EVERY Time Signature EXPLAINED (using Nintendo Music)

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Cadence Hira

Cadence Hira

Күн бұрын

Patreon: / cadencehiramusictheory
Let's talk about (almost) every time signature from 1/4 - 31/16 using Nintendo music! MUSIC THEORY
Thanks again to my sister for Mario Odyssey, Breath of the Wild, and Splatoon 2 gameplay.
00:00 Intro
03:37 1/4
04:12 2/4
05:56 3/4
07:13 4/4
08:51 5/4
10:41 6/8
11:57 7/4
13:36 8/8
13:51 9/8
15:01 10/4
16:22 11/8
18:28 12/8
20:16 13/8
21:55 14/16
23:22 15/16
25:28 Intermission
25:45 21/16
27:32 23/8
28:58 24/8
29:57 31/16
31:24 Outro
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@CadenceHira
@CadenceHira 4 ай бұрын
TEARS OF THE KINGDOM SPOILERS ON 23/8. SKIP TO 28:58 TO AVOID That is completely my bad, ironically I have no perception of time and thought the game was out long enough. Also Final Fantasy VII spoiler from 4:20-4:27 but cmon now the game has been out for almost 30 years and is THE most video game spoiler spoiler.
@TheFlashyLucario
@TheFlashyLucario 4 ай бұрын
I haven’t watched and I already know which FF7 spoiler it is lol
@Apotheosis0
@Apotheosis0 4 ай бұрын
Why are people crying over TOTK spoilers when it’s the next year?
@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy
@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy 4 ай бұрын
The game was out 7 months ago cmon
@arcanelizard4646
@arcanelizard4646 4 ай бұрын
@@Apotheosis0because some of us can’t afford to buy the game on release and still want to experience it fresh when we can finally get it for ourselves
@color_of_twilight
@color_of_twilight 4 ай бұрын
Tbh iirc the ff7 spoiler was in the back of the boxart lmao
@AndrewsVideoEssays-yl3pb
@AndrewsVideoEssays-yl3pb 3 ай бұрын
Ahh, finally. A good video explaining time signatures in a clear, concise way. If there are any Great Value Blueberry jumpscares, I’m going to scream.
@skychaserthedragon2046
@skychaserthedragon2046 2 ай бұрын
Do you wanna talk about it?
@kugelblitz1557
@kugelblitz1557 2 ай бұрын
I get all bounty mega roll jump scares 😂. Sometimes less than a minute apart.
@thatdudewiththeplant
@thatdudewiththeplant Ай бұрын
Uhh, I should probably say something...
@penguin_reader_yt9510
@penguin_reader_yt9510 10 күн бұрын
Sure but the 13/8 jumpscare...
@linorder22
@linorder22 2 күн бұрын
Y'all talking about the blueberry jumpscare, but I'm getting Remix 3'd
@andreworders7305
@andreworders7305 4 ай бұрын
Splatoon’s Frothy waters has a time signature that increases every bar, making it use 10:8, 11:8, 12:8, 13:8, 14:8, 15:8, 16:8, 17:8, 18:8, 19:8, 20:8, 21:8, 22:8, 23:8, 24:8, and 25:8 all in one song.
@necron4306
@necron4306 4 ай бұрын
Cool!
@duckbuster6391
@duckbuster6391 4 ай бұрын
Dang
@Idiomatick
@Idiomatick 4 ай бұрын
Not nintendo but gilded runner in genshin impact does this too.
@SeegYT
@SeegYT 4 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this! That was a gnarly experience!
@crimezone3865
@crimezone3865 4 ай бұрын
that's actually insane
@ace131484
@ace131484 4 ай бұрын
Awesome music theory knowledge, and then... "Prime example" "This fusion" "Feeling of dread" 3 Metroid puns in one sentence, you hooked me. Subscribed
@sebaschan-uwu
@sebaschan-uwu Ай бұрын
Gamer learns that words actually have meanings in real life scenarios
@honeycrisp808
@honeycrisp808 Ай бұрын
@@sebaschan-uwu They were intentional puns put in by the scriptwriter. Nice try though.
@sebaschan-uwu
@sebaschan-uwu Ай бұрын
@@honeycrisp808 so?
@dazza2350
@dazza2350 Ай бұрын
@@sebaschan-uwu lmao true
@xcentric_gaming9264
@xcentric_gaming9264 Ай бұрын
Samus: *proceeds to fall offstage*
@Jeannie-Coffey
@Jeannie-Coffey 3 ай бұрын
The reason why you get such strange time signatures almost exclusively for final boss themes is to in contrast with the rest of the games music, put you off balance and enhance the drama by being so different from the more comfortable time signatures you find in house settings, protagonist themes etc. It enhances the direness of the situation
@zeropointer125
@zeropointer125 4 ай бұрын
I think my favourite weird time signature is Frothy Waters from Splatoon 3. After the intro, it goes into a 10/8, then 11/8 for the next bar, then 12/8 for the bar after that, then 13/8, 14/8 etc. It just loops a melody adding another repeating eigth note every bar and it's is just... beautiful
@ha-harmony
@ha-harmony 4 ай бұрын
Splatoon is such a goldmine for fun time signatures... both Deluge Dirge and Don't Slip have a 7/8 time signature c:
@squiddler7731
@squiddler7731 4 ай бұрын
​​@@ha-harmony not to mention bait and click, being 3/4. Not that special on it's own, but the fact that it's a corruption of 4/4 song that's had it's time signature remixed is so cool.
@grandre3464
@grandre3464 4 ай бұрын
@@ha-harmony Those two are my favorite splatoon songs to play on the drums lol
@TheOnlyKreator1
@TheOnlyKreator1 4 ай бұрын
Frantic Aspic is the flagship of Splatoon's music imo. 5/4 with a dissolved meter and offbeat triplets is something I haven't found anywhere else
@usershavenames
@usershavenames 4 ай бұрын
"Story 2" by Hip-Hop Group clipping. does something like this starting at 3/8, then 4/8... all the way to 8/8, then changing the pace & putting the 8/8 into triplets before restarting back at 3/8 & repeating.
