SHOULD POC SAY THE N-WORD? || S1EP9 STRANGER FRUIT Podcast

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STRANGER FRUIT UNIVERSE

STRANGER FRUIT UNIVERSE

Жыл бұрын

Hip Hop is the most popular music genre in the world. With that comes access to Black American culture, customs, and vernacular including the n-word. In this second installment of our series on violence, the panelists come together to discuss the impact of the N-word and more. Should POC be allowed to say the N-word? Are we too far gone to police language now? What do you think?
Tag #thestrangerfruit or @ us on social media to let us know what you think of the episode! Remember, conflict + compassion = empathy.
Featuring: Dr. Donna (@dr.donnaoriowo), Nikki Valentine (@Inikkivalentine), TaDeo Asojano (tadeoasojano), Elijahdā Warner (@alishadayqueen) , Kumoyo Wakunguma (@kumosunfilteredconvos) , Tiffanie McKinnon (@discussitwithdutchess), Marquise Davon Richards (@marquisedavon), and "Juice" Pierce (juic3_nochas3r)
Donovan Thompson: EP, Host
Constanza Eliana Chinea: Producer, Co-Host
Danhy Clermont: Producer
William Stallings: Executive Producer
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@mzladymo
@mzladymo Жыл бұрын
I would love a deeper look into regional cultures. Down south it's not accepted at ALL for any POC to say it regardless if you were raised within the culture.
@DonovanThompson
@DonovanThompson Жыл бұрын
This is a great point! Thx for this. We will explore the southern perspective.
@madmann1000
@madmann1000 Жыл бұрын
Not quite. Texas and Florida are different because they both have very large brown communities who love to say the word more than black people.
@thebelleperspective4439
@thebelleperspective4439 Жыл бұрын
Ok, this is bugging me. It’s “regardless” not “irregarless” sorry! But I also agree with you! 💯
@thebelleperspective4439
@thebelleperspective4439 Жыл бұрын
@@madmann1000 I’m from Florida and I’m a black woman. And I don’t like it when any brown ppl say the N-word.
@Jtve737
@Jtve737 Жыл бұрын
​@@madmann1000 That's because there are a BUNCH of Black immigrants.
@kuvf9816
@kuvf9816 Жыл бұрын
we should stop saying it to further our maturity. its toxic and not helpful. never was no matter what rappers made it cool. we must realize that no other community does this.
@kc-jv1rn
@kc-jv1rn Жыл бұрын
Boom.
@kc-jv1rn
@kc-jv1rn Жыл бұрын
I took it out my vocabulary around 2021/22
@kaylarogan8988
@kaylarogan8988 Жыл бұрын
I took it out my vocabulary in 2018/2019. My college mentor challenge me and my co-workers to go 30 days in November to not use it due to the history of the word.
@tashboog5458
@tashboog5458 Жыл бұрын
What other communities do has nothing to do with us just as such they’ve not our legacy or any other comparable aspect to their culture. I can accept many of the arguments for the disengagement with this term but one I’m not here for is others setting the standard for us. The word remains in my vocabulary along with others many consider derogatory bc I’ve given it my very mature, critical thinking and saw no reason of my own to change that. Totally respect other’s decision to stop tho, I’m just not giving anyone a cookie for it 🤷🏾‍♀️
@fleetwoodcad1
@fleetwoodcad1 Жыл бұрын
We call each other savs even tho that’s what they called us on line 26 of the Declaration of Independence. Most are joking but I think some really take the word literally. The top white folks sure take it not as a joke.
@modest.mystic
@modest.mystic Жыл бұрын
If black people don’t respect themselves than why would other people respect them?
@kc-jv1rn
@kc-jv1rn Жыл бұрын
I dont know how this channel popped up in my algorithim, but I have been throughly engulfed in this channel
@v.a.993
@v.a.993 Жыл бұрын
In the search box type in Grapevine. Donovan was a part of that as well.
@rondarode8271
@rondarode8271 Жыл бұрын
It drives me crazy to hear anyone let alone black people specify a non black person using n word with the “hard r”🙄 We have also made way to mainstream in our community. I hate hearing black people use it to each other so damn much
@intherapture
@intherapture Жыл бұрын
Loved this conversation! The intersections of media literacy, gatekeeping Black culture, the politics of racialization and wanting to be influential without responsibility for its consequences is masterful. It's absolutely about defining ourselves FOR ourselves outside of ⚪️ supremacy. I love it here folks 🫶🏾
@strangerfruituniverse
@strangerfruituniverse Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching and the good vibes. Are there any topics that you would like us to cover?
@DIJONh100
@DIJONh100 Жыл бұрын
WHY ARE PEOPLE NOT WATCHING THIS. HOW ARE THESE PODCASTS NOT VIRAL!? OMG!?
@Soulplatinumsuper
@Soulplatinumsuper Жыл бұрын
Well done to the producers. It’s shot and edited very well
@strangerfruituniverse
@strangerfruituniverse Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!!!! We really appreciate that.
@forever7resh370
@forever7resh370 Жыл бұрын
@@strangerfruituniverse LMAO Quit giving yourself so much credit Donovan. Look at the views. No one is watching this weak content. Come up with better topics or just bow out. You femme energy is failing you. 😂
@jeremythomas6408
@jeremythomas6408 Жыл бұрын
We can't expect respect from other communities until we respect ourselves...and that starts with removing the most disrespectful word from our community vocabulary.
@ShaneishaT
@ShaneishaT Жыл бұрын
OK can we remove "dark" and "black" too cause that's trigging all the same. One word ain't stopping nothing. "Your black like midnight Your burned like chocolate? Even if they did that The hatred ain't stopping." Can you spot the negroe? It aint take long to know you saying without saying I'm a nig. What a pity if we erase nigga and get gaslight in said Era or better yet 🤔. History repeats itself
@karmabelle
@karmabelle Жыл бұрын
100% agree
@beema2404
@beema2404 Жыл бұрын
At the end of the day this is the truth. It’s hard for a lot of ppl because it’s so deeply embedded in our music, language, etc but it is the truth.
