I didn't even realize that people debated this. I thought it was well known and accepted that Gohan is the strongest un-fused character at the end of the Buu saga.

Or you could just say, Akita Toriyama confirmed that Gohan is the strongest unfused character in DBZ.

To answer the question: its very obviously “no.”

Ssj3 Goku "keeping up " with Superbuu in the anime is the same as Krillin escaping Cell in the plane scene , doesnt mean Krillin is anywhere near Cell even by filler

Even if SSJ3 was stronger, it has a huge drawback in the form of it's massive energy usage. Gohan's ultimate form doesn't drain energy like SSJ3 does making it much more efficient for combat.

Citing the manga was the best approach, good work! I think the anime is the main reason why people get confused about the power levels.

Didn’t realize this was a thing. I thought it was already an accepted fact. Gohan was trashing Super Buu while SSJ3 Goku was evenly matched with Fat Buu.

I’m surprised you didn’t point out Goku was surprised Vegeta could go Ssj2 just to really harp on how much weaker Gohan was before going Ultimate

They messed up Gohan so much in Super. Buu was supposed to be Gohan’s wakeup call to continue training in peacetime. No excuse the second time.

I appreciate the video, but anyone who thinks full power Ultimate Gohan has any chance at losing to ANY power level of Goku pre-god ki is hilarious. The only reason in Super that Gohan gets clapped by ANYONE is the fact that he is practically written out of the show, otherwise he would still be the King of Pure Power. DBZ power levels are in this order: Gohan, Goku, Gotenks, Vegeta, Piccolo.

I always reasoned that Goku was able to somewhat hold his own against super buu was that he has better fighting instincts than Gohan. Goku spent 7 years training in other world while Gohan hasn’t trained at all in that 7 years. It’s like an athlete who takes a break from playing his sport. He has to shake the rust off.

Pre-Super ultimate Gohan slaps everyone.

I don't doubt Gohan's power, endurance and potential but his experience in comparison

I thought everyone knew that Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Goku in the Buu Saga.

5:33 this right here. A lot of people don't understand what the point of Ultimate Gohan was, and this is correct.

I haven’t watched the video yet, but the answer is clearly no. Gohan was by far the most powerful single Z Fighter once his power was unlocked.

I always knew the answer myself but you broke it down perfectly. If I ever need to debate someone on this again, I'm sending them this video

7:59 I disagree that that was what the anime filler was showing. If you watch it, Goku dodges (once), blasts Buutenks back and unleashes an ineffectual barrage of ki blasts. So ends all the success he has against Buutenks. The rest of the fight is them clashing at super speed with any successful hits being in Buu's favor against Goku. More than that, Goku was fighting to stall Buu so Gohan could find the potara earring, except Buu was able to keep Gohan from doing that at the same time, Goku's interference proving ineffectual. This filler doesn't show Goku keeping up with Buu, it's showing "Tien holding off Cell" again. Except Goku had even less success. The manga demonstrates that Goku is outclassed by Buu and the filler shows the same thing. I never got why people think they're supposed to be different takes.

Bro, who tf is out there saying SS3 Goku is stronger than Ultimate Gohan 💀 Like, did they even watch the show?

His base is weak, but the ultimate form multiplier is just crazy

there was an interview about how ultimate gohan was the strongest unfused character by toriyama... that was before super tho

4:10 “Buu’s power is going to be crucial in giving the final answer to our main question.” You are completely right in this statement, however, this is where you falter in your analysis. I will explain momentarily.

Fantastic video man! Can't wait to see more from you.

Part of the problem is people think Kid Buu is more powerful that Buutenks and Buuhan and claim “well goku matched kid buu, so beats Ultimate Gohan” like people think goku post fusion got some massive power up when he never did.

You earned a sub my friend, excellent dialogue and pacing. I look forward to your future releases!

i find it funny that a kai didnt think to grab gohan when they were fighting kid buu. But of course goku show.

Glyde great video. You answered a question I've had for many years 🙏

Goku's comment about wanting to wish for Gohan and Gotenks to come and fight Buu on the kai planet kinda sums up the question i think. It was Vegeta's call to not have them fight.

It's not even close. Even if we're being extremely charitable to SS3 Goku, Gohan makes him a joke

Mystic Gohan are you serious?!😅😂

Great analysis man.

