"Can I Be a Woman?" Disingenuous Guest in a Trans Debate

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Ай бұрын

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@SoFarSoGoodSoWhat14 Ай бұрын

I think it's actually physically impossible for transphobes to argue in good faith, I've never seen a single one

@_JustJoe Ай бұрын

There was one on this channel recently, but he wasn't intentionally transphobic. He's from the Caribbean and we are raised to dislike LGBT folk. There's some people out there that can be educated.

@SleepyMatt-zzz Ай бұрын

@@35oz19gAh yes, the "Anything that is accused of by someone that I disagree with is just projection" argument. No dude, sometimes a mf'er argues in bad faith... And in the case of transphobes, yes, they do in fact often argue in bad faith 😂

@FERAL_MECHANICAL_NOMATIC Ай бұрын

@@35oz19glol imagine believing that good faith bigots actually exist lmao

@vespuccini Ай бұрын

@@35oz19ga real knee-slapper there bud

@JG_MacLeod Ай бұрын

As soon as someone says "All this garbage that's popped up in the last 10 years" you know you can just disregard all their opinions on trans people

@zenbear9952 Ай бұрын

Yeah the T in lgbt was there since the start. Conservatives just discovered them in the last couple years it seems but they've always been there. It's because their leaders lost the war on homosexual marriage so they're trying to attack targets they think are easier.

@TEETHHHHH Ай бұрын

Literally "I didn't know about it so it must not exist 🧌"

@TheRegularHedgehog575 Ай бұрын

@@TEETHHHHH what is it with transphobes and not having object perminence?

@Joey-no7ss Ай бұрын

@@TEETHHHHHthat’s the Pauly signature move right there!

@Rosebud_Rascal Ай бұрын

@@Joey-no7ssPAULYYYYYYYY

@liesalllies Ай бұрын

The classic "let's agree to disagree because I obviously lost" Ily Jovan

@MeSpawn297 Ай бұрын

I've NEVER heard the person who's right say "let's agree to disagree. Lol.

@staggermeister_old Ай бұрын

He's so annoying with his completely inaccurate arguments and OOOOOOOOOOHs every other second as if he made a good point

@bobthemonitor9697 Ай бұрын

I always find the question "so if I woke up tomorrow and said I was a woman, would I be?" to be absolutely fascinating, because it gives the game away too much. The follow up should be "well if you said that, would it be true?" And invariably, they say "it doesn't matter". To these people, TRUTH DOESN'T MATTER. Whether or not it's accurate doesn't factor to them. Makes all their cries about "telling the truth" ring hollow

@russellh9894 Ай бұрын

This caller seemed to be asking genuine questions at the beginning, but he got frustrated after about ten minutes, then he got upset that he wasn't understanding the conversation.

@oqueotediofazXD Ай бұрын

And their ego is so huge that they can’t admit it

@TheFhqwhgadsLimit Ай бұрын

The propaganda is really effective. The ruling class has convinced them that progressives are taking everything away from them. It works, because they are in fact struggling and angry about it and want someone to blame. But they've been convinced that "others" in their same class are the ones who are to blame as a distraction so they don't realize that the actual ones to blame are the people feeding them the propaganda.

@amyrogers720 Ай бұрын

He sounded really upset that he couldn't be a woman. Lol. 😂

@autumnantonette6896 Ай бұрын

I think that’s what it always boils down to🤭

@autumnantonette6896 Ай бұрын

Like just live in your truth!

@TheFhqwhgadsLimit Ай бұрын

I think the best response to someone who disingenuously does the "I identify as an attack helicopter" thing is say "Ok, sure, what does that mean to you?" Of course they have no response, because it doesn't mean anything to them. Which is the whole point - it's not the same thing at all as those for whom their stated gender identity actually means something to them. But people like this can't grasp that because they are severely lacking empathy

@daddytudi Ай бұрын

the way people on the right immediately have to switch to manipulation because they can’t back up their arguments with literally any facts “you sound smart every time i listen to you and then i read your views and i can’t believe you believe that” is such a boring, overused textbook attempt at manipulation

@azndemonlord54 Ай бұрын

It's akin to negging to manipulate the person to like them

@theveganduolingobird7349 Ай бұрын

That phrase is honestly just short hand for “you’re right I just don’t like it”

@CharlieApples Ай бұрын

This individual does not have what it takes to be a woman. He’d quit within the first week and cry about it being too hard.

@crazyinvaderfangirl1 Ай бұрын

“I respect you,” he says well being actively disrespectful to everyone.

@russellh9894 Ай бұрын

The bones and chromosome argument is so annoying. This guy didn't see Jovan's bones or chromosomes before assuming Jovan is a man. He looked at Jovan's outward appearance and made a guess. Just like everyone does every day. No one is looking at chromosomes.

@rudetuesday Ай бұрын

Further, lots of us don't know what our own sex chromosomes are. My school stopped having students do karyotyping on their own blood because surprises do happen.

@Black_masshole Ай бұрын

The bones argument is especially stupid, considering I don't think any trans person is going to give a shit about their bones 100 years from now. The whole point is to respect and validate people WHILE THEY'RE ALIVE.

@ibringit987 Ай бұрын

'I'm telling you im going to lie and disingenuously identify as a woman WHY WON'T YOU TAKE ME SERIOUSLY?!'

