Cadence Sensors Vs Torque Sensors | Are Torque Sensors Always Better than a Cadence Sensor?

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In this video, I share my take on why a cadence sensor isn't always the inferior option when it comes to E-bike sensors. In fact, I share my top 3 reasons why a cadence sensor might be your preferred option on an ebike.

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@Jhubble515 7 ай бұрын

I have tried both and after I rode the aventon aventure 2, I was sold forever. Smoothest bike I've ever ridden with a traditional pedal feel. I love I can ride in any mode and have the same amount of power. I agree if you are commuting the cadence is best but if you are riding to ride and enjoy pedaling then torque sensor

@LittleBozo 10 ай бұрын

Good job dude. That was layman's definition. Exactly what I needed. I guess I'm a cadence man

@VoltVlog 10 ай бұрын

Thanks, brother! Glad it was helpful!

@JackbeNimrod 6 ай бұрын

Excellent video! I totally agree with the reasons a cadence sensor is better. I can climb a hill easier, and I live on a hill, for commuting I can go 28 mph, and not work my tail off. To sustain that speed for 6 miles with the torque sensor would be a lot more work. I am more elderly and would probably love a torque sensor if I lived on the flat and was 20 years younger.

@stkyfngez 4 ай бұрын

Nice video! I’m a big Aventon fan. I’ve made videos on the Soltera cadence vs torque, and you made a lot of good points.

@trainluvr Ай бұрын

I started my 10 years of ebiking with BH bikes torque sensor equipped bikes. Then about 3 years ago I added a cadence sensor Ride1up 700 to the fleet. The torque sensor is the way to go if you are riding with the intention of having a good workout or if off roading on a regular basis and need precise control and immediate responsiveness. The cadence sensor is more appropriate if you want to make manage power consumption and maximize range. The only time I feel I have had any useful exercise on the Ride1Up with cadence is on trips where I am out for the day riding long enough to consume most of my battery. Really though if you just need transportation, cadence is fine or superior and almost any budget priced bike is fine. If you want a versatile, go anywhere machine and are a physically active type who can afford a better bike, you will have a torque sensor and love it. This video is quite accurate in its analysis.

@curtwuollet2912 3 ай бұрын

I prefer cadence with KT torque simulation. It's power regulated so speed can vary.

@mickp10 10 ай бұрын

Agree, I find if you are riding just for commuting to get get to your destination quickly, then cadence sensor is is the way to go. If you want a more natural riding experience with assistance, then torque sensor is the way to go. Also, torque sensor is good when you want to control your speed without changing power settings (e.g. busy bike paths)

@VoltVlog 10 ай бұрын

Yes, agreed, and I find I really prefer a torque sensor on off-road trails especially when there is a lot of speed changes required.

@MarkSmith-js2pu 11 ай бұрын

You described me exactly. Living in Phoenix and setting records of days over 110 and 115. I work it in the morning while I’m fresh with PAS 2 or 3, and then 8 hrs later ghost it home in no time. It was a lot tougher in the winter and in the rain. That just hurts. 70 yrs old with 3000 on a Level 1 (cadence)

@VoltVlog 11 ай бұрын

Yes! Exactly. The late afternoons are brutal. I want to get home as fast as I can, and that extra 8 miles an hour from ghost-pedaling makes all the difference. I'm coming up on 1,000 miles on the Aventure and can honestly say I'm loving every minute of it. I should have switched to E-Bike commuting a long time ago. How has the Level 1 been holding up for you at 3000 miles? Battery life still going strong? Motor still strong? Also, 70 years old and commuting every day...I want to be like you when I grow up. :-)

@MarkSmith-js2pu 11 ай бұрын

@@VoltVlog only thing was a converter that went bad under warranty. Now I think I may have had something to do with that. I had to walk it thru high water and maybe it got wet. Battery, tires, brakes all perfect. I am curious about the Level 2 with torque, but my test drive around a parking lot didn’t tell me anything.

@MarkSmith-js2pu 10 күн бұрын

@@VoltVlogI just rolled over 5,200 miles. I can’t tell any range loss. With more experience I have refined my rides. I use PAS 2 to start and keep it there as long as I am level or going uphill. I exert most effort there. When I get to a downhill, I use PAS 3 for speed and thrills. I rarely use 4 or 5 anymore thereby extending range and also never ghost pedaling. I’m also lucky to have some alleys and parking lots on my way and they have really helped me be a solid rider.

@dozzaz 9 ай бұрын

I've done almost 5000km on my M365 electric scooter just commuting to work each day. However, Lithuanian winters are too cold and slippery for e-scooters, summers are too hot to pedal. More so - my commute includes a steep hill that lasts over 1.5 km. I tried riding a regular bike - I sweat for an hour after coming to work and it is almost impossible to climb that hill on my way home. An ebike with cadence sensor (and throttle) solved it for me - I get a much safer ride during winter compared to riding an escooter and not sweat like on a regular bike.

@VoltVlog 9 ай бұрын

That’s awesome! I (Chris) landed on a bike with throttle and cadence sensor as well. My commute is longer than Billy’s (26 miles round trip) and need something that is safe during winter and will keep me from dripping sweat in the dog days of summer. If I was closer though, the board is a ton of fun.

@emop9821 3 ай бұрын

Are you saying that torque sensor bikes has no PAS? That is incorrect.

@nolssmit 2 ай бұрын

Which ebike motors offer both where you can select using a switch on the handlebar with your thumb?

@blackwhirlwind1245 Ай бұрын

check out juiced ebikes, I believe they have both on an ebike.

@rcafmaintainer3723 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for that. I just got into e bikes and here in Ontario Canada there is a place that sells a model called Teslica Force X1H, I believe I got the cadence one, it has a throttle.