@3f4gs4s
@3f4gs4s Ай бұрын
Time signatures is a way for your band teacher to torture you without getting arrested.
@PIMKAMINA2
@PIMKAMINA2 4 ай бұрын
it's incredible that music theory has managed to break down and categorize something that for the most part comes down to Vibes
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano 4 ай бұрын
4:12 I think the only way to truly have “1/4” is to have a completely consistent quarter note pulse with no emphasis given to any beat. So in reality that would basically just be a metronome count with no emphasis, just constant, homogenous clicks 😊😅 great video by the way!!
@CadenceHira
@CadenceHira 4 ай бұрын
That makes sense to me, but then again my lizard brain would probably still divide the clicks into powers of 2 and phrases of 4 lmao Also DAVID! I'm a huge fan of your stuff, I've seen all of your time signature videos a while ago and they were a huge inspiration for this video. Thanks for watching!
@DavidBennettPiano
@DavidBennettPiano 4 ай бұрын
@@CadenceHira thank you!! I stumbled across your channel today and really like it. Keep up the good work!
@Magst3r1
@Magst3r1 3 ай бұрын
Oh damn, it's David Bennett
@supershape8510
@supershape8510 5 күн бұрын
not a video game tune, but i think the song 'Spell with a Shell' by Cardiacs is a really good candidate for a 1/4 example. the main groove for the verse section of the song is a pulsating synth playing a single note on every beat, overlayed with a solitary bass drum with occasional light fills at perhaps arbitrary points. this groove gives the song a sort of freeform vibe, where it can for short intervals sound like a particular time signature, but never stay still on any until the chorus comes, of which is, unlike the verse, at least countable in 2/4.
@krackerjackism
@krackerjackism 4 ай бұрын
I had no idea Moon was in 15/16. It sounds so clean and pure that I just assumed it was 4/4
@Gelatinocyte2
@Gelatinocyte2 4 ай бұрын
That's because the rest of the tune actually IS just in 4/4, it's only the intro that's in 15/16
@MegaKrinkle
@MegaKrinkle 4 ай бұрын
that's the neat trick of putting the "rushed" subdivision somewhere in the middle instead of at the end of the measure, makes it sound a lot more clean
@wired2u746
@wired2u746 4 ай бұрын
Okay, so during the 11/8 section she brings up sagat's theme from SFII a peak game. What she doesn't mention is the cool as hell reason the composer decided to use 11/8 it was more than just a choice to make the song sound awesome (even though it does) in the original street fighter 2 hyper fighting, there are only 8 playable characters, however there are 4 final boss fights that are unplayable but still definitely feel like fighters, sagat is the third of these fighters, making him the 11th of eight fighters, aka 11/8 fighters. This is so awesome and I really wish she mentioned this, but now you know
@rowdyriolu1
@rowdyriolu1 3 ай бұрын
Ooooooh cool 🤩
@dannymdrew
@dannymdrew 29 күн бұрын
My brain wants it to be 5.5/4 so bad lmao
@mamasitas3566
@mamasitas3566 7 күн бұрын
Ohh my goodness that's such a cool little Easter egg xD I love it when game developers put so much care and love in their games even in the littlest things
@DogBehaviorGuy
@DogBehaviorGuy Ай бұрын
every single thing that has ever bothered me about time signatures was instantly remedied when you said it's, in practice, typically added retrospectively based on what feels right. that explains why i couldn't actually math the math and make it math right.
@adenzaki7531
@adenzaki7531 4 ай бұрын
i have an example of 8/8! In a concert band i was in a few years back we played a piece called Bulgarian Dances and I think it was the third movement that was written in 8/8 with subdivison of 3/3/2 which gave it a similar feel to 5/4 with that last beat rushing a little bit more than the others. Actually 8/8 is really interesting because of this structure built into it and the feel can change a lot depending on where you place the shorter beat in relation to the longer ones.
@murmurmerman
@murmurmerman 4 ай бұрын
Bartok's "Mikrokosmos" #151 and 153 are both in 8. #151 is in 3+2+3, and #153 is in 3+3+2
@Keenath
@Keenath 4 ай бұрын
Isn't 8/8 with a 3-3-2 subdivision just the classic tresillo rhythm? That's everywhere in any latin-influenced music from the Charleston to Coldplay's "Clocks". I'm sure there's an example in Mario Sunshine somewhere.
@Gingermaas
@Gingermaas 4 ай бұрын
@@KeenathI also hear it when I listen to clocks. I also saw it in Frank Ticheli’s Vesuvius, which I was fortunate enough to play last year.
@toprak3479
@toprak3479 4 ай бұрын
tresillo
@Brdmm95
@Brdmm95 4 ай бұрын
⁠@@Gingermaasdon’t forget that he uses a 1/4 bar at least 2 times in that.
