I just found this channel. I’m so happy because I miss the grapevine so much.

Dr. Donna Oriowo is INCREDIBLE. Whew, chile!

This was a great conversation! I hope that the other communities come forward to really have an open discussion. Staying away just shows how much power & fear are still operating. It's time to be courageous & face these things even with fear. We'll all be better for it.

Glad you mentioned this! My close friend is dark skinned and only opened up to me recently about the depths of her experiences and how much different her 'blackness' is to mine, my mum's also dark skinned and honestly it's just not the same thing. It really all needs to be spoken about for proper healing to take place - squishing people into groups is so ignorant ❤

This was such a powerful conversation. Absolutely enjoy every minute (wished it was longer). Also, Donovan's last point hit home. People want to be just enough Black (race) to get invited to the cookout, but not too Black to cause discomfortable and disapproval from massa. To lend grace, it might be a trauma response. The colonizers mercilessly beat the African out of our ancestors. They tortured them until death in many cases. That pain lives in us today.

41:07-46:06 is a convo we really need to have. So I'm very thankful for it. I used to be a huge fan of the Grapevine, so I am honestly having a hard time with the new platform because it feels like Black woman erasure imo. I'm with Jimmy and the others who say we do not need POC solidarity. POC have their own stuff. Everything that used to belong to Black ppl, we now have to share: Hip Hop, Black identity (when it's beneficial), natural hair community, etc., so if the women put in front don't look like me, I do not usually support to protect my sanity.

I think this was a great discussion, its upsetting but not surprising to hear all the nonBlack people individually invited to participate eventually each pulled themselves out of this discussion. I hope that changes for you guys in the future. The topics especially on anti-Blackness as an institution in South America, and anti-Blackness as a fight over dynamics of power in Asian communities are important because its always overlooked and purposefully left out and ignored. It feels like often people either conveniently forget or don't know about South America's history with slavery and how we got into this "Mixed Mess" in the first place (rape as one of many vehicles deployed during colonization). It's also super important to hear the Black Latine experience centered over the nonBlack Latine experience in conversations abt anti-Blackness outside of the US. Many times conversations about anti-Blackness especially outside of the US conveniently excludes Black voices. This collaborative effort to combat that by bringing in a range of different Black cultural identities and experiences does a great job in doing so.

We know who to blame for colorism, so why do we take it out on each other? I think it's stupid. I'm a dark skinned black man, and I've had to come to terms with the fact that my lighter hue brothers are not responsible for my plight. Willie Lynch is alive and well, and we're the ones waiting on him hand and foot.

Donovan, I love you brotha..push that needle. Get your own network brotha. Always enlightening and pushing the discussions in our community. 👊🏾 Excellent discussion brothas and sistas. Well done!🙏🏾 If we empower ourselves we are limitless. PS THE BROTHA AT THE END. SPIT BARS. (THE LAST WORD WAS So PERTINENT TO THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION.)

I really enjoy these nuanced conversations. You’re doing important IMPACTFUL work. So glad to see Donovan again.

these comments 🤦🏽‍♀️ it’s unfortunate that a lot of you all are either choosing to or don’t have the capability to understand how dismissive your statements are .. if you could truly comprehend, think critically and outside of your own experience you would understand that these conversations are not AT ALL divisive but are what is necessary in order to move the Black community together 🥴 it’s very strange to me that y’all claim to be so hyper focused on unity in the black community yet you refuse to understand and listen to the issues that need to be heard BY THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO UNIFY THE BLACK COMMUNITY I pray for y’all no shade at all .. Donovan thank you so much for creating this space to continue these conversations that I missed so much from The Grapevine .. a lot of y’all literally raised me especially being so young and yearning to hear and see educated Black people from all walks of life come together and share their opinions in a way that was never done before, keep doing what you’re doing 🤍

I love when dr. Donna speaks

Ok took a little bit, but I’m here, subscribed & watching every vid ❤ proud of Donovan for this creation after the Grapevine 🍇 ended 💕

I appreciate this platform and this conversation. So happy to see you continuing this work, Donovan. Kudos to you and your wonderful team and to the wonderful panelists. 💐💐💐

Really enjoyed this conversation. My only critique is that it could have done with a more practical solutions-based conversation towards the end. When it comes to anti-blackness within and outside our communities, the conversations are great but they seem repetitive. I was just left wanting more answers and practical solutions otherwise we just end up having lots of conversations and little impact on the ground. Anyway, love the work that you and your team are doing Donovan - keep up the wonderful work.

