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TRAINING WITH HEART RATE | SHOULD YOU OR SHOULD YOU NOT??
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5 жыл бұрынA lot of people have asked how i judge training intensity. The answer is not as simple as "I use a HR monitor" or another measure of intensity. The fact of the matter is, it varies. Heart rate is one method of measuring intensity but it is only one part of the picture, there are many other factors that can effect how you feel whilst training.
Ed, Stanhope, Rich and I discuss what we think about heart rate training and it seems that we all have slightly different attitudes towards it. Speaking to more people around the club, there are very varied opinions, some say it is the be all and end all and others believe it is the opposite. When there are such varied opinions on a subject like heart rate training, it probably means the subject is highly individual. Of course there are some generalisations, like if your heart rate is too high then you are working too hard but "too high" for one person, may be just right for another. I believe that this is where the confusion comes in!
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@OxPaul 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cam, useful video. Have been experimenting with both heart rate-based, and power-based, training this winter. My impression is that you guys just have so much experience that you don't need to think about what, precisely, constitutes steady state, in the way that some of us need to!
@simonwhiting4571 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of interesting points...... I have used both HR and split goal. Both work well......great vlog!!!! Awww Yeeaah!!
@jamespfeffer2941 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Cam. I learned much.
@adamghani4691 5 жыл бұрын
Very useful vid! Thanks!🍠
@TheBoarder360 5 жыл бұрын
During the winter I train three times a week on the erg and once on the water - because I’m not doing multiple sessions a day I tend to put myself in the bin every session (level of perceived exertion). I think Mr Stanhope’s explanation best fits how I train. Great video!
@ilanpi 4 жыл бұрын
I believe that this is now well understood and well documented. The correct training methods are based first on power then on heart rate. I don't see the point of polling your mates or your KZfaq followers except to indicate the disparity between the documented knowledge and that of actual athletes and of KZfaq commentators.
@CameronBuchan 4 жыл бұрын
I agree it is well documented but not well understood by the vast majority of people wanting to improve their fitness
@gettingbettereveryday350 5 жыл бұрын
When training.... I try not to go above 40 beats per minute...
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
It is a difficult task. Someone has to do it
@ambitioussculler700 5 жыл бұрын
Hello and thank you for the video. I found your insight and perspective very interesting. I would like to ask however what is your opinion on the pressure applied during steady state (UT2). Or would you think volume is more important? I'm 16 and I have been doing a lot of steady erging this winter but haven't been bringing down the splits at all - I just increase the volume. Thanks.
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
Hi there! Well it is a similar thread to what we talk about in this video. If there isn't much time I think pressure is more important but if you have the time to do the volume the volume becomes better for long term goals. But it is highly individual!
@ambitioussculler700 5 жыл бұрын
Alright, thanks.
@philipsquire9056 5 жыл бұрын
I used HR exclusively when I was a triathlete. I found it useful as my coach built everything around monthly tests in each sport. I'm going to get a belt for erging just to see if I can see if I can get better splits for the same(ish) HR. Tricky though as someone pointed out hydration and temperature are variables. I logged my weight and resting HR every morning and that helped me avoid overtraining. IE high RHR and dropped weight was rarely an ideal combination. I currently train based on percentages of my 2k PR which seems pretty good. The UT1s are the right kind of hard towards the end, it'll be interesting to see if the perceived effort correlates with my HR.
@philipsquire9056 5 жыл бұрын
Replying to myself... Power related training is big in cycling now. Does anyone in rowing use time @ X watts on the erg?
@OxPaul 5 жыл бұрын
@@philipsquire9056 yes, some people definitely use power zones, rather than heart rate zones, in rowing. Just written a blog post about my recent foray into Coggan power zones, in fact..... paulergs.weebly.com/blog/hour-of-power-coggan-power-zones-steady-state-intervals-from-the-pete-plan
@christopherwilkening7843 5 жыл бұрын
If you are going to buy a heart rate strap I would suggest a forearm mounted one to avoid hitting it with the bar.
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
Power related training is used more often than hr training in rowing. I wouldn't say the given watts are researched per athelete though. Will be interesting to see what your HR tells you! I wouldn't recommend a wrist monitor because they don't record accurately, especially when erging and rowing!
@philipsquire9056 5 жыл бұрын
@@christopherwilkening7843 Wow, that's a great point. I'm not very powerful in the great scheme but I like the bar to hit my chest, it makes me feel powerful. I was literally going to get one this weekend. I'll have another think.
@xStandardTalent 5 жыл бұрын
I believe there are peer reviewed papers from the journal of sports science that talk about UT2 training produces results based on volume of work done rather than force produced. E.g if you can hold 150 HR doing a 2 minute split after you settle into the rhythm or you could hold 150HR on 2:10 split then 2:10 is preferred as there isn’t a benefit from pushing harder as UT2 is a volume tool. The more volume you it, the better regardless of pressure per stroke.
