Lmao “Can we curse here?” “Oh yes please, F&$k it up” 😂😂😂 Loved this conversation. Can’t wait for Part 2!!

Started watching this episode with my mother who is dark skin and 54 years, she wept when Queen spoke of her school experience of her teachers having an unprovoked suspicion of her. I am relaying her message that she is awaiting part 2. Thank y’all for this conversation ❤❤

I have watched so many videos talking about colorism, but never ever ever ever have I seen a conversation about colorism that has been so thorough, coherent and on point

Queen and J. are THE BEST to ever do it. Period

Tea w/Queen & J newsletter squad coming thru! Thanks for the intro to the channel and sharing dope stuff with us via email.

love them for citing bell hooks - thats where it begins! more people should read bell - and will learn how these concepts that are now popularized, are in the pages.

I clicked so fast seeing the beautiful Queen and J🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰‼️‼️‼️

As a brown skin person, I felt this conversation wholeheartedly. I recognize that I'm neither dark skin nor light skin but I still have privileges because of my proximity to whiteness. I also benefit from featurism and that I am seen in this world differently. But there is nuance and when I'm near a lighter-skinned black person my position on the social hierarchy shifts.

“They want to believe that it is their own thoughts” you just spoke my thoughts out loud.

Omg! I’m just now finding this. I used to watch Grapevine. This is such a gift 💝

There's a part 2?? YAYYYYYYYY! 👏🏿 My 3 faves having a conversation...I couldn't even ask for anything more🤗 All I need is to watch a sit down with Uchechi as well and this would have made my month! I am always learning from watching conversations with you brilliant minds! Keep up the great work! I'm def. gonna share this vid🙌🏿

Thank you for bringing up a subject that is so taboo in Black culture. You are doing it so elegantly and profoundly.

I miss that intro so much 😭😭🖤

Donavan has a podcast and no one told me???!!!! JUDAS! 😮🫢 I’m subscribed and the notifications are on 💅🏿💅🏿💅🏿

This was a good conversation. It certainly helps to have the introduction into these ladies' lives even after seeing them talk on the Grapevine for years, because it's just relatable. I usually get tired of hearing the patriarchy rhetoric, not because I disagree it's just like going to church every Sunday and hearing the same thing the same way every time, it gets old. But this conversation was much easier to take in, and just listen to. Speaking on hip-hop, I do think it's such a double standard in how we handle the music vs real life. I'm from NC, and was raised with respect and taught to respect people, period. I can't imagine walking around and talking to people the way one does in the music we listen to. I couldn't write a rap with half the nonsense that I hear because it doesn't represent me truly, but I know there's a lot of people out there that are fully represented by the current hip hop culture. But I'll cling to it, because those are my brothers and sisters too, and I'm not a righteous person by any means. I'm no better than the next person, so who am I to call out the song that I was just vibing to. All that to say, good job Donavan and team. Thank you for continuing to put these conversations out there and inching us towards a better future black community.

I truly loved this conversation. Queen & J hit so many points and had me even realize some things. This is such a needed next-level conversation. Deep gratitude for this!

Love Queen and J ❤

Yass! This is the intelluctual conversation that we really need to be having. A reasoned and well thought through look at the root causes of oppression. Thank you.

They are my favorite!!!!!

I love these women!!! ❤

This conversation is so great

She said 🙋🏿‍♀️ “remember us” and it took me out😂😂😂 as a dark skin woman I’ve been curious about what the light skinned black experience had been like in the 2k. Crazy times

This was brilliantly done

It’s systemic around the world though, that’s why it’s so odd that people choose to deny it. In Asia, South America, Africa so I don’t get it you can just Google how Indians and all sorts of people say the same thing. To be fair I didn’t know about it until I was in my 30s. But the access is way different now. I brought it up to my mom who to this day does not believe it affects her life.

I’m Native American/Mexican/Scottish and have always been drawn more to black actors and actresses and music with R/B and real soul music topping my lists. I never really thought about it until recent years when darker actresses have started to get some big important roles in film. Back in the day I can remember some medium to dark female artists. As black artists became more prominent pop culture across America with Whitney and MJ dominating music worldwide female artists and actresses certainly seemed to be medium to light with more European facial features. I’ve noticed in the past 5-10 years darker actresses seem to be in prominent roles at least in the stuff I watch. I hope the shift that I think I’ve seen is real and continues. Great conversation.

I disagree that SWV, Xscape, Brandy, Anita Baker, Chaka Khan, Patti LaBelle, Gladys Knight, Diana Ross, Mary J. Blige. I constantly go back that America picked Fantasia, Jennifer Hudson, Ruben Studdard these singers were hand picked. Whitney Houston. It wasn't until about Alicia Keys that you started seeing lighter singers. Keke Wyatt very vocally talented one of the best but you still have many listed whose career she would not be able to compete with. So, for me talent was omitted from colorism. Today's artists that are being more mixed is bc of the packaged ready personas, because look at how Afro beat is taking over, everyone loves Tems, Wiz Kid, artist like Gunna.

off the intro alone it's a like and subscribe

Will they be releasing new podcast episodes?

