Masculine and feminine buckets?!? (Gender Debate)

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Ай бұрын

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@GregLeVine1984 Ай бұрын

Listening to this guy talking about kids "Choosing" to need gender affirming care sounds like someone blaming a kid for getting cancer and forcing their parents to choose to give a minor chemotherapy.

@anothercub6958 Ай бұрын

Dude's like those parents who think every action of a child is a choice. "Why did you choose to have an outburst like that?" "Why did you choose to have bad grades?" All that stuff and they physically cannot think about the possible underlying causes of issues in their life

@nlsnmrgn_theblukid Ай бұрын

Caller doesn't have an intention to learn. Doesn't even try to be informed after Jovan tried to teach and educate. I wish I had the patience of Jovan

@Rotkreuz Ай бұрын

In any debate about trans inidividuals… the moment someone brings up “masculinity and femininity” ask them how do we empirically measure what is masculine and what is feminine.

@SleepyMatt-zzz Ай бұрын

Exactly. If definitions of gender were so determinate, then why do people always have insecurities about their masculinity and femininity in the first place?

@ThatOneHomeGirl Ай бұрын

Cis entitlement on full display. You will NEVER know what’s in my pants unless I tell you. And I’ll never tell you unless I feel I can trust you.

@shahbazilyas576 22 күн бұрын

Definitely true, no one has the right to that knowledge. I have a question tho, if 2 people meet and are interested in each other and want to go back home. Both parties should care for the others feelings right. Like both should strive to make the other comfortable and feel good? If 1 of them thought in their head that my penis may make the other feel very uncomfortable, would it not be my duty as a caring person to inform? Like not as a demand but as a gesture. Because both parties should care for each others feelings and preferences? Especially when it’s intimate? Like if my penis blew off in Iraq, and I was getting to know a girl at the bar, I should tell her before we get back to the house because I care about her feelings. It’s not entitlement if it’s between 2 caring parties who are trying to look out for the other.

@Wade.Stikmann Ай бұрын

Guess his metaphor didn't really hold water.

@toat_ Ай бұрын

DAM! Wait-

@andrewwdavvid Ай бұрын

Holy shit.

@adaj472 Ай бұрын

@@toat_ lol go sit in the corner 😂

@r.e.b.e.lbeats713 26 күн бұрын

Ba-dum tishhh

@_JustJoe 25 күн бұрын

😂

@eve0nline03 Ай бұрын

Transphobe: "There are only two options of ice cream" Waiter: "Sir, we offer more than two kinds of ice-cream. What will it be?" Transphobe: "TWO!! THERE ONLY EXIST TWO!!"

@jonnaking3054 Ай бұрын

I never understood when transphobes say "there's only 2 genders" MOST trans ppl aren't claiming there are more than 2, they're just saying, socially, they wanna live as the one opposite from the one they were assigned at birth

@kimmiekatkat Ай бұрын

The “yo momma” didn’t hit the way he wanted it to

@eve0nline03 Ай бұрын

Exactly, because what if Jovan's mom has an intersex condition, that still allowed her to give birth? What if, transphobes?

@SleepyMatt-zzz Ай бұрын

It was pretty cringe 😂

@jonnaking3054 Ай бұрын

It hit a bit better than his definition of "female" "A female is someone who was born female"

@anothercub6958 Ай бұрын

Absolutely not, but damn was Jovan's silence after that so much more impactful😂

@milopond Ай бұрын

i love how he starts by saying some people just don’t want to have their mind changed or whatever and then goes on to be just as stubborn and annoying as anyone with these opinions

@louzerreviews Ай бұрын

I get seizures from my epilepsy. Should I not take meds so my body can naturally go thru regularly having seizures? People are fucking dumb

@ShinobiKiraOPNSBL Ай бұрын

Where the hell was he even going with that metaphor. Javon congratulations on having that amount of patience because you had a better chance debating a brick wall.

@rudetuesday Ай бұрын

There's an incredibly small number of people I've seen naked, and there's a slightly larger number of people whose sex-related chromosomes I know about, thanks to biology classes. It's much easier to trust what people say about themselves, honestly.