At 41:14 he should have specified “Black men”. Black women are not as obsessed with dating outside of the race and “designer babies” as the men are.

Dominicans and Puerto Ricans need to have their own conversations about anti- blackness

LOVE LOVE LOVE this platform! It has opened my eyes to so much.

Really good conversation ❤

This conversation is great. I love the Stranger Fruit episodes. They're informing. The panel makes great points.

Thank you very much ! That was the realest conversation that I have heard in a long time. I love truth. We don't grow if there is no truth

10:20-10:35 on the striving for accountability being called cancel culture !!!!!! Yes !!

No! As long as 'anti black racism' & colorism within Latino, Native, Asian, Arab & Jewish communities continue through the generations.

Great discussion!

The realest conversation on this platform👏🏽

I saw Jimmy and said “oh shit” 😂😂 This should be good!! Excited to see some of the old Grapevine cast back 🫶🏽

I'm obessed with this show! Keep up the great work

❤❤❤keep these convos coming

I just found this channel thank you!!!!!

I would gladly speak on it.. im tired of ppl dismissing our experience. Even our own sometimes smh. Ots not being a victim. it's calling the issue out.

Also….as a child I remember fighting with my parents about my actually skin color. I’m a black person but skin is the color brown. Why do we hold on to an identity of a color that majority of us are not? Like we can be dark skin but not necessarily literally black.

Thank you Jimmy. Thank you Jimmy. No distractions stay focused.❤🖤💚

I can't believe the way they answered the question of the use of term BIPOC. They answered as if the term is used in place of Black or any other of the disignations we use. It speaks to our relationship with other people in terms of being victimized by Whiteness. It doesn't speak to our singular identity. What does indigenous mean in the context of BIPOC anyway? 'Indigenous people' is almost always used in relationship to white colonization. I'm sorry but it seems younger generation make things unnecessarily complicated. This speaks to another of the divides that exist among us Black people - the generational divide. Granted as Baby Boommers my generation dropped the baton, but subsequent generations have to learn from our mistakes and be more responsible than we were and be able to think more critically. More critical thinking is needed where as most people only seem to be thinking in terms of critical race theory. Is there really much practical use in the practice of academic theoretical thinking on the part of the average person?

Unity No. As Allies Yes. I can empathize with a women having a baby, but I can't pretend to know exactly what she is going through or has gone through,

I find it interesting when talking about Black Latin Caribbean countries, Haiti is the only country mentioned. Technically many of our French speaking Carib nations are technically Latin American as their languages derive from Latin. St. Lucia, St. Martin, Martinique are two that come to mind. I think the term Latino/a has been hijacked to only mean Hispanics or those with a Spanish cultural influence. We literally have different titles for these groups - Hispanic or Latin but due mostly to colorism Black countries get left out of the Latin conversation. Brazil doesn't have an issue with being identified as Latin yet Haiti does...their difference is Black people represent Haiti globally while Brazil is represented by mixed/white individuals.

Great content Donovan, peace from U.K.

Short answer no.

Subscribed!🖤

Wow i missed these conversations ❤

I’d love to give an Afro Latino view on this topic, and share my perspective on your podcast.

We haven't acheived unity among ourselves, after over half a century of a call for it. In fact we are growing further apart. KRS-One has said Hip-Hop should be an ethnicity within itself. As if Hip-Hop has any real power to construct anything of substantive concrete value. In this its 50 year anniversary it is being promoted as having changed the world, when it didn't even change the communitiews it came out of nor the people who live in them. The few areas we have unity in are superficial. We follow fads lock in step and use the same slang terms and rhectoric. Can Black people for once be honest with themselves as a group would be a constructive question to ask, if we were to aks and take it seriously in terms of actually trying to solve a problem rather than just repeatedly discuss it with the same rhectoric.

Is the Grapevine coming back?

These days is just a seems like people are having conversations to see who's the biggest victim! The damage that's being done is spiraling out of control.

It funny that they never argue with the Africans, the Somalians, Eritreans and those other separate groups. They just talk to Latinos.

That Dr. Don’t know what tf she talking about.