I think it's Queen, that said a lot of people who kind of gaslight and dismiss the whole colorism thing are people who feel like when you bring that up it is somehow like substantiating that they had no type of free will to think these thoughts on their own. They don't want to feel like they didn't have control in their own thoughts. That made a lot of sense to me , a lot of people don't want to feel like they're not the captain of their own ship . I have to be honest and I was thinking this whole time when I was listening to this and even prior. I think about this quite a bit cuz I unpacked a lot of the things that I've gone through living in this white supremacist society and country and I do realize as passible according to this society , light brown skin person ,who some people would classify me as light skinned and as a male. Having certain privileges that afforded me to opportunities, even certain respectability, and not being hassled. I even understand to the point where I'm constantly trying to my understanding get with my shadow side , to dismantle these things that I didn't ask for for a better unity and equilibrium of society because we are on this Earth as human it is our divine right to exist and thrive as long as we're all on this Earth. I only have this stance to go off of, to be real while look at myself, while being comfortable with addressing my dark past and how I used to look at things. It could be that as an empath, it's just being able to look at it for what it is. In my family I have heard quite a bit about how a lot of light skin people, specifically in my family on my dad's side , being a creole family ,how a lot of the women in the got with my darker skinned black men family members because they wanted to get with somebody darker, because it was not expected, and rebelled . Of course I'm sure it was attraction an love as well. I'm not saying that it was just solely on rebellion , however when you think about it, it's very true like I can even admit that I was conditioned to settle with somebody lighter damn near White in the way I was brought up being a child from the 90s and growing up in the early 2000s and a lot of what we saw in all portrayals was mixed ,biracial and ambiguous women. To the point where you know a lot of the video vixens were racially ambiguous that's like predominantly all we saw or light skin. There was nothing really up to the imagination that's just clearly what it was. I'm not saying that they didn't show darker skin people because they did but it was always negative connotations. And I think about it like I I knew I was conditioned to see such as one was only attractive but then it's not only until I got older that I got out of this spell . Every bodies story is different but honestly I couldn't be controlled to a certain extent but clearly I was with how I saw my dating preferences and how they need to be reaffirm. All that also too had something to do with my environment I lived in a predominantly white and Hispanic community at the time while I was growing up until it got more diverse and then I moved a few places that got more diverse as I got older. I'm a complete contrast today then I was back in the day. I'm really and honestly only attracted to those who have some color . I figured out Im genuinely attracted naturally to people who are darker skinned , I don't discriminate when it comes to dating tho, I'll date anybody of any skin color, but I have to be honest, I feel naturally attracted those that look closer to what they stereotypically say is black. I I realize what I was going through ,when I was coming up what's as mentioned some type of conditioning to find black people that stare typically who were these things as bad. I have to wonder even that hopefully I'm not fetishizing but I find attracted to to this day based on media. I find myself constantly unpacking these things as am effort to make sure my decision is solely mine. Oddly enough society is also fetishizing darker skin people as sexually more desirable, I hope I'm making sense. But I do feel like anybody without a beautiful soul to them, that's not humble or looking past what they look like and not this specific skin color... that to me allows me to make sure that my head is in the right place because I'm looking to people outside of what they look like only and if they are a good person. Are they humble ?,do they have not only like desirable features to them ,but how they treat others? I think that is a scale of measure for me to tell my head is is in the right place , that I'm going in the right direction when it comes to that. I hope this helps with explaining . I struggled to get through typing this 😂😅. As usual there's a reason why I subscribe to this channel. I just love the honest dialogues, these group of people have. I remember them from the grapevine and I'm just so happy to see them reunite again on this platform. I'm so glad I found them again these are the conversations that genuinely need to happen in its entirety . This speaks to my soul , what appears to healthy people being able to have these conversations and as breaking down these nuances surrounding our communities . I agree we have to be able to work from people who are most disadvantaged and then work our way outer somehow .I guess it could work for some people, I just feel like as long as we're working and we all are in our perspective groups trying to focus on disassociating these isms within our groups ,we can then come together to work out everything else in its entirety. I feel like we will have some leeway but ,I can honestly say I'm not so sure about my generation but I'm always hopeful for the future. Great as usual ❤

I would love to see you have Hope Giselle & AshleeMariePreston on this show 👏🏾🏳️‍⚧️

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Trayvon was about Megan's complexion.

I want to give push back on the Megan not being darkskin. My mother is about the same complexion as Meg and even had a "mixed" texture hair. My Grandmother is my complexion we are more of the Grace Jones and in the summer time Alec Wek skin tones and in my family they would always tell her she looks like my grandma as is if it was to minimize her obvious apparent "mixed" racial features. Megan's mother was lighter like the one in the white shirt so, many times ppl might have referenced her as darkskin. I have a friend that is a shade or to darker than Megan and ppl do reference her as light skin as she says. I never heard it. However, going back to my mother she is my grandfather's twin T. Ain't know if ands buts or maybes, she looks so, much like my Grandfather's side of the family that my Grandfather's younger sister who again is around the Tarji, Megan and Angela Bassett complexions, my mother and aunt, if you saw a picture of both of them you would think they are twins. My Grandfather again was light probably even a shade lighter then the one in the yt shirt. Not so, much that he can pass for yt like his grandma was but light enough where if he said he was Cherokee or even Puerto Rican it would not be questioned. However, my mother is light enough to work in banks and especially if you are from countries outside of America, that work in the bank statement means something. It means that she is the paper bag complexion and can get corporate jobs however, that doesn't mean she could climb the ladder easy when she got there. So, we cannot say that Megan of women that color don't exp

Megan passes the brown paper bag test

They’re nurses

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