Can Weighted Vests Help You Jump Higher?

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Isaiah Rivera

Isaiah Rivera

Ай бұрын

Today we cover the topic of practicing jumps with external resistance, and in particular the effectiveness of doing approach jumps with weighted vests.
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@cortidavide
@cortidavide Ай бұрын
Ideas for next episodes: 1. How lean should you be? 2. Correlation between off vert and max vertical 3. Why is getting stronger progressively less beneficial? 4. Vertical measurement and center of mass manipulation (vertec vs force plates reliability) 5. Are hamstrings important for 2 foot jumpers? 6. The importance of proprioception and pre contraction 7. What is rythm, how to measure it and how it affects performance
@samratkc457
@samratkc457 Ай бұрын
00:01 Weighted vests can potentially help in improving jumping ability. 02:07 Weighted vests may not be ideal for sprinting or upright sprinting due to potential impact on ground reaction forces 04:20 Understanding ground reaction force, rate of force development, and impulse in relation to jump height and sprinting. 06:18 Weighted vests affect jumping performance based on body weight 08:18 Weighted vests can impact jump performance 10:16 Weighted vests can impact jump height due to central mass and mechanics changes 12:17 Weighted vests for jumping require caution and specific training. 14:10 Training athletes for explosive movements 16:16 Weighted vests can improve jump performance and help with load management. 18:04 Importance of measuring jumps for athletes 19:44 Training for season openers isn't just about speed improvement
@dennisrobinson8008
@dennisrobinson8008 Ай бұрын
That vest would affect your ability to create that vertical force in sprinting.
@adragonro
@adragonro Ай бұрын
Thu!❤
@sobhannouri
@sobhannouri Ай бұрын
Where are training sessions?? Get em back they were inspiring 💪🏼
@ranchery
@ranchery Ай бұрын
Austin always looks like a vampire who jumps really high
@JohnEvans
@JohnEvans Ай бұрын
That’s the color grade and weird lighting. It gets better half way through
@dennisrobinson8008
@dennisrobinson8008 Ай бұрын
So in boxing with the light hand weights ( 2-5lb ) one might think it will slow you down or doesn't help, but what it does is gives the user a feeling of more control. You feel more accurate and powerful without the weights. With this increase in the feeling of control speed comes easier and with less thought. The weighted vest training should do similar on your feet and running and jumping. "Too heavy" of a vest would likely mess up the bio mechanics. But 2-10% of body weight could prove to be very useful. It could simulate training at a heavier body weight and you lose the "fat" and keep all the strength, so you should have more control and force development should be more thoughtless without the extra weight.
@energyzer_bunny1913
@energyzer_bunny1913 Ай бұрын
I personally use weight vests for potentitation purposes. I'll do say 5-7 jumps with the vest on at the start of a session, then take it off for the rest of it. I also don't go heavier than 10-12lbs.
@itsb_rose
@itsb_rose Ай бұрын
Love these podcasts!
@bendunksdpt
@bendunksdpt Ай бұрын
Topics: I want to see ATG get put on blast and why most of their stuff won't do much, if anything for athletic performance or even knee pain. I'd love a comparison between 1 foot, 2 foot, and high jump training. A podcast on your thoughts on stretching and its positive and negatives effects would also be cool, especially talking about its effects at the tendon level bc I have seen mixed papers about that.
@lumberjacklucci3018
@lumberjacklucci3018 29 күн бұрын
I feel like at most you could say is that ATG wouldn’t improve a trained athlete’s vertical as well as a THP program. With that said I do think their knee rehab and core injury prevention philosophy is sound. I’m curious as to why you think it won’t do much to help.
