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Interesting to hear thanks for sharing - the ability to replace some of the sprockets is a very good point

This is good to know. Here in my part of NZ we often have to ride a while to get to the vitamin G, so maybe this is the way to go.

It has been, especially recently, but in lower tier gear. Like, centaur, veloce, early - xenon was pretty fragile and shifter ratchet was wearing quickly. Centaur has issues with front derailleur, i also have broken centaur RD (it broke on tiny bump on the road, lol), but higher tier is still very reliable, as well as wheels, cassettes, chains, etc

I just built my new cx bike, using campy chrorus 2x. They make it with 48/32 front and 11-34 cassette. Hopefully that range will work with cyclocros racing? Also comes with a stiff rear der. but no clutch, is that necessary for cx? Thanks for your thoughts lol. I'm picking the bike up today (:

Glad you enjoyed it

What did the reviews say about GRX?

@@robdc4829 I use GRX Di2 2x on my gravel bike...and it's fricken flawless and smooth!

Surely that’s down to the frameset rather than the groupset. Caad12 needs a massive loop on the rd also even on a fairly recent dura ace

I’ll add the Condor to my list 👍

I’m considering this for a 3T racemax! How satisfied are you with the groupset for road rides?

I’m looking at this group set on a racemax. How do you feel it compliments road rides?

@@ADyess086 I mean, it depends. It doesn't have the full range of a 2x11 groupset but its also super simple. It just depends on what you're looking for

I don't think they will, however they might offer a 1* road set-up with an electronic option. Imo....

Campagnolo did bring out an MTB groupset in the early days of Mountain biking. It was called Euclid and was expensive and very heavy. It was never going to compete with Shimano and was soon discontinued.

Alot of campy users say the groupset lasts forever, and their quality in manufacturing/production is top.

I'm a fan of Squirt lube, there was a test that showed it offer almost class-leading performance, and it's very easy to apply, keeps the chain clean and lasts long enough for most rides

I've no idea if that would work to be honest with you but not sure why you would want to really. I'm sure Campagnolo must be working on a 2x13 road bike groups so maybe wait for that?

The Teravail Rutland and WTB Sendero are two good options

Great suggestion!

Hi, I have used SRAM 1x11 for the most part of these year and I found it simple and just right. There's always a trade-off and with double tap system you may loose count on which sprocket you're in, hit the lever, and go down one sprocket when you wanted to go up only you were already in the uppermost one. Answering to your question it seems logical to me that once you remove the front derailleur, the chain will suffer less rubbing in the outter plates. That's something to help keep it healthy, and as for elongation issues, well, chains in the top groupsets are all super strong and reliable. IMO this shouldn't be any different.

That is a good question, and I’m afraid I don’t know. Let me check into it

@@davidarthur They've applied for patent on for them (presumably Ekar and road). This is the most recent application I found some time ago...pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20190346323&IDKey=01A9306888C6&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D%25252220190346323%252522.PGNR.%2526OS%3DDN%2F20190346323%2526RS%3DDN%2F20190346323

@@DickKnorr I would like to know too of any power meter is coompatible with the groupset

At this stage, its pedal-based power or nothing.

It worked very well on the road. I can see this being ideal for road riding and that's something I hope to explore more next year

@@davidarthur I'am kind of thinking 1x road and this looks perfect. 44 ring and 9-36 cassette mite just do it!

I reckon you might be right there

Thanks! It was surprising to realise SRAM really haven't followed up Force/Rival 1 with a successor yet, hopefully that is in the pipeline tho

@@davidarthur yeah. Basically, theres an open goal for a new 12spd cable driven rival 1 groupset that mirrors what campag just did with their cassettes, but for about half the money.

