Fun fact: until last year (or the year before, I forgot) there was a cheaper WRC+ plan (60 € per year) where you only got the highlights - which were exactly the same ones that Red Bull then put on their website. I guess you also got the satellite maps with a live overlay of all the car's positions, but it was still a pretty bad offer. I think at this point the FIA needs to pay TV stations to show the rally live stages and highlights.

It sucks because fewer watchers=less money= higher prices and so on. At least in Sweden they show it on the sports channels but usually only the european rallies because of time zones

spot on buddy, these current 21' cars are gonna be the fastest wrc cars for a long time since they're entering a hybrid era next year (basically wrc2 cars) with lower costs for all the cars and if they don't start promoting the series better it'll keep getting slower and slower. also american rally has the same problem, where you can only really watch ken block or subarus youtube to actually see anything longer than 3 minutes. and other motorsports are having massive peaks at the moment where rally is kinda stuck on a downwards slope.

Yeah Rally on TV is not really fun to watch honestly... and watching it IRL is a bit complicated with the security rules and such.

the problem is, they get less viewers, which means less funding, which means less viewers and it goes on and on

I didn’t think I would see you here

love your vids mate!

Can you ask Jimmer to play Rally Trophy so that he can drive the Mighty Brown Saab for himself?

The Legend has shown...The GP Legend even! @_@

@@pjludda4323 hi PJL.

Give the group b car the modern tyres and modern suspension it would eat the modern wrc cars for dust.

@@morganwilliams2863 the group b engines and chasises are still better than the modern wrc cars. Whether people like to admit it or not. Give the group b literal modern Suspension and tyres and leave it at that the modern wrc car won't have an advantage for much longer.

@@aaaaaaaaaaa1566 It's only fair then to remove the air restrictor plates from modern WRC cars, since group B didn't have them. That's the only reason they're making 350hp instead of 600-1000+.

@@aaaaaaaaaaa1566 If you do so, they would not be Group B cars anyway.

@@aaaaaaaaaaa1566 considering that the frames of the produduction cars of the 80s that group B cars were based on were significantly less rigid than modern cars, and considering that turbo, efi, and electronicly controlled ignition timing were still in their infancy in the 80s, I find it incredibly hard to believe that a group B car would suddenly be better than a modern WRC cars, just with modern tyres and suspension (whatever that means, since the type of suspension used is dependant on the chassis design, and switching from McPherson suspension to a multi link system for exemple would probably require hacking up, changing, and reinforcing suspension mounts, and may even require hacking up and modifying the frame itself... Changing the spring rates and dampers might help, but if the suspension architecture is an older design, and the frame much less rigid, than you can only expect so much from changing springs and shocks... Also, before you even try to argue that group b cars are somehow as rigid as, or more rigid than modern cars, just look for crashes of both some group B and some modern WRC cars, and just see which ones end up with the more mangled cockpits) As for the engines, the techology was basic, and the engines had vary little power untill the turbo kicked in towards the top of the rev range, at which the engines went from almost no air th upwards of 3 bar of boost vary quickly... This is exhilerating, yes not ideal when trying to make forward progress quickly without being put in needlessly dangerous situations... I love group B, but claiming those cars are superior "if thay just had modern tyres and suspension" is pretty absurd.

100%, there would be at least 100 people there and more than half wouldn't have gotten out of the way in time for sure

The ultimate in spectator dedication, living on the edge.

If any part fell off that vehicle its a snatch fest.

What you meant to say is "If that were real life, you would take Toivonen's place in group b history and ended it"

@@Cynsham In this timeline Toivonen would still be alive! :)

"[...]rather than slinging the car in with maximum testicular fortitude and then stamping on the loud pedal and hoping for the best[...]" Dude you just won the internet with this one :D

From "maximum testicular fortitude" to "hoping for the best" is the single best sentence I've ever read

Loeb is still the greatest all-round driver in the world in my opinion. The guy is incredible. 9 consecutive WRC titles is beyond impressive.

@@davelangford2439 Personally I believe that Walter Rohrl is the best, he lost 10 seconds on his times because of the extra weight he was carrying with his balls while racing.

@@sparkster_6087 🙄

I swear any rally series of his is just so good

It’s*

Will McLaughlin ??

Seat, DS and Volvo

I completely agree WRC is such a underrated motorsport it should as famous as F1

And the dolts at WRC & FIA do zero marketing or promotion for the sport, and then proceed to scratch their heads and wonder why nobody is interested

Honda? Did Honda every do rally with cars?

