speech and grounds for termination. If that kind of radical extremism and intolerance is what our university is producing they need a hard reboot and some grown up need to take charge.

Its good you had this conversation with Kathleen, shes an intelligent woman with much to say that is logical and really worth listening to. I find myself as someone who wholeheartedly agrees with her. As a british heterosexual woman on the left she pretty much sums up my values and if anyone just took the time to talk and listen to her she is just a very normal, comprehensive rational thinking person. There are very few like her I can wholeheartedly agree with. So its great to hear her speak.

I'll write what I keep hammering on and on about in every venue. According to the recent Pew Polls on this issue, most people in the US support full civil rights for trans people. As that percentage inches up, so has the percentage of those polled who maintain that sex is set at birth and cannot be changed. What would you do with these statistics? What so-called "trans activists" do is revealing. They demonstrate that they aren't organizers. An organizer would take these statistics, organize, and win tangible benefits for the people they're organizing for. But instead, that high percentage of supporters of trans rights are called TERFS. As a gay man, I've seen similar. Gay men who won't hook up with trans men on the gay apps are deemed TERFS and BIGOTS. Some of us are having to fight all over again what HOMOSEXUALITY means, and this is bizarre.

That was great, thank you. Kathleen Stock is a very reasonable, thoughtful person, I’m sure she was a brilliant lecturer and it’s a huge loss to academia that she was forced out in such an outrageous manner. It’s only touched on in this interview, but she was bullied and threatened and the aggressors should have been thrown out of university.

This is a marvelous conversation. We are all so lucky to be exposed to such a high level of decency and intelligence. Bravo to you both!

Excellent conversation!!! This is what we need!! ❤🥂

WTF! Western Society is soooo screwed. This WOMAN is fabulous 👌

I have read (and I recommend) Stock's book "material girls". I live near Brighton and so I saw first-hand the graffiti demonising her. Just as in the case of the writings of JK Rowling, the complaints about her were not based in reality but were the consequence of misrepresentations by activists on social media. In situations such as we are living in, we desperately need philosophers - thinkers like Stock. Social media is utterly deranging - most people taking offense are not doing so for themselves: rather, they are signalling their virtue by being offended on behalf of imagined victims. The feeding of destructive ideas to young, vulnerable, impressionable minds is the real crime today. As others have observed, none of this would matter if the adults and those in authority were to ignore it. Transgender used to mean someone who suffering from gender dysphoria, where "gender" meant sex. Such a person (and I used to work with one) suffers terribly. In my friend's case, he had years of painful surgery to resemble (so far as is currently possible) a person of the opposite sex. This is obviously not the same thing at all as a transgender person, where gender is merely performative. Advocates of this gender recognition reform, conflate the two meanings of gender. Thus, a large, bearded man with a penis can change his performative gender (and now, his sex!) by simply filling in a form and changing his pronouns. There is more to a woman than a pronoun.

Lea Thomas could take oestrogen for a decade and it's not going to alter her build greatly or advantages. The fact that he's not embarrassed about becoming a 'winner' in this fashion and actively fighting to be allowed to continue competing says much about his character.

A friend shared with me Mr. Hughes, and I'm so impressed with your conversations. I needed this one because it is something I've been really attempting to grasp, and I'm a 64 year old heterosexual female, however have always been very much in support of gay marriage a rights. Much of what Kathleen Stock resonates. On a recent Bill Maher Real Time program one or two gay male guests, both over 40 were saying that they didn't like feeling that after all they had done they were to be advocating for the trans community. When I thought about that it made sense to me, why that "grouping" with more and more letters being added? Also, I have other friends who are moms of young adults who are supporting them in their transition decisions. So above all I want to be loving, kind, and compassionate, but also not be constantly dealing with the "identity" aspects of things. I may say I'm a unicorn and want to be called Lavender, but that doesn't change who I am really. Mental health issues with children who have been natives of social media and tech is really a major concern. Thank you.

It's important for straights to understand that A LOT of preteens their same-sex attraction with being "trapped in the wrong body." I went through this for a yr or two as a 10 yr old, and so did most of my gay and lesbian friends. We grew up and in the 1970s and 1980s... and all of us eventually became comfortably gay, lesbian, or bi. DO NOT EVER confuse childhood gender confusion and experimentation with authentic dysphoria requiring hormones and surgery.

What an amazing woman! Homosexuality is a fact, not an identity.

This was the most fascinating enlightening conversation I’ve heard in a long while. I was a (I thought) a straight woman, married of over two decades until I met a fell in love with someone just like this lady. Confident, interesting, intelligent and very cute. Saldly the relationship didn’t last but I feel like I’ve finally found myself. How can kids be expected to know what and who they are so young and impressionable then make life long permanent changes to their bodies/futures. Love this woman 💕

This is a great conversation and so needed at this time. Thank you for introducing us to Professor Stock's voice and ideas.