_I love when Goku stated that super Saiyan three is a Power that can only be handled in otherworld_ _I also love when Vegeta stated to Goku, at least you’re stronger than your son was against cell, that helped me understand the dynamics of super saying in general._ _Put super Saiyan three that was displayed in the tournament Saga with Kepler and her sister was a stronger super Saiyan three than ultimate Gohan in that saga._

gohan kept up with ssj blue as well. and he was just "Getting back in shape"

No matter how much stronger gohan was at this point he could not beat goku. The sad fact is that gohan was and probably still is just incapable of defeating anyone unaided. He’s too much of a wimp

That "terrible Piccolo impression" was shockingly good hahah

No. Ultimate Gohan is much stronger than Goku at the end of the Buu Saga. Only Vegetto is stronger. The only reason Gohan lost was, as usual, that he was too cocky, he didn't lack power or anything, he just got too cocky for his own good, as he usually does when he gets the upper hand. But based on pure power, Ultimate Gohan far outclasses SSJ3 Goku

Good video. It makes sense that Goku would tell depowered Piccolo-Buu that "Gohan can handle you now" simply because he knew Ultimate Gohan didn't burn energy as fast as his SSJ3 form.

Nice video 💪🏻

2 things: 1 Goku saying, "I could have beaten the fat buu" is NOT the same thing as saying he was stronger than the fat Buu, being stronger than someone and beating them doesnt have to necessarily be a thing. I am 100% certain that Krillen would have defeated Nappa if Nappa didnt dodge that destructo disk, but that still wouldnt in any way made Krillen as strong or stronger than Nappa, there was still a massive power delta between the 2 of them. 2 Gohan's post old kai release is NOT a transformation, I have quite a few reasons for this, the first is Old kai said that Gohan isnt transformed, the second is Goku says he is normal also, Picollo also said he wasnt transformed, if this was a form, then Goku would have found it, Goku found a transformation past SSJ2, so he was on the same trajectory as Gohan as Gohan also went SSJ2, so his next step should have been "Mystic" if that was actually a supposed form, but both Goku and Gotenks skipped the "mystic form" entirely, this is no time for Gohan to all of a sudden get a new transformation that 2 other characters somehow skipped. The old kai told Goku to not go SSJ when he was going to fight Buu and he and Gohan fuse, the reason was because he said sense the fusion from the rings is permanent, he doesnt know the effects of how staying powered up like that forever would have on the fusion, so if that is the case, he should have told Gohan to power down into his "base form" which never happened, he was going to fuse with Gohan as is, why? Because Gohan was in his base form, what "mystic Gohan" is, is nothing more than when Vegeta powered up in the Saiyan series in front of Goku before he went X3 Kaioken, and infront of Frieza after he got healed by Dende, the hair change? If it wasnt for the fact Vegeta's hair never changes, I am sure his hair would have changed forms each of the 2 times he powered up I named, his facial change? He looks to me exactly the same there as Future Gohan, in short its his matured adult, battle-ready face. On the subject of Gohan and Buu with Gotenks and Picollo absorbed, I dont think that Buu was a whole lot stronger than Gohan the way alot of people want to believe, Goku said he lost over 1/3 of his power, so am I supposed to believe Gohan wasnt atleast that much stronger than Super Buu? The dude didnt even get an exercise vs Super Buu, the power "gap" seemed more than it was because of Gohan's lack of training for 7 years, Picollo's mind, and Gohan not getting to see that fight; also Buu's approach to that fight was far far far different than the filler Goku fight, he only did counterattacks and ranged energy-based attacks on Gohan, whereas he was willing to charged Goku with full confidence head on, there is your difference right there. Another point is, IF Goku was stronger than Gohan, he would have simply absorbed Goku, that would have easily taken care of Gohan IF Goku was stronger.

6:57 Your Voice impression of Piccolo is not too bad. I love how u kid around. That’s a positive quality to have as an adult.

Great video. I agree with getting evidence from the manga. I also mostly agree with what you said. However, what I got from piccolo's dialogue about superbuu being 'stronger' than buu was that he was'nt necessarily stronger but more agressive( uses his existing powers with straight up intent to harm) unlike buu who only plays with his enemies. I think of the splitting of evil buu from buu and absorbtion to be like a switch of modes not necessarily a power up. What do you think?

7:11 “Super Buu is Stronger than Fat Buu, simple as that. It is blatantly obvious, but well said.

This is pretty much agreed on by the community nowadays. But you wouldn't believe how many debates on who was stronger SSj3 Goku vs Ultimate Gohan / Kid Buu VS Super Buu if you look back 5-10 years on db forums, KZfaq and Reddit etc. The dragon ball games continue to pretend that Kid Buu is an equal or stronger than Super Buu though for some reason though...

Very good explanation and research. Earned a sub, gonna go see what other videos you have.