@larho9031
@larho9031 4 ай бұрын
00:00 Intro 03:37 1/4 04:12 2/4 (Advent: One Winged Angel - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate) 05:56 3/4 (Rosalina in the Observatory - Super Mario Galaxy) 07:13 4/4 (Main Menu - Wii Sports Resort) 08:51 5/4 (Gear Getaway - Super Smash Bros WiiU/3DS) 10:41 6/8 (Flipside - Super Paper Mario) 11:57 7/4 (Mother Brain - Super Metroid) 13:36 8/8 13:51 9/8 (Title Theme - The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker) 15:01 10/8 (Trainers' Eyes Meet (Psychic) - Pokemon X/Y) 16:22 11/8 (Forgotten Isle - Super Mario Odyssey) 18:28 12/8 (Remix 3 - Rhythm Heaven) 20:16 13/8 (Shrine Battle - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild) 21:55 14/16 (Yuga-Ganon Battle - The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds) 23:22 15/16 (The Moon - DuckTales (NES)) 25:28 Intermission 25:45 "21/16" (Pokémon Mansion - Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green) 27:32 23/8 (Demon King Ganondorf (Phase 2) - The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom) 28:58 24/8 (Shrine Battle - The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom) 29:57 31/16 (Fishing Frenzy - Splatoon 2) 31:24 Outro mightve did something wrong but i think this is right
@larho9031
@larho9031 4 ай бұрын
@@ApplzAndHoney no problem. should be fixed now
@ApplzAndHoney
@ApplzAndHoney 4 ай бұрын
@@larho9031 yep, imma delete my reply so no one hates me:3
@symptomofsouls
@symptomofsouls 4 ай бұрын
How does Marx's theme not get a mention the entire song is just random 5/4s and 7/4 inserted with no pattern into 3/4
@PlasticNotes
@PlasticNotes 4 ай бұрын
Kinda sad we didn’t get any mention of 7/8 😢
@EvenFlow391
@EvenFlow391 4 ай бұрын
This deserves a pin
@evanchilson9829
@evanchilson9829 4 ай бұрын
I know this isn't what the video is about, but at 10:10, you brought up the Mission Impossible theme, which is comprised of two "long notes" and two "short notes". If interpreted as dashes and dots respectively, the simple 4 note loop is morse code for M.I. -- Mission Impossible.
@justdis804
@justdis804 3 ай бұрын
as a musician, that cut at 20:16 to that combination of music and 13/8 staring me in the soul legit made me jump!
@hue_kadseninhalator
@hue_kadseninhalator 3 ай бұрын
I was looking for this comment😂. 100% true
@supremekirb
@supremekirb 4 ай бұрын
A lot of other people have brought it up, but Mother 3’s "Strong One (Masked Man)" has an absolutely insane time signature, even more than Fishing Frenzy, and unlike that song it doesn’t give any good musical hints on how to count it. The game has a mechanic where if you time button presses to the music you get extra damage in, so the songs get progressively weirder throughout the game. This is the peak of that.
@NummyGD
@NummyGD 4 ай бұрын
Strong One (Masked Man) is in 15/8, it just has a bunch of tempo changes which is why it sounds wonky
@mr.duckie._.
@mr.duckie._. 4 ай бұрын
Game mechanic: Press to the beat of the song to deal extra damage! It won't be _that_ hard! Final boss: GO GO GADGET 71907/40120 TIME SIGNATURE
@showmeyourmoves9986
@showmeyourmoves9986 4 ай бұрын
​​@@NummyGD I actually think Strong One (Masked Man) is in 29/16. Strong One, the theme of the barrier trio in the other hand, is indeed in 15/8
@mischacarlberg6631
@mischacarlberg6631 4 ай бұрын
I think it's kind of cheating to count it as 29/16 as all they do is change the tempo, so any time signature you come up with would be slightly inaccurate at best. 5/4+5/8 is my preferred way of counting Strong One
@jblen
@jblen 4 ай бұрын
@mischacarlberg6631 IIRC it was programmed into the game in 4/4 with tempo changes, so if you ignore tempo changes it's 4/4 or if you don't then it's 29/16. It's more cheating to split it than it is to call it how it sounds. (For anyone interested, there's a silvagunner rip where someone removed the tempo changes to restore how it was put into the system, which feels like 3/4+5/4 but who knows if it was composed like that or if it was composed with the tempo changes intended? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fdqji5Cc3svHh6s.html)
@FunkyGhost37
@FunkyGhost37 4 ай бұрын
I actually really appreciate this video. I've watched plenty of music theory time signature videos going "Oh I see!(I don't.)", so actually hearing songs I'm more familiar with their beats, makes this much MUCH more clearer.
@LordMarlle
@LordMarlle 4 ай бұрын
Also it's very well explained, like she's talking to human beings, that doesn't already understand the theory, which is kinda rare
@doodlelala
@doodlelala Ай бұрын
14:37 correction! This is not like a jig, but like a slipjig! you can tell because you can say the words “eggs, rashers and sausages” to the rhythm. A jig would be just “rashers and sausages”, and a reel is “black and decker” or “double decker”. I have not yet found a helpful mnemonic for identifying hornpipes. Probably you already knew this, you know more about time signatures than I ever will, but on the off chance it’s helpful, thought I’d comment!
@somethingforsenro
@somethingforsenro Ай бұрын
as a musician this has actually helped me learn how to compose in unusual time signatures. i would never have figured out the ‘dotted quarter, dotted quarter, quarter-quarter’ tactic for 5/4, or the triplet/duplet difference between 3/4 and 6/8
@estherstreet4582
@estherstreet4582 9 күн бұрын
5/4 seems like such a scary time signature and then you realise that basically *every* song in 5/4 uses that exact same rhythm. From Eden by Hozier is another good example of a song in 5/4, it's a beautiful ballad that has the same rhythm as a bunch of action movie themes.
@FreddeGreddeMusic
@FreddeGreddeMusic 4 ай бұрын
Cool, I've noticed most of these examples when playing the games. I love odd time signatures and hope this video encourages people to experiment more with their compositions! 😁
@CadenceHira
@CadenceHira 4 ай бұрын
Thx for the kind words Fredde! I am a huge fan of your stuff, I've been watching your vids for over a decade :D
@rimuruborges7785
@rimuruborges7785 4 ай бұрын
​@@CadenceHira I want u to talk about this song kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y86jhKehqNfceZs.htmlsi=dj4lZpYvbPwiUegE
@mitskilover2004
@mitskilover2004 4 ай бұрын
The great value blueberries had me in tears
@two_squared
@two_squared 3 ай бұрын
I think while not nintendo music, the spongebob theme song is 8/8. It just fits better than 4/4, especially because of the AT EASE part.
@monkeydreams
@monkeydreams 3 ай бұрын
I don't get it 😭
@daveslamjam
@daveslamjam 3 ай бұрын
@@monkeydreams it's representative of "the most thing ever," with nothing complex or out of the ordinary about it, nothing to observe about it really.