I am now officially in love with Kathleen Stock. 😄

I feel sorry for Stock. She is quite clearly still upset by what she had to go through. The feelings are still raw.

How brave she has been, to speak up knowing how that could threaten her safety and livelihood.

This is such an excellent conversation, more people ought to hear this.

Thanks for exposing the ideas and story of Kathleen Stock. Even though I'm very familiar and impressed with her work I found the interview informative and important. The US is behind the UK on the trans nightmare but with more exposure to people like her (Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater, Dr. Michael Biggs, et. al.) we can close the gap sooner rather than later.

Such cool discussion. You two are obviously very graceful communicators. Professor Stock is a brave woman to face the angry mob.

God bless Kathleen Stock. This is my introduction to her and her story. Thank you, Coleman Hughes. We need Kathleen to do more interviews over here in the US.

I'm a biological male who is bi and who presents across the gender divide. Regarding the question as to whether I am spoken for by the radical trans activist movement, I am not! Kathleen, as a voice of reason and good judgement, was very let down by Sussex Uni and others in my view. Thanks for a very well presented piece and for getting to the good sense so calmly, clearly and effectively.

When I was little, for a little while I wished I was a boy. Not that I didn't like being a girl, but they had so much more freedom and respect. Kids wish lots of things that they outgrow. The fact that children are being given sex change operations makes my head explode. If children cannot consent to sex, cannot vote or drink, how could they possibly decide something like that ?

Puberty blockers don't stop the clock. They turn off the 'alarm' reactions. The alarm may last for month or even a couple years, but once the alarm is past stopping the puberty blockers won't allow normal development to resume.

What a thoughtful wide-ranging clear-eyed scholar and social analyst! So good to hear someone question assumptions and vague "studies" concerning suicidal ideation etc.. To say that lots of things are connected to mental wellbeing issues is true and THAT's where we need to look. But it's easier to put the burden on the person pushed to undergo painful operations and so on than to change the system from stressful materialist disconnected capitalism to a spiritual connected community living in balance with nature and that includes human nature. This woman deserves a crown.

I think the treatment that Professor Stock has received is appalling. What a scandal that students are now being deprived of her acumen.

My husband just introduced me to your work, Coleman. I appreciate your deliberate manner of discussion and your thoughtfulness on issues that evoke such strong emotions from all sides.

Once again, a riveting interview. Women should not back down on this, and those that do, don't understand the issue. Once again, men are trying to dominate over women. It's really sad that women can't see this. Why do women always concede, it's a sign of weakness.

I really appreciate Kathleen Stock. Such a smart articulate and thoughtful person.... and of course Coleman such a solid young man doing great work!

My son didnt want his hair cut from the age of 4 to 10. He had super long, blond hair. Multiple people asked me if he was trans gender, while me(his mum) was standing next to him with short hair. Sometimes things don't need labels! Let kids be kids and explore their style and likes!

Brilliant podcast. I'm a new subscriber to "Conversations with Coleman". As a lesbian, I appreciate that the discussants brought all the essential issues to light: reality and fiction of sex difference, present day social contagion compared with "old school" transgender, mental illness plaguing young girls and boys, parental agony about transitioning, and the expressed - but not named - atmosphere of misogyny. Thank you.

By activist standards, any male can enter a women's space at any time, for any reason, because they "feel" like it. These are people that are incredibly hostile towards women in the name of inclusivity. I am amazed that any woman would support it, but I think many people simply haven't thought through all the implications of it.

We have to protect women's sports and spaces such as changing rooms

When my sister was 5 she said, she would be a dad when she grow up. We played like that: i was the mom and she was the dad. Now we are two very stable hetero wemen and everything is fine. Thank God our Mom didn't make a tragedy out of our Kids-Play-Fiction! ❤ Thank you for the very important words 🦋

I am a woman, I love being a woman. A man is not a woman. A man cannot feel our make up or feel our struggle. A man can be transgender, gay, zim zen zoo zah. But stay out of my bathroom (you don't know what I've experienced or who i trust) , a drag queen out of my primary school and stop telling little children who's brain has not formed they have no gender. So sick of this. I thought I did not care and thought "to each their own" but this crap has broken me. These extremists are making trans peoples lives harder than it was already.

How are so many people hoodwinked by this insanity? 🤬😢🤬

Kathleen you have total common sense and I as a woman support what you say and the way you say it. Your dignified way of being is beautiful. Please carry on and I am happy to contribute to your community cause.

Thanks for this, Coleman and Kathleen. What a thought provoking conversation.

Hughes is one of my favorite young thinkers.

Make sure you guys keep our British women who daring to stand up for women's rights, Posie Parker's treatment in New Zealand should be a wake up call for all.

Kathleen Stock is a brilliant woman. Thank you for this conversation.