Can beads really balance tyres? A full test and explanation how they work.

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2CV Cult

2CV Cult

Күн бұрын

Beads can balance tyres and this video shows in detail how they do it.
See the result of vibration measurements, scale experiments and full-size test.

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@PJBonoVox
@PJBonoVox 22 күн бұрын
Great video. One situation where balancing beads aren't ideal is if you need to use a tyre plug. They'll shred the plug to pieces and break up as a result. You just end up with a powdery ceramic mess and a plug that won't seal.
@kenmercer2721
@kenmercer2721 Ай бұрын
Never heard of them before but I recognised the principle from dismantling a top loading washing machine years ago. The inside drum had two hollow rings, one at the top and the other at the bottom which were partially filled with water (and sealed) and serve to balance the washing during the spin cycle. It sloshes around to pool opposite, say, a large towel and compensate for its weight. Regarding a tyre and from looking at another video - the beads tend to roll to the centre of the tyre as only the bottom is flat - the rest is curved. So static balance will be quite good but dynamic not so flash. Enjoyed your video!
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo Ай бұрын
What a wonderful piece of knowledge from your washing machine. Thanks for sharing. And a good point on the curved tyre inside. It will indeed lessen the effect of dynamic balancing. A more elaborate setup would be needed to fully test this out.
@captaincoxyboy
@captaincoxyboy 2 ай бұрын
I found this fascinating and very well presented too, thank you 🙏
@MrDrivesafe
@MrDrivesafe Ай бұрын
Finally! An explanation, well done. Thank you!
@faawks
@faawks 2 ай бұрын
Good video, something to note, the beads I see used and seem to work the best are much smaller, more to the size of larger sugar crystals, the larger the bead the less reliable they are in working each time you come to a stop and start driving again. One other thing for anyone who's not had them work, they MUST be made from something like ceramic or glass to prevent them sticking together, plastic usually doesn't work and often will make the balance worse. Thanks for the video!
@kubibear2890
@kubibear2890 14 күн бұрын
Will really damage your tpms sensors. Move into the 21st century.
@Tennyson2
@Tennyson2 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely fantastic work, there is a lot of poorly informed speculation out there on balance beads. Next time i lose my weights or get imbalance coming back in i will give these a go.
@JillCullen-fm3md
@JillCullen-fm3md 26 күн бұрын
I had oddball (stock) wheels on my 1958 Apache 3/4 ton pickup. They were 17.5 inch wheels, so there were only two tire options to run the stock wheels, both were luggy military tires. No local shop was equipped to balance them so I used beads. Anyway, I used the smaller beads that can go through the tire stem. The trick to get them into the wheel without jamming or clogging, I used a funnel and an engraving tool to vibrate the valve stem and keep the beads rolling into the wheel. Takes a little time and patience, but a lot less energy and risk than breaking the tire bead and tossing them in that way. Worked like a charm.
@551moley
@551moley 3 ай бұрын
I've had dual sport motorbikes for years, The best way I found to balance the wheels for higher road speed is tyre slime in the inner tube, it makes a massive difference on the higher speed rated tyres, knobbly tyres are sometimes beyond help but it definitely helps.
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for that information. Slime sounds very interesting as a balancing method.
@allanwalker5305
@allanwalker5305 3 ай бұрын
great video, very informative, and well presented. im not interested in 2cvs' but the algorithm did well today.
@tedarcher9120
@tedarcher9120 Ай бұрын
That's the best explanation, thank you!
@Cartoon_Physics
@Cartoon_Physics Ай бұрын
Thank-you! What a great video.
@johnelectric933
@johnelectric933 2 ай бұрын
Thank you. Well thought out.
@KrisztianSomodi
@KrisztianSomodi 28 күн бұрын
beads ordered, I was sceptic, but now I will definitely buy some. Fantastic explanation by the way, you should defo have more subscribers.
@dhoti_lal_shastri
@dhoti_lal_shastri Ай бұрын
very clear explanation, Thank you
@fixpaana