@VoltVlog 10 ай бұрын

Awesome! The Xh-1 Looks like a quality folding e-bike. Happy riding!

@rcafmaintainer3723 10 ай бұрын

@@VoltVlog thanks. Yes, it is a folding type, that is why I picked the particular model.

@VoltVlog 10 ай бұрын

Nice! I'm planning on doing some extended traveling in the near future, and am interested in picking up a folding e-bike or two for the family to use while we travel. Been comparing a variety of different models on the market.@@rcafmaintainer3723

@rcafmaintainer3723 10 ай бұрын

@@VoltVlog bike is pretty nice looking, I was surprised how tall it is; it is adjustable in the saddle, but I can tell at 5’8”, I’m on the low end of the range.

@gonerydin4225 8 ай бұрын

I think you just made the case for torque sensors. Rather than ghost pedal I prefer to just use the throttle.

@karlvonbahnhof6594 Ай бұрын

If the bike has throttle that goes faster than 6kmh, it's considered e-moped, requires insurance, road tax, AM license, motorcycle helmet and is not allowed to be used in bicycle lanes...! So, while using throttle, ghost pedalling is way to go not to draw attention

@gonerydin4225 Ай бұрын

@@karlvonbahnhof6594 maybe true where you live. Sorry. Where I live in USA there are no such restrictions.

@jamesgretsch4894 Жыл бұрын

Hi I just subscribed.

@VoltVlog Жыл бұрын

Awesome, glad to have you as part of the community!

@clarencemcgregor8568 3 ай бұрын

Gee I bought two Adventon Solteras with torque sensors for less than $1,000 each.

@bty2550 10 ай бұрын

I doubt whether you’ve ridden a good torque sensor Ebike. They are far superior in every way. Cadence drive motors are cheaper because they are simply not as good. A cadence drive motor is either fully on, or fully off. No in-between, if your pedals are turning you get all the motor power available at that assistance level. You can’t modulate the power. Try to pedal at walking pace, you can’t. It feels very un-natural. Torque sensor drive motors however, can be modulated perfectly. They feel very much like riding a normal bicycle, but with the legs and cardiovascular abilities of an Olympic athlete, even for someone relatively unfit. If someone has set a budget for an Ebike and a torque drive motor is beyond that budget, that’s fine; the electrical assistance will be appreciated by many especially when it comes to the hills. I do however think that it is a little misleading to state that a cadence drive Ebike is is better in any way at all. Granted, they are cheaper, but only because they are worse.

@VoltVlog 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment. We appreciate your input and difference of opinion. It helps give us talking points and future content ideas. Happy riding!

@HouseofGausss 9 ай бұрын

The sensor itself might be superior like you state it. BUT, BUT, for the average person the use-case differs a lot. Sometimes we just want to sit back and let the motor do the work while we put little effort and sometimes we want to ride for fun's sake giving it everything we got. The torque sensors and the throttle on them simply don't match the power cadence sensors can give, even for the same wattage. You gotta pedal real hard to reach the top speed of a torque sensor ebike(and its slower) compared to a cadence sensor where you set it and give little effort. Sometimes the situation demands you to get to top speed real quick( traffic conditions), can't rely on the slow climb to top speed of torque sensors in those scenarios. All be it, torque sensors do provide a much more natural feeling when riding a bike, especially on trails. But for roads and daily commutes with car traffice, it can be really difficult for the person riding and to those around them if they have to entirely rely on their pedaling level and strength

@VoltVlog 9 ай бұрын

@@HouseofGausss You nailed my thoughts on it! Couldn't agree more.

@HouseofGausss 9 ай бұрын

@VoltVlog thanks, your video really helped put things in perspective

@waltersmithat70 2 ай бұрын

I have a bbs02 and get a good work out by using lower pas and peddling the difference .

@degroot50 9 ай бұрын

The trouble with torque sensor is: no control. The PAS gives you a throttle option and also the freedom of support at any level be it speed or power. I have both bikes in the family, torque and PAS and I've used them both. PAS is the best for me to relax and enjoy.

@18andlikeit 2 ай бұрын

Not sure what you mean. All ebikes have PAS (Pedal assist) from the motor whether it's cadence or torque sensor. PAS is the different levels of power you choose on any e-bike. And I'm not sure what you mean about "no control" with a torque sensor. It's actually much easier to control the motors power output with a torque sensor by how hard or soft you pedal. With a cadence sensor, you're stuck with whatever the power is programmed to in each PAS power level.

@tedwalker1370 Ай бұрын

Lectric has a bike now for sale for $1200 that has a torque sensor. Check it out. I have a bike with a cadence sensor and it has one thing I don't like. It can suddenly accelerate when least expected. If you are making a turn in loose gravel it can kick the front wheel out from under you putting you down in a fraction of a second. Just be aware of that if riding a cadence sensor.

@skeller61 29 күн бұрын

The problem I see with the cadence sensor is that it would be hard to ride it like a bike. If I want a bike that does the work for me, I’d get a motorcycle, since I don’t see the purpose of limiting both your exercise and your speed. If it works for you, power on!

@bassw1758 8 ай бұрын

Yeah totally sucks that all these new bikes all come with torque sensors instead of cadence, a torque sensor on an electric bike stupidest thing I ever heard of. Just about every bike built before 2015 had a torque sensor, wasn't all that great

@tedwalker1370 Ай бұрын

You need to do more research.

@Instantpower332 Ай бұрын

Your a small reviewer like myself, personally the only time recommend cadence is when the person. One has a problem peddling 2 if tne person wants a scooter. Otherwise there is no reason fro a cadence. I have had ebikes for over 20 years and have been helping the ebike community for over 20 years. I cannot tell you how many folks have gotten hurt on Cadence bikes vs torque bikes. Folks get annoyed but we always will be upfront and honest Instant Power 322