@mariahkindle4486
@mariahkindle4486 11 ай бұрын
🙏🏾🙌🏾
@platterjockey
@platterjockey 10 ай бұрын
Thank you!!! Interesting how only 23 people liked your comment, though. As above, I challenge ALL Black people to go one day without using the n-word. The self-hatred is so ingrained into Black culture that I doubt it can even be done, but I challenge all Blacks to stop it.
@TheVandalboys
@TheVandalboys Жыл бұрын
As a Polynesian, I hate the fact that some of my people feel entitled to use this word just because they grew up in close proximities w/ Black people. I too grew up around Black People but I know better. I do know that there are more Polynesian Gen-Z babies who are checking my generation on this topic so that’s good!
@beach_boy1141
@beach_boy1141 Жыл бұрын
As a black person who grew up in the hood around all different races who all said the word it wasn’t a problem. It wasn’t a problem until social media and people who aren’t from these neighborhoods came along and started voicing their opinions about what’s being said in neighborhoods that they’re not from. They’re the ones causing a divide where there wasn’t one. No one from these different hoods cared who said it.
@melechdomeyhwh
@melechdomeyhwh Жыл бұрын
​@@beach_boy1141 kkkoooon
@darkmercury_19
@darkmercury_19 Жыл бұрын
@@melechdomeyhwh you're the type of person he's talking about.... in major cities nobody cares... Massa still own u
@poetryismyting8854
@poetryismyting8854 Жыл бұрын
@@beach_boy1141they just said when you associate the n-word with poverty/hood that’s the problem 😂.
@beach_boy1141
@beach_boy1141 Жыл бұрын
@@poetryismyting8854 They have it wrong. When I was growing up in the hood we were the only people saying it (blacks and non blacks). When I left the hood it wasn’t said. In professional settings it’s not said. Upper class environments it’s not said. It was always for people in the hood. The problem is people who aren’t from these environments trying to tell people what they can and cannot say. The people there didn’t care who said it.
@cliffordgeneral8167
@cliffordgeneral8167 Жыл бұрын
I love this channel. Talking about stuff that needs to be talked about
@rainicewaller6210
@rainicewaller6210 Жыл бұрын
I wish we as a generation realized that a word that causes such pain cannot be reclaimed.
@platterjockey
@platterjockey 10 ай бұрын
Yes! I believe some Black people say they are reclaiming the word 1) don't know their history, and 2) they think that they are somehow preserving or promoting their culture. I say, what culture is that? Self-hatred? Slowly destroying your culture or your people? Doing the White man's work? Because that's what it really is, doing the White man's work.
@blackbutterfly8136
@blackbutterfly8136 6 ай бұрын
💯
@MarissaontheMAP
@MarissaontheMAP Жыл бұрын
My head most definitely be on swivel! And it’s so annoying. I recently thought about how I haven’t been surrounding myself with non Black people and when I thought about why, it was because I got tired of anticipating them using the n word and then having to check them and explain why it’s not okay. Like it’s literally common sense and it’s so frustrating. Even worse that there are so many Black people who go about it with the “idc as long as it’s not to me” attitude smh
@ShaneishaT
@ShaneishaT Жыл бұрын
I encountered my first poc nigga situation and I was more stunned than anything. I hate making people feel bad but shit 😒 I've been hurt so bad my hurt sneak me too.I was silent for months. The blood was boiling. The inner voices scream you betrayer. 🤣 but I'm like she's black. But Indian but black but Indian. You darker than me,but your straight haired . You say f u jamaican niggas and your from trinidad??? What happen to Caribbean queens? And you never attempted to say nigga when we were speaking cool only when you talking shit. As far as me concern everybody can be a nigga but not everyone can say it. Sometimes its not about no direct racist perpetuating thing. It about this scar you keep opening even though I'm yelling it hurts. I'm not proud. But you should seen the face on a man's face when I called him as such. I seen the social constructs dissappear from his whole being mid crowd. HE WAS WHITE BUT ACTING SPECIAL. To much shit stolen for anyone to tell nobody what to hang up or not say if your not feeling the pain. People are uncomfortable with pain they can't inflict and control. That's the issue. It forces them to do things. Things like wonder who pushed you this far. 🤔
@zarario4444
@zarario4444 Жыл бұрын
Alot of Black People don't have a problem with non-Black people using the N-word. Especially if they grew up in the same neighborhood.
@MarissaontheMAP
@MarissaontheMAP Жыл бұрын
@@zarario4444 here y’all go with that grew up in the same neighborhood BS. That’s ignorance. Idgaf where you grew up, it’s NOT okay to say.
@purplesky99876
@purplesky99876 Жыл бұрын
Honestly nobody should use it. Reclaimed slurs are still slurs to me.
@lizabetx483
@lizabetx483 Жыл бұрын
The word black comes from negro (Spanish,Portuguese) which also gave rise to the N word. It was created by Caucasian slave traders and slave masters. For them white = everything good, black = everything bad. We are still using the title given to us by the slave masters. We are of African descent but we call ourselves and allow others to call us by a forced name. Chinese refuse to be called "yellow" and Native Americans refuse to be called "red". They are right to refuse these titles, it is racist. But we have been oppressed so long we can't see clearly.