@EclipseSystem
@EclipseSystem 2 ай бұрын
@@daveslamjam oh my fucking god it's dave strider.
@fartsfarts8831
@fartsfarts8831 2 ай бұрын
Are you from Michigan or are you unsure?
@Fatal_Error404-lo4bc
@Fatal_Error404-lo4bc Ай бұрын
There are some great orchestra examples of the fact that 5/4 is more commonly felt as 2/4 + 3/4 as well. Cajun Folk Songs (Movement 2) is a great example. The entire song revolves around the same melody, however there are many, MANY time signature changes that alternate between 2/4, 3/4, and 5/4. Slightly less stable time signatures like 5/4 often have songs with the occasional measure that switches time signature to one of it's more stable counterparts (2/4 or 3/4) before returning to the original melody in 5/4. Some also use the time signature switches to spin counterparts of the melody.
@viridianloom
@viridianloom 4 ай бұрын
24:31 YES, I love how she explained music analysis. I've tried to explain to people that sometimes you might like music that seems odd or weird to you if you give it more listens because you need to know ahead of time how all the pieces fit together so you can start detecting the patterns and movements in a song.
@clairebit
@clairebit 4 ай бұрын
Really big fan of Marx’s theme in Kirby Super Star, with the absolutely insane switch ups in signature making it feel nearly impossible to play in real time which adds to the cosmic horror of the fight
@CadenceHira
@CadenceHira 4 ай бұрын
I talked about it in my 6 Levels of Kirby Harmony video!
@MrSlimerGameplay
@MrSlimerGameplay 4 ай бұрын
UGHH this is so great. it really scratches the brain the right ways, because every in time signature. you're trying to make sense of it - but then the use of nintendo music refreshes and calms you, with vibe you kinda know and feel! Good visuals aswell! wish you did the clapping with your hands aswell well and counting with your voice haha
@markerbenson
@markerbenson 3 ай бұрын
holy crap the explanation you give at 24:41 is one of the smartest things I think I've ever heard someone say about music theory! a concept with such depth explained so succinctly. amazing work on this video!!
@lilyrosethevtuberfan
@lilyrosethevtuberfan 4 ай бұрын
Big Splatoon fan here, so happy to see Splatoon salmon run music represented in this video. ω-3 music is so beautifully chaotic, and as a lover of odd time signatures, some of my favorite vgm of all time. Plenty of other SR songs have irregular time signatures as well, such as Deluge Dirge in 7/8, and Frantic Aspic in 5/4, perfectly encapsulating SR’s intense, dramatic, zombie-apocalypse-like environment.
@princeapoopoo5787
@princeapoopoo5787 2 ай бұрын
Splatoon music is such a mixed bag for me, but I consistently love the Omega 3 music more than most music I've ever heard before. Love the use of Fishing Frenzy
@japhy5147
@japhy5147 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for including Fishing Frenzy !!! Splatoon's Salmon Run osts have crazy time signatures that keep changing all the time, it's really interesting to hear
@yellowslotcar
@yellowslotcar 13 күн бұрын
Best explanation of time signatures I've ever seen. Not just because you show examples, but the base explanation you give at the start is also way better then anything I've seen
@yackus716
@yackus716 2 ай бұрын
I know you didn’t do 11/4, but a great example of that is the eastern province theme from Pokémon Scarlet and Violet! It can also be read as a repeating 5/4 and 6/4 pattern and it’s so wonderful to listen to.
@bassboostwoof6123
@bassboostwoof6123 4 ай бұрын
I just wanted to say thank you for using the eighth note tied to the quarter note ( 9:48 ) for dotted-quarter notes that start on the offbeat...it's such an often overlooked convention in notation that is really helpful for seeing where the beat is while reading.
@CadenceHira
@CadenceHira 4 ай бұрын
i am the invisible barline's strongest soldier
@fourtreemouths
@fourtreemouths 3 ай бұрын
agree, i’ve even confused myself when writing my own music on staves, by opting for dotted notes in the composition phase, then coming back to play it at a later date and tripping up on the same dotted notes, especially when there’s a syncopation or polyrhythm between voices. the tied notes are often way more legible, digestible,and not that much more time consuming to write on the page.
@Mullkaw
@Mullkaw Ай бұрын
thats interesting bc ive never liked seeing that LMAO
@enderskore8056
@enderskore8056 4 ай бұрын
I forget the exact time signatures, but my favorite use of strange time signatures is Marx's theme from Kirby! How it manages to keep a comprehensible and catchy melody amidst all those changes is magic to me.
@CadenceHira
@CadenceHira 4 ай бұрын
It's a banger track! I talked about it in my 6 Levels of Kirby Harmony video :)
@VortexF
@VortexF 4 ай бұрын
​@@CadenceHirahave you ever of mother 3's strong one and the masked man version of that,it is literally the strangest time signature I've ever come across in a video game
@galenwilds3273
@galenwilds3273 4 ай бұрын
Was hoping someone would bring up Marx's theme. It's so catchy that i never realized how the time signature keeps bouncing around until someone pointed it out.
@Kist_This
@Kist_This 2 ай бұрын
Hey Cadence, great video! I’m new here, however, I’m a professional musician and piano performance major in college. One of my theory professors changed my understanding of beat for the better. One of common phrases we hear is “sub-divide” the beat, which is implying that you cut the beat into one or two subsets. However, that is a very loose term for what it is. The prefix “Sub” implies underneath or secondary function. If this was true, a quarter note’s (QN) “second division” would be a 16th note, as you’ll have to split the QN twice to get there. I would argue saying you need to “Divide” a beat and then “sub-divide” is better. If I divide a quarter note, I get an 8th note, then if I sub-divide the QN, I’ll get my 16th. I would love to hear what you or others will think about this!
@wanderinggstars
@wanderinggstars 19 күн бұрын
i love the way you explain music theory!!! talking about the feel and intuition of making music while discussing theory is really helpful perspective.