Genki is supposed to be more potent than regular ki. This would actually be the very first time I’ve ever heard someone suggest life energy is less potent than normal energy. It’s not anyone’s fault tho, the writing in dragonball is so terrible you can make a case for all sorts of shit.

another point to add to the spirit bomb argument: wouldnt it make sense if the spirit bomb, as strong as it is, relies on the guy pushing it? its just a mass of energy, and since goku was so weakened, kid buu managed to push it back at him

Just subbed! Great video!

Well done!

The answer is, if we are only talking about raw power: clearly no. Gohan is stronger.

it wont be an argument because whatever the people say that take ssj3 goku's would be invalid or utterly wrong.

Great video!

Yall are forgetting a very important detail when goku was talking to vegeta fighting kid buu he said yes if i was at full power I could defeat him but i wanted yal to defend the world i wont always be here , second when goku and vegeata fought super buu he already absorbed gohan and sssj3 gotenks.. also when gohan tried to get earring he had already absorbed gotenks which is why gohan couldnt defeat him anymore3rd when super buu was turning to kid buu vegeta said he is getting stronger which was also was followed up by supreme ki when he next told the story about kid buu and how he was weakend by abortion of the south ki

Can't take what Goku said there to be facts that he could have beaten fat boo with super Saiyan 3 when he didn't see the extent boo could regenerate and his stamina

Only in the movies Cuz I swear the tapion movie makes it seem like Goku is stronger than both ultimate gohan and Gotenks💀

This isn’t a debate, it’s very clear in both Gohan is stronger

Bro you kinda sound like Geekdom101, great content keep it up

ok, so i like your conclusion you came to and how you explain it. i also agree that gohan is the strongest unfused character. what I don't agree with is super buu being stronger than kid buu. kid buu is literally the strongest form of the pure buu (meaning buu without absorptions). and the fact that ssj3 goku can hang in there with him means he could hang in there with super buu. i think what he meant by he would kill us if we leave like this is he would simply catch goku and vegeta exhausted and in base and would kill them.

Great video! However, i dont get the final conclusion that SSJ3 Goku is anywhere near Ultimate Gohan. Gohan is far far superior to Super Buu but the gap between Super Buu and Goku is far enough that him and Vegeta jumpin his ass wouldn't do anything. I think its obvious that Gohan is leagues above Goku Lv3 which is why the Hirudigarn movie made no sense. Gohan shoulda solo'd that thing if Goku beat it

Finally thank you!

this is actually taking things out of context, first off:Goku just returned alive and it is stated that once you return alive you don't have instantly access to your full power in chapter 515 by Goku himself when he talked to Vegeta, 2nd:as you yourself mentioned, Goku said that he was going to lose by going out as he was aka as small as he was inside buu, also Goku legit powers down and isn't worried about Buuccolo, the reason for which he said: Gohan can handle you is because he wants the next generation to do what he does aka to protect the earth, you yourself showed it for Gotenks so applying it for Gohan too isn't a problem, also Kid Buu isn't inferior to Super Buu, it doesn't matter which continuity you look at, Kid Buu is the strongest buu, that's across guides, dbz anime, manga and db kai

I’m quite sure wrath of the dragon Goku while not Canon could defeat ultimate gohan. In raw power and speed I can grant that gohan could be stronger. But goku is a much smarter fighter and can close the gap between opponents where literally everyone else in the whole damn show gets folded if they are even slightly weaker than the enemy whereas goku always does well when on the back foot.

First, no doubt Ultimate is stronger than ss3. I still don’t think he coulda beat Buu. Buu showed a godly amount of resistance to physical and ki attacks. All the Buu’s. Fat Buu pulled himself right back together after Vegeta released all his energy to kill him. Gotenks vaporized Super Buu, piece by piece. Put himself together. Vegito made a game of it. Kid Buu blew himself and multiple planets to piece’s multiple times. What u said about the genki-dama made me think, nobody but Goku was gonna be able to pull it off because he was the only one who coulda pulled a technique like that minus Tien. Raw power just wasn’t gonna get it done. U should do a video on how u think Buu’s fusion works. It seems like it works both ways and if it does we can’t definitively say who stronger out of the Buu’s. Absorbing the Kai’s seems to have negatively effected Buu. The fusion wearing off had negative effects. Buuhan shoulda be lightyears ahead of Vegito if Buu and Gohan were that far ahead of Goku and Vegeta. In the same way Buutenks was ahead of Ultimate… In Dbz we can’t take statements too serious. Ultimate Gohan, going by the statements, should have access to all of his power. Yet we have Beast Gohan now lol Again, can’t take the statements literally. Sorry for the rant lol Ultimate is stronger than ss3. Probably not by much and Goku could probably still get the dub.