@platterjockey
@platterjockey 10 ай бұрын
I am a 60-ish Black man. I grew up in the "White" world. In a way, I feel sad that I cannot relate to any of this. I do not listen to modern rap music because I am sick of hearing the n-word. Every other word is the n-word. I can't talk to Black people because I get mighty offended by that damn n-word. I suspect many Blacks who grew up in "Black culture" think they are making that word their own but they can't. The White man created that word for us and for us to use it among ourselves is a form of self-hatred. I love Kendrick Lamar, but I can't listen to most of his stuff because it's all the n-word. I'd rather hear the music I grew up with: James Brown, Styx, Boston, The Beatles, The temptations. You NEVER hear the n-word from any of them! How in the hell do you expect White people and Latinos to stop using that word if we all keep using it? People get fired for using the n-word. Why are Black people using it?
@hybridangel3403
@hybridangel3403 Жыл бұрын
No one should be saying dead and bury it mek it done
@tccraig5108
@tccraig5108 Жыл бұрын
I don't like anyone to use the word....but that word is specific to the struggle of black americans....NOT everyone of the diaspora...so no, Puerto Rican, Dominican, etc cannot say it. I'm not good with it. Nope.
@Melissa-oq3zu
@Melissa-oq3zu Жыл бұрын
They should absolutely not
@montagne5825
@montagne5825 Жыл бұрын
Black people are responsible for it. Whether it’s hard r or not, they use a variation of it all the time. They also call POC and white ppl the word too so it’s kinda surprising when they get upset that others use it.
@michaelbruno1330
@michaelbruno1330 Жыл бұрын
So true!
@amanworthy
@amanworthy Жыл бұрын
So your justification or wanting to call a black person the n-word is, well black people say it. You know how when you were 4 years old, and your parents would ask you about jumping off a bridge if your friend did. Were you the kid that said yes you would?
@ima.m.1658
@ima.m.1658 Жыл бұрын
this is such an ignorant comment. How is them using it the same as others using it? ofc they're allowed to be upset.
@MichaelScreamMachineEvans
@MichaelScreamMachineEvans Жыл бұрын
It's never okay to say it unless it's okay for me to call you a trope
@18leverkay000
@18leverkay000 Жыл бұрын
This podcast is everything the WORLD needs. Thank y’all 🗣️🙏🏽
@tamsinwood2
@tamsinwood2 Жыл бұрын
I'm a black brit. Went on holiday to Turkey. Uk and US rap are big. Imagine my dismay to hear white Europeans saying niggaz and even attempting to call my son that. 😮
@rockb922
@rockb922 Жыл бұрын
It's wierd to hear black brits say the word too, especially with that accent. I don't like it at all.
@MrLamboaaron
@MrLamboaaron Жыл бұрын
​​@@rockb922 maybe no one should use the word then. If black British started referring to themselves by the slurs they were called growing up an it got across the pond, you'd have 4 other words to deal with other than this precious N word, the accent would be the least of the problem
@tamsinwood2
@tamsinwood2 Жыл бұрын
@@rockb922 Brits have been using the N word for a very long time. Many of our parents are from the Caribbean or Africa, so our experiences are not too dissimiliar to black people in the US.
@Ray03595
@Ray03595 Жыл бұрын
Yup. We are exporting this vile language all around the world. It's a fantasy to think the rest of the world first of all even knows, and second of all, even cares that it derogatory language. Especially when these rappers use it so casually. Unfortunately it's just so engrained in Black American culture. The state of our music is so harmful to us and only benefits the artist and the music producers.
@blackbutterfly8136
@blackbutterfly8136 6 ай бұрын
​@@rockb922 it's weired that you would say that if you don't talk with a certain accents, you shouldn't say a word. You clearly need to travel. That racial slur is used throughout the world. The power will NEVER be reclaimed. It should be banned period.
@hybridangel3403
@hybridangel3403 Жыл бұрын
Stop saying it and lets get us taken seriously.
@melechdomeyhwh
@melechdomeyhwh Жыл бұрын
10000 thumbs 👍🏿
@kc-jv1rn
@kc-jv1rn Жыл бұрын
Great dialogue, input, and perspectives
@myrabodian526
@myrabodian526 Жыл бұрын
Love This layered conversation✨
@blahblahblah5585
@blahblahblah5585 Жыл бұрын
I'm a BIG country and rap music lover, and I can tell you that country music talk about the EXACT same things as rap/hiphop. Like he said, there's just a subtlety too it with WAY less profanity.
@mikejones-wn1sw
@mikejones-wn1sw 9 ай бұрын
@blahblahblah5585 Foundational Black Americans created country and rock music. So it makes sense
@blahblahblah5585
@blahblahblah5585 9 ай бұрын
@mikejones-wn1sw yup, and they're ALL derivatives of Jazz (also created by black ppl) America's only art form
@brandon_jo_el
@brandon_jo_el Жыл бұрын
Back in the day, using the "n word" was seen as low - class behavior. I used to respect the fact that most Caribbean and African parents didn't allow their children to say it. Nowadays, they say it more the Black people.
@klee6073
@klee6073 Жыл бұрын
What? Africans and most Caribbeans are black?? Tf??
@brandon_jo_el
@brandon_jo_el Жыл бұрын
@@klee6073 They're black people, but not "Black" like Black Americans. That's what I was trying to say.
@limofootball
@limofootball Жыл бұрын
@@brandon_jo_el They don't say it more than BA.
@MrLamboaaron
@MrLamboaaron Жыл бұрын
​@@brandon_jo_el This makes no sense whatsoever
@mikejones-wn1sw
@mikejones-wn1sw 9 ай бұрын
@brandon_jo_el only a ignorant immigrant would say that dumb sht. You know damn well they are not black, we know cosplaying and wanting to rename yourself as us is common but you are not us. There is no such thing as a black african, or a black jamacian. Very weird people. You say it in public but would never say it at home at the dinner table with your parents
@blahblahblah5585
@blahblahblah5585 Жыл бұрын
OMG!! Is every episode like this and with these people? This is my first time seeing this channel and I LOVE IT❗❗ Intelligent, Articulate niggas talking about culturally relevant topics that MATTER 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 You just got a new subscriber 😍
@strangerfruituniverse
@strangerfruituniverse Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for watching!!! So glad we found each-other!