@fixpaana 27 күн бұрын
What a great video!
@carstencroessmann
@carstencroessmann Ай бұрын
Great Video and effort. Hats up superior amount of work, thank you from Germany.
@marco7716
@marco7716 Ай бұрын
Besten Dank. Manchmal fragt ich mich, wozu die ganze Arbeit? Aber es lohnt sich doch wenn man gute Kommentare bekommt.
@carstencroessmann
@carstencroessmann Ай бұрын
@@marco7716 Sehe ich auch so, es ist doch schön wenn man anderen helfen kann. Auch wenn in diesem Video nur das wissen bereichert wird, und wissbegierig sollten wir alle sein und bleiben.
@jurikristjouw
@jurikristjouw Ай бұрын
Thanx for the video!! Best explanation ever! I have been struggling with the theory for ages because I did not know about the difference in balance when rotation around the centre of gravity! It is soo logical now!! I would do it the exact same way on my car, even thought about doing it to save money and furthermore reach perfection. Will do it now for sure. You convinced my with evidence! Love it.
@elchicousana2
@elchicousana2 2 ай бұрын
Great video! Super hack! Have you experienced internal tire wesring due beads friction? How often do you change beads since they usually tent to crash and break eventually?
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo 2 ай бұрын
I don't have any long-term experience with the beads. I will now check every 5000 km if they have already turned to dust and if there has been abrasion on the tyre insides. If I find that they are not worth it in the end I'll do another video about it.
@johnw6257
@johnw6257 3 ай бұрын
What a great video, thanks indeed. I've recently fitted balancing beads (tiny ones that do (eventually) fit through the valve stem into my tubes - 40 minutes per wheel to get them in! It is interesting that you are running tubeless? Does your 2CV have safety rims? This is a long standing debate!) My Renaults have the same size rims as yours and my early 4CV spider wheels can only be balanced statically at my local tyre place. They can balance my 15" disc wheels on the R8 but this doesn't reliably stop vibration at 100 kph. I"ve not finished testing the results of the beads yet and just remembered I might still have balance weights on the inside of the wheels, so need to pull them off. I have checked for roundness and sideways wobble, and they are OK within 1-2 mm. Thanks again! Really interesting.
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment. My rims didn't look like safety rims (but I didn't really have a good look inside, so maybe they are). I hope those beads work for you. There are much more variables involved than with traditional balancing, so I am not sure if it will always work. Let us know how you go.
@Nick41622
@Nick41622 Ай бұрын
The 1981 Peugeot 504 diesel had rims like these. You can buy bubble wheel balancers, not sure how you fit them to the wheel.
@cot5thorchid551
@cot5thorchid551 Ай бұрын
Finally you gave me the answer I've been looking for. It is the center of gravity and not the periphery, or the center of the wheel and not the outermost edge that causes the dis-balance. I've been running beads on all my cars since about 15 years ago no problem until the tires get quite old and need replacing. I run plastic bb pellets.
@essentialjudge2279
@essentialjudge2279 27 күн бұрын
It's always been a goto for model Ts. I just drill the valve stem out large enough to accept the beads.
@kingkire1556
@kingkire1556 26 күн бұрын
How do you screw the valve core back in if you drill out the valve?
@andreipopescu3968
@andreipopescu3968 Ай бұрын
you can balace those wheels on the car by letting the wheel in the air and letting it rotate with the heavy spot at the bottom, then add weights at the top, rotate the wheel and see where it starts to accelerate or decelerate the rotation. to find the heavy spot again and so on
@paulboon1100
@paulboon1100 3 ай бұрын
Had the same problem with mud terrain tyres on my Toyota LC could not balance them properly for love nor money, put in balancing weights and presto no more vibrations!
@dereckhasken9055
@dereckhasken9055 20 күн бұрын
The vibrations shown at the beginning are due to the road - if it were caused by the tyre “imbalance” the wheels would have come off - also the steering wheel does not shudder!
@maxscholefield6503
@maxscholefield6503 2 ай бұрын
I have asked most tire places in Bundaberg about these and get nothing but a blank. Where can I buy them and how do I get them into my tire?