@beckhaywood8370
@beckhaywood8370 4 ай бұрын
Criminally underrated channel
@imasocialist
@imasocialist 4 ай бұрын
True
@hyperwebster_297
@hyperwebster_297 4 ай бұрын
8/8 definitely exists, but generally as a complex time signature rather than duple or compound. I usually see it used to reflect tresillo (3+3+2) rhythms, but of course these can also be written and heard as syncopations in 4/4. As with a lot of time signatures, it's kinda arbitrary and is more the choice of the composer than anything that can be definitively transcribed
@CadenceHira
@CadenceHira 4 ай бұрын
Yeah I know what you mean. 3+3+2 is probably the strongest argument for 8 but my lizard brain can't not hear syncopated 4/4.
@youraverageyoutubeuser6608
@youraverageyoutubeuser6608 4 ай бұрын
I can SEE this but I don't know anyone who wouldn't write that as just 4/4.
@Dashie04
@Dashie04 4 ай бұрын
I don’t know if it’s wrong, but this is indeed how I count songs such as Clocks by Coldplay
@ferusskywalker9167
@ferusskywalker9167 4 ай бұрын
​@@youraverageyoutubeuser6608composers sometimes write out 3+3+2/8 instead of 4/4 to show how to feel the piece rather than just give the notes
@vharmi.
@vharmi. 4 ай бұрын
I've played a lot of wind band band music, and my mind immediately goes to El Camino Real by Alfred Reed when I hear 8/8. There's a section about halfway into the piece that's 3+2+3. You really can't write it in 4 with how it's subdivided, so 8 it is :)
@gnoot50
@gnoot50 Ай бұрын
its very cool that you transcribed all the music you showed as examples of the time signatures, it also helped me a bit to understand more of how music theory works
@milquetoast-beans
@milquetoast-beans 4 ай бұрын
This is amazing. If I had this 5-6 years ago when I was doing Musicology this would’ve helped so much. Love it!
@thetacoboat
@thetacoboat 4 ай бұрын
Music has always been so alien to me, at least in its construction. Like, yeah I love jamming out to songs, but all of the terminology just racked my brain to think about, and nobody has explained it in a way that made sense to me. But now I really feel like I understand time signatures and how they can evoke a variety of feelings tones within music, and I've even been a bit inspired to think of making my own music trying out different time signatures to see what happens. thanks a ton!
@gwennorthcutt421
@gwennorthcutt421 2 ай бұрын
i do have some familiarity with music signatures and even i really appreciate how easy and approachable this video is! like not just showing the songs, but then breaking it down by the staff and then counting off the beats atop the song.
@Orzorn
@Orzorn 2 ай бұрын
Agreed. I listen to a lot of music, even read music theory or about how music was composed. But time signatures were always something that I could feel but never properly explain. I think she broke it down in a way that anybody can understand!
@DSteinman
@DSteinman 4 ай бұрын
Wind Waker theme is what you'd call in Irish music, a slip jig. It's a really good one, you could slip it into a set of Irish slip jigs and no one would complain.
@CavyWheek
@CavyWheek Ай бұрын
Great explanation of time sigs. It's all about what beats you want at rest and which ones you want to rush for effect. I've never been into games but the music in them is awesome! Thanks for the video.
@DaYoda191
@DaYoda191 2 ай бұрын
This is really well explained! I'm a drummer and I tend to find myself drawn to the down beat as my reference for counting, and try and figure out the time signature from that. So I often would first hear an example you give and think, that's a weird way to count that its just 4/4 or 5/4. But then you did a great job of showing me why I was wrong haha. But I like that, time signatures are a bit weird and deciphering them is tricky. I'm honestly not that good at it and usually just "feel" it and play what seems appropriate.
@thespeedyyoshi
@thespeedyyoshi 4 ай бұрын
I love the breakdown you gave for each time signature. It really helped make it clear what I was trying to feel especially in the later sections ^^ Been here since the Andrew Huang chordstory challenge so it’s insanely cool to see you evolve your channel in this way ^^
@LavaCreeperPeople
@LavaCreeperPeople 4 ай бұрын
you will probably love IN - Stage 4 theme
@a-ramenartist9734
@a-ramenartist9734 4 ай бұрын
I really like the 13/4 groove in the theme for cryogenic hopetown in splatoon 3 its just splendid. I did a transcription for it for piano and its fun to play too.
@redtomato4903
@redtomato4903 4 ай бұрын
I think I found your transcription on musescore. It sounds even prettier on piano!
@a-ramenartist9734
@a-ramenartist9734 4 ай бұрын
@@redtomato4903 ty. if you do try playing it do note that the fingering is pretty bad (been meaning to redo it but I just forget)
@chrispham6599
@chrispham6599 4 ай бұрын
​@a-ramenartist9734 can I has link?
@LordMarlle
@LordMarlle 4 ай бұрын
Love this video, your style and humour and pedagogic approach to teaching theory. The Duck Tales part in particular was wonderfully written
@lioemblem3550
@lioemblem3550 4 ай бұрын
This video was absolutely amazing Im so thankful for this
@Rolli_Zolli
@Rolli_Zolli 4 ай бұрын
I'm sure someone else has brought it up, but Mother 3 is pretty iconic for its use of funky time signatures, names 15/8 in Strong One and 29/16 in Strong One (Masked Man). Also, on the topic of Splatoon's Salmon Run mode, the tune Frothy Waters from Splatoon 3 has some really interesting shifting time signature biz going on, it's REALLY fun to try to keep up with imo.
@liammcgrath7051
@liammcgrath7051 4 ай бұрын
7:28 this is the exaxt moment this video went from good to great. im glad i found this channel, cuz i have a feeling this vid is gonna blow up
@heretible
@heretible 6 күн бұрын
Super charming video, subbed instantly, gonna binge everything you've ever made thanks bye
@LRFLEW
@LRFLEW 4 ай бұрын
If you're counting the 11/8 + 12/8 from the TotK Ganondorf theme as 23/8, then I have another (Nintendo-adjacent) example: Oh No! WASPS!! from Bug Fables. I think that one might be an even clearer example, because it plays each beat (particularly with the percussion), and the base line clearly indicates the divisions of 2-2-2-2-3 2-2-2-3-3.