@thebelleperspective4439
@thebelleperspective4439 Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand! Why do POCs think it’s OK?
@melechdomeyhwh
@melechdomeyhwh Жыл бұрын
Why do black people use it?
@tamsinwood2
@tamsinwood2 Жыл бұрын
A great discussion. Thank you.
@tashboog5458
@tashboog5458 Жыл бұрын
Ok NO to that last point, absolutely not 🙅🏾‍♀️ Nobody denied Rihanna of being a victim bc the proof was plastered all over the media left, right front, center, and ultimately on Chris Brown’s neck. That is not comparable to a situation where multiple people’s stories kept changing including Meg blatantly lying about even being involved with her so called abuser less any concrete evidence of who was responsible for that occurrence, which was all ultimately speculation over something only the people involved best understand - and even that’s shaky. That which you described exists but this wasn’t that - please stop smh.
@nikk5002
@nikk5002 Жыл бұрын
I said the same thing. It definitely did not have to do with Megan‘s skin tone. Both counter examples she gave were clear cut. Megan’s case just was not. I hate that she brought that up without nuance.
@kandi6197
@kandi6197 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was agreeing with her about the double standards re takeoff and Meghan until she made the Rihanna comparison, not comparable by any means.
@EmpressB-mz6qh
@EmpressB-mz6qh Жыл бұрын
I’m a blk British person and we don’t use that word like blk Americans do … I was once called white for telling a blk American to stop using that word as our ancestors were raped and beaten by slave masters who said this while committing these crimes. ITS NOT A WORD OF ENDEARMENT ITS DEGRADING!
@jmelanierenee
@jmelanierenee Жыл бұрын
That’s our (Black Americans) is identities. That what is missing from this conversation. It is the fabric of our reality is being Black. In the UK, you guys have parents from a defined place with a define sense of knowing who you are. Most Black Americans do not. Hence, as you see, we turn a lot of our pain into something positive. That’s what makes us resilient. You as a Black British, may have parents that are immigrants. You can take that down to tribe. The way we BA do our “tribes”’ is by city/zipcode/neighborhood, etc. we gotta go deeper than this. Imo, only BA have the right to say it
@EmpressB-mz6qh
@EmpressB-mz6qh Жыл бұрын
@@jmelanierenee I’m sorry I disagree with the part that only black Americans can say it … you need to change the narrative and from my knowledge there are Africans and Caribbeans who are now second generation immigrants… however I do understand that a lot of bA don’t have a blk country to trace back to due to slavery but that does give you the right to say the N word … I may be British but it’s American slavery that opened my eyes to what OUR ANCESTORS went through we are all connected in some way …
@jmelanierenee
@jmelanierenee 11 ай бұрын
@@EmpressB-mz6qh some of it is due to slavery, but the rest was paper genocide. Niji people, the indigenous ones, are the ones that experienced that. Not everyone here is from Slavery. Some of us are Indigenous Americans. And that word is specific to The States. Bc you can’t even tell me what the word is and what is truly means. And it can’t be OUR ancestors bc as a British person, you don’t have ancestors that experienced the slave trade and grew up as one. I could be wrong. But you stated your parents are immigrants yesv
@Mothobius
@Mothobius 21 күн бұрын
What is this nga on about
@EmpressB-mz6qh
@EmpressB-mz6qh 21 күн бұрын
@@jmelanierenee you said a lot of nothing …. The originality and f the word is Spanish and it came from negros meaning the colour blk … the Europeans used it as racial slur … and some blk ppl all over the world are brainwashed into thinking this word is ok … another thing is blk Americans are my ancestors … we all are blk and that’s what connects us no divide… do white ppl said hi my white or hi my cracker no they don’t … makes blk ppl look uneducated and self hating … you go ahead and claim that word but me and mind are too educated to call another blk person a word that’s was used to describe someone who is uneducated and 33% of a human …
@maimaip6996
@maimaip6996 Жыл бұрын
I hate when y'all bring up certain topics without being accurate. The difference between cardi b and Nicki Minaj is only one of them have 2 VISIBLY BLACK parents while the other has none which would have been an great conversation about how white Latinos usually feel more bold to using the word because of how (Latino, Hispanic etc) are used as umbrella terms grouping them all together as one. There are people who still don't understand the difference between race, ethnicity and nationality. Also, could've spoken to having African ancestry does not make you black. We as African Americans don't have access to whiteness from being mixed tf up.
@marriselv4784
@marriselv4784 Жыл бұрын
I’m Latina and agree with everything you just said. Very true.
@biglou9776
@biglou9776 Жыл бұрын
I remember my mom telling me back in the early 90's "son Hip Hop is bringing back the N word" Shout out the the camera crew & editor great job on how you cut these angles out when each panelist was talking
@anthonyproffitt5341
@anthonyproffitt5341 8 ай бұрын
Powerful show.
@chronicles6065
@chronicles6065 Жыл бұрын
This was dope!
@MessyGurlGardens
@MessyGurlGardens Жыл бұрын
I love this conversation, but I think one of the important parts folks glossed over is the WHY of the violence that exists so distinctly in hip hop. We can’t forget the legacy of slavery and racial violence that is so strong in this country, whose shadow is still so long. The ways Black folk have been brutalized here is so distinctive, in part because we live with our colonizers, in part because the British and English who took over here are shitty in a way specific and different than a lot of other places colonized by the Spanish and French. We can’t forget that hiphop was born out of an era where the government was literally pumping crack in our neighborhoods and executing us in the street; it has always been ok to be disgustingly violent to Black folks in America. THAT is what makes our music so special, in all the good and bad ways. We live in the most violent country in the world, and are subjected to daily violence as commonplace in a way that is not rare but is unique. These circumstances create an equation that gives us songs where Black folks who talk about murdering each other are the most uplifted by the system we live in. The oppressive American one that we’ve all lived under for centuries. It feels like folks forgot about that a little in the conversation.