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo 2 ай бұрын
I bought mine online (just google balancing beads and several vendors come up). My video shows how to get them into the tyres starting at 2:25
@optimisticpessimist5831
@optimisticpessimist5831 Ай бұрын
Wouldn't a cup of water/inert fluid do the same thing?
@pashmaster
@pashmaster Ай бұрын
Will that work with a fluid to?
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo Ай бұрын
It should work with a fluid. Look at the comment before yours. Kenmercer2721 found a balancing mechanism in his washing machine drum that uses the same principle but with fluid in hollow rings.
@wd8062
@wd8062 Ай бұрын
What would happen if you balanced the tire traditionally and then added beads?
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo Ай бұрын
Theoretically nothing. Without an imbalance to start with the beads would distribute themselves evenly around the tyre, which would remain balanced. If the tyre got imbalanced one day (e.g. through uneven wear) the beads would then balance it.
@eisenerballer
@eisenerballer Ай бұрын
No negative effects. I've got beads in my mud tires that were sticky weight balanced. Keeps them smooth when mud and gunk are stuck in the wheels throwing out the static balance.
@skoorbyrret4578
@skoorbyrret4578 2 ай бұрын
Very interesting, and well presented, but...in 50 years of 2CV {and Dyane} ownership {350,000+ miles, with several cars} I have never had to have a tyre balanced. Two other things come to mind, firstly, on a few occassions I have used inner tubes in "leaky rims", with no ill effects {or balancing needed} ...and secondly.could long term use of these beads cause any damage to the inside of the tyre {2CV tyres, are, by the nature of their size and the limited power of the car, long lasting}
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo 2 ай бұрын
You touched a very good question about the long term effect. I'm sure the beads have at least some abrasive effect on the tyre inside. And another question to add is: how long until the beads turn into dust? I don't know and would like to learn about some long-distance experience with these things. I'll definitely make another video if I find after X thousand kilometres that they are not worth it.
@Tigermoto
@Tigermoto 24 күн бұрын
Those beads are massive, aren't they normally tiny?
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo 24 күн бұрын
The Australian ABC beads are larger than most. That means they don't fit through the valve stem, but they will roll better inside the tyre. So it could be that they work better.
@beenstork
@beenstork Ай бұрын
Anyone else think he sounds like stewy griffin?
@Gigitt
@Gigitt Ай бұрын
Tyre Balancing Beads - I have been using them on my Motorcycles for last 8 years. Biggest benefit is Beads balance the life of tyre, wheel weights do not. Tyre can irregularly wear and dirt, mud, tar rocks sick to inside of rims changing the balance.
@jeffk1485
@jeffk1485 2 ай бұрын
Couldn't you just balance it with a bubble balancer? Seems easy enough to do rather than all that...
@2CVCult-zl8eo
@2CVCult-zl8eo 2 ай бұрын
These wheels don't fit on a bubble level balancer.
@gumps1986
@gumps1986 Ай бұрын
As a tire wears it’ll change balance. The beads should keep balance through the life of the tire.
@misters2837
@misters2837 7 күн бұрын
I find it hilarious that you have no idea what "Oh-Zeds" are...(Though I had not heard "Zed" used in decades!) "oz" (ounces, 16 in US Pound - WE STILL USE THEM EVERY DAY) yet we Americans are subjected to that asinine metric system you use....(I work in the Aftermarket Motorcycle Parts business with Harley and Honda being our biggest markets...I hate the metric system!).... FYI 1oz = 28.3495 Grams. - FYI X 2 - Tires on vehicles today use Bastardized Sizing... 235/75/15 - Metric MM Width / Aspect Ratio / Rim size in INCHES! - Figure THAT out!
@gehteuchnixan9027
@gehteuchnixan9027 Ай бұрын
You don't need any balancing beads for this car. For this car you will need a scrap press. My rule, with which I got through the world very well, was always: no cars with an F. No Ford, no Fiat, no French car. 😂🤣 But joking aside, very informative video, very well explained.
@UFO.UAP.areFake.balloonsLED
@UFO.UAP.areFake.balloonsLED 2 ай бұрын
1 oz is 28 grams
@HxTurtle
@HxTurtle Ай бұрын
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