@gullhaar
@gullhaar 4 ай бұрын
No surprise that you would have perfect comedic timing too. Comes through in the vido editing. Great stuff
@rosesaurus1255
@rosesaurus1255 5 күн бұрын
This video is overwhelmingly high quality. I don't usually post comments, but I just have to say, “Wow.” You break down these complex themes in such digestible ways. You deeply understand these topics and can break down years’ worth of knowledge into a 30 minute video. Incredible. You also exemplify it with Nintendo music, making it further compelling and palatable. You clearly put a bunch of effort into each of your videos by choosing *the best* examples of whatever you're describing. Love the quality ❤️
@CodyRockLee13
@CodyRockLee13 4 ай бұрын
My favorite example of 13/8 has always been, and will always be, "Weapons Factory" from Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars. Also, I always love that any video or discussion of this type of stuff always elicits people sharing their favorite examples, I've found so many wonderful pieces from games I've missed that way.
@SupahNESS
@SupahNESS 4 ай бұрын
I was so certain when I clicked this video that Weapons Factory was gonna be in it :(
@mrjellyfish2
@mrjellyfish2 4 ай бұрын
as someone who isn't very educated in music theory, this really helped explain why rhythms can make me feel a certain way! great video!
@orangeflavoredtoothpaste7420
@orangeflavoredtoothpaste7420 3 ай бұрын
So this is how I discover your channel. Amazing vid and I'm hella curious what other stuff you got
@SebOiram
@SebOiram 4 ай бұрын
I love how you brought up Remix 3! You really hit the points of why I liked the groove so much. I loved It so much that it is the song that got me into music arranging and became my first ever arrangement I made back in middle school!
@gplgs4640
@gplgs4640 4 ай бұрын
This is the most thoroughly i’ve ever understood time signatures and general music sheet stuff. That being said, I still don’t understand a single thing about time signatures and general music sheet stuff. It’s a me problem though. You did a great job regardless
@Fexxis_
@Fexxis_ 4 ай бұрын
I once played Celebration Tribalesque by Randall D. Standridge in band, and for a short segment, it instructs the conductor to “conduct in one”. I always felt that it was, in fact, in 1/4.
@Gelatinocyte2
@Gelatinocyte2 4 ай бұрын
1/4 is really such an unhelpful time signature, it can be a copout answer to any other time signatures that are hard to follow. You can see this in music websites that supposedly identifies the time signature of any tune; it'll just output "1/4" to any tunes with number of beats that are not multiples of 2 or 3, or do not have an obvious/consistent loop (i.e. not in a n/8 or n/16 time signature).
@MarcoAnteroMusic
@MarcoAnteroMusic 13 күн бұрын
Amazing job! Kudos for the transcriptions!
@nogoaway7540
@nogoaway7540 4 ай бұрын
This is an excellent explanation, very clear and easy to follow. The point about feel and breaking it down into friendlier numbers and downbeats is very intuitive.
@AndrewSlee9
@AndrewSlee9 4 ай бұрын
the section about 11/8 and Indonesian Gamelan was so fascinating! Huge props to Koji Kondo for incorporating that into such a huge game. great video !
@HESOMADBRO
@HESOMADBRO 4 ай бұрын
As a musician thats not too familiar with music theory, I feel like this video somehow gave me a worse understanding of time signatures than before. Maybe it's like a Dunning-Kruger effect, where I am now more aware of how much I didn't know beforehand.
@UNHchabo
@UNHchabo 3 ай бұрын
I listen to a decent amount of prog that just sort of grooves, and I definitely think there are some songs I could play by feel, but if I tried counting them it might screw me up! :D
@jean-marcknight8816
@jean-marcknight8816 3 ай бұрын
Being aware of what you don't know is the opposite of D/K
4 ай бұрын
13:53 Gerudo Valley from Ocarina of Time is 8/8! 3+3+2. I have hears versions played in 4/4 (2+2+2+2) but 8/8 sounds much more in character.
@heart022
@heart022 3 ай бұрын
I actually love this video! Great job!
@stevengoomba6490
@stevengoomba6490 4 ай бұрын
definitely have some new tracks to add to my weird time signatures playlist. Mother 3 has quite a few battle themes that add a beat to the original one to throw you off since you can time your button presses to the music during battle, which is a super cool aspect of the game. I’m probably remembering wrong, but the track “Strong One” technically has a time signature in the hundreds. I have no clue how to divide it so I brute forced my way through that boss.
@3spoons366
@3spoons366 4 ай бұрын
Strong one is a lot simpler than most people think. Off the top of my head it's 15/8? If you keep a beat based on the first 3 timpani notes you'll notice that when they come back they'll be on the backbeat and when it comes back again it will still be synced with the first ones. It just has you combo in a strange rhythm. Now the masked man variant? I have no idea.
@ravingrabbits32
@ravingrabbits32 4 ай бұрын
strong one has a time signature of 15/8. strong one (masked man), however, has a time signature of 29/16 (which is kinda just 15/8 with a 16th note cut out of it)
@NummyGD
@NummyGD 4 ай бұрын
@@ravingrabbits32Wrong, masked man is still in 15/8. It just has a bunch of tempo changes which is why it sounds wonky
@stevengoomba6490
@stevengoomba6490 4 ай бұрын
@@NummyGD love to see this discussion but I don’t think I’ll ever get the timing down
@chinchirap
@chinchirap 4 ай бұрын
I really like that you trasformed the outro theme to 31/8. Great videooo
@i.lydsss
@i.lydsss 4 ай бұрын
Had the stupidest grin across my face after realizing 😆
@jaimegardea6037
@jaimegardea6037 4 ай бұрын
I love this kind of videos. You’re amazing, I know you’ll reach a huge audience if you continue creating content like this
@BinglesP
@BinglesP 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. I've struggled a lot with trying to understand time signatures for as long as I've thought about how music is made.