Ha honestly after thinking about it a while when adding this to my watch list I concluded also that ultimate gohan was stronger and could beat ssj3 goku. Great video too and love all the art!! Thank you

Tyler: We’ll use the manga because the anime has filler and dub changes that confuse the audience. Also Tyler: Puts a video out about Ultimate Gohan, but focuses on 0:31 “Mystic Gohan”.

Notice how the only ppl who swear ssj3 goku is stronger than gohan are those who; 1. Think kid buu is the strongest buu 2. Fabricate goku getting zenkais when he doesn’t experience anything near death the whole saga, even against kid buu 3. Look at the anime filler that contradicts itself when ssj goku fights clone ultimate gohan, then right after says he can’t beat a super buu who was getting washed by ultimate gohan 😭😭😭 4. Try to write a different story than what was made

you really explaining this like a pro thank you so much

Goku also knows that he cannot maintain SSJ3. Even if he could beat Buu as super Buu, his stamina would run out. Gohan is still stronger though

I always thought it went in this order (as far as power not regeneration or durability) by the end of Z: 1. Vegito 2. Buuhan 3. Buutenks 4. Ultimate Gohan 5. Buucolo 6. SSJ 3 Gotenks 7. Super Buu 8. Kid Buu / and or Uub after Goku training 9. SSJ 3 Goku 10. Evil Grey Buu 11. Fat Buu/and or Uub maybe 12. Vegeta 13. Uub

Ultimate Gohan has always been stated to be the strongest unfused character in the Buu Saga

Saying kid buu is stronger than gohan because he pushed back goku's spirit bomb, is like saying jiren is stronger than both omni kings because when both of them gave goku their energy for the spirit bomb, jiren was still able to push it back with one hand lol

Accurate video with proof and most importantly no bias😊

I mean since Laughingstockmedia backs this up, then it is definitive at this point. Gohan was stronger than Goku during this point. There is so much and so many people that back this up. And honestly Gohan being stronger than Goku doesn’t change Dragon Ball Z at all.

Another question: Would Ultimate/Mystic Gohan be as strong/stronger than base Vegito if he didn't stop to train?

Sure, Gohan is a lot stronger, but Gohan isn't goku and goku solos.

Then why did they decided to go with the genkidama against kid buu? At that point Gohan was already alive, seems to me like pretty clear evidence they.didn't have much faith in gohan against kid buu

I think something people forget is that Saiyans get stronger every fight, and their power level increases DURING a fight. Gohan was done fighting after he lost and got absorbed. Goku wasn't. When Goku asked for everybody's energy for the Spirit Bomb against Kid Buu, Gohan gave his own ki and it wasn't enough to kill Buu. I think it's reasonable to assume Goku's SSJ3 was close to, if not equal to, Ultimate Gohan by that point.

Piccolo did not say that Super Buu was stronger than Fat Buu; he just said his body is better suited for fighting since he is in shape. When Piccolo says the change in Buu Ki, he is not talking about his power increasing if it did Increase, Krillin would have noticed. He is talking about how his Ki changed to pure evil. One thing a lot of fans don't know because of the dub version of DBZ is that the Z fighters can tell the difference between Evil Ki and Good Ki. Fat Buu Ki changed from evil to Good thanks to Mr. Satan. But when he changed to Super Buu, his Ki changed to Pure evil without a hint of good in it. When it comes to power Fat Buu before the split is equal to Super Buu. During the Buu arch, the only way Buu gets stronger is by absorbing other fighters. If Super Buu is stronger than the original Fat Buu, where did this increase in Power come from? The only way he increases his power is by absorbing someone stronger. The only difference between Fat Buu and Super Buu is one is fat, and the other one is in shape, as stated by Piccolo.

Goku could have beaten Fat Buu by teleporting to him and then taking him to other world right before he had to go back, because his Super Saiyan 3 state had less of a drawback in his dead body and the time would no longer be limited. He could have taught fusion beforehand and not transformed into Super Saiyan 3 yet and helped the next generation a lot still by beating Buu when he had the chance. Give the next generation a technique that they could use in future battles. Have Vegeta get revived and Vegeta and Gohan can learn fusion from the kids, Piccolo, and Krillin. Tien and Yamcha could learn it, too. Generally making everyone way stronger on average.

I believe you but just for the sake of argument. Did goku tell vegeta that he was stronger than both of them because he hadn’t shown vegeta ssj3 at this point?

More dbz fans really need to learn how the genki dama works. People who think kid buu could take Gohan always bring up that argument and I have to keep myself from mentally checking out cause bruh.... good video

Gohan stomps. No stamina issues either.