@austindyer833 Ай бұрын

Man really started out by saying “we live in a society”

@eve0nline03 Ай бұрын

"At the end of the day there is only two and at the end of the day you know that there are only two. Only two." - well, guess it must be true then

@jonnaking3054 Ай бұрын

How DARE you TRICK ME into finding you ATTRACTIVE! You are TRICKING people just by EXISTING! 🙄 his argument basically...... But at the same time "We can always tell" 🙄🙄

@trashpanda3837 Ай бұрын

Oh that ending was pure brilliance 🤣

@kianaolive Ай бұрын

The way transphobic people, specifically cis-het men, always bring up the idea of being “tricked” or “led on” by a trans person is so…interesting to me. I don’t know where it stems from but I feel like it’s always the example at the tip of their tongue.

@splonkerz Ай бұрын

i feel like it’s internalized homophobia, they cannot allow themselves to be attracted to transwomen because they think we’re men. when we’re not. these cis-het men will not heal until they let go of the homophobic shit their dads and uncles spewed growing up

@analogicparadox Ай бұрын

They run under the assumption that all women are cis, and they get angry at the idea of having to think about it

@toat_ Ай бұрын

@@analogicparadox *they get angry about having to think in general 👍

@kianaolive Ай бұрын

@@toat_And the more questions you ask, the more frustrated and stuck in their bigotry they get because god forbid their neurons start firing in their brain for even one second.

@babs_babs Ай бұрын

@@kianaolive cis het men are often socialized to think that everything revolves around their identity. they see femininity as a performance put on to attract cis het men, not as a natural way of being or a performance done for other women. so when they see a trans girl being feminine, they assume it’s also a performance for men. they think the only value in femininity is in how it attracts and serves men.

@JessicaAndersonforVirginia Ай бұрын

The ending though 😂😂

@phrophannus Ай бұрын

Jovan is so patient, damn, I was almost throwing my phone at the wall.

@zachlawrence9875 Ай бұрын

Starting on the whole "buckets" bs almost broke me

@sonicboy5 Ай бұрын

Lmfaoooo Jovan did somethung ive always wanted to do at the end there

@SapphicFlora Ай бұрын

“you just wanna do the word play stuff” it’s almost like the convo is about how words are used and what they mean.

@miangel8962 Ай бұрын

The best part of this video 46:49

@OsssV Ай бұрын

Gotta love the cognitive dissonance to deny homophobia to a “simple disagreement”

@anothercub6958 Ай бұрын

Caller keeps complaining about "the wordplay game" they're supposedly doing despite the fact that he argues how trans people are by definition not the gender they identify as🤦‍♂️

@RookSpinard Ай бұрын

Ah, the bucket debate.

@Gundamman Ай бұрын

Babies are the best example of gender since boys and girls are raised as girls until puberty starts, which is show through out history

@AlatanHexter Ай бұрын

Thank you Jovan ❤

@atheistmando4976 Ай бұрын

Im more baffled with what he considers and adult female or properly ca0able of holding children

@adyce6303 Ай бұрын

The part where they're talking about healthcare for trans kids is instructive; and the caller inadvertently demonstrates the whole bigot position: according to them the kid can't choose because their brain hasn't developed, but when J suggests it's the parents making the decision he responds by saying they shouldn't force it on the kid. So who can make the decision? No one according to bigots, because despite whatever equivocal language they wrap it up in they do not think ANYONE should be allowed to transition. Can you imagine if we applied this impossible standard to any other form of paediatric medicine?

@brooklynbby7974 Ай бұрын

Iconic ending ✨

@dyslegein Ай бұрын

This was a wild stream for buckets

@FERAL_MECHANICAL_NOMATIC Ай бұрын

Jovan gets *DESTROYED* by the densest element on the periodic table

@ok_Namaste Ай бұрын

This caller, like a lot of others, sound as if they were attracted to someone and found out that the person they were attracted to was trans. He sounds like he fears being made fun of by his peers for being attracted to someone they deem unacceptable.