@AxelPRC 5 жыл бұрын
Strongly disagree that pushing harder carries no extra benefit. I would say 100% of elite oarsmen/women would agree
@xStandardTalent 5 жыл бұрын
Axel Dickinson let me reiterate: There is obvs a benefit from pushing harder - your central nervous system is more primed for pressure pieces that are low rate like 30R20 etc but the risk reward balance of pushing harder than you need to for a volume endurance tool is up to the athlete. When a professional athlete is totalling up like 200K+ metres a week then you have to assess whether you can or whether it’s worth holding a much lower split for the same heart rate bpm.
@AxelPRC 5 жыл бұрын
@@xStandardTalent I agree that it has its place but HR shouldn't be the basis of your training. You can row 200km+ a week hard and in higher HR "zones". I did it for years but I do believe that having a couple capped sessions a week is good for you body and mind
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
I knew you'd be here somewhere Axel! There are a lot of studies that show that HR should be followed over pressure but I can't find any with elite level athletes to see what the difference then would be. Like I said it is definitely one part of the picture!
@xStandardTalent 5 жыл бұрын
Cameron Buchan that’s very true. With papers like that you would have to read the fine print of whether the sample size includes athletes that have been training for 10+ years or weekly volume BEFORE the trial started exceeded mileage of like 150K+ or not! Or whether the athletes sampled are more recreational vs Professional
@zacbrockway2938 3 жыл бұрын
I always train without knowing my heart rate
@christopherwilkening7843 5 жыл бұрын
Yesterday I ordered a garmin vivofit (ie a fitbit) to monitor my heart rate, sleep state and dissolved oxygen (they claim) while I sleep, I am hoping this will give me information about if I am over trained or recovering properly.
@elmar0accaronie 5 жыл бұрын
If you want to monitor your heart rate on the erg, you'll have to get yourself a heart rate belt for your chest as well. The optical heart fate sensor on your wrist won't be giving you useful results when you are on the erg
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
Hopefully it does that for you. Although like the commenter said above for erging and rowing a chest strap will be more accurate!
@christopherwilkening7843 5 жыл бұрын
thanks yeah, the vivofit wont be used on the erg. hopefully it will show trends well enough that I can know to back off or go to bed earlier :-)
@rhiannon9549 5 жыл бұрын
I've always had a really high heart rate which has confused coaches before. Like I UT2 around 180 on the erg and regularly go over 200 on 2k's or 30min rate 20. But I know that that's what my heart rate does. I don't tend to use it as a marker on the ergs anymore, but whenever I'm doing cross-training or water outings, I tend to keep an eye on it to give me an idea of how hard I'm working in comparison to erging
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
180 sounds really high! How do you feel when your heart rate is there? It is really interesting because my 180 is me almost flat out! Definitely good idea on the water since there aren't any numbers to help figure out intensities
@callumbland7798 5 жыл бұрын
Now we’re getting into hotter weather, and HR will shoot up trying to hold the same split. Should I focus on holding the same split as I usually would do or focus on the heart rate?
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
Like I say quite a lot, it depends what you're training towards and depends on the program as a whole. Trajning at a higher HR will tax your body more there is no way about that. If you have enough time to recover and have work in the correct zones then split can be focused on more. But if you are constantly in a high zone then it may be a bad idea!
@callumbland7798 5 жыл бұрын
Cameron Buchan so if I was doing a UT2 SS piece (2 x 30 or whatever), would I want to focus on keeping my hr in that UT2 zone even though my splits are very high compared to usual?
@lennardreihs9259 5 жыл бұрын
6:22 the guy is your clone
@nickhalliday5190 5 жыл бұрын
what type of heart rate Equipment do you use or used??
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
I have used a few things over the years. I have links in the description for my most recent ones! They are affiliate links, so I do get a little portion if you were to buy any of them through that link! #yamsquad
@bluebear6186 5 жыл бұрын
Do you remember what 2k you did when you were 16 or what your earliest one was?
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
I started rowing when I was 18 and managed a 619 I think!
@ashrafity 5 жыл бұрын
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@Rich_Mitch_Creative 5 жыл бұрын
A great episode, I think on the rowing machine the comments made about sitting at a certain split until it gets a bit easier and then moving on are really valid. HR has played a great part in my running and cycling training [as i don't own a power meter] but I can see training with power meters becoming even more talked about in more sports in the coming years, probably more than HR. It has changed how we as cyclists train and improve, as speed and HR etc are so variable and affected by lots of other factors and the measurement of power is pretty consistent each ride, no matter what weather. Do you think measuring power in rowing will one day over take splits as the go to measurement? I think it might. Eventually. But not yet. I would also like to send a big high five to the lad at 6:20 sneaking out of shot behind the camera. It's gold.
@CameronBuchan 5 жыл бұрын
That's a good question about power instead of splits in rowing. I have never thought about it! I think eventually it will!
@Rich_Mitch_Creative 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe if you do an episode about it, try and do a test to find your FTP, or Functional Threshold Power, then you can find out the ranges you can train to power in the future. Then in another 8 - 12 weeks do another FTP test and see if it's gone up a bit, and adjust your ranges. There's LOADS of info on it online. I'm not the most knowledgeable about it. But it's much more consistent than just HR, and that could be huge for rowing.
@Rich_Mitch_Creative 5 жыл бұрын
Oh and one final thing.... AHHHH YEAH BUDDY! ;-) 🍠
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