@ima.m.1658
@ima.m.1658 Жыл бұрын
thank you for this. it's an important point
@zarario4444
@zarario4444 Жыл бұрын
Where does personal accountability come in?
@DIJONh100
@DIJONh100 Жыл бұрын
love these conversations! I am a coloured from South Africa and we have a lot of the same identity issues as biracial people! It's so nice to see a different perspective
@corneliasworld9678
@corneliasworld9678 Жыл бұрын
When we respect ourselves and our ancestors struggle as black people, other people will respect us. We can't force people to stop using the N word when we're using it daily and in music. I'm not buying the "term of endearment" because if it is now a positive word, then everyone would be able to use it without it creating animosity.
@conspiracyjen85
@conspiracyjen85 Жыл бұрын
This is a good conversation starter. I think for Black music month which is in June should be a momth where music messaging is highlighted. However, the last few hip hop concerts I have been to most of the audiences are not Black. So, as Black ppl its hard to try and maintain control over something that our dollars don't primarily dominate. Next, violence is often targeted in hip hop, games like halo, t.v. shows or movies and even certain books, its not targeted and children play video games way more than listen to an artist nowadays.
@davida.rodriguez8870
@davida.rodriguez8870 Жыл бұрын
Love the show. Thanks for these conversations. The only thing I would push back on is about the use of the word in Puerto Rico. It felt like Constanza conveyed its pervasive everywhere here. The majority of the island speaks spanish in their day to day. This is not a vocabulary word that fits into the conversation in any easy way. Now, AMERICANIZED Puerto Ricans who listen and grew up on hip hop or music where the word might be pervasive may use it in their spaces. No question about that. However, it is a small portion of the Island's demographic. I've mostly heard it from people who identify as Puerto Rican from the Bronx or who grew up in other parts of New York or the states. When I go back to my circles inside Puerto Rico where I was born and grew up in, we mostly communicate in spanish, and in my case many of them don't necessarily listen to hip hop, unlike my US counterparts. Reggaeton which is super popular for younger generations rarely uses the word at all as well. Again it's almost always sung in spanish. So I would definitely say It's mostly those who have grown up in the states and in english speaking communities where it is used. They travel here, and bring it to the circles they may spend time with if they are not code switching to speaking in spanish. Puerto Rico has its issues with blackness, and there are always exceptions, but I wouldn't say the use of the N-word is one of them. It's not a spanish word, and though we may be american citizens and listened to american music growing up, we're culturally very separate and distinct with different understanding and experiences on race which we can spend hours/days dissecting, but simply put the masses in PR do not use that word in common day to day conversation. It just doesn't happen.
@Kscomelli
@Kscomelli 6 ай бұрын
My kids couldn't listen nor could they watch award shows. Now that they are older they listen to it and I never stopped listening. Being their mother I needed them to understand the difference in valued music versus non- valued music. I needed them to learn the art of music when they were ready to learn it.
@lolarose5473
@lolarose5473 Жыл бұрын
I love this conversation
@bri4njeff3rs0n
@bri4njeff3rs0n Жыл бұрын
Opinions are not facts and only facts lead to constructive results scientifically and technologically.
@slayaw99
@slayaw99 Жыл бұрын
Gen X here, hip hop and rap was better when no one could curse in music, it’s unfortunate how prolific and acceptable it’s become to inflict pain and trauma upon ourselves. This needs to end completely not just in music. Great topic and conversation.
@amanworthy
@amanworthy Жыл бұрын
You sure it's not just because as a Gen X'er you feel nostalgic attachment to the dinosaur rap? It's giving heavy "BACK IN MY DAAAAAAY" old people energy.
@lovelypinkx
@lovelypinkx Жыл бұрын
I think the n-word shouldn’t be used at all by anyone including Black people. In the past Black people fought SO hard for that word not to be used. However it’s ok for Black people among themselves to use it, since it was used towards them in the past. I spoke to a 95 year old Black lady and she thought it was sad and frustrating, because of that. You keep using the word you just broke the work that Black people in the past tried so hard to do. You’re not helping by saying oh it’s ok to use, because we’re black. NO. I don’t care if it change to adding the “a” at the end. People aren’t stupid. They know what word you’re saying. A Hispanic person literally said you’re either black or white. It’s ok if someone of color to ok the word. Also if you’re biracial? Oh you can’t use it because you’re not really black. You don’t look black enough.
@Ray03595
@Ray03595 Жыл бұрын
Why is anyone. You’re just degrading yourself. This word isn’t in my vocabulary and not in a lot of the music I listen to. Our community is so so damaged.
@gnettetwin439
@gnettetwin439 Жыл бұрын
How about if everyone stop using that degrading word.🇯🇲
@Jtve737
@Jtve737 Жыл бұрын
For the final time HIP HOP didnt start with Puerto Ricans at all. It is puerly A FOUNDATIONAL BLACK AMERICAN CREATION.
@marriselv4784
@marriselv4784 Жыл бұрын
That’s true, however Puerto Ricans in the Bronx contributed and were involved in the early stages of hip hop and were dj’s and helped pioneer break dancing.