@acehilm5001 Ай бұрын

WHAT WOULD KARKAT SAY ABOUT THIS

@Dekubud Ай бұрын

The "should reveal what they have" argument is dumb for one very simple reason: there are a ton of different human bodies that may or may not turn off some people. What about cis women who had a single or double mastectomy? What about cis men who had their testes removed due to illness? What about people with birth defects? What about amputees? The list could go on and we could also include people who had reconstructive cosmetic surgeries or who have invisible implants and prosthetics. Not being attracted to certain bodies is fine, but being fixated on that is very, very weird. And I say that as someone who used to be fixed on that and had to do a lot of introspection about it to better myself.

@foreverprime6255 Ай бұрын

The caller might have unchecked CTE

@deluxe_capacitor Ай бұрын

I will say, the bucket analogy could have been repurposed pretty easily to help him understand the bimodal model of sex. Add a third bucket called “androgyny” and there’s actually something there. Too bad caller was too dumb to ever consider any of that lol

@acehilm5001 Ай бұрын

dude lost me at the end there i just started thinking about homestuck

@pocketfluffal2134 Ай бұрын

I am 5 minutes in and they make it so confusing to know what on earth they are actually talking about. The constant switching between masculine and feminine pronouns for the same example, the switching between trans woman to man to looking like a woman. There is just zero consistency in their own head I genuinely have trouble trying to understand if they are talking about a trans man or trans woman in their example

@shahbazilyas576 22 күн бұрын

I have a question, if 2 people meet and are interested in each other and want to go back home. Both parties should care for the others feelings right. Like both should strive to make the other comfortable and feel good? If 1 of them thought in their head that my penis may make the other feel very uncomfortable, would it not be my duty as a caring person to inform? Like not as a demand but as a gesture. Because both parties should care for each others feelings and preferences? Especially when it’s intimate? Like if my penis blew off in Iraq, and I was getting to know a girl at the bar, I should tell her before we get back to the house because I care about her feelings. It’s not entitlement if it’s between 2 caring parties who are trying to look out for the other.

@amanacer3088 Ай бұрын

I don’t know what argument is worse this 🪣 theory or the gender 💉theory I heard Artemis & Demi & a couple others argue against last night.

@unfriendlyatheist616 14 күн бұрын

I H8 Him Sooooooo Much 17:43 🤯 31:05 his 🧠 hurts

@thegoosling8947 Ай бұрын

Hey jovan, id like to point out species are kinda social constructs and arbitrary, for example we breed with neanderthals and other hominids and have fertile offspring yet we consider them a different species to us

@a.leigh215 Ай бұрын

You're clearly new here

@augustbaothlynott7263 Ай бұрын

The caller has a point.

@rwicerino Ай бұрын

if his point was ignorance, sure.

@jonnaking3054 Ай бұрын

A point in stupidity, yeah

@TheRegularHedgehog575 Ай бұрын

If the point is "this is my impression of someone who's wrong" then yes.

@OmartheOlive Ай бұрын

If his point is being completely clueless than yeah.

@MafiaPyro Ай бұрын

Trans women are not women...

@OmartheOlive Ай бұрын

They are. Gender is a spectrum because it was made by people, that’s why it’s only a term used on humans.

@MafiaPyro Ай бұрын

Gender and Sex are not independent from on another... One influences another...

@rwicerino Ай бұрын

you should make less youtube comments and read a book 😂 fucking DUNCE

@frankiethorne4728 Ай бұрын

@@MafiaPyrothey are connected but they are not the same. Woman/man is a social term, exists only in humans. Female and male is biological sex only and exists in all species that reproduce sexually. Therefore you can have a female dog but you don’t have a woman dog.

@MafiaPyro Ай бұрын

Of course, you won't have a term such as a "woman dog" because that isn't the term that would be used to describe an adult female dog. "Woman" is exclusive to human beings... Plus, "women dog" is redundant. We don't say "women human." We just say "woman"... The term the term that is analogous to "woman" for dogs is "bitch". It is used in both scientific and everyday contexts to refer to adult female canines. "bitch" = adult female canines... "woman" equals adult human female...