@bendunksdpt
@bendunksdpt 29 күн бұрын
@@lumberjacklucci3018 tib raises are a joke. Like a freaking joke. Tib raises only have a place in neurologically impaired populations with actual DF weakness lol. ATG split squats are one of the worse exercises you can do for jumpers knee or PFP, way too much compression, not to mention the loading isnt higher enough to illicit any tendon or really even quad adaptation. It's just going to cause pain. Deep squats and nordics are fine, but you cant really deep squat if you have PT so you'll have to adjust the ROM. Bwd sled drags are fine for a warmup. Sissy squats are okay, but again they are really going to piss off a tendon bc it's so much compression. In a healthy athlete they're a decent accessory exercise at best, though they really just target the quads and that's it. Reverse squats are also kind of a joke. HF strains happen at long muscle lengths, which reverse squats do not train and they aren't even a "functional" exercise either. Not horrendous tho. Their KOT are an absolute joke tho. You will in no way shape or form stimulate any calf adaptation from bodyweight and KB calf raises. Your soleus is INSANELY strong. People that get on ATG start to feel good because they stop doing what hurts and stop actually loading their body in any meaningful way. Then they get back to playing their sport and get frickin railed lol. I've known guys that will do "bulletproof" exercises for 8 weeks for their jumpers knee, then try to return to jumping just for it to come right back. There's even a rumor in the dunk community of some guys doing ATG and GETTING knee pain but that's unconfirmed. They have almost zero variety with exercises, gets stale really quickly. Gotta be able to periodize programming throughout the year and add variety if you want to prevent accommodation. Jump balance is a stupid frickin concept. You end up just becoming average at all 4 plants instead of really good at 1 or 2. They dont do any real power or plyo work or surf the F-V curve that im aware of besides to show off their "pain free bulletproof knees" with some SL or alternated bounding. Jumping off a 50in ladder and landing in a deep squat to a reveres nordic isnt impressive at all, it just dissipates the forces more so there's less load at the knee, no proof of "bulletproofing." They overdo the stretching, athletes don't have to be able to do the splits or reach these extreme ranges of motion. That just ends up messing up the length-tension relationship of the sarcomeres and they can't produce force as well because they lack optimal overlap with the actin and myosin. This isnt to say you shouldn't be mobile and be flexible, but they take it too far lol and that's why some guys start jumping lower. Very little empirical evidence for anything they do too, and most of the studies they cite seem to be 40 years old. The fact that they would train a 70 year old basically the same way as a 20 year old elite athlete is insane and will absolutely under dose the athlete. People that "see gains" on ATG likely just see it from jumping more and doing a little bit of the lifting and would have probably seen gains with any program regardless. Benny P is a scientologist, which is a literally classified as cult in some countries and the main goal of it is just to make money (not joking, their leader is quoted as saying that lol I did a little digging one day). Im all for health and wellness and getting people moving, but I am completely against spreading bad training advice, especially when your target audience is kids trying to get more athletic and are vulnerable to falling for the trap. They are CERTAINLY not an athletic performance program, and they're barely a rehab program, but it suits more middle aged people than actual athletes who want to return to sport. I probably missed some things and maybe they have changed a few things by now. But there's your lecture for the day haha
@BrodieStephens.
@BrodieStephens. 29 күн бұрын
​@@bendunksdpt this comment could be a video of its own lol
@bendunksdpt
@bendunksdpt 28 күн бұрын
@@BrodieStephens. Im not a big enough creator to be making rant vids like that just yet 😂😭
@andylee9322
@andylee9322 Ай бұрын
Can we have an uncut jump session? It'd be interesting to see how seriously you guys take time in between jumps versus "oh i just feel good now" and what increasing intensity actually looks like between the start of the session and the peak of it
@aceyyyyyy
@aceyyyyyy Ай бұрын
isaiah we need to see you dunking the medicine balls like chris staples, i bet you could probably dunk with a 30 pound ball
@user3di5etfwwi
@user3di5etfwwi Ай бұрын
I would really like to see a video on one foot jumping and how to train it
@cortidavide
@cortidavide Ай бұрын
"We don't like edging"💀
@QuangNguyen-vf3nz
@QuangNguyen-vf3nz Ай бұрын
Bros chose the dark side 💀
@chadwickk2709
@chadwickk2709 Ай бұрын
Why and how overtraining occurs when you’re young and how it leads to injury and that would lead into why/how it’s important to know your body and plan out training around sports in order to continually progress.