Menomale vivo a Firenze! Il mondo angloamericano a assurde leggi delle linee del colore! Roba da matti. In Italia non possiamo lamentarci abbiamo esclusivamente il problema legato alla cittadinanza.

Think I have feelings for Donavan

The crazy thing about Zoe Saldana is that she is Dominican Republic and Haitian.

I am creole from both parent’s. I do identify as black. I’ve confused many people with my name, hair texture and skin color. But I’m a very proud black woman. I’m 51 years old and still have to tell people that I’m black. I’ve never felt that I was better than darker blacks. I’ve always wanted to look black. I have 3 kids, 2 are boys, and 1 daughter. My daughter and youngest son look black. I’m very proud about that yet scared. My youngest, which is a boy, is very big for being 12. My husband and I continually Give the talk. He reminds me of Tamir Rice. Why should we have to be scared because of his appearance. I was in the 6th grade when I found out that I was a mixture. There is a bit of Filipino, hence the last name. I had always known I was black until we moved from south central Los Angeles to all white people in the Central Valley. There’s not much lack pride here. I’ve been told by many people, especially whites, that I should just pass. Never have and never will. I do see that I have the privilege of ambiguity. But I’ve seen my husband constantly being harassed by the cops. I’m glad I found this channel. I used to be angry when people asked what ethnicity I am and told I wasn’t black enough. Seeing this channel has made me stop feeling sorry for myself.

I'll just delete the part about June 16th in that comment since June 19th seems to be the settled on date.

Do all other nations get along do all Asians get along do all Caucasians, Kazar Russians, UK do they all get along ? H no if we seek the creator of the universe, then there shall be peace among our Nations . Study with the tribe of the law, sheep of Israel, Elder, Michael Johnson, for the truth of God’s word, and his ways.

So a Honduran has power and privilege?

With conversations like this there will be no unity. Black people this black people that. Light skin this dark skin that.

There's unity if you WANT unity. I don't think a lot of y'all want it like you think you do. I have unity, camaraderie, and acceptance among many people I come across because I seek it. Yes there are assholes, but they are few and far between and have nothing to do with race, religion, or any other BS dividers. So yeah if you WANT unity go SEEK unity!

As a black man i dont except the term poc. Who? This is just folks tryna piggy back off the pain of our struggles.

Next time you have a meting on POC, actually make it a POC room so y'all have POC thought at the table. I refuse to believe that you just couldn't find anybody. try harder so you don't monopolize a "POC" convo with majority of deeply melanated people.

Oh, but fuck desis, I see... AGAIN

That is hilarious poc was created by a black person but black people aren't included in that term hahaha the irony

I'm 45 my mom is 67 she said this dialogue is so boring and old😂 she said it's a shame that this is still a thing..

What's crazy is I'm the lightest skinned in my family. Now between me and all my siblings, two of which are dark skinned; I have by far gone through the most racism. That's not just my thoughts, my siblings have actually told me this. The crazy part about racism when it comes to lightskinned people is that there are some White people who treat me different because of my skin; but MOST Black people treat me differently too. It kinda feels like you're being rejected by both sides!

This convo was okay but i think it speaks volumes there were no south or east asians in the convo when they are the other half of POC.

No don’t like any linage not from Black American prison industrial prison camps should stay out of our business

These conversations are really regressive. I’m sorry but the colorism talk is so exhausting and feels like infighting and victim blaming

POC accountability? Many POC have faced worse discrimination than any American. I find that jealousy and resentment play a huge role in this. People have had their countries blown up or are purposely being starved and come here and face discrimination from people who should be compassionate and allies.

Opinions are a waste of valuable time. Avoid arguments by gathering more information until there is no more uncertainty.

My god Donovan when will you evolve from talking about race. From the grapevine now this everyday blackness dark skin this dark skin that. There's more to us then us being black and our "struggles"

Do any of you understand the construct of Black and White, there is no such thing and created by the oppressor.

Here we go more victim mentality.

All the complaining, whining and victimisation, because people of other ethnicities and cultures, showed you solidarity, encouragement, support for Black liberation. Not only you're implying that your allies are not being honest, that we're crisis actors and deceivers, you're demanding that we do more. You didn't produce any specific conclusions, suggestions, proposals for real life actions to be taken, it's all a chain of negativity that comes from post-colonial trauma, division promoted by Whites who fear a Black and Latino unity and the miseducation about the rest of the world, that most Americans get in the USA.