@GrumpySylveon
@GrumpySylveon 4 ай бұрын
13:35 Dread, prime, fusion.... incredible arrangement of puns
@MusicalPlayground717
@MusicalPlayground717 4 ай бұрын
Amazing video as always. As far as the 1/4 goes, I feel like when a relentless repeated downbeat pattern appears, without any variation in emphasis, that could be considered 1/4. Maybe something like the opening of the famous shower cue from “Psycho.” Now, it wouldn’t be the most sight-readable thing in the world; it’s a lot easier for rehearsal purposes to just expand the beats into 2/4 or something. But if the emphasis really doesn’t vary - like, if there are no weak or strong beats - then purely in terms of musical feel, there’s no justification for anything other than 1/4.
@AlbySilly
@AlbySilly 4 ай бұрын
To me personally it sounds like it's in 3
@FukGZilla
@FukGZilla 4 ай бұрын
1/4 is one of those pretty much never used. I've only ever seen it as a starting pickup measure. However, 1/1 is used more often as a sustain for the conductor's cue.
@thatdudewiththeplant
@thatdudewiththeplant Ай бұрын
I cannot put into words how helpful this video is. I've been learning music theory for the past couple of years, so I know the basic 4/4, 2/4, 3/4, but I wasn't so sure about others. And as a huge video game fan, especially nintendo, my heart practically skipped a beat seeing this on my recommended. Thanks.
@ruthannmontgomerywall2030
@ruthannmontgomerywall2030 Ай бұрын
Great explanation of time signatures! I’m starting to comprehend it because of the great examples you use!
@captainniiue1977
@captainniiue1977 4 ай бұрын
This isn't a Nintendo tune but Good Morning Good Morning by The Beatles I think would be a good example of 1/4 because there's no other consistent way to subdivide the measures for most of the song. There are also parts of it that are 4/4 and 12/8
@Audraxys
@Audraxys 4 ай бұрын
13:23 When I heard "this fusion" I was so hoping you were going to sneak dread into that sentence too
@Audraxys
@Audraxys 4 ай бұрын
And I just noticed you got prime in there as well
@AnarchistArtificer
@AnarchistArtificer 6 күн бұрын
This video made me want to revisit learning music theory, which is probably the highest compliment a video like this can receive. I especially enjoyed the part that you described as you "manifesto" - your enthusiasm was contagious
@wyrdplae8586
@wyrdplae8586 2 ай бұрын
This was more useful than most videos on the topic that I have watched and I have been interested and confused by timesigs for near on a decade now.
@yoshui
@yoshui 4 ай бұрын
Super Paper Mario has quite a bit of musical oddities. The track 'Hammer Whacker' uses 7/4 to sound playful and chaotic. The mini boss battle theme 'A Powerful Enemy Emerges' starts off with a 4 to 3 polyrythm.
@NEOL1NK
@NEOL1NK 4 ай бұрын
A use case for stuff like 8/8 or 16/16 would be if you're scoring something proggy that changes time signatures every other bar, but is felt with the same bottom meter throughout. So if you have this fast 16th-note instrumental run going 15/16, 16/16, 15/16, 17/16 or something like that, it might look neater and more consistent to hold the 16/16 than to suddenly consolidate it to 4/4. Just a little thing I remember running into in Guitar Pro back in the day lol.
@TIGERSHARK827
@TIGERSHARK827 3 ай бұрын
I don't know how they would write it themselves, but one prog song I can think of where I would do this is In the Presence of Enemies, Pt. 2 by Dream Theater. The beat starting at 2:36 rotates between 9/8 and what I would call 8/8, as it makes way more sense to me to count every other measure as 8 than slow down to counting in 4
@solifa1
@solifa1 3 ай бұрын
20:25 Don’t tell me I’m the only one who noticed the bwee bwee bwee bwee.
@thecrystalfox2450
@thecrystalfox2450 4 ай бұрын
Awesome video keep up the good work 🔥🔥💯 this video reminds me of the channel 8 bit music theory 🔥
@cornshot9857
@cornshot9857 4 ай бұрын
I love how there's gaps in time sigs like there's gaps in stability on the periodic table. Very cool!
@therobinflieseast
@therobinflieseast 4 ай бұрын
My favourite example of a time signature change is in the game Rhythm Doctor. The gameplay is primarily pressing the spacebar on the 7th beat (with all the distractions/speed changes etc to expect from a rhythm game). Basically all the songs are in 4/4, except for the boss level for act 4. The song itself starts in the same 4/4, but the second half switches to 7/8. It's just such a clever way of adding a new gimmick and taking the basic rule of pressing on the 7th beat to its absolute limit. Well worth a play
@mr.duckie._.
@mr.duckie._. 2 ай бұрын
the first boss (night mode) also switches to 7/8
@eric8764
@eric8764 20 күн бұрын
​@@mr.duckie._.That's what they meant when they said act 4 boss.
@skullmastergamer
@skullmastergamer 17 күн бұрын
I think the thing that screwed me over is that the first measure ended on the seventh beat (because it’s in 7/8, duh) of a 4/4 measure so I kept thinking the next one ended on the seventh beat every time instead of the sixth, then fifth, etc.
@therobinflieseast
@therobinflieseast 16 күн бұрын
@@eric8764 yeah. Know You/Murmurs are called 4-4 and 4-4N respectively, while the boss levels are all X (All The Times is 2-X etc). There isn't technically a 4-X, but 1-XN is available only after you complete Know You so it's as good as the boss level for the act
@fourtreemouths
@fourtreemouths 3 ай бұрын
i love the language around rhythms, its subjectivity and malleability. i laud your nuance and repeated acknowledgement of subjectivity in how rhythms are felt and thus perceived / counted/ subdivided. for instance, i usually feel quintuple time (5/4, 5/8) to feel more linger-y, while septuple meters (7/4, 7/8) evoke more a rush or haste, on account of 5 being one more than 4, and 7 being just shy of 8. But i recognize that’s just a generalization and i don’t hold it as “law,” the feel further depends on the rhythmic content within the bar (subdivisions or syncopations), it’s just fun to know how many ways we can think about and internalize rhythm. i’ve so many thoughts about this great topic but will just say, great video thank you for the awesome showcase of fun game grooves.