@davidAMDX
@davidAMDX Ай бұрын
Manifested this topic lmao. I don’t got access to heavyweights at all. All ive got is a adjustable weight vest. I can dunk already but im not elastic at all. I can dunk standing and off a dropstep pretty fine. But i fear the full approach to even figure out my max vertical. Isiahs podcast yesterday where you guys mentioned your bodyfats % percentage put it all into perspective to me. Im 18% bodyfat at 6’1 210lbs, id imagine id feel like a feather if i dropped 20lbs. Like yall always say “fat dont fly”. I had a thought that if i just attempted dunking with a 20lbs vest on for a week or two. Jumping without out it will feel like im floating. But i got a case of jumpers knee so ive been doubting its worth it. So this vid couldnt of dropped at a better time.
@bartomiejkosiorek6449
@bartomiejkosiorek6449 29 күн бұрын
Balistic training and sprinting topic, please😊
@andrewx222
@andrewx222 Ай бұрын
How about weighted sled pulls where you wear a harness, seen Usain Bolt and the sprint team of Jamaica use them
@DScottups
@DScottups Ай бұрын
Wouldn’t depth jumps with weighted vest actually be the best use? It would force you to Increase the speed and force you have too push faster and harder to have the same quick ground reaction time and it would speed up the fall also
@dennisrobinson8008
@dennisrobinson8008 Ай бұрын
It should help. For example losing body fat and maintaining your strength level there are documented gains in sprint speed and vertical. The NFL did a study. A drop of 2% bodyfat on a 215lb player was worth .07 seconds in the 40. I think to do thr vest correctly itll be 3 to 10% tops of bodyweight so the biomechanics aren't greatly affected.
@adamyuan6882
@adamyuan6882 Ай бұрын
I’ve got a question about how John likes to mention the advantages of Isaiah’s long femurs vs an equally strong short guy with shorter femurs. How exactly does this work? If force at the hip is equal, then the torque is equivalent assuming similar muscle insertions (T = fd). Also assuming the longer lever (Isaiah’s thigh) has a greater momentum of inertia then… what? Decreased angular acceleration (T = Ia)? I’m overall not sure how they affect forces at the knee then into the ground. Also with what you’ve said in previous videos, why are the long femurs a disadvantage in squats yet an advantage in jumping? A more general question would be how do anatomical differences affect training and athletic performance? Would love to hear the answer to any of these questions!
@marionmatthias5608
@marionmatthias5608 Ай бұрын
Isaiah thanks for trying to ensure that the terminology is understood by the non professionals.
@bendunksdpt
@bendunksdpt Ай бұрын
I used to be anti-weighted vest lol but after reading some stuff I'm starting to come around to the idea that they may have some good potentiating effects when used in the one warmup. I'd love to experiment with using like a 20lb weighted vest (given that it doesnt swing around a lot) during a typical jumping warmup, maybe do like 5-10 max jumps with it on, then take it off and finish the session and see if I notice a meaningful change above what I would normally jump without the vest. Theoretically, with the self intensifying effect of jumping, doing this over a period of a few weeks might actually induce a more permanent change and increase your vert. Idk tho just a thought haha
@comikz6047
@comikz6047 Ай бұрын
I’ve always was curious if this could help
@RealParadox85
@RealParadox85 Ай бұрын
i have used it since early 00s for basketball. it will help with explosive movements in bball, driving, crossovers, layups and jumping. Not good for sprints.
@Eliasmihai24
@Eliasmihai24 Ай бұрын
Yo isaiah, i used to jump always right left on my two foot jumps and know there is a big different in muscle mass and Definition on my right leg.How did you manage such deficits, do i just have to do more left right jumps????????
@rei-ho4wy
@rei-ho4wy 28 күн бұрын
LET MY MAN AUSTIN SPEAK!
@mantaspilipuitis6634
@mantaspilipuitis6634 Ай бұрын
What do you think about reducing water weight to jump higher? Cutting salt intake, taking sauna, etc.
@hadleyhong2454
@hadleyhong2454 Ай бұрын
does sprinting increase vertical fast
@tommyprogress
@tommyprogress Ай бұрын
Do a podcast on LTAD/how one would theoretically reach their genetic potential from birth to adulthood
@naveedasghar6040
@naveedasghar6040 Ай бұрын
Fastest way to fix one foot jumping mechanics!