@@benedux i20 rally

XD that was such an tasty joke😂👌

Holy shit my favourite top 10 car youtuber watches jimmy

That would be an epic rap battle: Co-driver vs. Auctioneer

yeah 100% the one in dirt rally 2.0 feels a little too robotic for me

Although, after the massive air shouldn't he be shouting "Massive ass!!". It would be in keeping with the theme.

@@racerboi6957 Phil can't be bothered.

@@racerboi6957 What? DR2.0 has the best co-driver by far! His voice changes to being nervous when you are going really fast, and he even occasionally clears his throat. Definitely the most human-sounding co-driver out of all the rally games I’ve played.

I think using the lancia deltas (gr b and gr a) would be an interesting comparison

I just call it "Dave"

pi laza koski.. wasn’t that close lmao

@@HENAEZ it's a joke

Terve. En oo ainoa suomalainen 😂

Well, the koski part was pronounced pretty much perfectly. Can't really say the same about Pihlaja part though.

More or less..

They do a poor job of promoting the sport... I haven't even been able to FIND WRC coverage on my cable TV since what, the 2017 season?

@@scottl.1568 You can watch all the stages in Wrc app

​@@valmarifoto doesn't help with promotion, never ever seen ads or campaigns promoting the sport.

I'm sorry to say this but, It really doesn't deserve more viewers if they keep going the way they go right now. WRC has become so boring and future ain't looking any brighter.

Yes,V12 F1 Ferrari is just insane great sounding machine,who cares when modern ones are faster and have hybrid system?? Same happend to old rally cars they are just - better -.

Who cares about new cringe fast thing when can have unhinged brutal old thing is personally my favorite line of thought

Hey sometimes it goes like that it will come back eventually and if it doesnt jsut force yourself to try and get back to it, if it doesnt work you might have lost interest on racing :(

I had made a break from sim racing for more than a year too, and in a month it will be a year of being consistently back at it. Sometimes you just burn out, but if you say you still love cars and racing, the day you sit at the wheel will come. The worst think you can do is selling it or stashing it in some basement. Keep it close, keep it running and the day will come!

The worst thing about taking a long break is the amount of work you need to put in to shake the rust off. I wouldn't feel too bad about not using your rig. Interests wax and wane for some people. I was never the kind of person that just chose one thing and did it forever. You'll get hooked on it again at some point, and then it won't feel like work getting back up to speed.

dont feel bad. most youtubers dedicate thier lives to a single hobby and never deviate from that on thier channels, and that makes it seem like your foresaking that particular thing. like the person above says most peoples interest and investment is gonna wane at some point. its natural dont worry about it.

I'm in the same boat brother. I've got a full 80/20 rig with triple 27's and VR if I want it and just don't have the passion. And, ironically, every time I say "I'm gonna go in there and do some racing!" ... it's week 13. Happened 4 times.

True. In reality Group B cars were probably quite a bit slower than how they're presented in games. Games probably use bloated values when it comes to engine perfomance. They had to tune engines down back then. Rallyes and stages were very long. Rallying was more like endurance racing than sprint racing like it is today. Besides that, it's hard to accurately simulate the differences between modern and classic chassis and suspension. There's also the playability aspect. It's probably better to give players Group B cars which are insane but enjoyable rather than just frustratingly hard to drive fast.

I'm a Group A fan, but then again that's the era I watched. McRae, Makinen, Sainz, Auriol, Kankkunen, you get the gist. And it's a nice middle ground between the manual experience Group B gives you and the controllability of modern cars. I revere group B same as any other rally fan but to me they were always just this terrible idea from yesteryear that's more fun to think about or watch than actually drive

Now you making me want to try out the Group A cars

@@CobraAce04 Could you imagine Group S if it went ahead. They would have been insane/ Proper F1 cars for the dirt

@@ellasOLE22 current WRC cars is what group S could've been

Everyone went nuts about the gr yaris Toyota released, I think there is definitely a market for homologation cars

I agree. I wrote in my own comment that current WRC cars glide thru the stages. It's weird to watch. Everything is super smooth, and then a big moment comes out of nowhere and it's jarring as hell. Whenever I look at even a clip of group B, there is constant tension, making it more fun to watch. It's why I watch more rallycross now; there is consistent drama with overtakes and rivalries, instead of smooth drives punctuated by near-death crashes that smack you right in the brain.

@@TheDrLeviathan Yah, it's more fun to watch guys and gals trying to no hit spectators and bin it (which could result in a fiery death), the modern WRC with their supreme safety standards aren't your thing. You like to see people get hurt eh ?