@Jtve737
@Jtve737 Жыл бұрын
@Marrisel V This misconception is that hip hop started in the early 1970s which is false. Hip hop origins date all the way back to the early 20s. Hip hop is a mixture of Jazz, Funk and Soul. All of these elements stem from Foundational Black Americans. Break Dancing was is a derivative of swing simply without a partner. Dj flowers, pigmeat Markham, etc were ALREADY DJ well before any Puerto Ricans came about. The reason Puerto Ricans get no credit is simply because their is ZERO evidence of any elements coming from your homelands. I am sorry but you all are the first to copy us, but that's about it. The 1970s mark when hip hop was officially branded.
@davida.rodriguez8870
@davida.rodriguez8870 Жыл бұрын
My only push back is Puerto Ricans can also be black. Not discounting issues with racial identity or ambiguity, but there are many black Puerto Ricans too. While living away from their homeland (as you put it) for decades, they established americanized versions of their own communities adjacent african american communities in big cities in the US. Many easily moved around black american circles where some of this music was coming together. So let's not exclude them so easily nor from their roots in blackness or music. They can be both. It's not either/or game especially in the american melting pot.
@Jtve737
@Jtve737 Жыл бұрын
@David A. Rodriguez That's where you fall apart. The "Black Puerto Ricans" didn't bring any element or portions of their culture that was implemented into Black American culture. We have had a long standing isolated culture especially in music. Our music comes from spiritual roots and the church. Black Puerto Ricans simply assimilated into a culture already created and cultivated. I also want to note that being Black doesn't equate to same people. There are several groups that are not necessarily related. Black Americans do not subscribe to the slave story anymore and we claim our indigenous heritage. Our culture is simply ours and other have assimilated and took part in our practices.
@beyourself2444
@beyourself2444 Жыл бұрын
It started with black West Indians in NYC.
@karmabelle
@karmabelle Жыл бұрын
I want black people to stop saying the word I'm general. It sounds ignorant and we as a people need to move away from it. I don't sew Jewish people or Latino people out here calling each other by a slur. Honestly, we look dumb as a people. What have we gained from using it? How has it served us? What good does it do? Doesn't make sense.
@Dominican1923
@Dominican1923 Жыл бұрын
Latino ain't a race there's white black mixed race and even asian Latinos
@siddaye
@siddaye Жыл бұрын
STOP SAYING AND USING THE N WORD I REPEAT ALL PEOPLE NEED TO STOP SAYING AND USING THE N WORD PERIOD NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS END OF DISCUSSION
@sandycheeks1580
@sandycheeks1580 Жыл бұрын
🎉😢ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! The word needs to die ☠️
@MayMayboris
@MayMayboris Ай бұрын
Thank God for Juice Pierce for recalibrating the narrative about rap and hip hop being the only genre of music portraying women in a negative light and preaching violence !!!! This young woman in burgundy is expressing quite a flagrant confirmation bias.... because the number of salsa songs and country songs that are despicable towards women and promote infidelity isn't to be ignored!!!! There is a lot of Afrobeat or Jamaican songs that would prove her wrong!
@lodunsi
@lodunsi Жыл бұрын
African music we do not talk about violence in music it’s supposed to be about bringing joy through our music Women are not debased or disrespected or called names In Afro music
@cmg25
@cmg25 Жыл бұрын
Is anyone arguing for the right to say “bike” with w a K? I THINK NOT. Are we bringing the justification to the kindergarten level? This perpetual conversation ALLOWS people to find LOOPHOLES. It’s exhausting. No other slurs get this much equivocation.
@segchainberland5847
@segchainberland5847 11 ай бұрын
I wish they each would have said a positive artist they like. The conversation is important but in these platforms, especially when talking about music. They can really highlight other socially conscious artist. One of my favorites is Little Simz
@chenana429
@chenana429 Жыл бұрын
"Black folks, we have been on a path of acquiring power" oooof. Idk how to deal with that
@Kscomelli
@Kscomelli 6 ай бұрын
I do not allow the N word in my house. My kids probably say it among their friends. I did the same when I was younger. I don't like the word.
@wall91nutz
@wall91nutz Жыл бұрын
The N word isn’t the be all and end all of racism. If no rapper ever said it again and no rap fan ever said it again it wouldn’t change anything on a real scale
@ajayyamour745
@ajayyamour745 Жыл бұрын
Music doesn’t effect behavior however studies show it can impact your emotions on a physiological level at that…
@Guyforkz
@Guyforkz Жыл бұрын
Simple really, if you want to take the power away from the N word, simply don’t say it. Promoting it in our music is not empowerment, it’s a contradiction that opens the door to disrespect from other communities that follow our culture. Remember RnB and Hiphop is now Pop, so we should have a zero tolerance policy regarding b***h and n***a as all it does is confuse and send out mixed signals to the wider public. If we don’t respect ourselves how can others respect us?
@Haderva
@Haderva Жыл бұрын
Rap is popular in the English tongue. I suggest swapping the European slur for blackness for an African-rooted insult if feasible?! Assuming a Euro-based island language and telling the developer's heirs not to use their cultural wealth, i.e., language, as they see fit is bold. Moving content 👍🏾
@Daedalus215
@Daedalus215 9 ай бұрын
This is the second time that I have come to watch this show, and once again I find it ponderous and somewhat depressing. The topics deserved to be talked about, but the backdrop in which they have been placed, only serves to make this a more morose experience. Who chose the backdrop and why, is it a reflection of our heritage or was it the only thing that was still available at the local car boot sale. Can we please try to uplift the spirit with a brighter ambience where the jungle is not a feature and people on the show are not devoured by the depressing environment that you have sought to keep them in?
@ivycarrano8207
@ivycarrano8207 2 ай бұрын
Thank God I don't live around people who are obsessed with race. I don't know anyone who uses the N word and I would never use it. These comments are giving me a headache. Im out.