@glitterlok Ай бұрын

I've never heard someone struggle so hard to gather their thoughts. Just floundering. "Take the, take the word away...if someone is born a man...take the word away, if someone...if someone...take the words away...it someone is born a man, a man...take the words away..."

@janagax Ай бұрын

It respect the pronouns and whatever silly name he came up with, but only because I think the joke would wear thin pretty quickly and he'd get annoyed in like 5 minutes and maybe being misgendered would make him realise how much it sucks

@Strong_Tomato_ Ай бұрын

"someone is born a man" i was born a baby idk about you guys tho

@electronics-girl Ай бұрын

Yeah, that sounds really painful for the mother.

@taleia6069 Ай бұрын

“I can’t agree” and proceeds to give no facts. He sounds stressed out. Poor guy he must be tired of being dumb 💀

@vespuccini Ай бұрын

Better than "I'm aloud (sic) to have my opinion"

@acidicsubstance Ай бұрын

Saying "people can live how they wanna live" doesn't then absolve you from being a bigot. It's like saying "I'm not a racist but" or "no offense but" and then saying some bs. It's like he forgets mid conversation that he has been calling being trans "fucking garbage" throughout the debate

@KingofIgors Ай бұрын

It’s the “live and let live” bullshit. “I won’t respect you for who you are or see you as a human being worthy of being part of the society I live in, but I’ll be a good little boy and promise to not actively hatecrime you.” It’s one of those southern/conservative phrases that masquerades as being innocuous or even tolerant but is actually actively harmful

@HaloAdmiral Ай бұрын

It’s wild how people can sound physically stupid. This guy is insane.

@deluxe_capacitor Ай бұрын

My favorite thing about these trans debates is that every single transphobe is just insanely confused at the most basic levels of philosophical consideration lol

@Vandrid Ай бұрын

Amazing how poor these arguments always are. Always the same talking points that are given by their leaders they listen to, always angry when their argument breaks down and can't be supported by any fact. Come on kids, why can't you just listen to others and learn something? It is okay if you don't know everything, I sure didn't and it took me 31 years to figure out I wasn't listening to people, 34 years to figure out I was on the wrong side, and 37 years to figure out I am trans. None of that would have happened had I not openly looked at what others were saying and understood that I don't know everything.

@PumpkinPanic Ай бұрын

they are always in cars

@tangomango2353 Ай бұрын

Fr 😭

@emdivine Ай бұрын

and that's actually kinda good to an extent, because it's a pretty well noise-reduced environment

@Starfoxx28 Ай бұрын

Why is this caller yelling 😂 so mad over nothing!

@FERAL_MECHANICAL_NOMATIC Ай бұрын

Their mad at the trans ghost that lives rent free in their head

@SleepyMatt-zzz Ай бұрын

"I respect everyone!" He says, after saying that Jovan's audience are the "trans sucking minor crowd"

@electronics-girl Ай бұрын

I've never heard of you before, but you had me at "definitions are descriptive, not prescriptive." Subscribed!

@pocketfluffal2134 Ай бұрын

I was against the transphobe at first, but then Jovan continued to not kick the shell to the left and now I'm just angry at everyone

@Joey-no7ss Ай бұрын

I’m glad someone else pointed that out! Jovan is straight up stressin me out with this gameplay!

@kenkakuknight Ай бұрын

I do believe at 21:25 he was about to say "every animal [is XY sex determined]," which is factually incorrect. Hell, he's technically wrong about "every mammal [is XY sex determined]."

@electronics-girl Ай бұрын

Oh yes, the platypus just has to be an exception to everything.

@CoriumCorvidaeAndrewPolman 29 күн бұрын

this should be shown as a beginning leftist debate streamers guide to spotting right-wing dogwhistles/rhetoric because man, that guy is a caricature of a convservative, holy shit.

@Polcat94 Ай бұрын

People just fall bsck to i dont believe/accept this. Like that really matters what they accept or believe when facts are present.

@sar-uh Ай бұрын

I enjoyed the $5’s so much!!❤❤

@anothercub6958 Ай бұрын

Caller being so emotional and confused that he often steps into "You ever had a dream" territory😂

@musicbyxj Ай бұрын

i like that he’d laugh everytime you backed him in a corner lol

@spudermoth Ай бұрын

Love the debate, but i actually know of a better response to people who say "i identify as x." Just refer to them as their identity and ask them how they figured out they're trans along with their journey and ask them if they came out with their parents, etc. Eventually, they'll have to say that they aren't actually trans.

@Disdain7133 Ай бұрын

2nd

@MafiaPyro Ай бұрын

Trans-women are not women .

@Mondaycat484 Ай бұрын

Yes they are

@xxitsxnadyaxx Ай бұрын

It’s literally in the word

@TheFhqwhgadsLimit Ай бұрын

Why do you think something as complex as the human mind would be so simple that everyone of the same sex experience gender the same way? You really have an extremely simplistic view of how our brains work if you think that. Some people don't experience gender the same way as others of their same sex, and have an experience much more like those of a different sex. There's tons of scientific evidence that this happens.

@A.B.-ub9un Ай бұрын

Since when?

@PumpkinPanic Ай бұрын

bro failed biology