Very good. Honestly though I feel as though the whole "Canon vs. Non-canon stuff" is better thought of as different continuities. Super Saiyan 3 Goku in the manga continuity un-questionably loses at least in the Buu Saga. In the anime though the scaling is much different so that could have a different answer.

5:28 “Not expensing any energy thru Super Saiyan Transformations.” What u fail to realize is this all Super Saiyan Transformations, except for Super Saiyan God, all have “ki” leakage to varying degree. However, all Traditional Super Saiyan Transformations can be trained to perfection in order to Master that state and completely stop “ki” leakage of the form, when or while powering up in that form. As shown with Goku & Gohan in the Cell arc. The Saiyan base form is the only humanoid form that has no regular “ki” leakage during a power up.

8:45 I think the reason Goku said this (now Gohan can handle you) has little to do with their power levels, but rather because: A) Gohan was battered up while Goku was still fresh (even though Dende healed him earlier, but I believe Dende only heals wounds without restoring stamina... I could be wrong though), and B) This was Gohan's fight to begin with, and Goku simply returned the right to finish off Buu to him. I still think Ultimate Gohan is slightly stronger than SSJ3 Goku though,, especially with the stamina draining factored in.

Im sure he can. Then u gotta ask yourself why didn’t they bring gohan to fight kid buu? Therefor ss3 goku had the best chance to beat kid buu. If gohan was stronger they would’ve brung/instant transmission or wished gohan there. My logical answer.

To the "why isn't Gohan's energy enough for the spirit bomb" people: Where were you three arcs ago? Are you Gero reincarnated? Energy DOES NOT EQUAL battle power. How are you still making the same mistake 19 and 20 did, even after Piccolo explained this while stomping 20 out? Wasn't a narrated ass whipping enough? How many beatings will it take for you to get the message?🤦

Excelente essay !!! Yes !! I would like a buu video !!

Gohan theoretically is stronger. But practically, Goku is a much better fighter, has that desire(Gohan completely lacks this) and instincts in battle. It's why Gohan got duped in 5 mins by Buu after calling him a retard lmao. Pure power doesn't matter. That's why Kid buu was also considered more dangerous even with his power level

What is there to debate about. Goku was evenly matched with fat Boo. Gohan wiped the floor with Super Boo. End of discussion

Hey man, great bideo, your points make alot of sense out of what "Ultimate" really means in the context of Super where he trains and grows...even stronger than his Ultimate form. I feel like Beast Gohan kinda flies in the face of the "Ultimate= Gohan's max, rage-boosted power without needing him to rage," but then again it feela like they pulled it out of thin air mixed with memba-berries anyway.

Lol wtf? People were confused about which form of SSJ3 Goku and UGohan was stronger? Lol

Anime wise it could be possible because goku says kid buu was stronger than all the other buus and he fighting equally with him but in the manga strongest buu was buuhan and strongest none fused character was gohan so its up to the person decision.

Goku said he was able to defeat Majin Buu with his SSJ3 form.

I want to point out even if Ultimate Gohan lacked a higher power level he still could win given how bad they made the stamina drain on SSJ3

Great vid hope just subscribed

Very excellent power scaler. Some people dont understand how to scale thinks for making this page. Remember we can compare ss3 gotanks his base form was stronger than goku. When gotanks was ss1 u can see he can still fight super buu but then goes ss3. In his ss3 gotanks had a lot of trouble with super buu too and gohan came and woop super buu really bad while go tanks had trouble and go tanks is ss3 fusion. And there level wasn’t much different to goku. But mystic gohan easly defeated buuu compared to a ss3 form which led me to believe goku is slightly or as strong as super buu since he near gotanks level. But gohan easly beat super buu like one tap about to one shot him. So ss3 goku can’t possibly be near mystic level since goku base form isnt as strong as gotanks

Not to mention that mystic Gohan was the closest thing to god ki at the moment

Goku was about to go fight buutenks alone before the elder Kai stopped him to give him the potaras and when goku handed the spirit bomb to krillin vs vegeta he called it ki

One thing that’s annoying is when people always say “Goku could’ve easily beat Vegeta, Goku was holding back SSJ3” in hindsight and in Dragon Ball universe you can say that but in reality SSJ3 was really a “shock moment” transformation that wasn’t originally planned and the page you showed of Goku talking to Piccolo on the lookout is evidence of that. I really think at that time, Toriyama intended Goku and Vegeta to be equal power wise and was more so going to focus on Fusions but came up with SSJ3 last minute because of writing himself into a bind with Vegeta’s sacrifice and Gohan being down for the count at the moment while Majin Buu was still wreaking havoc on Earth

Fucking amazing breakdown! You deserve every like