@m.g.3021
@m.g.3021 Жыл бұрын
1. words should never be answered with physical violence. 2. I think we have given too much power to a word. I wish we could drop the phrase “the N word” because it has given people the idea that any non-black person who says the word, regardless of the context, should loose their job. 3. We have no right to demand that others can’t use the word if we use it. The word being used in music and played in public spaces means that we should expect that others are going to use the word. I didn’t always feel this way. I came up before the phrase “the N word” came into existence. I grew up in a black family that did not use the word and I always abhorred it. It has taken me several decades to see the damage caused by replacing the word with a phrase, and in giving the word too much power. It was only a few years ago that I have changed my way of thinking. After hearing a white guy complain about going to a construction site and hearing the word blasting from a boom box, and feeling that there was a double standard that only some can use the word, I was at first deeply offended. I couldn’t understand why he would want to say the word in the first place. It took me a few days but I later saw his point. If its so taboo, NO ONE gets to say it. It then shouldn’t be allowed in public spaces. But since it is played in public spaces, let’s not loose our minds if others say it. We can’t be that special that we get to say what others can’t.
@uselesslysexy
@uselesslysexy Жыл бұрын
In short, no. We should not be using it.
@Legend7211
@Legend7211 Жыл бұрын
Why dont they talk about the use of the word in video games?
@hansolo2997
@hansolo2997 Жыл бұрын
And also I’d say that we need to also consider the artist who is making the music when a lot of artists especially artists from the United States of America make music and they’re putting the N-word in their music are we not aware that these people are international artists not only are they going to states within the United States that are predominantly of people of European ancestry they go to European countries and perform these songs. we would all have to be smoking crack if we think that these artists are stopping their sets and telling their entire white audience that they cannot say the N-word why they are putting on a performance because that’s not happening so at the end of the day if we do not want other people saying the N-word, then we should not be supporting music that says it or artist. Because I don’t know any Jewish artist who goes out of their way to say the K word in their music so that other groups and other people when they travel internationally, repeat that word, and then it becomes normalized that everyone can say it.
@hansolo2997
@hansolo2997 Жыл бұрын
The only group I knew growing up saying nigga was people from mainly nyc the four Burroughs. Other then that no other group whether you’re black or not from any other part of the world grew up, saying the word nigga. So culturally if we want to tell people who grow up from New York City that are not supposedly black that they can’t say the N-word then I would also say that Africans from Africa who didn’t grow up, saying the N-word shouldn’t be saying it either because culturally it’s not of your culture to say that word and it wasn’t until you came here that many of you now identify with the black struggle and using the word nigga cause these cultural things are not common back in your homes.
@beach_boy1141
@beach_boy1141 Жыл бұрын
As a black person who grew up in the hood around all different races who all said the word it wasn’t a problem. It wasn’t a problem until social media and people who aren’t from these neighborhoods came along and started voicing their opinions about what’s being said in neighborhoods that they’re not from. They’re the ones causing a divide where there wasn’t one. No one from these different hoods cared who said it.
@ShaneishaT
@ShaneishaT Жыл бұрын
Tone and delivery... history
@CarrellJones
@CarrellJones Жыл бұрын
Nope you can't speak for all ppl
@beach_boy1141
@beach_boy1141 Жыл бұрын
@@CarrellJones Exactly and people not from these different ghettos and neighborhoods can’t speak for people who are from them. The common theme is that everyone in those neighborhoods regardless of race says the word and none of them have a problem with it.
@mikejones-wn1sw
@mikejones-wn1sw 9 ай бұрын
@beach_boy1141 most immigrants who cosplay black don't care because they want to use it too. As you see it's only immigrants who want to say it.
@beach_boy1141
@beach_boy1141 9 ай бұрын
@@mikejones-wn1sw When I say no one cared I’m saying no one was offended. Majority of the people I’m talking about weren’t immigrants. They were born in America. Also it’s not only immigrants who want to say it. White Americans want to say it too.
@Mai-sx3yf
@Mai-sx3yf Жыл бұрын
Not they shouldn’t why is this even a discussion?
@elliejayjayusa
@elliejayjayusa Жыл бұрын
No. The simply dehumanizes, regardless of the speaker, fyi.
@asabove4373
@asabove4373 Жыл бұрын
No.
@aaronmclaughlin4745
@aaronmclaughlin4745 Жыл бұрын
On the subject of gangsta hip hop, you can't police what someone sings about, but criminal drug use and violence shouldn't play on stations available to children anymore than porn should. I disagree that hip hop is about crime or even needs to mention it.
@dre_withwithout
@dre_withwithout 12 күн бұрын
Is it the weight of the word or the weight of the history that bothers you?
@soullooker
@soullooker 5 ай бұрын
I strongly dislike the word
@taylorjordan2700
@taylorjordan2700 Жыл бұрын
The answer to this question is no
@aaronmclaughlin4745
@aaronmclaughlin4745 Жыл бұрын
The N-Word is about American blackness; it was created in America to be a segregating name. It is still a segregating word to this day. However, the word has two meanings. If you're identifying and born Black, it means "you're like me" because no matter how we intend the word, it applies equally. On the other hand, if you're not Black, it's an insult that means "you're not one of us", because no matter how it's intended it can only be applied unequally.
@blackbutterfly8136
@blackbutterfly8136 6 ай бұрын
Was the word created in America? Please post its origins.
@aaronmclaughlin4745
@aaronmclaughlin4745 6 ай бұрын
@@blackbutterfly8136 the American English form of the word, with its derogatory meaning, originated in America and is first recorded in 1775 but became more widespread by 1830s. In A Treatise on the Intellectual Character and Civil and Political Condition of the Colored People of the United States: and the Prejudice Exercised Towards Them (1837), Hosea Easton wrote that nigger "is an opprobrious term, employed to impose contempt upon [blacks] as an inferior race. . . . The term in itself would be perfectly harmless were it used only to distinguish one class of society from another; but it is not used with that intent. . . . [I]t flows from the fountain of purpose to injure." Easton averred that often the earliest instruction white adults gave to white children prominently featured the word nigger. Adults reprimanded them for being "worse than niggers," for being "ignorant as niggers," for having "no more credit than niggers"; they disciplined them by telling them that unless they behaved they would be carried off by "the old nigger" or made to sit with "niggers" or consigned to the "nigger seat," which was, of course, a place of shame.