@spenjaminn3846
@spenjaminn3846 Ай бұрын
My favorite odd time signature in video game music is the cross-examination theme from “Ace Attorney: Justice For All” Every Ace Attorney game has two cross examination themes, “moderato” and “allegro”, with the allegro version being faster, having different instrumentation, adding another section, and usually being higher pitched. In AA:JFA, the moderato version is entirely in 27/8, which alternates between 14/8 and 13/8 every measure. The allegro version starts off the same way, in 27/8, but it goes into a second section that is in 25/8, alternating between 13/8 and 12/8 every measure.
4 ай бұрын
Excellent video! New subscriber. I like to think of 8/8 as a better option for the typical "3/8 + 3/8 + 2/8", but I know that by convention we use 4/4 for that (one example could be Mt. Moon from Pokemon games)
@flyingpiggy1475
@flyingpiggy1475 4 ай бұрын
That rhymhic idea is called a clave or a terrillso
@abugidaiguess
@abugidaiguess 4 ай бұрын
@@flyingpiggy1475 you mean tresillo?
4 ай бұрын
Yep. Although I think people more often talk about tresillo when it's in sixteenth notes so that it lasts 2 beats. Fun fact: in Spanish, we use the word "tresillo" for what you call "triplet". Some people talk about "tresillo cubano" (which would translate like cuban triplet) to mean what you just call "tresillo".
@flyingpiggy1475
@flyingpiggy1475 4 ай бұрын
@@abugidaiguess yws
@metalsuazo1173
@metalsuazo1173 4 ай бұрын
ludofonia bilingue, increible
@elive19
@elive19 4 ай бұрын
This is so cool!! I don’t know much music theory despite playing violin for ten years and counting, this has inspired me to learn more! Thank you for all the work you out into this video, it’s such a great entertaining but knowledgeable explanation:D
@Zalaniar
@Zalaniar 4 ай бұрын
I'm only 2 and a half minutes in and I already love this video. You're explaining things in a way that makes sense to me when music theory type things have always been so difficult for me to grasp.
@athenaiscafe4216
@athenaiscafe4216 Ай бұрын
I've been playing the trombone for 15 years and trumpet for 5 years and I love rythm so much I plan on learning drums next year. Time signatures can be tricky, but it feels like a puzzle and once you've understand the piece you're working on it feels so great! Great video, very understandable and it's super clever tu use famous game pieces to explain all that! 👌🏼✨
@mla734
@mla734 4 ай бұрын
Cadence: The perfect 4/4 song doesn't exi- NOSTALGA JUMPSCARE
@squiddler7731
@squiddler7731 4 ай бұрын
I actually have the perfect example of 8/4 (or 8/8? Maybe 8/2 i dunno) that I thought of after watching this video! Splattack from Splatoon, _but specifically_ the Dedf1sh cover of it from octo expansion. There's a version of this theme in both Splatoon 1 and 3 that are in 4/4, but the cover in octo expansion (appropriately named "octo") is explicitly remixed to be 8 beats per measure instead of 4, and it's so explicit that even I can't help but hear it.
@user-xr5ur1uc9j
@user-xr5ur1uc9j 4 ай бұрын
One of the funnest videos I’ve watched, great stuff!
@justinalexanderroth3201
@justinalexanderroth3201 3 ай бұрын
Very good video. You did a great job describing the feel of some unique time signatures. My only critique is that the volume of the sound you used for the first beat is dramatically louder than the rest of the audio. I had some trouble finding a balance between being able to hear what you're saying and not getting pop scared by that sound, lol.
@Radien
@Radien 4 ай бұрын
And thus, she truly completed her quest to EARN the name of Cadence, forever. (Seriously, I love your name. It's musical without sounding snooty or silly. And it makes me think of Cadence of Hyrule. Also, this video was excellent.)
@nileprimewastaken
@nileprimewastaken 4 ай бұрын
shit i may or may not be dyslexic i read that as candace every time XD
@TheUKNutter
@TheUKNutter 4 ай бұрын
I think of perfect cadence, which is fitting for being a musician.
@Justanormalishguy
@Justanormalishguy 4 ай бұрын
I know this ain't video game music, but if some of y'all wanna hear a funky time signature, check out Björk's song "Moon", which is mostly 17/8, in a way to supposedly mimic the lunar cycles!
@Rosaisabellas
@Rosaisabellas 4 ай бұрын
this video is SO awesome i love it sm
@connor4wilson
@connor4wilson 3 ай бұрын
I've never really fully understood what time signatures mean even though I've been playing and making music for years, and this video has immediately clarified something that I've always found incredibly unapproachable! Thanks for making it!
@ezkm1m1x
@ezkm1m1x 4 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say how helpful this video is! I’ve always wanted to explain time signatures and other music stuff to my non-musical friends, but it’s really hard to explain with just words alone. Including examples with all of them as well as explainations is SO useful! Not to mention, it doesn’t have that ‘stuffy, classist’ feeling that classical music has. I’ll be showing this to my friends and maybe next time they’ll understand me when I start gushing about time signatures again.
@GreySarasa
@GreySarasa 4 ай бұрын
The wind temple in Wind Waker (the one where you throw Makar around and fight Molgera) has background music in 17/4 (or 34/8 I guess). I arranged it as one bar of 8/4 then one bar of 9/4 and people were a little mad at me but I don't know how to make it any easier for them haha.
@CadenceHira
@CadenceHira 4 ай бұрын
Oh true! Good find!
@Yossus
@Yossus 4 ай бұрын
I really like your description of 5 rushing and 7 dragging - I always thought of them the other way round, because in 5 the 1 arrives 1 beat later than you’d expect, in 7 it’s one beat earlier. Really cool how they both work both ways!
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