I think you people just not like motorsport. I see these stupid comments on every video. Modern consumer cars are made to be as cheap as possible. That does not provide safe or close racing. It provides break downs, inconsistency , and injury.

@@DomHowardsFluoPants that's not even remotely correct. It's actually really messed up to see Ott Tanak doing really well, everything looking fine at Monte Carlo, then the next second he is end over end off the road and cut a tree in half. Or Lappi that same year looking fine, then his car burns to cinders, and then they try to interview him in front of it. Neuville also doesn't have faith the cars next year are safe, he said it in an interview. What are you on about.

For me it's sad there aren't too many options where to watch WRC. Last time when was possible to watch it in TV was in 2018, no option too see anything in my native language (no big problem for me, but some peoples don't know english language), also WRC+ seems too expensive for me, ofc there is option for free shorts but you spend more time for searching than watching....

Imagine rallycross with turbo lag, and you have it.

peak power vs wide power band. Group B had a lot of power at their peak, but nothing else down low

Just take the restrictor off the modern engine. RallyX cars push 650hp.

Nearly all modern race cars are just restricted...

@@danesebruno Let me introduce you to Lancia 037 and Delta S4

yeah, i didn't even know group s existed until ken block drove that weird audi spaceship, but from his response to driving one, i'd love to see jimmy take that on as well.

Seat Ibiza group S car with two fucking engines its like they were asked “should this project be mid engine or front engined?” and they responded with _”yes”_

Lmao. This is exactly what it feels like to be Estonian nowadays.

As a Finn I can fully recognize the word "perse". In Finnish it means "ass" :D

They special stage selection had "Laukka" which looks totally different compared to the the real "Laukaa". Plus I think I saw a huge lighthouse in the special stage, not a lot of those in Central Finland.

Yeah, way too many trees. You typically see only 2-3 trees per stage.

In most cases the modern WRC car would win very easily

Modern cars lack any "tools and assistances" such as ABS, traction control, etc., as they have been banned a long time ago. Clutch-less shifting and anti-lag systems are the only assistances there. On the other hand, any Group B car stands no chance against modern WRC or Rally1 cars, no matter how hard such a skilled and fearless driver might try. This is easy to know: most of all that power was useless as the suspensions, tires, differentials, and chassis were orders of magnitude less efficient than today's, resulting in mere wheel-spin rather than in traction to propel the cars mid-corner. In other words: the modern things would single-handedly bitch-slap the old cars in Every. Single. Aspect. For empirical evidence, go have a look at the ranks of proper simulators like Richard Burns Rally with NGP7 physics, and see compare the times that the most skilled drivers achieved with both Group B and WRC cars. Hell, even compare the B's with those 280hp R5 cars - they're usually as fast, even faster at times!

@G T Let me introduce you to the Lancia Delta S4 - a supercharger and a turbo charger linked by a clutch which disengaged the blower when the turbo spooled up. 650 hp in a 900 kg chassis with no turbo lag (just insane complexity).

Over 30 years* n almost 40 🙂

Yeah exactly! An i20 or a Yaris just really doesn't appeal to me the way an Impreza or a Stratos does.

I assume they had a normal front engine FWD one?

Group A actually already started to beat Group B times soon after the class' demise, so not that long tbh.

Only on cornering tracks if he took it to Poland the t16 would prob win because of top speed

@@TinyBearTim Not just the cornering; anything with crests, dips and jumps... Not just the raw performance but also durability

@@jonathanlim9219 Hence the helos to keep these things running

not even close

I recall the speed of technological progress was such that the Group A rally cars were at minimum on pace with Group B by 1990 and by the time the 38mm turbo inlet restrictors came around in 1992 they were faster than the Group B rally cars everywhere but a few very high speed exceptions.

Not in British English

I thought it was "Hyoon-Day" but you don't elongate the oo part. which doesn't really rhyme with Sunday

No it doesn't

Yeah. It doesn't. Hi - Oon - die

Stone came?

nobody cares

I care

@@jacobthefiend I care

@@jacobthefiend why

I remember catching a group B event being televised here in the US around that time. That was my first exposure to WRC. It's a shame more of those races weren't shown in the US at that time.

True dat. In Dirt 3(on keyboard,yes i don't have steering wheel,and i prefer keyboard over controller) the slower car class is,the easier for me to beat bots,and i feel that group b and modern is almost same(in terms of difficulty,but pro class is just hell on higher difficulties) Not to count modern class pathfinder stages,straight up pain.