Front mech and second chainring are pretty cheap though. Better chainline most of the time too. I know what you're saying, but it's definitely swings and roundabouts

Campag fans would tell you they are reassuringly expensive. I just use other brands e.g. Miche or kmc

@@markrushton1516 kmc chains ftw! with all my campy groupsets

I really want to try it on a road bike and you're right about the 3T Strada. I'll see what I can do, would be a nice followup review in 2021 I reckon

@@davidarthur would happily watch that video, as I do with all your vids. Hopefully you can find a way to work that out! Keep up the good work!

I'm eyeing this groupset for a road build. I live in an area with punchy hills and I can't climb worth anything, but I already use Force 1x11 with a 42 up front and 11-42 in the rear and it doesn't often leave me wishing for any other gears. I used to ride quite a bit in Florida and my flat road cadence was slightly different that the cassette would offer, but 1x13 looks like it'll do the trick

how about SRAM AXS mullet? Better range, wireless, slightly better hoods?

@@lechprotean Hi I currently have SRAM but I’m building up a new bike and I feel like something new for a change plus I do love Campy.

It's not just "gear range." It's also ergonomics. With smallish, stiff, frozen hands depite wearing thick gloves, I have several times "lost" my brakes with Shimano road brifters, due to the gloves pushing the combo lever out of the way into a shift, before I manage to wrap my hands around them. And I'm not _that_ klutzy. I'm also, like you, generally predisposed to Shimano's focus on fundamentals over flash and features. DI2 levers doen't suffer from that failure mode; but two small, indistinct "buttons," close together, yet resulting in the exact opposite action when hit, ain't all that either as far as idiot prof ergos go. while, OTOH, Campag's ergos are just really well thought out, from a "lack of important failure modes" perspective. One lever/one function my require a bit more dexterity but, even if so, only for upshifts. Where absolute, 100% freedom from ever having to reposition a little bit, really only matter for competitive sprints. As for gear range; a gravel wheelset with the 10:44 casette, a lightweight climbing set with the 9:42, and an aero/tt set with the 9:36; all on an Exploro or similar "groad" bike, covers an awful lot of uses, even up to a pretty darned high and specific level. Ekar is overall just a very well thought out offering. At least for those coming to gravel mainly with a road, as opposed to MTB, mindset. Which is really what is to be expected from Campag, as they have little to no experience with the rather different challenges facing more MTB minded gravel riders.

No, it costs a lot of money to research and to make.

I would like to yes but no immediate plans

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Because they are two different points. I mentioned I felt the lever throw was a little long for my liking, that’s not a fault just how the Campag setup is. And yes the groupset performed without any mechanical hiccups separate from the way the lever shift works. No adjustment would change the lever throw, and I mentioned it is subjective. Does that make sense and clear up my findings?

@@davidarthur My point on the level isn’t campagnolo virus shimano. It’s clearly got a smaller reach as it’s the inside lever for a start and if you look into the Campagnolo levers more you’ll find that the up shift level has a radius within the shift throw as to not increase in distance the more it shifts across.

I was talking about the paddle behind the brake lever for shifting to easier gears... the thumb shift lever is like a machine gun!

@@davidarthur Yes I know you are. On the Campagnolo shifter it has a tighter radius for just such potential issues. Look on the website. But more to the point how can a shifter which is further away with out any additional built in radius’s have a shorter shift reach ? As for the machine gun down shifter as you put it. Well I’ve not heard that one before, perhaps your just not used to handling a weapon....

@@jamessheard5498 You seem to be a bit of a weapon. And he handled you fine.

What's the price of mechanical Dura-Ace? What was the price of the "old" 10spd top-end groupset? I love how people always are like "its too expensive....back in the days it was cheaper", well thats not true at all. And comparing EKAR with something like GRX 600 is not a good comparaison, you need to compared it to GRX 800 atleast. EKAR is on the same level as Chorus, which is the equal of Shimano Ultegra, if not higher.

Well then, clearly and fortunately it isn’t for people like you. Stick to your average Joes choice and don’t make stupid comments of things you obviously don’t understand ;)