@ejakaegypt
@ejakaegypt 10 ай бұрын
Nope
@rohannurse2470
@rohannurse2470 5 ай бұрын
We should see what it’s like not saying it anymore. At least try
@toknow3450
@toknow3450 Жыл бұрын
Nas definitely doesn’t say the N word on his first or his last album 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Neither does common 😂😂😂😂😂😂 I different but the same never sounded so good.
@celticmulato2609
@celticmulato2609 10 ай бұрын
Latino is not a race! Most Latinos are a mix of Native Americans, European and sub Saharan Africans and depending on which country they are from, there are varying degrees of mix of those races genotypicaly. Example, the average Mexican is 3 to 6% Sub Saharan African and Tropical Latinos have higher African ancestry. Basically multigeneration Mulattoes with a little Taino ancestry.
@robinvolpi
@robinvolpi Жыл бұрын
This cohost is..... 😬 I'on know.
@Dominican1923
@Dominican1923 Жыл бұрын
THERE'S BLACK PUERTO RICANS 🇵🇷 PUERTO RICAN AINT A RACE LATINO AINT A RACE YOU CAN BE ANY RACE AND BE LATINO NOBODY EXPLAINED THAT IN THE VIDEO
@Rg11195
@Rg11195 Жыл бұрын
But in anger I’ve heard plenty of blacks people call non blacks the n word
@JZidor
@JZidor Жыл бұрын
So this the grapevine with a light skin host colorism is weird
@kylewhittle6565
@kylewhittle6565 Жыл бұрын
This needs a much more complex discussion. Africans and all black peoples who are not African Americans have no right using the n word. It’s much a racial thing as a cultural thing too.
@dizmop
@dizmop Жыл бұрын
Am I the only person who thinks the term 'People of colour' is racist as it adhears to a white supremecist ideology in that white is the default and everything else is 'coloured' if we live in an world where dark skin was the norm then 'whiteness' would be the person of colour. Have said that, the 'N' word is so problematic because it shouldn't be used by anyone unless they are racist or a self hating, uneducated person of African origin also, you can't reclaim a word that was never ours, it was created by ignorant, racist white people and imposed on us to strip us of our humanity and it's working, doing it's job to this day. Just my opinion
@D_Lux
@D_Lux Жыл бұрын
Rihanna & CB’s situation is no where close to Meg’s situation. If these two events happened around the same time then maybe you’d have an argument. But these situations are literally over a decade apart & one had clear evidence while “the truth” is still coming out after three years for one situation 🫠
@pinkskincanthandlethesunlight
@pinkskincanthandlethesunlight Жыл бұрын
If you're not black, then don't say it to me. If you do there will be consequences
@mikejones-wn1sw
@mikejones-wn1sw 9 ай бұрын
@lizabetx483 You sound redundant. You don't know where nigga came from. It didn't come from negro. It came from niiji. Aka my niiji aka my nigga. Africans are kind lost and the people who say they are african descent. *the word ‘Africa’ was first used by the Romans to describe that part of the Carthaginian Empire which lies in present day Tunisia. When the Romans conquered Carthage in the second century BCE, giving them jurisdiction over most of North Africa
@jckholmes9194
@jckholmes9194 Жыл бұрын
Specifically African American/Black American are the only ones that should have say in this conversation though.
@b1rdwillis584
@b1rdwillis584 9 ай бұрын
Look up original definition... says "liar and thief, lowlife"... nothing about race or color... just "liar and thief, lowlife"... racists use it in ALL other context... free speech, right?.. lol...
@expensiveh0
@expensiveh0 Жыл бұрын
Tbh, The N word is usually used in a negative context. Yes, we do say “my 🥷🏾” but usually it’s used to describe them in a negative way. “🥷🏾 ain’t 💩” “ I can’t stand 🥷🏾’s” “where you 🥷🏾’s from?” Etc. Just pay attention to it more. You will hear that it is usually used negatively. So, no. We shouldn’t even be saying it yet alone other POC.
@djnon-refundablefee9245
@djnon-refundablefee9245 Жыл бұрын
Why is this such as an debate. If you dont identify as black on any paperwork why are you saying the n word why???? People wanna be black when its time to be black. Im tired of it. Everyone (yes them too) should stop saying the n word.
@mikejones-wn1sw
@mikejones-wn1sw 9 ай бұрын
None of you who are not FBA should be saying it. Why do you desire to say it. Very weird especially africans and Latinos.
@garlandhenderson4844
@garlandhenderson4844 10 ай бұрын
Not sure if anyone has touched on this, but I hear folks saying "this hood" and "that hood". I have never seen a cotton field in whatever hood you are speaking of. What about all the Black folks in rural areas of especielly the south? Furtermore, I dont believe East Coast and West Coast artists should have laid clain to the "N" word in their music unless they were from somwhere like Virginia or South Carolina. Texas slaves didnt get word that they were free until 2 years after the Emancipation Proclamation was inked. I mean if we are gonna discuss who can lay claim to the "N" word, lets also talk about why Black Freedom isnt celebrated December 6th everywhere instead of Juneteenth where it should only be in Texas. For a country boy like me, the word ni#@a or ni#@er hits different regardless of where I hear it and who I hear it from. It has not changed much in a lot of southern small towns, because now the white girls have bought into the Black Culture. Mixed babies all over the south, and the white people hate it with a passion.
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