@jarretbristol
@jarretbristol Ай бұрын
episode ideas - how to get protein while in a caloric deficit
@Jason__Jason
@Jason__Jason Ай бұрын
If weighted vests flatten the curve why not sprinters use anti gravity sprinting maxhine to lighten the weigjt and get the curve to be even thinner for specific volume
@hanjiplayer
@hanjiplayer Ай бұрын
4:57 “Impulse is important because it is directly correlated with jump height” do you guys have a study you can cite corroborating this?
@IsaiahRivera1
@IsaiahRivera1 22 күн бұрын
Yes, it’s called Sir Isaac Newton 😂 It’s hard to corroborate things that are factual haha
@hanjiplayer
@hanjiplayer 22 күн бұрын
@@IsaiahRivera1 jump height is directly correlated with initial velocity at takeoff irregardless of mass, according to newton. I wouldnt be surprised if impulse in respect to human mechanics is directly correlated with jump height but it looks like you just made that up?
@journeyisending
@journeyisending Ай бұрын
Isiah switch to volleyball...your jump is crazy..
@tahirsechseins
@tahirsechseins Ай бұрын
Will sprinting downhill make you faster or jump higher?
@bangalykaba1154
@bangalykaba1154 Ай бұрын
I’ll speak to sprinting, the reason you would sprint downhill is to reduce ground contact time, while going your max speed or faster. The issue is you need to maintain a similar form to when you run on a flat surface, however a lot of the time when people go down hill their form changes, so it doesn’t really transfer. If you went downhill on a shallow enough slope so that you could keep your mechanics, it should work. But, there’s other ways to do that that are less risky.
@dennisrobinson8008
@dennisrobinson8008 Ай бұрын
Overspend training is used.
@gostek5622
@gostek5622 Ай бұрын
I think tatum dunked in armor. With heavy vest
@nolanmcgilvrey1619
@nolanmcgilvrey1619 Ай бұрын
You guys should Measure femur and tibia length.
@user-yy5wj8dv3o
@user-yy5wj8dv3o Ай бұрын
What are austin thinking 😂
@Rizzardo-silva
@Rizzardo-silva Ай бұрын
Not going to lie being a 5’9 16yrs with 38inch i would rather stick without weighted vest😅
@cortidavide
@cortidavide Ай бұрын
I think weighted vests could literally not exist and it would not make any difference in the world whatsoever, completely useless training tool unless you're doing calisthenics, and even there you can still use other options
@RealParadox85
@RealParadox85 Ай бұрын
False. Weighted vests only thing that helped me. And it makes you more explosive. Train with it 5 mins and take it off, you are immediately more explosive. It's literally resistance training with like 10% of my body weight at maximum speed. As useful as plyos + lifting program? No. But for basketball movements, driving, and layups and jumping? Use it consistently, you will see progress.
@cortidavide
@cortidavide Ай бұрын
​@@RealParadox85If weighted vests are the only thing that helped, you definitely were doing something wrong in other areas
@IsaiahRivera1
@IsaiahRivera1 Ай бұрын
Time and place for everything! It’s a potential tool
@aceyyyyyy
@aceyyyyyy Ай бұрын
Weighted vest = great way to hurt back and make urself shorter
@cortidavide
@cortidavide Ай бұрын
​​@@IsaiahRivera1Yeah but every tool has a different level of potential, I don't think max approach jumps are possible with a weighted vest on, and even if they were, it would change the dynamics of the movement so much that I wouldn't even call it specific. Max approach jumps are the most straightforward/specific thing possible; I really don't see how adding weight to it would benefit an athlete. I think that the more specific the exercise gets, the less variation you're afforded to implement
@CrackerBarrelkid555
@CrackerBarrelkid555 Ай бұрын
Why yall so close
@IsaiahRivera1
@IsaiahRivera1 Ай бұрын
We like the warmth
@journeyisending
@journeyisending Ай бұрын
is p diddy coming
@aidenhayesss14
@aidenhayesss14 Ай бұрын
first
@googlefaps5883
@googlefaps5883 Ай бұрын
Nice to see a mention of assisted resistance. I’ll be waiting for that video 😂 Edit; a video about genetics would be great. Also one specifically addressing periodisation. Going into conjugate. And what u do block by block to make one phase potentiate the other
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